The Rise And Fall Of Daniel Murphy
When the Mets called Daniel Murphy up on August 2, 2008, he had played just one game above Double-A and spent just two-thirds of a season above A-Ball. It didn't seem to matter much, as Murphy hit .313/.397/.473 with a wOBA of .373 and .9 WAR in just 151 plate appearances. A third-baseman in the minors, Murphy looked a bit clumsy in left field but his defense still rated above average by UZR and +/-.
Prior to his late-season stint with the big club, Murphy wasn't an especially well-regarded prospect in the Mets' organization. John Sickels of MinorLeagueBall.com considered him the 18th best prospect in the system, grading him out at a C and placing him between the not-quite-phenomenal Hector Pellot and Ezequiel Carrera. Nevertheless, Murphy was given a chance to showcase his wares and he made an impression on everyone with his work ethic, his business-like approach to the game, and, most importantly, his seeming ability to actually perform baseball-related tasks competently.
Despite his rapid assimilation into big league life, the red flags were there if you knew where to look. That he had no high-minors experience meant he probably hadn't seen the depth and breadth of breaking balls he would do battle with in the majors. This inexperience didn't seem to affect him much in the final two months of the 2008 season, but the list of middling hitters who have looked like big leaguers for two months is as long as it is unspectacular. The bigger concern about Murphy's early success is that he did so with a line drive rate that seemed, frankly, unsustainable. His BABIP was an unusually high .382, but it appeared to be realistically buttressed by his 30.8% line drive rate. Unfortunately for Murphy, players who can sustain that type of liner rate for a full season are seldom seen; the highest full-season mark since 2006 was Freddy Sanchez's 27.5% that year (FanGraphs will let you go back further, but I doubt you'll find more than a scant few -- if any -- who have exceeded 30%).
Given the confluence of Murphy's luck-aided 2008 and the lack of any better readily-available options, the Mets went with Murphy as their starting left-fielder to begin the 2009 season. His defense looked promising early on, and his bat continued to hold up the lofty expectations placed upon it as Murphy proceeded to hit .324/.373/.800 in April, buoyed by a .339 BABIP. Things fell apart quickly in May, though, as Murphy's slash line plummeted to .176/.278/.353, a larger set of fielding data seemed to expose his defensive maladroitness in left field, and the arrival -- and surprising efficacy -- of 40-year-old Gary Sheffield meant fewer starts for the struggling Irishman.
Carlos Delgado's injury in mid-May facilitated a move for Murpy to first base, whose unfamiliarity with the position has nevertheless yielded credible defensive results. Murphy seems far more comfortable at first than he ever did in left, and UZR, notwithstanding the inherent wonkiness of evaluating range at first base, seems to concur with our observations. Offensively, the positional change of scenery has done little for Murphy's impotent bat, which has continued to putter along at sub-replacement levels. He hit .240/.298/.320 in June and .250/.323/.393 in July, and has thus far hit .260/.283/.360 in August. The bad news gets a little bit worse because, while Murphy's offense seems to have plateaued right at the margins of ineptness, his position-relative performance has tumbled even further down the tubes since offense is generally a little easier to find at first base than in left field and the defensive requirements to play the position are a tad lower. The good news, I suppose, is that Murphy's defensive aptitude at the position (compared to left field) probably neutralizes the aforementioned negative positional adjustments.
At this point the Mets have a few options with Murphy. His value would be highest as a second-baseman, but considering how bad he was in left field there's little reason to believe he'd be even serviceable in the middle infield. Further, Luis Castillo is entrenched at second for the next two-plus years, and has been surprisingly decent this season regardless. Murphy played mostly third base in the minors, and with David Wright out for the next two weeks (and hopefully longer), the Mets could move Murphy to third base for a while and see how he fares. At the very least, it doesn't make any less sense than playing Fernando Tatis there in Wright's absence, and any success at the hot corner can only improve Murphy's value to the Mets as a role player or as trade bait.
The last reasonable option, assuming the Mets hold onto Murphy through this offseason, is to start him at Triple-A in 2010 and see if he can improve as a hitter. His defense might be passable, but if he can provide neither league-average power nor plate discipline then he doesn't have much of a future as a big leaguer, with the Mets or anyone else. Quite simply, first-basemen and corner outfielders either have to hit or be ridiculously good at defense (for the latter, see: Chavez, Endy). Right now, Murphy is neither of those things, so he either has to move to a position where his bat will be less of a liability or improve his offense or defense (or both) enough to be a credible utility player. I don't know if I'm especially sanguine about any of those things happening, but for now I would probably move Murphy to third base for as long as Wright is on the shelf and then hope he learns a thing or two in Winter ball. They can then revisit this whole thing in Spring Training and figure out where, and if, Murphy fits into the Mets' plans.
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good post
I have one question, though: Who is the first baseman next year? Resign Delgado to an incentive laden contract?
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
I doubt they re-sign him
Maybe Evans?
by The 'Ropolitans on Aug 17, 2009 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions
hmm.
“he probably hadn’t seen the depth and breadth of breaking balls he would do battle with in the majors. This inexperience didn’t seem to affect him much in the final two months of the 2008 season, but the list of middling hitters who have looked like big leaguers for two months is as long as it is unspectacular.”
coughcoughjefffrancouercoughcough
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
i don't know
Francoeur can still hit (BABIP Inflated warning) ok, (.288/.326/.466 since joining us, and 129 PA’s), but he is never going to walk, and he didn’t really in the minors (89 in 5 seasons, and 13 were intentional.)
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
by firejerrynow on Aug 17, 2009 7:39 AM EDT up reply actions
He doesn't have to walk, to be a decent player
I don’t really care, but I get the feeling you guys don’t really like Frency over here :)
Still, the fact is that he’s had two 3 WAR seasons already in his young career based on having a great arm and being able to generate some decent power. He may continue to frustrate by swinging at some awful pitchs, but he’s one of those players that is better than he looks (obviously not in the last 1 and 1/2 before joining the Mets).
F*** Billy Beane... actually, I kinda like Holliday
by vivaelpujols on Aug 17, 2009 8:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Personally I hope
The Mets call up Evans to replace Wright, so they can platoon him and Murph. Wait? What’s that? They called up Andy Green? A career .189/.280/.265 hitter? YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
yeah,
it does not make much sense. The only explanation I can come up with is that Cora is not available and might head to the DL soon.
DL count: 11
with Cora 12.
SHUT DOWN JOHAN
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
by firejerrynow on Aug 17, 2009 8:24 AM EDT up reply actions
I have an idea
trade BB-Rod. Make Socks and Feliciano the relief aces (liek Orosco adn McDowell). If you can resign Wags and/or Putz cheaply, do it. But try to get a corner outfielder bat or first baseman or #2 or #3 starter for BB-Rod.
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
stokes...
isn’t a relief ace by any stretch of the imagination.
and i’m sure there are tons of teams lining up to take frankie and his contract…
by firejerrymanuel on Aug 18, 2009 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
wait a minute Eric
most importantly, his seeming ability to actually perform baseball-related tasks competently.
The above was included in an otherwise fine post. Since when does the Mets management take competence in baseball-related tasks into account when valuing players?
Somehow, a chain of events unfolded that put Steve Phillips in a professional broadcast booth Sunday night so he could rip Carlos Beltran. Try to explain that in any other terms.
Forgive this out-of-context question
but when exactly is the draft signing deadline? When can we hear back about Matz and crew?
second base?
all good points of course, but murph has been a natural infielder his whole career and had just asked to be moved from 3B to 2B in the minors since he was being blocked by wright for a decade.
considering the fast adjustments he’s made to playing first in a pinch, how do we know he won’t make progress at second if given the chance?
We don't
But competence at first base in no way implies competence at a middle infield position. The other issue is that Castillo is playing second for the foreseeable future, and he’s the better hitter of the two right now anyway.
At least for the rest of this year
Who cares whose the better hitter. If anything, that seems like even more reason to try Murphy at 2B now rather than next year. I thought it was a bad idea to pair him with Delgado on the right side going into the year, assuming the team would be competitive and such. But right now there’s no reason not to try these kinds of experiments that could pay off next year. Murphy doesn’t look ready to be handed an every day job, but the more positions he can play, the more useful he’ll be either way, and at worst, it couldn’t hurt to get Luis some rest down the stretch this year and give his knees an extra month or so of rest before next Spring. If Murph’s a butcher at second, no loss this year, and gaining extra information at no cost is never a bad thing, even if you don’t learn anything particularly helpful. And if anything, it’ll only get the Mets that much closer to Bryce Harper.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Mark Himmelstein on Aug 17, 2009 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions
right
but 2B is the kid’s preferred position. going from infield to outfield back to infield suggests that he’s capable of learning a position he isn’t used to playing at all, and would have no problem with learning to man second.
i guess the argument really is, why is he even up in the majors then? it seems like the no brainer move would be to keep him in the minors and let him play second for 2 years and bring him up when luis leaves.
Eh?
Did Murphy ever say that second base was his preference? Please provide a link if so. Regardless, he’s not going to be playing second for the Mets in the near future.
I agree that he should be back in the minors at some position, or playing third in Wright’s absence.
by Eric Simon on Aug 17, 2009 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
But he sucked in the outfield...
So I’d hardly use that as an example of his ability to learn a new position. I’d also scrap the idea that 2nd is the kid’s preferred position, as the first time he ever played there was in Arizona last fall.
"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green
by Stephen Schmidt on Aug 17, 2009 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
he asked to be moved to second
just because he didn’t get to play there for any amount of time isn’t his fault. the organization bounces him around with no regard to development.
I'm pretty sure you're incorrect.
He was pretty clear last fall that the Mets had asked him to play 2nd in the fall league…Murphy was pretty willing to play anywhere as long as he got to play.
"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green
by Stephen Schmidt on Aug 17, 2009 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually I think he's right
He asked to switch from 3B to 2B last year while still a B-Met.
by TheBigStapler on Aug 17, 2009 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Murphy's Defense
He simply hasn’t played enough innings at any position to make an overarching qualitative judgment about his defense. The are two bits of useful information that one may glean from his play in the field, however — he tends to make errors and has displayed above average range at each position. To label him a “bad defender” and relegate him exclusively to non-premium positions are two of many failings attributed to the Mets in 2009.
I really wish the rest of you would give Murphy the benefit of the doubt, because much of the defensive analysis has been skewed by the memory of three ugly looking plays from the first six weeks of the season. I expect the Amazin’ Avenue community to be less reactionary and more judicious when it comes to these kinds of things, but for whatever reason, the subject Murphy’s defense evokes a Joel Sherman-esque evaluation.
I think, defensively, a lot of us here are willing to give Murphy the benefit of the doubt
The consensus here when the Mets ended the LF “experiment” was that Murphy had shown plus range but that a lot of people’s opinions of his defensive value was skewed by the fact that he had made a few ugly plays, and the fact that he never “looked comfortable” in the outfield. I think we’ve been much less inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt with regard to his hitting, as Eric alluded to in the original post with his observation that Murphy’s LD% after his callup last year was unsustainable.
More than anything else, I don’t think people are particularly disappointed in Murphy himself for not developing into a 25-HR hitter this year (hey, he is what he is, and he could still be a useful player if used appropriately), so much as we’re angry at the team for failing to recognize the risk (a risk many people here recognized) of assuming that Murphy might not have the bat to hold down a starting role in a position where offense is at a premium. (And continue to be frustrated by the fact that the team still doesn’t seem to recognize this fact.) But because Murphy is the one out there grittily OBPing .312, rather than Omar or Jerry, he’s the one who becomes a target for that frustration.
I think people also see him as emblematic of the front office’s inability to evaluate small sample sizes of data properly. (See also: Santos, Omir.)
re: santos
they traded castro because he’s perpetually hurt. if you really think they thought santos was the truth, then you’re fooling yourself.
by firejerrymanuel on Aug 18, 2009 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
See Sam's (I think, or maybe it was Eric or James) thing about the rock in right field
A good player who’s often hurt and only gets 300 PA is still more valuable than a crappy player who is always healthy and gives you 600 PA.
This assumption that Murphy has "plus range" in LF
seems to me to be entirely due to not properly evaluating small sample sizes of data.
You don't cheer for the Mets. You drink for the Mets.
OK, that's true
He hadn’t played enough time in left for his UZR to really become stable and predictive, but then there wasn’t anything about his range that suggested he would be a bad left fielder either, it was just that people’s opinions were so swayed by those couple of really ugly plays.
murphy
I believe Murphy will become a 300 hitter when he learns how to recognize different pitches,and he is learning how to play first base and doing a pretty good job.
Why did you post the same basic thing twice?
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
I was going to say:
Why focus on the posting error rather than on the premise by asking why Gerard thinks Murphy will become a .300 hitter. But then I realized the problem here – “a .300 hitter” is still not a tremendously good benchmark, especially for a 1B. Are we talking about a .300 hitter who OBPs .385 and slugs .550? Or are we talking about a .300 hitter who OBPs .320 and slugs .425? There’s (obviously) a massive difference in value between the two, and even if Murphy does develop into a .300 hitter, I don’t see anything to lead me to believe he’s going to be a high OBP guy or hit for a lot of power.
murphy
murphy was loved by scouts and uniformly praised for his hitting ability. keith law was confident in him being a very capable platoon bat.
he’s still has a fine k:bb ratio, showing he isn’t completely overmatched. and he never even got to finish a year at AA, let alone AAA. writing off his hitting ability based on this season, at age 24, is incredibly foolish.
also, for the record, sickels is a complete and total joke of a “prospect guru.” he does NOTHING other than look at stats. he is a nobody. he talks to no scouts. he sees no games. please stop citing him as an authority. he’s a joke.
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