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San Francisco Giants at New York Mets, Aug 17, 2009 7:10 PM EDT




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Livan Hernandez

#61 / Pitcher / New York Mets

6-2

245

R

R

Feb 20, 1975



W-L G GS CG SHO SV BS IP H R ER HR BB K ERA WHIP
2009 - Livan Hernandez 7-7 23 22 1 0 0 0 129.2 153 77 76 15 50 74 5.28 1.57


Joe Martinez

#49 / Pitcher / San Francisco Giants

6-2

195

L

R

Feb 26, 2008



W-L G GS CG SHO SV BS IP H R ER HR BB K ERA WHIP
2009 - Joe Martinez 2-1 4 2 0 0 0 0 12.0 18 9 8 0 4 8 6.00 1.83

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This really is a bad team.

by TheBigStapler on Aug 17, 2009 6:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Do I have to watch?

I don’t wanna watch anymore.

"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."

by Evan_S on Aug 17, 2009 6:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Sigh

I think you do, actually.

by TheBigStapler on Aug 17, 2009 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Andy Green

played in the Gulf Coast League part of this season?

Jesus, this may be a new 2009 low

"Solo homers usually come with no one on base." -Ralph Kiner

by metsguy234 on Aug 17, 2009 6:41 PM EDT reply actions  

every day is a 2009 low

each day is better than the next here

by KeithsMoustache on Aug 17, 2009 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

BRING UP NELFI ZAPATA!!!

"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."

by Evan_S on Aug 17, 2009 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

frenchy= new leader?

lololol

"Solo homers usually come with no one on base." -Ralph Kiner

by metsguy234 on Aug 17, 2009 6:42 PM EDT reply actions  

i'll give them he's a good clubhouse guy

they players seem to like him, performance notwithstanding… but im pretty sure wright is gonna keep that title whenever he’s on the field. really though, with the group they’re fielding tonight, who else would you call the leader?

by KeithsMoustache on Aug 17, 2009 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

cora?

"Solo homers usually come with no one on base." -Ralph Kiner

by metsguy234 on Aug 17, 2009 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

im hearing he may be headed to the DL though

"Solo homers usually come with no one on base." -Ralph Kiner

by metsguy234 on Aug 17, 2009 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

well out of tonights lineup

i guess it would be frenchy, out of the whole team though, i dont really think so

"Solo homers usually come with no one on base." -Ralph Kiner

by metsguy234 on Aug 17, 2009 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

d say that Sheffield is the leader. In the absence of earned trust, you default to the oldest guy that can still beat you up.

by TheBigStapler on Aug 17, 2009 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

well that goes without saying

he’s like a substitute leader until a real one shows up again

by KeithsMoustache on Aug 17, 2009 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

since Joe Martinez is only one and a half years old

was that picture taken when he was exiting his mother’s womb?

by keepcoolbutcare on Aug 17, 2009 6:45 PM EDT reply actions  

our lineup sucks

"Solo homers usually come with no one on base." -Ralph Kiner

by metsguy234 on Aug 17, 2009 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes, it doesn't really matter at this point

i just think francoeur makes a little more sense, since he actually hits home runs sometimes

by englishgrey on Aug 17, 2009 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

cleanup guy is supposed to be able to drive guys in

frenchy doesn’t get on base enough to be an effective cleanup man

"Solo homers usually come with no one on base." -Ralph Kiner

by metsguy234 on Aug 17, 2009 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

murphy .312 frenchy .296

^ on base percentages for both

It really should be Sheffield though when hes playing

"Solo homers usually come with no one on base." -Ralph Kiner

by metsguy234 on Aug 17, 2009 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

yea, but francoeur has an OPS of .798 since joining the mets

probably won’t last, but that’s better than murphy’s been hitting

by englishgrey on Aug 17, 2009 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

i called jerry

and asked him to have socks bat cleanup and play first, but no such luck

"Solo homers usually come with no one on base." -Ralph Kiner

by metsguy234 on Aug 17, 2009 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's funny

because the Mets don’t have any

"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."

by Evan_S on Aug 17, 2009 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

This lineup

would barely compete in AAA.

"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."

by Evan_S on Aug 17, 2009 6:53 PM EDT reply actions  

Where the hell is Pagan?

He’s the only player on this team who has actually hit in the last month.

by Steeeve on Aug 17, 2009 6:55 PM EDT reply actions  

sully has been ok

i dont mind him getting some play time.

by KeithsMoustache on Aug 17, 2009 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is anybody else

pumped for tomorrow’s pitching match up.Ollie vs Lowe 2.They both pretty muched the same last time.

by Jadden Hopkins on Aug 17, 2009 6:58 PM EDT reply actions  

put your glasses on jerry

"Solo homers usually come with no one on base." -Ralph Kiner

by metsguy234 on Aug 17, 2009 6:59 PM EDT reply actions  

quote of the year?

“I see a salad in his future”

"Solo homers usually come with no one on base." -Ralph Kiner

by metsguy234 on Aug 17, 2009 7:00 PM EDT reply actions  

-Chris Carlin

"Solo homers usually come with no one on base." -Ralph Kiner

by metsguy234 on Aug 17, 2009 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

none of them are

"Solo homers usually come with no one on base." -Ralph Kiner

by metsguy234 on Aug 17, 2009 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

it was only for the weekend

"Solo homers usually come with no one on base." -Ralph Kiner

by metsguy234 on Aug 17, 2009 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

thank god for that

so ugly

"I reject your reality and substitute my own"
-Adam Savage

by blueandorange4life on Aug 17, 2009 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

first two men on

looks like another long outing for livan

by englishgrey on Aug 17, 2009 7:14 PM EDT reply actions  

evening all

how’s life in AA land?

"I reject your reality and substitute my own"
-Adam Savage

by blueandorange4life on Aug 17, 2009 7:15 PM EDT reply actions  

cot's baseball contracts pages states that liven will earn

“$1M in performance bonuses based on starts, innings, games.” anyone have any idea what triggers these bonuses? cause if they haven’t been met yet, the mets should release livan to save some cash.

by englishgrey on Aug 17, 2009 7:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Nice double play by A-Hern

"I reject your reality and substitute my own"
-Adam Savage

by blueandorange4life on Aug 17, 2009 7:18 PM EDT reply actions  

nice hitting by Sully

"I reject your reality and substitute my own"
-Adam Savage

by blueandorange4life on Aug 17, 2009 7:22 PM EDT reply actions  

If anyone had told me opening day that:

Wright would have 8 home runs
We’d be out of the playoffs
Reyes, Beltran, Delgado, and Wright would be on the DL
Livan would still be on the team
The Mets would have Jeff Francoeur
everything else that has happened happened

on Aug 17, I would have said “bull”

"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."

by Evan_S on Aug 17, 2009 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

wow, what a terrible throw

"I reject your reality and substitute my own"
-Adam Savage

by blueandorange4life on Aug 17, 2009 7:25 PM EDT reply actions  

You gotta understand

For the past couple days, David has lobby for a spot on the plane.

by T Pac on Aug 17, 2009 7:25 PM EDT reply actions  

effin sully

"Solo homers usually come with no one on base." -Ralph Kiner

by metsguy234 on Aug 17, 2009 7:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Yep

but that’s why we love them

by Jadden Hopkins on Aug 17, 2009 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would say why

"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."

by Evan_S on Aug 17, 2009 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Damn

I suck that meant to read: I wouldn’t say why

"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."

by Evan_S on Aug 17, 2009 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

of course

some of my fondest mets memories are the 93 team… they were so horrible, it was like a badge of honor to wear any mets gear in those days. Guess we’re back to that again.

by KeithsMoustache on Aug 17, 2009 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Those were lean years

I remember I went to a game vs. the Dodgers in 95’ when the Mets rallied from 5 runs down in the 9th. But then they lost it in extra innings when Ryan Thompson fell down in the outfield. Good times.

by David G on Aug 17, 2009 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha yeah they were a misfit bunch

but it was so fun to see how they would manage to lose on any given day.

by KeithsMoustache on Aug 17, 2009 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Some good news

Wouldn’t Bowman have made more sense than Green as a promotion? Or Evans? Could have gone Evans at first and Murph at third. Splitting hairs, but still.

by David G on Aug 17, 2009 7:36 PM EDT reply actions  

Look at Livan

lighting up the scoreboard with his 87MPH Fastball

by Jadden Hopkins on Aug 17, 2009 7:38 PM EDT reply actions  

could be worse

we could have Doc from Major League back to the Minors. I think his speed topped out at around 55 mph

"I reject your reality and substitute my own"
-Adam Savage

by blueandorange4life on Aug 17, 2009 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

or it could be even worse

we could be watching Major League back to the minors

by KeithsMoustache on Aug 17, 2009 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

hey, it wasn't that bad

"I reject your reality and substitute my own"
-Adam Savage

by blueandorange4life on Aug 17, 2009 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha ok i exaggerate slightly

but compared to the first it was pretty bad

by KeithsMoustache on Aug 17, 2009 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

damn, uglyness abounds

"I reject your reality and substitute my own"
-Adam Savage

by blueandorange4life on Aug 17, 2009 7:48 PM EDT reply actions  

Since we had no 1st rounder

it would be pretty dumb if we are too cheap to sign Matz. Madoff ruining things again.

by David G on Aug 17, 2009 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Madoff made off with all of the Mets money

I’m surprised they didnt sign the deed to Citi Field over to him

by aparkermarshall on Aug 17, 2009 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought the stadium was making them some dough though

Although attendance will surely be down these last 2 months.

by David G on Aug 17, 2009 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm sure it is

but it won’t be enough to offset the personal profit that the Wilpons lost because there will be no playoffs at the stadium.

by aparkermarshall on Aug 17, 2009 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haven't

Announced anything yet. A lot of these deals don’t happen til minutes before the deadline though. It’s really a big game of chicken.

by Alex Nelson on Aug 17, 2009 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tatis almost forgot to tag him

You don't cheer for the Mets. You drink for the Mets.

by Kevin H on Aug 17, 2009 7:51 PM EDT reply actions  

So.

Frankie just blew the save in game 7 of the WS for me in Baseball Mogul 2010. I think id rather be in the position we are in than losing game 7.

And Joe Martinez’ mom is insanely hot

by MetsKnicksRutgers on Aug 17, 2009 8:01 PM EDT reply actions  

she's nice, but she ain't THAT hot.

and i’d rather lose game 7 than suck at this level.

by fxcarden on Aug 17, 2009 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

For

how old she is. She is definitely a MILF. But i am 24 and have made a living off of cougars so she is my type

by MetsKnicksRutgers on Aug 17, 2009 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh em gee

I’m playing Baseball Mogul too

"Solo homers usually come with no one on base." -Ralph Kiner

by metsguy234 on Aug 17, 2009 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

"Do me a favor,

next time keep your mouth shut" -Keith Hernandez

"Solo homers usually come with no one on base." -Ralph Kiner

by metsguy234 on Aug 17, 2009 8:04 PM EDT reply actions  

Did anyone hear Wright

he says he wants back in as soon as possible. Just rest up Wright. There is nothing that will save this horrible season.

by aparkermarshall on Aug 17, 2009 8:08 PM EDT reply actions  

That can't put him out there

He really needs to take two months.

They’ can’t play around with this.

by Chickendirt on Aug 17, 2009 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Here is the strategy going forward

we release Livan and hope that either the Phillies or Yankees pick him up

by fxcarden on Aug 17, 2009 8:24 PM EDT reply actions  

No

i really don’t think so. He still has upside. And i would disagree with that. We just can’t depend on him for 180 IP i think. He is still dirt cheap

by MetsKnicksRutgers on Aug 17, 2009 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

For the production

we got in 2006 and 2007 thats definitely worth it. He is still under team control. The only young pitcher with upside who had some success that was Non-tendered that i can think of was Lowry and he had SEVER injuries. Maine we still aren’t sure if he will heal up well

by MetsKnicksRutgers on Aug 17, 2009 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Do you really want

John Maine in our rotation next year

by Jadden Hopkins on Aug 17, 2009 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Me too

I want Niese in this rotation over Maine

by Jadden Hopkins on Aug 17, 2009 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh

definitely. Theres another hot mom

But Maine is definitely a low risk medium reward. Shit we paid redding 2 mil this year didnt we?

by MetsKnicksRutgers on Aug 17, 2009 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

he's another one that you don't know how his leg will be.

it’s his landing leg, too….as opposed to Nieve who hurt his push off leg

but…..he doesn’t command 2.6 million.

by fxcarden on Aug 17, 2009 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Honestly

I’d rather the phils repeat. Than have to deal with the Lakers and Dodgers or Lakers and Yankees being World Fucking Champtions.

by MetsKnicksRutgers on Aug 17, 2009 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually

I am in jersey right now but i start at rutgers on Sept. 1st. Been in santa monica for bout 3 years

by MetsKnicksRutgers on Aug 17, 2009 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Me too

for some reason it does not bother me if they win

by Jadden Hopkins on Aug 17, 2009 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Alternate strategy

Have Livan start 5 games a week. Without any doubt, Bryce Harper is ours.

by Michkin on Aug 17, 2009 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

well, I'm glad I started wathcing

who the fuck is Joe Martinez?

"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"

by firejerrynow on Aug 17, 2009 8:28 PM EDT reply actions  

who the fuck is omar minaya

and why is he our gm?

"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"

by firejerrynow on Aug 17, 2009 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

who the fuck is Fred Wilpon

and why does he own our team?

"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"

by firejerrynow on Aug 17, 2009 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

If we start this

there is about 20 players we can also ask “why are they on this team?”

by MetsKnicksRutgers on Aug 17, 2009 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who the fuck is Oleg Kvasha

and how come he doesn’t play for the Mets?

by Chickendirt on Aug 17, 2009 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

He

Is the kid who got hit by that liner in april. it was pretty brutal

by MetsKnicksRutgers on Aug 17, 2009 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Some good news

Nats won’t sign Strasburg

"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"

by firejerrynow on Aug 17, 2009 8:31 PM EDT reply actions  

So what happens now?

Is he gonna be drafted again next year? I have no idea how that works.

2009 Mets---Mission: .500!

by Prince on Aug 17, 2009 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Does anyone know?

Or does everyone know, and is refusing to acknowledge my ignorance?

2009 Mets---Mission: .500!

by Prince on Aug 17, 2009 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think he can sign as a free agent next year if i remember how it works correctly

but im terrible with all the contract negotiation side of baseball, so someone needs to double check that

by KeithsMoustache on Aug 17, 2009 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

i dunno

the nats might get top two picks this year

I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya

by itsmetsforme on Aug 17, 2009 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

we're still the 10th worst team in baseball

"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"

by firejerrynow on Aug 17, 2009 8:35 PM EDT reply actions  

shef out for a nice jog

beautiful night for it

I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya

by itsmetsforme on Aug 17, 2009 8:38 PM EDT reply actions  

Kieth

you said we needed to fail harder

by MetsKnicksRutgers on Aug 17, 2009 8:38 PM EDT reply actions  

we can fail more?

"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"

by firejerrynow on Aug 17, 2009 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mets sports bag night

carry your dizzy medicine around in a bag just like David Wright does!

I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya

by itsmetsforme on Aug 17, 2009 8:40 PM EDT reply actions  

I have a question

If you are a GM and you had Mauer and Pujols available, who would you take, knowing that if you don’t take Pujols you could get Youkilis, or Nick Johnson or Adam Dunn, and if you didn’t take Mauer you can get Omir Santos level

"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"

by firejerrynow on Aug 17, 2009 8:40 PM EDT reply actions  

Mauer

It’s rare to see a catcher do what he can do

by Jadden Hopkins on Aug 17, 2009 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well

Pujols is still miles ahead of mauer for me who i would move to 1st base or DH as soon as i got him anyway

by MetsKnicksRutgers on Aug 17, 2009 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

i'd take mauer

to get that kind of production at catcher and still have those guys available at 1st means you have a pretty solid base

by KeithsMoustache on Aug 17, 2009 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

If this were a real team

Shef would be a liability

I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya

by itsmetsforme on Aug 17, 2009 8:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Haha

True that. Although another sign that this isn’t a real team is the fact that he’s one of our best players.

2009 Mets---Mission: .500!

by Prince on Aug 17, 2009 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow, Jerry

Great strategy there. There’s no way they would pinch-hit for the pitcher!

2009 Mets---Mission: .500!

by Prince on Aug 17, 2009 8:46 PM EDT reply actions  

wow a 2 run lead, 67 pitches in the 6th... and they pull him?

i dont mind seeing the guy who was shutting us down leave about 3 innings early given his pitch count

by KeithsMoustache on Aug 17, 2009 8:46 PM EDT reply actions  

Fair point

Still, with the way Livan is pitching I don’t know about putting another runner on.

2009 Mets---Mission: .500!

by Prince on Aug 17, 2009 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jerry needed to Pinch Pitch there

but who cares really?

I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya

by itsmetsforme on Aug 17, 2009 8:49 PM EDT reply actions  

I'd rather

lose and move up in the draft so.

by MetsKnicksRutgers on Aug 17, 2009 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

who's your GM?

I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya

by itsmetsforme on Aug 17, 2009 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

tatis double play

really…. come on thats just mean

by KeithsMoustache on Aug 17, 2009 8:57 PM EDT reply actions  

Ugh

good old double play Tatis

by Jadden Hopkins on Aug 17, 2009 8:58 PM EDT reply actions  

Why isn't Wags pitching

We need to showcase his ass so we could trade hime

by Jadden Hopkins on Aug 17, 2009 9:02 PM EDT reply actions  

Can we just get rid of Livan

He throw’s 86MPH and he’s 40 years old why the hell did they think he would be good

by Jadden Hopkins on Aug 17, 2009 9:08 PM EDT reply actions  

seriously

even having redding and figgy split a start wouldn’t be this bad

"I reject your reality and substitute my own"
-Adam Savage

by blueandorange4life on Aug 17, 2009 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can't take this anymore

there most be something good on TV.

HGTV : How to watch paint dry
DSC : Build it really big
TLC : We went to the moon……..no, really…..we did.

good night folks

by fxcarden on Aug 17, 2009 9:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Their site has crashed like 5 times today

Although I guess f’ing with Nats fans would be better than watching this game.

"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green

by Stephen Schmidt on Aug 17, 2009 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green

by Stephen Schmidt on Aug 17, 2009 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

holy crap

more than 40 games left!

I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya

by itsmetsforme on Aug 17, 2009 9:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Gritty run there...

"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green

by Stephen Schmidt on Aug 17, 2009 9:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Alright Frenchy

time for one of those RBI things you keep producing

"I reject your reality and substitute my own"
-Adam Savage

by blueandorange4life on Aug 17, 2009 9:37 PM EDT reply actions  

or not

"I reject your reality and substitute my own"
-Adam Savage

by blueandorange4life on Aug 17, 2009 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

and the pain is over

thankfully

"I reject your reality and substitute my own"
-Adam Savage

by blueandorange4life on Aug 17, 2009 9:57 PM EDT reply actions  

oh well

giants preseason is on, maybe that will be less horrifying

by KeithsMoustache on Aug 17, 2009 9:59 PM EDT reply actions  

agreed

good night all

"I reject your reality and substitute my own"
-Adam Savage

by blueandorange4life on Aug 17, 2009 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

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