Jeff Francoeur : Does his Defense at RF justify the Mets possibly keeping him?

I mean...I know this argument has been done to death as far as Church and Frenchy go. But I see Frenchy has a way better arm than Church did. We all know about OBP and all that business regarding Frenchy so I won't open that can of worms again. I just want to get everyone's opinion on whether his DEFENSE being good enough to warrant the Mets holding on to him in the foreseeable future.

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Well Church was better defensively.

"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."

by Evan_S on Aug 2, 2009 9:51 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

No

While his throwing arm is apparently as valuable as ever, his range has diminished. And like Evan said, Church is just as good as Frenchy in the field (if not better).

by James Kannengieser on Aug 2, 2009 10:22 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

And

Church can play a bit of center in a pinch. And he’s actually better than replacement level offensively.

by Eric Simon on Aug 2, 2009 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

No.

Because his defense isn’t good.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Aug 2, 2009 11:21 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Does anyone know what the weighting is

in better defensive stats of range vs arm for outfielders?

by deadspy3 on Aug 2, 2009 12:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

It's not so much weighting

it just tries to calculate the runs saved by each and add.

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by Sam Page on Aug 2, 2009 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Ah ok, so

there’s no such thing as a ‘hidden’ awesome arm, really.

by deadspy3 on Aug 3, 2009 3:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think UZR and maybe +/-

account for baserunners not taking an extra base because an OF has a good throwing arm.

by James Kannengieser on Aug 3, 2009 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I believe that only applies to the batter in UZR's case.

I’m pretty sure plus/minus does factor that in.

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by Schmidtxc on Aug 5, 2009 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

He is bad defensively, outside of the good arm, bad range

he turns too many singles into doubles and doubles into triples. He is bad. Church was much better.

by twon8 on Aug 2, 2009 1:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

When as he ever done that

as a met

by Jadden Hopkins on Aug 3, 2009 7:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

You mean other than this one?

by Zwill on Aug 3, 2009 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

He just missed that one in the lights

It’s not like he lets balls get pass him and roll to the wall or something

by Jadden Hopkins on Aug 3, 2009 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

He pretty much sucks, JH.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Aug 3, 2009 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well, he definitely let that one roll to the wall.

He didn’t lose it in the lights. He just screwed up.

by BobbyV_Incognito on Aug 3, 2009 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Garret Anderson's triple in atlanta is one, i know there was another play where he bobbled the ball and the batter got to second.

by twon8 on Aug 3, 2009 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

At least he never missed

3rd base

by Jadden Hopkins on Aug 3, 2009 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I really hope you're joking now.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Aug 3, 2009 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I am

by Jadden Hopkins on Aug 3, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Jeff Francoeur's future in baseball appears as a RH platoon player.

Career vs. RHP: .257/.289/.406 isoP: .032, ISO .149
Career vs. LHP: .289/.334/.470 isoP: .045, ISO .181

by All Shook Down on Aug 2, 2009 7:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

that's not even good enough to be a useful RH platooner

by jasondg on Aug 3, 2009 12:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Today's perfromance shows while he'll never be good enough to be a regular player.

He has played “well” since he’s been here and it’s still not enough to be an everyday RF. It’s a shame because he has some talent, but he will never succeed if he sees 1 pitch every other at bat.

Atlanta fans coined the “Failcoeur” nickname and I don’t like borrowing anything from them, so I shall henceforth refer to him as “One Pitch”.

Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.

by AnthonyR on Aug 4, 2009 12:47 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs