Wagner Claimed by Red Sox
Update 2: Ken Rosenthal confirms, Wagner was claimed by the Red Sox. Tip of the cap to Schmidtxc for finding the link, wag of the finger to Jerry for giving teams a free look at Wagner before he cleared waivers.
Update 1: According to Boston's 640 AM WFTL Radio Station, the claiming team was the Red Sox.
Original Post: I bet this threw some people for a loop. Now the decision is in a way more difficult for the Mets. They could give Wagner away and save about $4 mil (He's due $2.7 mil this year plus a $1 mil buyout for next year) or they could pay that money and try to collect their draft picks in the offseason.
Both the Rays and Marlins expressed interest in Wagner, though the Cubs also have a closer vacancy and seem to be higher up on the waiver order than either, and also seem more likely to be willing to spend the money.
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I really hope we demand some decent talent for him, and keep him if we don't get it.
I really feel like picking up his option and trading him in the offseason would net us a useful part. Buying him out and offering him arbitration won’t be a bad idea if he continues to pitch well. As long as he pitches well, his offers should be fairly decent, making it much more likely that he’d decline arb. Keeping him for essentially 7 million next year doesn’t sound that bad either. Just don’t let an asset like him go to save a few million.
"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green
by Schmidtxc on Aug 21, 2009 3:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If its the Cubs
What do they even have in the way of decent talent though?
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Mark Himmelstein on Aug 21, 2009 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
According to Rosenthal
Its not the Cubs
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/9966794/Source:-Mets-lefty-Wagner-claimed-off-waivers
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by blueandorange4life on Aug 21, 2009 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
According to Ken Rosenthal, it wasn't the Cubs
The amount of money left on his deal virtually ensures that the claiming team is a high-revenue club such as the Yankees, Red Sox or Angels.
The Cubs, in dire need of a closer, are not the team that claimed Wagner, according to a major-league source.
The Tigers represent another possibility among clubs in the AL. Teams such as the Dodgers and Cardinals likely do not have the financial flexibility to take on the reliever’s contract.
by Michkin on Aug 21, 2009 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
Between his (clearly non-zero) trade value and those arb draft picks, letting Wags go for nothing would be a terrible mistake.
by anonymous on Aug 21, 2009 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
a closer like wags
at this point in the season being available is a rare thing.
the mets should get a guy that would become one of our top 5 prospects. period. end of story.
by gbaked on Aug 21, 2009 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Totally agree
Anything else and it wouldn’t be worth it. ESPECIALLY since the Mets effectively still control his rights for 2010.
My fear is that the Mets won’t offer him arbitration and that is the scope with which we are looking at our trade options for him. And thusly the Mets will severely undervalue him.
I honestly don’t think the Mets are interested in paying 2 more high draft picks next season. The Mets are already basically assured of a top-10 pick. The Wilpons are probably crying at the though of investing that much into the draft.
by DannyMetsGeek on Aug 21, 2009 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They have some guys I'd be interested in
Samardzija, Wellington Castillo, Hak Ju Lee, Andrew Cashner, and Starlin Castro.
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-Dallas Green
by Schmidtxc on Aug 21, 2009 4:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Chris Carpenter
Ranks alongside Jenrry Mejia as the best two SP I’ve seen in the FSL this year. Ahead of guys like Holt, or Carlos Gutierrez. Still under rated on most Cubs rankings. I’m sure I saw him on a good day, but I’d take him for Wagner in a second.
by acerimusdux on Aug 21, 2009 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are those real people?
You’ve got to admit, they sound pretty made up.
"If on-base percentage is so important, then why don't they put it on the scoreboard?"
by hotspur on Aug 21, 2009 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Napoleon Garcia, Alex Szymborski, Shea Waters, Brian Stokes.
See that? I can make up names, too.
by BobbyV_Incognito on Aug 21, 2009 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Brian Stokes"?
No one would ever believe that this is a person’s name. It’s about as crazy as Napoleon Einstein.
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by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Aug 22, 2009 1:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was due to clear waivers at 1 PM
I have to wonder if he would have been claimed if he hadn’t pitched last night. Having him clear and being able to field offers from everyone would be a lot better situation.
"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green
by Schmidtxc on Aug 21, 2009 4:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
they mets have
arbitration next year as a negotiating tool. so its not like they are super screwed if a deal cant be worked out.
by gbaked on Aug 21, 2009 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Be careful
I wondered the same thing about pitching Billy last night and how that could possibly have influnced a team to claim him… and firejerrynow called me a whiner.
So please stop complaining (apparently)
by DannyMetsGeek on Aug 21, 2009 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was wondering the same thing.
And if we’re right, it’s a huge roster management mistake.
On the other hand, since Wagner was placed on waivers on Wednesday, there’s also possibility that somebody claimed Wagner off the list before yesterday’s game – and hence the Mets decided to let Wagner pitch to potentially increase his value. (I’m here assuming that the waiver claims are known instantenously which might not be the case.)
by alexSVK on Aug 21, 2009 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i thought that the reason they placed him on waivers on wednesday was so that he could clear them before he pitched on Friday. Apparently that wasnt the case
by wrightnumber5 on Aug 21, 2009 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So how does this work now?
Sorry, I always forget.
by JoshNY on Aug 21, 2009 4:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Basically
We have 3 days to either
(1) Work out a trade with the team that claimed him (with Billy’s approval because he has a NTC)
(2) Pull him back and retain his rights, canceling the waiver claim and then losing the option of trading Bily in 2009
or
(3) Just letting the 3 day window expire and releasing his rights to the claiming team, who would assume all financial obligations for the player
by DannyMetsGeek on Aug 21, 2009 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah,
these are the options. However, the right decision depends in this situation still depends on the remaining missing information – what’s the salary that Wagner would get in arbitration? I have yet to read any insight into this… do we at least know in which ballpark the arbitration salary would be?
by alexSVK on Aug 21, 2009 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd guess it depends largely on his performance for the rest of the season.
If he struggles, I’d guess he’d get far less than if he looks to be the Billy of old.
"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green
by Schmidtxc on Aug 21, 2009 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
but still,
if he really struggles down the stretch, are the Mets guaranteed that the arbitration does not give him more than, say 3-4 million? I know the 20% max reduction does not apply here, but I’m still curious whether the arbitration board actually decreases the salary to it’s market level – even if it means cutting previous salary by more than 50%. Especially given that Wagner is a type A agent.
by alexSVK on Aug 21, 2009 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This was the debate we initially had in another thread
I’m pretty sure the arbitration board would try to establish a market value and assign that to him, but Schmidtxc disagrees.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Mark Himmelstein on Aug 21, 2009 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, I just didn't agree with your market value.
I thought they were likely to award him quite a bit.
"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green
by Schmidtxc on Aug 21, 2009 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right
But to establish market value, you have to open the question up to something larger than just what arbitration boards have awarded in the past. If Wags pitches for a month and a half throwing mid 90s heat, I’ll lean more towards your estimates, but I was just assuming that was an unknown.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Mark Himmelstein on Aug 21, 2009 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd guess 7 mill or so would be about as low as he'd get
That’s not based on anything informed though, just my opinion.
"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green
by Schmidtxc on Aug 21, 2009 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unless it's slam-dunk talent...
Dude said he wants to close next year, right?
So if it’s made clear to him that he won’t be doing that next year for this team, there’s no WAY this prideful sumbitch takes an arb offer coming off an injury, no?
So, unless we’re getting back two-first/second-rounders’ worth of talent…
NO DEAL!
by LeiterMilnerFasterStronger on Aug 21, 2009 4:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
a guy
already in AA or AAA is valuable though. getting over that first couple seasons.
our farm system is so bare, a high level guy would be really nice.
by gbaked on Aug 21, 2009 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It'll play in the sticks.
Or, rather, in Wing country.
by LeiterMilnerFasterStronger on Aug 21, 2009 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who told you our farm system is "so" bare?
Next year, we should have most of our top prospects in the top two levels of our farm.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Aug 21, 2009 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Same guy who told me that.
Anonymous scout.
by BobbyV_Incognito on Aug 22, 2009 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also known as Mike Silva's gut.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Aug 22, 2009 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Adding some guys a little further along in their development would be nice,
as it’s really the upper levels of the minors that need restocking. That also take out the risk of the pick being busts or Billy accepting arb.
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-Dallas Green
by Schmidtxc on Aug 21, 2009 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is that above slot talent
or Mets draft philosophy talent?
"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green
by Schmidtxc on Aug 21, 2009 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Conflicted.
The more I think about it, the more I don’t know what my rooting interest is.
I don’t know whether I have less faith in the ability of this front office to extract a fair value in trade, or in the same FO’s ability to handle the arbitration/drafting in a responsible way.
by LeiterMilnerFasterStronger on Aug 21, 2009 4:25 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Apparently the rumor is
It was the Red Sox. Bodes well for the Mets perhaps getting some talent in return, not so much for the fact that I picked up Wags to replace Kevin Gregg in two fantasy leagues. Its being reported on Boston’s 640 AM, link here.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Mark Himmelstein on Aug 21, 2009 4:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Bowden got called up today, so it won't be him getting traded unless its a PTBNL
They cartainly have some interesting arms though.
"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green
by Schmidtxc on Aug 21, 2009 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Id rather
try and pry someone like Westmoreland or Anderson away from them… I think Lars might be more attainable since he has had a down year. Westmoreland would be nice too but I dont see that one happening (a guy can wish cant he). Other than that they’re arms are either too costly or dont do it for me…..
by tbach81 on Aug 21, 2009 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Westmoreland was one of the untouchables for Halladay
I’d forget about him.
"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green
by Schmidtxc on Aug 21, 2009 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
absolutely insane
we aren’t getting either of those guys.
by firejerrymanuel on Aug 21, 2009 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not really.
Lars Anderson sucks.
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-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Aug 21, 2009 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
BLARGH Anderson
Awful. Ike Davis>Lars Anderson in literally almost every category.
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-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Aug 21, 2009 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But but but
Lars Anderson is in the almighty Red Sox system, and Ike Davis is in the horrible Mets system which is ranked 89th in all of baseball. See how bad it is, there are 60 fictional teams that have better farm systems.
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
by Evan_S on Aug 21, 2009 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd be really happy with Anderson as a return.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=anders002lar
He seems to have a great approach at the plate, and he’s supposedly pretty good defensively. His batting average is terrible this season, but his OBP is still 100 points higher, and he’s shown flashes of power. If they both work out, I seem to remember reading that Davis was pretty solid in the outfield as well.
"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green
by Schmidtxc on Aug 21, 2009 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That said, I think he's an unlikely return
"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green
by Schmidtxc on Aug 21, 2009 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Davis is supposed to be slow as hell though
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
by Evan_S on Aug 21, 2009 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not so
http://macksmets.blogspot.com/2009/03/macks-prspect-15-1b-ike-davis.html
"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green
by Schmidtxc on Aug 21, 2009 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not a burner, but capable of playing the OF
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-Dallas Green
by Schmidtxc on Aug 21, 2009 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No argument here
Davis>>>>>>>>>>>>>Anderson
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
by Evan_S on Aug 21, 2009 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's played 20 games at DH in his career,
and that was while he was dealing with a sprained ankle.
"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green
by Schmidtxc on Aug 21, 2009 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why the Sox need another closer?
Papelbon hasn’t been performing well or they just want a lefty ace reliever?
by Michkin on Aug 21, 2009 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd say keeping him away from the Yankees was a factor.
They do need to improve, however…bullpen depth is never a bad thing.
"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green
by Schmidtxc on Aug 21, 2009 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Totally agree
The Sox don’t really have a need for him but are willing to pay $4MM to prevent the Yanks from getting him. He’s not much of an upgrade over Okajima but he’s an improvement over Phil Coke because he can get both LHB and RHBs out. In other words, I’d be surprised if we can get much of a return in a trade from the Sox.
by Zwill on Aug 21, 2009 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is minimal risk for a team like the Sox
They have the cash to spend to make a marginal upgrade or play warfare with the Yankees, Angels and Rangers plus he comes with the benefit of two draft picks. It’s important that the Mets don’t underestimate the value of Billy Wagner. Those draft picks are huge.
by All Shook Down on Aug 21, 2009 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes I agree
and I think the end result will be that the club pulls him back and eats the money. Maybe I shouldn’t confident in this FO but I don’t think it benefits them in the PR battle to trade him for 50 cents on the dollar.
by Zwill on Aug 21, 2009 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rather: Maybe I shouldn't *be* confident...
by Zwill on Aug 21, 2009 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha I've been reflecting on this past year
And the Mets have made few smart moves on the MLB level.
-K-Rod’s contract
-Seven players for Putz/Green/Reed
-Redding / Cora / Sullivan / Mackowiak / Livan signings
-Letting O’Day walk
-Mishandling of injuries
-Castro for Broadway
-Francoeur for Church
-Not pulling Livan from the rotation sooner.
-Not calling up Jon Niese sooner
-The useless players acquired midseason (think Berroa, R. Martinez)
-Not acquiring adequate help when the injuries first occured.
-Failure to understand Gary Sheffield’s personality.
What’s the impetus for optimism?
by All Shook Down on Aug 21, 2009 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, when you put it all on a list there like that
Just. Wow.
I guess the impetus comes from a leap of faith I’ve made that Minaya is effectively no longer the GM. I suppose upon further reflection I should expect the worst in this situation.
by Zwill on Aug 21, 2009 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They pretty much fail on a daily basis.
Beltran is rehabbing to return in September for whatever reason. Not pulling Livan on Monday made no sense. Not pulling Livan after the start before that made no sense. Not pulling Livan the start BEFORE that made no sense. Nick Evans in AAA; Cory Sullivan in MLB. Manuel intimating that a player who suffered two concussions in two months soft. That’s the height of stupidity.
by All Shook Down on Aug 21, 2009 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But if the Wilpons are tightening up financially like reports say
Do you think they’ll offer him arbitration? I know he’s coming off TJ surgery but if he pitches lights out down the stretch I wouldn’t be surprised if he didn’t lose that much money.
by Gina on Aug 21, 2009 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Billy wants to be a closer. He's not going to do that in NY or Boston.
So he’s going to reject arbitration. It’s a virtual certainty.
by All Shook Down on Aug 21, 2009 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
speaking of the red sox
we should be claiming fernando cabrera.
dude has strikeout stuff and is only 27.
sign him.
and lol, we aren’t getting lars anderson or westmoreland for billy wagner, are you people mental.
by firejerrymanuel on Aug 21, 2009 4:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Not for nothing
but Lars has lost about all of his luster. He could be someone who is a "buy low’ candidate. Do I think the Red Sox would deal him? Probably not, but atleast Im asking for what Omar and FO wont/should be asking for. And a 27 yr old middling reliever for a guy who could be a stopper at the back of most bullpens seems like you’re either severly short selling Wagner, or day I say, might be a little mental yourself
by tbach81 on Aug 21, 2009 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the cabrera comment was seperate
and not related to a Wagner move
"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green
by Schmidtxc on Aug 21, 2009 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just quick
looking at the stats for Cabrera I can understand the “want” but I dont think its justifiable. He does has an awesome SO/9, however, that is easily offset by his WHIP, HR/9 and very pedestrian ERA+… Still seems to be sellling Wags really low
Heres where I got my info from:
by tbach81 on Aug 21, 2009 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You just responded to a post making the point that he wasn't suggesting Cabrera for Wags.
He simply suggesting signing him since he was DFA’d
"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green
by Schmidtxc on Aug 21, 2009 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes
i want cabrera, even if billy wagner had decided to retire from baseball last year and become a transgendered bearded woman in a circus.
gimme 27 year old with strikeout stuff for my bullpen plz
by firejerrymanuel on Aug 21, 2009 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I took it
to mean that we should be targeting Cabrera instead of the guys that I proposed… Could be wrong but thats just how I read it
by tbach81 on Aug 21, 2009 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it was an aside
i would want to look at cabrera independently of billy wagner
by firejerrymanuel on Aug 21, 2009 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Meh I can see how he's lost his luster
But I don’t think there’s anyway they trade him for a few months of a 38 year old relief pitcher coming off tommy john surgery. Intelligent teams don’t sell that low on recently top prospects, especially ones as young as Lars.
by Gina on Aug 21, 2009 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait, they can't take sheff too in the hopes of a better prospect right?
Cuz Sheff was pulled back?
Just know, if there's ever a riot at Citi Field and Oliver Perez was the starter, I started the riot.
by meigs1414 on Aug 21, 2009 4:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
No, if they pull him back he can't be traded
"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green
by Schmidtxc on Aug 21, 2009 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No he can't
if he’s placed on waivers again, it’s irrevocable waivers meaning the claiming team gets him for the remainder of his salary.
"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green
by Schmidtxc on Aug 21, 2009 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I meant as "Yes, they can't take Shef, because he was pulled back"
by Michkin on Aug 21, 2009 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
sorry...read it wrong.
"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green
by Schmidtxc on Aug 21, 2009 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah you guys were saying the same thing,
Just I threw a whoel bunch of double negatives and pronouns to confuse everyone that reads the comment.
Just know, if there's ever a riot at Citi Field and Oliver Perez was the starter, I started the riot.
by meigs1414 on Aug 21, 2009 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ha! Mission accomplished
We were such fools to fall into your trap haha
by Michkin on Aug 21, 2009 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Excellent.
Just know, if there's ever a riot at Citi Field and Oliver Perez was the starter, I started the riot.
by meigs1414 on Aug 21, 2009 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The one thing we have to keep in mind if this is Boston is he won't be closing there
and he has no trade clause… is he going to want to go anywhere where he’s not gonna be finishing games? Wonder if that will come into play in all this, since he won’t be closing in NY either.
by KeithsMoustache on Aug 21, 2009 5:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I bet he'd do it
His comments about winning a WS make that pretty clear I think, he knows he’s unlikely to close this year, at the very least he wants to prove he’s still capable of being that good, and at the most he wants to pitch in the postseason. If he gets to close this year, I imagine that’d be gravy
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Mark Himmelstein on Aug 21, 2009 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if billy wanted a world series so badly
why did he choke in 2006
by firejerrymanuel on Aug 21, 2009 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he wasn't the one
that stared at a 3rd strike curve.
by cntrlalt on Aug 21, 2009 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
disclaimer
not that i’m blaming carlos or any one player for that series, but…in fairness if you can’t blame beltran you can’t blame billy.
by cntrlalt on Aug 21, 2009 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Huh?
I think you can blame Billy a lot MORE than Beltran. He was awful in game 2 and just barely saved Game 6 leading Willie to go to Heilman in a tie game in Game 7.
by Endys Game on Aug 21, 2009 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes.
billy killed us in 06.
absolutely murdered us.
by firejerrymanuel on Aug 21, 2009 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I suppose he just didn't want it enough
And Steve Phillips is getting hired by BP to do analysis, and Joe Morgan has been nominated for a Nobel prize in linguistics.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Mark Himmelstein on Aug 21, 2009 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Joe Morgan?!
Omar is incensed, and believes that he was robbed. I asked him what he thought about this news and he replied that, “Joe he lobby the Nobel Foundation for the prize.”
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Aug 21, 2009 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no, my point was
that you can’t blame any one player any more than another. there’s a reason why its a best of format.
by cntrlalt on Aug 21, 2009 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Beltran, in the 2006 NLCS
31 PA, .296/.387/.667, 3 HR
Wagner, in the 2006 NLCS
2.2 IP, 7 H, 5 ER, 1 HR, 0 K
One of these things is not like the other.
by James Kannengieser on Aug 21, 2009 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How about Mota though?
If he gets fuking Spiezio, they most likely go up 3-1 and it’s over! That was the series right there. Also, Green should probably have freaking caught it.
by David G on Aug 21, 2009 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry I meant
they’d have been up 2 games to 0, not 3-1
by David G on Aug 21, 2009 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It wasn't an easy play
If Mota wasn’t such a pigheaded moron, he would’ve thrown another change-up 0-2 to Speizio instead of the fat fastball, and we probably would’ve been in the WS
by Syler on Aug 21, 2009 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm gonna puke
jesus, what a disaster
by firejerrymanuel on Aug 21, 2009 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah there was also 2 outs nobody on
in that inning too. Then effin pujols singled.
by David G on Aug 21, 2009 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Worst team to get claimed by.
They’d make Omar take Dice-K back and like it.
by All Shook Down on Aug 21, 2009 5:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
DiceK wouldn't clear waivers anyway
But his contract isn’t reallt too bad (the posting fee is already paid.
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-Dallas Green
by Schmidtxc on Aug 21, 2009 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh yeah that's right -- on the DL
But shoulder issues and a problem with walks. I wouldn’t take that kind of risk.
by All Shook Down on Aug 21, 2009 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
so the red sox cliamed him?
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
by firejerrynow on Aug 21, 2009 5:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Rosenthal just confirmed it
He’s usually fairly good with these things.
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/9966794/Source:-Mets%27-Wagner-claimed-off-waivers-by-BoSox
"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green
by Schmidtxc on Aug 21, 2009 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Omar is getting robbed
He’s gonna trade us Brian Anderson for him. And make us pay his salary
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
by firejerrynow on Aug 21, 2009 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
how many trades has omar been on the wrong end of?
and how many has he been the winner?
by firejerrymanuel on Aug 21, 2009 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Johan trade was a good one
by Jadden Hopkins on Aug 21, 2009 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Doesn't sound like they were blocking the Yanks
They appear to want him
http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/2009/08/sox_interested_3.html
"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green
by Schmidtxc on Aug 21, 2009 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
so was the ollie trad
and the benson trade
and the seo trade
and the loduca trade
and the delgado trade
and the el duque trade
he got burned on heath bell. that’s about it.
by firejerrymanuel on Aug 21, 2009 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Castro and Putz were pretty awful
and more recent.
King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president
by Sam Page on Aug 21, 2009 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Burgos, Vargas/Bostick, Francoeur
All pretty bad
"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green
by Schmidtxc on Aug 21, 2009 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Vargas/Bostick is a pretty decent trade
Lindstrom sucks and Owens is hurt. It’s just that Omar gave Vargas away and refuses to call up Adam Bostick because Elmer Dessens has to get his service time to ten years.
by All Shook Down on Aug 21, 2009 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah they really should call up Bostick
He is finally healthy this year and is putting up great numbers in the minors. At the very least they should call him up in Sept to see how he handle ML hitters. We are going to need another arm in the Pen next year and he would be a solid option for a second lefty to compliment Feliciano. Not to mention judging by him minor league numbers he not just a LOOGY.
by Balagast on Aug 21, 2009 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
castro?
awful?
what the fuck.
putz was a gamble and it didn’t work out. so it goes.
by firejerrymanuel on Aug 21, 2009 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yea we gave away our best catcher and cash for a horrible AAA pitcher
In the grand scheme of things not a big deal, but pretty much 5 Million dollars for nothing
King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president
by Sam Page on Aug 21, 2009 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it is more the poor roster management and moves he didn't make
rather than the trades that make Omar an awful GM. Still he has made some lemon trades as well. Burgos was awful.
by Endys Game on Aug 21, 2009 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's good for the Mets
Maybe we can get a decent prospect back
by Jadden Hopkins on Aug 21, 2009 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hearing Jerry say that Reyes is probably done for the year is good news.
Enjoy a margarita or two Jose…see you in the spring
"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green
by Schmidtxc on Aug 21, 2009 6:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
word on the street is
he’s been enjoying plenty of margaritas in florida.
by firejerrymanuel on Aug 21, 2009 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Umm...what's your point, exactly?
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Aug 21, 2009 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you're interested in the Red Sox system...
Here:http://www.soxprospects.com/
Here:http://www.soxprospects.com/moreprospects.htm
"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green
by Schmidtxc on Aug 21, 2009 7:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Oops...
http://www.soxprospects.com
http://www.soxprospects.com/moreprospects.htm
"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green
by Schmidtxc on Aug 21, 2009 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wagner for Ryan Kalish and Travis Denker
We pick up some of the salary.
by All Shook Down on Aug 21, 2009 7:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wonder what we'd get back
Considering what the Mets gave up for Putz,. they’d look pretty foolish if they didn’t get at least something decent back for Wagner. I’m not sure how realistic it is to expect much though.
I’d like to land Stolmy Pimentel, but even that I doubt. We might be looking more realistically at guys like Che-Hsuan Lin or Luis Exposito. Anything less than that and you are better off keeping Wagner, which is probably what is most likely to happen here.
by acerimusdux on Aug 22, 2009 2:32 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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