Wincoeur: Mets 4, Phillies 2
Original post: I'll have a more complete recap later. For now, just enjoy this picture of Jeff Francoeur and the fact that his OBP hit .300 tonight. Congratulations to the entire Francoeur family and Delta Airlines. You earned this one, big guy.
Expanded recap: This game didn't exactly have the urgency of late-season games against the Phillies that the past two seasons have, as the Phillies have a sizeable lead in the NL East and the Mets can barely see third place from where they currently reside. Nevertheless, these games are always a little bit more exciting because beating the Phillies (and the Braves) still feels great even when the Mets have little else to play for most days.
Though is walk and strikeout rates have both been terrific, Cole Hamels is having a tough year overall, giving up a lot of hits, homeruns and runs, and dropped to 7-8 after last night's loss to the Mets. True to form, he struck out six and walked none in five innings, but allowed a homerun and ten hits that led to four earned runs.
On the Mets' side, Mike Pelfrey turned in a solid start, allowing just two runs over six innings while striking out five (Hamels twice) and walking two. His sinker wasn't particularly effective, as nine of his 14 in-play outs came on flyballs.
The hit-by-pitch played an important role in the game, leading two a run apiece for each team. In the bottom of the second, Hamels hit Pelfrey with a pitch that forced Omir Santos to second. With two outs, Angel Pagan's single to center drove in Pelfrey and gave the Mets a 2-1 lead. In the top of the sixth, Pelfrey hit Jayson Werth to push Ryan Howard to second, who scored two batters later on a Pedro Feliz single to center.
If you were wondering whether Gary Sheffield's recent run-in with the Mets' front office over a 2010 contract would lead to intransigence (or worse) on the field, look no further than his utter indifference to being ejected in the seventh inning. After an admittedly shoddy strike-three call by Rob Drake in the seventh inning, Sheffield threw his bat in disgust and was quickly tossed by Drake. Clearly miffed by the call, Sheffield appeared entirely unemotional at begin given rest of the night off.
After a couple of solid games to begin his re-stint with the Mets, Anderson Hernandez is hitting .100/.182/.100 in his last 33 plate appearances spanning nine games. Conversely, Jeff Francoeur is hitting .310/.340/.500 with the Mets, with six homeruns and three unintentional walks, a .344 wOBA (versus .277 with the Braves) and .3 WAR (versus -.5 with the Braves). Of course, his BABIP is almost fifty points higher with the Mets (.328 vs .281), so I'm still bearish on his long-term prospects.
Tim Redding opposes J.A. Happ tonight at 7:10pm.
Haiku by Howard Megdal
Hamels, against Mets
seems to buckle to pressure
How to describe it?
Swag Contest
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SB Nation Coverage
* Traditional Recap
* Boxscore
* Amazin' Avenue Gamethread
* The Good Phight Gamethread
Win Probability Added
Big winners: Mike Pelfreu, +13.2% WPA, Angel Pagan, +11.7% WPA
Big losers: Gary Sheffield, -8.4% WPA, Anderson Hernandez, -8.1% WPA
Teh aw3s0mest play: Rollins flyout to end sixth, +10.7% WPA
Teh sux0rest play: Feliz RBI single in sixth, -12.6% WPA
Total pitcher WPA: +35.8% WPA
Total batter WPA: +14.2% WPA
GWRBI!: Jeff Francoeur
Game Thread Roll Call
Nice job by Jadden Hopkins; his effort in the game thread embiggens us all.
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| 1 | Jadden Hopkins | 95 |
| 2 | metsguy234 | 65 |
| 3 | fxcarden | 44 |
| 4 | blueandorange4life | 43 |
| 5 | itsmetsforme | 35 |
| 6 | LeiterMilnerFasterStronger | 29 |
| 7 | Schmidtxc | 20 |
| 8 | Syler | 19 |
| 9 | Kevin H | 14 |
| 10 | Endys Game | 14 |
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Comments
Keep it up Frenchy
Redding on the hill tomorrow
"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green
by Schmidtxc on Aug 21, 2009 11:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
in honor of frenchy
a study by tom tango proving that francouer will still suck next year.
by firejerrymanuel on Aug 21, 2009 11:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You really have a vendetta against the guy, don't you
by Syler on Aug 21, 2009 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yea
something about hating shitty baseball players on my favorite team
by firejerrymanuel on Aug 21, 2009 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He hasn't been that bad for us though
Daniel Murphy, Fernando Tatis, Omir Santos, Alex Cora, etc. have all been way worse than Frency has as a Met and yet they don’t get half the shit he does on this blog.
And to note, I am in no way shape or form a part of the Francouer fan club at all, but all this hate towards Francouer is a little ridiculous.
by Syler on Aug 21, 2009 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
except
tatis is a bench player, santos is a back-up catcher, cora is a back-up MIF.
francoeur is a starting RFer.
and murphy is at least young and w/ potential.
francoeur is just a shitty baseball player whose presence on the Mets will make them worse.
by firejerrymanuel on Aug 22, 2009 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well Francoeur is still young and has potential
he just can’t take a walk. If he could learn to balance his aggressiveness with selectivity, he’d be tremendous. But of course, that’s Jeff Francoeur. You can’t say he doesn’t have potential though.
Trying to believe is my full-time occupation.
by Preach19 on Aug 22, 2009 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He doesn't have potential.
There, I’ve said it.
The guy has a significant major-league track record of sucking, and sucking badly. What evidence is there that he’ll suddenly change into a better player than he already is?
by anonymous on Aug 22, 2009 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Murphy is only one year younger than Francouer
and he has done nothing to show he has great potential
Oh, and Francouer’s .800+ OPS has REALLY hurt us this year
You know what, you’re probably right, he more than likely will suck next year, and the Mets will have to deal with it accordingly
The fact remains, he hasn’t as a Met and has been far from our biggest problem…
by Syler on Aug 22, 2009 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
z0mg!
like that’s pertinent!
i’ve never heard of a player having a fluke 200 at-bat stretch.
this is the best stretch of baseball he’s had in 3 years and he can still only manage a .815’ish OPS.
by firejerrymanuel on Aug 22, 2009 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
The fact remains, he hasn’t as a Met and has been far from our biggest problem…
Exactly. I wasn’t a fan of Failcour, but for today Jeff is Wincoeur. His career numbers show horrible plate discipline, but his punch to the lineup kept the Mets afloat tonite.
by cuseindahuse on Aug 22, 2009 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
didnt get to watch the game
but props to Frenchy, this is a major career milestone!
by KeithsMoustache on Aug 21, 2009 11:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
And over .330 as a Met!
I’m actually pleased.
Trying to believe is my full-time occupation.
by Preach19 on Aug 21, 2009 11:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
One game closer to the Phils! Playoffs here we come!
by WebBard on Aug 22, 2009 12:29 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Anagram time!
Jeff Francouer, On Base Percentage—> Beat-up offences jeer on fragrances.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Aug 22, 2009 1:00 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I kind of want to keep him just for the goofy pictures
The man is a goldmine.
by SupT on Aug 22, 2009 1:21 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Mets Fans Are Unbelievable!
Only the Mets have fans that complain and whine when someone does a good job,truly unbelievable. Why can’t you stand it that Frenchy hasn’t done half bad since coming to the Mets? I guess his HRs and RBI’s aren’t welcome,Huh? He’s not a great player but he has done well for the Mets so far,just enjoy the freaking WIN!
by jimmontg on Aug 22, 2009 4:03 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
For the quadrillionth time:
Ryan Church as a Brave: 0.6 WAR
Overall: 0.9 WAR
Jeff Francoeur as a Met: 0.1 WAR
Overall: -0.5 WAR
Ryan Church is not a superstar, but he’s still the better player and even when Francoeur is “hot” he’s still just marginally above replacement. But then again, Francoeur has 22 RsBI and Church has only 16 RsBI since the trade, hence Frenchy>Church=WINZ!
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
by Evan_S on Aug 22, 2009 5:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hell yeah
because if OBP is so important why isn’t it on the scoreboard? And RBI is on the scoreboard.
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
by firejerrynow on Aug 22, 2009 6:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
two cents
While I wasn’t a fan of the trade, I also don’t believe you can always just look at numbers after the trade – I believe in the change of scenery benefit Big Time, and I think Church needed it. I just wish we had gotten more than Frenchy in the process. All that said, he’s been a pleasant surprise, but I’d prefer we flip him for something better while his value is higher this offseason. I doubt he can keep up this next season, so I’d like us to take advantage of his temporary increase in value. Teams like seeing a .310 BA and a .500 SLG, so his value should be higher. I think we can get something in return for him rather than just non-tendering him.
by mookstra2 on Aug 22, 2009 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does WAR take into account grission and funny faces that yield excellent photos.
Also, does it account for post concussion syndrome ?.
by fxcarden on Aug 22, 2009 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
this guy
is obviously a Braves fan who misses Wincoeur/Failcoeur/.300OBPcoeur
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
by firejerrynow on Aug 22, 2009 6:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Braves fans probably would have KILLED for a .300OBPcoeur.
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Aug 22, 2009 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They can't believe it, he reached .300
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
by firejerrynow on Aug 22, 2009 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think many of us actually care how many wins the Mets finish the season with at this point
The specific number is irrelevant. If they’re not in the playoff hunt, and they’re not really in the Bryce Harper sweeps, all I really care about is that they get a protected first round draft pick, so there’s one less thing Omar can screw up. Since that seems like just about a lock at this point, everything else that just happens is only filler until the offseason and a chance to get some stars healthy and retweak the roster.
If Jeff Francoeur can keep his BABIP over .320 next year, I’m happy to have him on the team. If it winds up under .300, its hard to imagine he’ll be a very useful player. What’s happening right now isn’t exactly a good predictor one way or the other for that.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Meddler on Aug 22, 2009 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
all I was saying he’s doing better than anyone expected him to do,i.e. 6 weeks as a Met and 6 HRs,23 RBIs batting .310 obp.340 slugging .500 or would you rather he just kept up his numbers he had as a Brave? .250 .282 .352. No I’m not a Frenchy fan,I just don’t think he is terrible. I’ve met him and he was polite and gave my grandson a signed ball so maybe I don’t think he’s such an evil apparition from Hell. He just can’t seem to keep from swinging at most every pitch and he suffers from terminal foot in mouth seizures from time to time. Oh sorry if I just use his numbers as a Met,it doesn’t make him look half bad.
by jimmontg on Aug 22, 2009 9:28 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes, I would rather he kept up his numbers he had as a Brave
Because it’s performances like these in a small sample size that lead the Mets front office to believe that these players are part of the solution. (read: Murphy, Daniel LF) Then they sign these guys to stupid contracts (Marlon Anderson, El Duque, Ollie) and expect the performance to continue. Then when these players return to their normal production levels, everyone scratches their head and wonders “wha happen”?
So yes. I would rather he suck so they could move on and a real a solution can be found. Because even though his performance has helped the Mets win some games, these wins are meaningless for a team that will finish hopelessly out of the playoffs and under .500. And if he keeps this up, rest assured that he will be the opening day RF next year. That’s depressing!
by Reg Dunlop on Aug 22, 2009 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Maybe
But what would you say if he kept these numbers up till the last game of the season? I don’t think he will,but just say he keeps his numbers up,even with his terrible plate discipline he keeps connecting what’s the harm if they keep him for another year?
by jimmontg on Aug 22, 2009 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because starting him would LOSE us games.
That’s the harm. Keeping him isn’t the problem, but starting him IS.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Aug 22, 2009 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hope is not a winning organizational philosophy
Let’s say he does keep it up and the Mets do keep him around. Hoping that his insane amount of swings both continue to make contact, and that the result of that contact is hits is a recipe for disaster in the future.
He is not a good player. He has been hot and a little lucky since he got here. He seems like he has changed his swing mechanics a little and maybe that has helped produce some better results. But his approach to hitting hasn’t changed, and once pitchers start looking at video of his altered swing, I’m sure they will figure out a way to neutralize it.
Crossing your fingers, closing your eyes, and wishing that someones good luck continues from season to season is not the way to build a winning team. Unfortunately it has been Omar’s method and we all see how well that worked out.
by Reg Dunlop on Aug 22, 2009 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
See Your Point
I don’t think he will keep it up but your right if he does, they will sign him. It’s too bad he can’t seem to learn to control himself at the plate.
by jimmontg on Aug 22, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he will never
have plate discipline. This is the best they will get out of him.
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
by firejerrynow on Aug 22, 2009 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don’t know about that,there may be someone somewhere over the rainbow who could teach him.
by jimmontg on Aug 22, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1 for A Mighty Wind reference
at least, I think it was
by JoshNY on Aug 22, 2009 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah Omar will point to the numbers
and say lets keep him
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
by firejerrynow on Aug 22, 2009 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm a nice guy too.
I’m also not even close to a good professional baseball player. Those things aren’t synonymous, you know.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Aug 22, 2009 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting post, here.
Lots of contribution from you.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Aug 22, 2009 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is what this site does. Why are you here?
by SupT on Aug 22, 2009 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Um...For Mets chat?
Do I need to want to poison Francouer’s dog to contribute?
by Mex_17 on Aug 22, 2009 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I get the feeling
Mex doesn’t like somewhat advanced statistics (like OBP, which I think should be beyod advanced and just normal). Go to Metsblog, or something like that if you don’t find this interesting
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
by firejerrynow on Aug 22, 2009 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Beating a dead horse, sorry.
I love fresh takes or analysis, who doesn’t. The Pelfry ERA post today was great.
I don’t see how Francouer/OBP posts count as “analysis” after the 100th time they’ve been posted.
It would be like reading 20 stories a day for 2 months about why Livan Hernandez is not a good pitcher. It’s just old, even the self-refential (meta-Francouer?) take is stale.
by Mex_17 on Aug 22, 2009 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
DON'T READ THEM
It’s not hard. You can do it.
by jasondg on Aug 22, 2009 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Livan Hernandez ISN'T a good pitcher.
And if the Mets had kept him, I would have consistently insisted that he be released, over and over and over and over and over again.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Aug 22, 2009 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED??????
by James Kannengieser on Aug 22, 2009 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe you should refund his AA subscription fee.
it seems only fair.
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Aug 22, 2009 5:54 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
General Maximus Decimus Meridius?
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
by Evan_S on Aug 22, 2009 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
point of information
pelfrey had 9 ground ball outs of of 15.
by firejerrymanuel on Aug 22, 2009 3:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Anybody know what time the 1969 gathering at the Acela Club starts
Gary Thorne=Simply the Best!
by The American Mr.Hockey on Aug 22, 2009 3:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
TOUCHDOWNCUOER!
so glad to see all you nay sayers finally coming around.
Lets hope that when gut check time comes again the Mets will pass it with flying colors.
by kendynamo on Aug 22, 2009 7:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs






















