Triple Play Applesauce - Wagner to BoSox possible, Brooklyn no-hitter, Minaya back to Mets for 2010
by Joe Budd on Aug 24, 2009 8:17 AM EDT
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At this point, I'm starting to take a certain pride in how awful this season has been. I can say to future generations of Met fans, "you think you've got it bad now, I remember when the Mets ended a game by... hitting into an unassisted triple play... dropping a popup..." It's like showing off my scars. They build character.
Meet the Mets
The Boston Red Sox have claimed Billy Wagner off waivers and the Mets appear to be in the process of working out a deal. Problem is, there are some roadblocks. One is Wagner himself, who would want to close immediately. Secondly, the Boston bullpen sounds less than thrilled about the addition.
Fred Wilpon assures Met fans that chaos will continue for at least another year.
The Mets got a no-hitter from Brandon Moore at Brooklyn.
Ted Berg asks why we're all jumping to conclusions that Gary Sheffield's latest spat was hit fault?
Sunday's game opened with an inside the park home run and ended with an unassisted triple play. What can we possibly expect this afternoon? My guess is a no-hitter by Cliff Lee with a cycle by Shane Victorino.
A plea for peace from Phillies Nation.
The Mets have interest in Japanese teenage pitcher Yusei Kikuchi.
Reese Havens hit his 12th home run of the year while scoring four runs in St. Lucie's 9-4 win over Sarasota.
Josh Thole, Nick Evans, and Eddie Kunz will be a part of any September call-ups for the Mets.
FanGraphs takes a look at Billy Wagner's return.
Around the NL East
The Nationals, led by Craig Stammen, pounded the Brewers 8-3, snapping their 5-game losing streak.
Atlanta pulled ahead of Florida in the division with the help of Brian McCann's 5 RBI.
The Braves got more good news with Tim Hudson's encouraging rehab performance.
Marlin first baseman Nick Johnson is likely out for the Met series as he continues to struggle with running. No decision yet on the DL.
In random statistics, the Marlins are quickly approaching their 1,000th batter hit by pitch.
Philadelphia put Greg Dobbs on the disabled list and called up slappy Miguel Cairo.
Around MLB
Fire Jim Bowden argues that Adam Dunn is as bad defensively as his fielding metrics say.
Armando Benitez is going to Houston, or at least Houston's triple-A farm team.
John Smoltz struck out 9 over 5 innings in his Cardinal debut. Seven of those nine strikeouts were consecutive.
The Tribune Company is finally getting rid of the Cubs. For $845 million to the Ricketts family.
Ozzie Guillen is unsure whether Jake Peavy is returning this year. Chicago may have rolled snake eyes on that deal.
Reds pitcher Aaron Harang is out for the remainder of the season after an emergency appendectomy.
The Rockies have signed Jason Giambi.
San Diego just can't get enough grission. They have re-signed David Eckstein for an additional year.
1969 wasn't just the Miracle Mets, it was Ball Four and the Seattle Pilots' only year. Now there's a film about the Pilots.
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Scars
That’s basically what my dad and my grandfather have been doing to me for the last two months. “If you think this is bad, they were really terrible in [insert year they were really terrible].” Not good times at the meigs’s get-togethers…
Just know, if there's ever a riot at Citi Field and Oliver Perez was the starter, I started the riot.
by meigs1414 on Aug 24, 2009 8:40 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
insert years they were terrible:
1962-1968, almost all of the seventies, 1980-83, 1991-1996, 2002-2004
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
by firejerrynow on Aug 24, 2009 8:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
2009
You don't cheer for the Mets. You drink for the Mets.
by Kevin H on Aug 24, 2009 8:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
how could i forget
memory fail
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
by firejerrynow on Aug 24, 2009 8:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sort of my point.
Just know, if there's ever a riot at Citi Field and Oliver Perez was the starter, I started the riot.
by meigs1414 on Aug 24, 2009 8:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Today
The first quadruple play in baseball history
by HotChipWillBreakYourLegs on Aug 24, 2009 9:56 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
triple plays to end EVERY inning
or maybe 3 guys thrown out at home on the same play in the 9th
by KeithsMoustache on Aug 24, 2009 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Too optimistic
Francoeur hits a walk off grandslam but misses first, second, third, and home
or he hits a grandslam, but passes Omir Santos on the bases. The reason: I have to win the OBP race, and Omir is my main competition. When told OBP is a stat, he reiterates his famous phrase “if OBP is so important then why isn’t it on the scoreboard”
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
by firejerrynow on Aug 24, 2009 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
still too optimmistic
francoeur is hurt.
plus, you are basing this thought on the idea we will be close enough in the 9th inning for a grandslam to win it. also that we can load the bases in the 9th.
by gbaked on Aug 24, 2009 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Has Wagner asked the Red Sox not to offer him Arb next year as a precondition of waiving his no-trade clause? That would be a really smart move for him, personally.
by OlStubbleBeard on Aug 24, 2009 10:48 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Why?
Can’t he just refuse, and then he’s in the same spot he would be in if they didn’t offer?
by SupT on Aug 24, 2009 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if they offer and he turns it down
then as a type A free agent, any team who signs him has to give up their 1st round pick (unless protected, in which case their second round pick). This will make teams reluctant to sign Wagner. If he isn’t offered arbitration the signing team doesn’t have to give up anything.
by -ben- on Aug 24, 2009 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
how would that be different than staying on the Mets?
Getting offered arbitration and turning it down is effectively reducing his next contract by the value of a 1st round pick. (The signing team would take their loss into account when making an offer.)
If he doesn’t get traded off the Mets, he’s hopefully going to get offered arbitration and be in the same boat.
On the Sox, he at least has a chance to win the WS this year, right? It seems like he should drop the arbitration demand, keep the no team option demand, try to win a ring, and take his lumps on the FA market even with the draft pick lowering his value.
From his perspective, he would still be in a better situation because if he stays on the Mets, they could take the team option and he’d be stuck not being a closer. (Unless he wants to end up in the Bronx and thinks the Yankees wouldn’t give up a draft pick to Boston OR he’s hoping the Mets front office really is as dumb as everyone says and doesn’t offer him arb.)
Am I off-base here?
"If on-base percentage is so important, then why don't they put it on the scoreboard?"
by hotspur on Aug 24, 2009 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think
he is just trying to get himself into a better situation next year by exploiting his current situation.
by gbaked on Aug 24, 2009 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fox says Red Sox pass on Wagner
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/9975412/Red-Sox%27s-chances-of-signing-Wagner-in-doubt
Guess they didn’t want to pay 3.7M for a six week rental on a guy coming back from injury.
Would make sense for Wagner to drop the demands. He’d get a much better showcase for free agency in a playoff hunt and the inevitable Yanks-Sox ALCS than sticking with the Mets.
"If on-base percentage is so important, then why don't they put it on the scoreboard?"
by hotspur on Aug 24, 2009 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
very true -
so i guess he wants to have his cake and eat it, gaining the chance to win a WS and also improving his attractiveness as a free agent signing for next year by removing the draft-pick cost.
Or he realises that the Mets front office is dumb/cash-straped enough to fail to offer arbitration, while this seems less likely at a well run team like the Red Sox.
by -ben- on Aug 24, 2009 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Berg and Sheffield
He raises a good point, really. We all know Omar is incompetent, and with the Bernazard/Rubin press conference we now know he has some issues with interpersonal relationships too. I mean, yeah, Sheffield has a history of this sort of thing, but it’s certainly possible that he’s not the only guilty party. Ted also gets bonus points for this:
I wonder if anyone claimed Livan on waivers earlier this month. I haven’t heard as much, and with Hernandez set to earn incentives in his contract perhaps no one else wanted him, but who knows? He’ll still eat innings, among other things, and maybe that’s worth something to someone.
Randomly: If the linked article about the Cubs is on Philly.com, why is the picture going with the article of Stephen Strasburg?
by JoshNY on Aug 24, 2009 12:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ted Berg knows funny.
He also knows steak. I suppose I still haven’t thanked him properly for turning me on to Sir Scott’s in Montana. Best steak I ever ate.
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Aug 24, 2009 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Worst Steak
Well, not the wrost, but I went to some steak house in Norfolk Saturday night that I read on line was the best steak house in Norfolk, Magnolias. We’d been on vacation down in Pawleys Island and had seafood all week. So we wanted some meat. A $32 piece of shit. My wife had the chopped sirloin and wouldn’t eat it. rancid. Had to go to Smith and Wollensky’ last night to get the taste outta my mouth, get back on the horse so to speak.
by wobatus on Aug 24, 2009 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chopped Sirloin? 32 bucks?
Jeez, you coulda had a sirloin burger and bought a few gallons of gas with the savings.
by bones_boy on Aug 24, 2009 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Clarification
My steak was a strip steak for $32 (likely choice). My wife’s was a chopped steak for $18. Both awful. But I washed mine down with a gallon of Worcestershire.
by wobatus on Aug 24, 2009 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice
I’m glad you made it; was that place not awesome? Did you see any railroad hobos? We saw some railroad hobos outside when we left.
by TedBerg on Aug 24, 2009 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
thread drift
I don’t think the word “hobo” is used often enough these days
by JoshNY on Aug 24, 2009 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What's the Best Steak in NYC?
I am partial to Sparks myself, but I know a lot will say Peter Lugers.
I really like the flatiron steak at Les Halles. For $20 or so, tough to beat. But I lobve a good aged strip steak.
River Palm terrace in Edgewater, NJ has great steak if you don’t want to pay $40+ and then have to fork over $7 for the potatoe and more for a salad, since it comes with.
by wobatus on Aug 24, 2009 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know about NYC
But I went to Morton’s Steakhouse in Brooklyn and it was pretty damn good. Expensive as fuck, but good.
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
by Evan_S on Aug 24, 2009 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brooklyn counts
as NYC. Lugers is Brooklyn.
by wobatus on Aug 24, 2009 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I live in Brooklyn so I know it's part of New York City.
I meant to say, I don’t know about all of NYC, but in Brooklyn, etc.
Should have been more clear.
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
by Evan_S on Aug 25, 2009 3:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The City
I know folks born in Brooklyn who still call coming to Manhattan going in to the City. I have only lived in Manhattan since moving here in ‘88 for good, but almost moved to Boerum Hill or LIC (not brooklyn, I know) but my wife said she wanted Manhattan, even though she has lived in Sheepshead, Staten Island, Astoria. Only borough she hasn’t lived in yet is the Bronx.
by wobatus on Aug 25, 2009 8:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Been in Sheepshead all my life
albeit, a relatively short one thus far.
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
by Evan_S on Aug 25, 2009 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Baku
Went their with my wife a couple of year’s ago with some of her girlfriends and their boyfriends. My wife is russian. These girls were smoking hot. Just recall drinking a lot.
Many years ago went to a Russian place in Brighton. Vodka in blocks of ice, lotsa meat and pickles i seem to recall, but the funniest thing was the band, playing a very russian-inflected accordian-based version of Tell It to My Heart. It actually worked.
We also go to a russian supermarket there to buy foods my wife misses from back home. It’s near the subway stop. Plus you can sometimes get fresh fish right off the boat.
by wobatus on Aug 25, 2009 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
there
Not their. oops.
Also, about 15 years ago I represented a bankrupt co-op on Shore and Voorhies, I think. Pretty sure it was called VASPOC (Voorhies Avenue and Shore Parkway Owner’s Corp.) I had to go explain to the tenantry/owners what the bankruptcy meant, what we were trying to accomplish, yes you still have to pay maintenance, etc. And we went to the fish restrant out there. They later opened a Tinmes Square branch, but even 15 years ago wasn’t as good as say 35 years ago.
by wobatus on Aug 25, 2009 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That place was, indeed, awesome.
No railroad hobos, but I did engage in a lengthy conversation about Michael Jackson with a 70-something retired utility lineman. He also told me that he’d be a happy man if he never set foot inside Yellowstone again as long as he lived.
Much like you, Ted, I’m trying to think of an excuse to get back within three hours or so of that place. I ate like a king.
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Aug 24, 2009 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Adam Dunn
He could take 10 flyballs or throws to first and toss them over the fence for homers and his bat would make up for it this year. He is OPS’ing over a thousand.
BTW, i argued Adam Laroche might make a decent rental for the Mets once Delgado went down and didn’t seem like he’d be coming back in the second half. Well, nothing as it turns out would have been worth sacrificng in this lost season, but sure enough, Laroche is the one player whose seasonal splits seem trustworthy. Since the break: .343/.415/.630. This dude just catches fire come July
by wobatus on Aug 24, 2009 12:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure that's true about Dunn
His bat is awesome, but his defense is BAD BAD BAD, like there’s bad, and then there’s nightmarish and then there’s Adam Dunn. Plus he has “old player skills” which tend to break down earlier in careers. Plus even if his defense wasn’t nightmarish he’s an “unathletic masher” and Omar has some sort of objection to those type of players.
by Gina on Aug 24, 2009 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
genreally true
But this year he is having his best offensive year. yeah, his D is awful, but he is still at 2.2 war thus far, so he’ll be about 3 year end even with the godawful D. But he is having a huge babip year by his standards, so the o is likely going down. He generally ends up with positive wars from fangraphs even with the bad d. But you are right. I am just saying that this year his bat is making up for it, even if somewhat lucky. The homers and walks are for real. Plus at first he is safer than in left, although awful there too. Nyjer Morgan could salvage some of his awfulness with great D. Just say outta the way Adam, i got ya covered.
by wobatus on Aug 24, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Triple Play
I was listening to the game driving up the Delmarva peninsula (got it on 3 Phillies stations and the Fan-plus there were 2 stations playing Wilmington versus Kinston, weird).
Anyway, why the hell were the runners going? 2 Strikes on Francouer? Even without the triple play, that had a chance of being a strikout dp, wiping out a runner who represented the tying run. I suppose the idea was to avoid ther dp. maybe I didn’t recall the situation correctly. Seemed odd to me. Jimmy Rollins in the NY Post today was quoted as saying it was a bad move. I suppose he is not the be all of strategy, but I agreed.
And another thing. I read the only other game-ending unassisted triple play was in 1920s by a Tiger 1b. What i want to know is how the hell does a 1B pull off an unassisted triple play?
by wobatus on Aug 24, 2009 12:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Maybe he was covering home on an inside the park home run and a really fat guy was on 2nd holding up the other runner and the batter. Tag, tag, tag.
"If on-base percentage is so important, then why don't they put it on the scoreboard?"
by hotspur on Aug 24, 2009 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe
Funny but maybe. I seem to recall the Dodgers had 3 guys on third base in a game once, back in the 20s.
by wobatus on Aug 24, 2009 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
do you get an assist for a rundown?
He could catch a liner, step on first, then be the one to eventually tag out the second base runner in a rundown. I don’t know how detailed the records are from the 20s, but that sort of thing would probably get mentioned in the newspaper.
"If on-base percentage is so important, then why don't they put it on the scoreboard?"
by hotspur on Aug 24, 2009 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
2 by 1Bs
in history. Apparently they were able to erach second before the runner got back. My only question would be why didn’t they throw the ball instead of running to second?
by wobatus on Aug 24, 2009 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jon Miller
brought it up during the Sox-Yanks borefest last night (which I watched to kill time pre-Mad Men). He said the guy, Neun, ran to 2nd even though the shortstop was covering and according to legend yelled to the SS that he was taking that ball “all the way to the Hall of Fame.” Which was either an error or a bold-faced lie by Miller, since the HoF was found in 1939 and the triple play happened in like 1927.
by dtro on Aug 24, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that did happen. but it was not a triple play, since the lead runner was safe.
I will look up the story and post it here for everyone’s enjoyment. It’s a good one.
We've got ourselves a ball club, the Mets of New York town!
by kingcritical on Aug 25, 2009 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks
I think it was the Wilbert Robinson era Dodgers.
by wobatus on Aug 25, 2009 8:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, it was.
I remember the story, but not all the particulars.
by BobbyV_Incognito on Aug 25, 2009 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I didn't see the game so maybe I missed something
But I didn’t understand why the runners were going with no outs either.
by Gina on Aug 24, 2009 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
huh?
Did anybody else know Thole is pronounced “toll-E”? Is Rubin just messing with me?
by metsjetsnets on Aug 24, 2009 2:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Nope that's right.
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
by Evan_S on Aug 24, 2009 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
For some reason
I like him less now. That’s a silly pronunciation. He must think he’s Matt Die-az
by David G on Aug 24, 2009 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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