Update: Lennon's twitter: Announcement coming shortly on Wagner. Looks like the trade to Boston is going to happen.
#mets trying to talk sense into billy wagner. #redsox still have small hope. 35 minutes to go.
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that makes sense
to me.
if true, a very valid concern.
although you think this would have been expressed prior to this whole process.
Why are the Wilpons pushing this so much?
If we get back a nothing prospect, which is more than likely with this franchise, I’m gonna be pissed. I was looking forward to having three first round picks dammit.
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
Well it might be because they don't think a team without a protected pick will pick him up
Or it might be because they just want to save 3.5 million and hate us.
They'd still get a supplemtary round pick
and I bet he goes to a good team
King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president
supplementary*
King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president
Lennon's twitter
Announcement coming shortly on Wagner. Looks like the trade to Boston is going to happen. #Mets.
King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president
It's not happening
but I want Westmoreland. C’mon Omar make it happen.
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
That guy is like Grady Sizemore...
King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president
Only an idiot would trade a talent like Sizemore...
damn
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
My prediction
We don’t pick up a cent and we get a A pitcher with a C grade.
Post Twitter
After lobbying by the Mets, a team source says Billy Wagner is now open to the Red Sox trade. No deal yet, though. 1:30 p.m. deadline.
King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president
So
Mets lobby Wagner to accept trade to Boston?
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
Heyman
wagner is on verge of accepting #redsox deal, according to sources. 10 mins ’til deadline. #mets
King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president
Hmmm
Walked uphill both ways to school?
by DannyMetsGeek on Aug 25, 2009 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Waited until news actually came out before reporting it
by Sokojoe on Aug 25, 2009 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Ahhh, six months ago.
Such an innocent time.
by BobbyV_Incognito on Aug 25, 2009 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Probably
Because it’s an insignificant prospect.
by DannyMetsGeek on Aug 25, 2009 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't mind twitter for news
But I hate people who actually update what they’re doing on a constant basis.
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
I'd still wish the thing didn't exist so I wouldn't have to hear about it 1000000 times a day.
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
if the mets
are desperate to trade him to the sox, that means they value the return they’re getting on him a ton.
now, if the return they’re getting on him is just saving 3.5 million….
… that’s fucking awful.
by firejerrymanuel on Aug 25, 2009 1:30 PM EDT reply actions
they are probably over valuing whatever they are getting
…because it’s the Mets, and that’s what they do.
hubbuch
saying it’s not even going to be the full 3.5 mill, more like 2.7
by firejerrymanuel on Aug 25, 2009 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Brad Penny and Casey Kotchman
Not really, but you’d believe that, wouldn’t you?
by The 'Ropolitans on Aug 25, 2009 1:34 PM EDT reply actions
No I wouldn't
Brad Penny already got pulled back from waivers, Kotchman would never clear
King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president
Haha
We have butts to put in the seats this year!
by DannyMetsGeek on Aug 25, 2009 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe in blind desperation being so far behind the Yankees,
The Sox mistakenly give us Youkilis.
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
News director for SNY
@bradcomo: SNY has learned that the Mets have traded Billy Wagner to the Red Sox for 2 players to be named later.
by The 'Ropolitans on Aug 25, 2009 1:38 PM EDT reply actions
screw that
King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president
eh
i dont know. at first i was on the “no way wagner accepts arb.” train, but him accepting arb would be CRIPPLING to this team.
mets were in a tough spot
by firejerrymanuel on Aug 25, 2009 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
It would have been worse for Wagner
He wouldn’t have been able to make as much through arbitration as he would on the free market, thanks to the year he missed not pitching, and he wouldn’t have gotten the closer’s job he so desperately coveted. There’s no way he would have accepted.
unless
nobody was offering him a closer job, the market for him sucked, and he realized his best option was taking the 9 million he’d make in arb.
by firejerrymanuel on Aug 25, 2009 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions
why would he make 9 MM?
King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president
arb is a f'ed up system
what do you think he’d make?
by firejerrymanuel on Aug 25, 2009 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
a lot less
he missed a season
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I think one of the beat writers said it would be around the $3m range
Not sure if that’s accurate, of course, but that still would be a much better gamble than Putz at $5 million this year, or Wagner at $10.5 to spend 2/3 of the season rehabbing.
3MM would be livable
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because
arbitration almost never drastically reduces somebody’s salary.
by firejerrymanuel on Aug 25, 2009 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
why not?
If he pitches well in the last month of the season, there’s pretty much no reason to expect him to pitch significantly below his career numbers next season. There are many examples of guys coming strong after TJ. And, even if he is slightly worse in 2010 than in 2008, he is still worth much more than 3 million (as a closer).
Don't be so fast to poo-poo players to be named later,
It gives the Mets extra time to allow r-squared to reach .50 for certain short season prospects in order to make better decisions or sometimes contenders give non-contenders PTBNL so that they can use the player as long as possible before trading him such as Micah Ownings last year and he…well the guy can hit…
Alright, how about this, Marcos Scutaro starred in the documentary A Player to be Named Later which was, you know, alright.
+1
Plus, it could be based on how Wags performs. So let’s cheer for good Wagner down the stretch.
by DannyMetsGeek on Aug 25, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
That was anticlimactic
Nothing like “PTBNL” to kill anticipation
by The 'Ropolitans on Aug 25, 2009 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
What's the legality on
the Sox picking up his option after the season and then sending Wagner back to us as the PTBNL?
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
so
do PTBNL have to have cleared waivers to be traded, or is that a way to get around the post-trade deadline restrictions by naming them after the season is over?
you got it
it’s a way to get around the waiver restrictions.
by firejerrymanuel on Aug 25, 2009 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Boston Globe
“…a trade that would send two mid-range minor leaguers to New York…”
by The 'Ropolitans on Aug 25, 2009 1:47 PM EDT reply actions
red sox picking up whole salary
declining option
have right to offer arb.
by firejerrymanuel on Aug 25, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Heyman
#redsox agreed to pay the rest of wagner’s salary, which is $2-mil-plus, just for the five weeks.
by The 'Ropolitans on Aug 25, 2009 1:49 PM EDT reply actions
From the all possible outcomes
My personal favorite was hold Wagner during 2009 + arbitration = 2 draft picks
My least favorite was to trade for 1 or 2 nobody PTBNL non-prospects (I imagine 2 “Jeremy Reed”s)
my worst scenario was a salary dump.
Hopefully, the Mets did better.
there are plenty of worse scenarios
than that.
by firejerrymanuel on Aug 25, 2009 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
well,
if it’s true that BoSox is paying remaining Wagner’s salary, it cannot be worse scenario than the salary dump.
i meant
there are worse scenarios than salary dumping wagner.
like keeping him and having him get injured.
or having him suck.
etc.
by firejerrymanuel on Aug 25, 2009 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
this wasn't a clear cut situation
a lot of variables involved.
by firejerrymanuel on Aug 25, 2009 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Well...
Wagner said he didn’t want arbitration and the Mets seemed determined to “do right” by him. I.e. let him find a place to be the closer. That is less likely if they offer arbitration and the signing team has to give up picks.
not really
you don’t even know who the PTBNL are.
by firejerrymanuel on Aug 25, 2009 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
source
http://twitter.com/NYPost_Mets/status/3539250024
"Solo homers usually come with no one on base." -Ralph Kiner
Maybe he's
Lenny Dykstra who when he was with the phils heard about Von Hayes getting traded and said, “Great trade! Who’d we get?”
So wait
Everyone killed the Mets for not getting rid of Sheffield and now killing them for getting rid of Wagner. Huh?
So we know
the Mets were going to offer him arbitration?
People are assuming "do right by him" = not picking up his option nor offering arbitration
When "do right by him" can mean anything.
True we don't know
but everyone has made up their minds already.
Plus, with the Sheffield thing why let him go if all you are going to get back is a Wilson Valdez, Anderson Hernandez or Lance Broadway type? Why NOT keep him? Everyone assumes that whatever the gotten would have been good. And everyone assumes that whatever they get now will be bad.
Sheff and Wagner are 2 different situations
Sheff is not projected to be a Type A nor B free agent. When this season ends, he’ll walk away and the Mets won’t get anything if he goes to another team. So, if the Mets could trade for any lowly prospect, it would be profit already.
Wagner is projected to be Type A free agent. So, he is worth 2 high draft picks next year (1st round pick + suplemental or suplemental + 2nd round pick)*. If the Mets are going to trade Wagner, they should at least require 2 draft picks equivalent to what they would receive next year (not considering his remaining salary or his production this year).
Yes, Mets are always wrong but
Sheffield has value now. He can help the team win games now. The team’s goal is to win games. To get fans to come to the stadium and spend their money. It’s easy to sit at the NY Post and say, “Lose all your games. What does it matter?” But that’s not reality. They are still trying to make money. I don’t see the sense in giving away Sheffield. Why not release him outright at that point?
Wagner, I thnk is a more complicated situation. Do I think the Mets did the best thing? No, but I think they did okay. Wagner is not going to be on the Mets next year. They are going to decline his option. Who knows if they offer arbitration or not. But what if he gets hurt in September? Then they are screwed.
If it's players to be named later
Doesn’t that usually mean, post deadline at least, it’s players on the roster?
their double-a team is
the portland sea dogs
let me check out the sea dogs roster
"Solo homers usually come with no one on base." -Ralph Kiner
the roster
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portland_Sea_Dogs#2009_roster
"Solo homers usually come with no one on base." -Ralph Kiner
Ryan Kalish, Josh Reddick, Mark Wagner
among others…
King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president
Reddick is in AAA Pawtucket
I live in Providence, so I see the AAA team regularly
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
by firejerrynow on Aug 25, 2009 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Deadline deal
Boston Globe…
WEEI.com’s Joe Haggerty just tweeted the following:
Billy Wagner’s agent, Bean Stringfellow, emailed me…Wagner waived his no-trade. Stringfellow: “He changed his mind last minute.”
by The 'Ropolitans on Aug 25, 2009 1:56 PM EDT reply actions
whats the deal?
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
by firejerrynow on Aug 25, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Wagner for two PTBNL
Sox pick up whole contract. No option. Will offer arb.
by The 'Ropolitans on Aug 25, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't like it
until I know who the PTBNL are. Usually they’re some A loser
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
by firejerrynow on Aug 25, 2009 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
any links?
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
by firejerrynow on Aug 25, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Has the trade happened?
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
according to Heyman
2 players to be named later
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
idle speculation
doubront is on the 40 and on the AA team.
by firejerrymanuel on Aug 25, 2009 1:58 PM EDT reply actions
Yeah he's the only one on both
I don’t completely understand how post deadline deals work but wouldn’t they have to be on the 40 to have to be players to be named later.
no.
a player on the 40 has to be a PTBL.
but any player can be named later.
by firejerrymanuel on Aug 25, 2009 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
YES!!!!!
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
by firejerrynow on Aug 25, 2009 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Awesome ...
and not surprising. Why trade the guy if you aren’t going to get the value of the 2 picks back? Are they really that cheap that 3.5mil in savings makes or breaks it?
Yes
But honestly, I prefer this trade to going through the pain of them not offering Billy arbitration.
Doubront and Exposito would be a pleasing haul for me at this point.
by DannyMetsGeek on Aug 25, 2009 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Wishful thinking:
Maybe the money saved on Wagner’s salary and buyout will go towards 2010’s payroll. Thoughts?
Globe, again
It is not expected that any more than one of the two players the Sox are giving up will come from the 40-man roster, and neither is considered an upper-tier prospect.
by The 'Ropolitans on Aug 25, 2009 2:13 PM EDT reply actions
Could that have been any less imformative?
Basically that guy said it could be anyone that isn’t “top tier”. Also, what do they mean by top-tier? Their top 10? Top 20? I really wish writers had an obligation to actually report some type of information before they were allowed to publish it.
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