Update: Lennon's twitter: Announcement coming shortly on Wagner. Looks like the trade to Boston is going to happen.
#mets trying to talk sense into billy wagner. #redsox still have small hope. 35 minutes to go.
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that makes sense
to me.
if true, a very valid concern.
although you think this would have been expressed prior to this whole process.
by gbaked on Aug 25, 2009 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why are the Wilpons pushing this so much?
If we get back a nothing prospect, which is more than likely with this franchise, I’m gonna be pissed. I was looking forward to having three first round picks dammit.
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
by Evan_S on Aug 25, 2009 1:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Well it might be because they don't think a team without a protected pick will pick him up
Or it might be because they just want to save 3.5 million and hate us.
by Gina on Aug 25, 2009 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They'd still get a supplemtary round pick
and I bet he goes to a good team
King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president
by Sam Page on Aug 25, 2009 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
supplementary*
King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president
by Sam Page on Aug 25, 2009 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lennon's twitter
Announcement coming shortly on Wagner. Looks like the trade to Boston is going to happen. #Mets.
King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president
by Sam Page on Aug 25, 2009 1:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It's not happening
but I want Westmoreland. C’mon Omar make it happen.
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
by Evan_S on Aug 25, 2009 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That guy is like Grady Sizemore...
King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president
by Sam Page on Aug 25, 2009 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Only an idiot would trade a talent like Sizemore...
damn
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
by Evan_S on Aug 25, 2009 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My prediction
We don’t pick up a cent and we get a A pitcher with a C grade.
by DannyMetsGeek on Aug 25, 2009 1:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Post Twitter
After lobbying by the Mets, a team source says Billy Wagner is now open to the Red Sox trade. No deal yet, though. 1:30 p.m. deadline.
King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president
by Sam Page on Aug 25, 2009 1:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Correction
After lobbying lobby by the Mets
by Mount17 on Aug 25, 2009 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heyman
wagner is on verge of accepting #redsox deal, according to sources. 10 mins ’til deadline. #mets
King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president
by Sam Page on Aug 25, 2009 1:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What did we do before Twitter?
by The 'Ropolitans on Aug 25, 2009 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmmm
Walked uphill both ways to school?
by DannyMetsGeek on Aug 25, 2009 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Waited until news actually came out before reporting it
by Sokojoe on Aug 25, 2009 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Ahhh, six months ago.
Such an innocent time.
by BobbyV_Incognito on Aug 25, 2009 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nobody leaked yet what the Mets would receive in return
by Michkin on Aug 25, 2009 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Probably
Because it’s an insignificant prospect.
by DannyMetsGeek on Aug 25, 2009 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't mind twitter for news
But I hate people who actually update what they’re doing on a constant basis.
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
by Evan_S on Aug 25, 2009 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, really.
who cares if you’re taking a dump.
by fxcarden on Aug 25, 2009 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd still wish the thing didn't exist so I wouldn't have to hear about it 1000000 times a day.
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
by Evan_S on Aug 25, 2009 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now we have the race
for who can tweet the deal 30 seconds before everyone else.
by Mount17 on Aug 25, 2009 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if the mets
are desperate to trade him to the sox, that means they value the return they’re getting on him a ton.
now, if the return they’re getting on him is just saving 3.5 million….
… that’s fucking awful.
by firejerrymanuel on Aug 25, 2009 1:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
they are probably over valuing whatever they are getting
…because it’s the Mets, and that’s what they do.
by fxcarden on Aug 25, 2009 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hubbuch
saying it’s not even going to be the full 3.5 mill, more like 2.7
by firejerrymanuel on Aug 25, 2009 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brad Penny and Casey Kotchman
Not really, but you’d believe that, wouldn’t you?
by The 'Ropolitans on Aug 25, 2009 1:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
No I wouldn't
Brad Penny already got pulled back from waivers, Kotchman would never clear
King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president
by Sam Page on Aug 25, 2009 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha
We have butts to put in the seats this year!
by DannyMetsGeek on Aug 25, 2009 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe in blind desperation being so far behind the Yankees,
The Sox mistakenly give us Youkilis.
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
by Evan_S on Aug 25, 2009 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
News director for SNY
@bradcomo: SNY has learned that the Mets have traded Billy Wagner to the Red Sox for 2 players to be named later.
by The 'Ropolitans on Aug 25, 2009 1:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
screw that
King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president
by Sam Page on Aug 25, 2009 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
eh
i dont know. at first i was on the “no way wagner accepts arb.” train, but him accepting arb would be CRIPPLING to this team.
mets were in a tough spot
by firejerrymanuel on Aug 25, 2009 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It would have been worse for Wagner
He wouldn’t have been able to make as much through arbitration as he would on the free market, thanks to the year he missed not pitching, and he wouldn’t have gotten the closer’s job he so desperately coveted. There’s no way he would have accepted.
by Cox813 on Aug 25, 2009 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
unless
nobody was offering him a closer job, the market for him sucked, and he realized his best option was taking the 9 million he’d make in arb.
by firejerrymanuel on Aug 25, 2009 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
why would he make 9 MM?
King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president
by Sam Page on Aug 25, 2009 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
arb is a f'ed up system
what do you think he’d make?
by firejerrymanuel on Aug 25, 2009 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
a lot less
he missed a season
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by Sam Page on Aug 25, 2009 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think one of the beat writers said it would be around the $3m range
Not sure if that’s accurate, of course, but that still would be a much better gamble than Putz at $5 million this year, or Wagner at $10.5 to spend 2/3 of the season rehabbing.
by Cox813 on Aug 25, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
3MM would be livable
King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president
by Sam Page on Aug 25, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it'd be more than that
have to be.
by firejerrymanuel on Aug 25, 2009 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
why?
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by Sam Page on Aug 25, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
because
arbitration almost never drastically reduces somebody’s salary.
by firejerrymanuel on Aug 25, 2009 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
why not?
If he pitches well in the last month of the season, there’s pretty much no reason to expect him to pitch significantly below his career numbers next season. There are many examples of guys coming strong after TJ. And, even if he is slightly worse in 2010 than in 2008, he is still worth much more than 3 million (as a closer).
by alexSVK on Aug 25, 2009 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't be so fast to poo-poo players to be named later,
It gives the Mets extra time to allow r-squared to reach .50 for certain short season prospects in order to make better decisions or sometimes contenders give non-contenders PTBNL so that they can use the player as long as possible before trading him such as Micah Ownings last year and he…well the guy can hit…
Alright, how about this, Marcos Scutaro starred in the documentary A Player to be Named Later which was, you know, alright.
by Sokojoe on Aug 25, 2009 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Plus, it could be based on how Wags performs. So let’s cheer for good Wagner down the stretch.
by DannyMetsGeek on Aug 25, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was anticlimactic
Nothing like “PTBNL” to kill anticipation
by The 'Ropolitans on Aug 25, 2009 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What's the legality on
the Sox picking up his option after the season and then sending Wagner back to us as the PTBNL?
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
by Evan_S on Aug 25, 2009 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
so
do PTBNL have to have cleared waivers to be traded, or is that a way to get around the post-trade deadline restrictions by naming them after the season is over?
by -ben- on Aug 25, 2009 1:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
you got it
it’s a way to get around the waiver restrictions.
by firejerrymanuel on Aug 25, 2009 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Boston Globe
“…a trade that would send two mid-range minor leaguers to New York…”
by The 'Ropolitans on Aug 25, 2009 1:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I guess no news on money and BoSox option/arbitrations commitments?
by alexSVK on Aug 25, 2009 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
red sox picking up whole salary
declining option
have right to offer arb.
by firejerrymanuel on Aug 25, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heyman
#redsox agreed to pay the rest of wagner’s salary, which is $2-mil-plus, just for the five weeks.
by The 'Ropolitans on Aug 25, 2009 1:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
From the all possible outcomes
My personal favorite was hold Wagner during 2009 + arbitration = 2 draft picks
My least favorite was to trade for 1 or 2 nobody PTBNL non-prospects (I imagine 2 “Jeremy Reed”s)
by Michkin on Aug 25, 2009 1:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
my worst scenario was a salary dump.
Hopefully, the Mets did better.
by alexSVK on Aug 25, 2009 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
there are plenty of worse scenarios
than that.
by firejerrymanuel on Aug 25, 2009 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well,
if it’s true that BoSox is paying remaining Wagner’s salary, it cannot be worse scenario than the salary dump.
by alexSVK on Aug 25, 2009 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i meant
there are worse scenarios than salary dumping wagner.
like keeping him and having him get injured.
or having him suck.
etc.
by firejerrymanuel on Aug 25, 2009 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
this wasn't a clear cut situation
a lot of variables involved.
by firejerrymanuel on Aug 25, 2009 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well...
Wagner said he didn’t want arbitration and the Mets seemed determined to “do right” by him. I.e. let him find a place to be the closer. That is less likely if they offer arbitration and the signing team has to give up picks.
by blains2000 on Aug 25, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
this trade is
EPIC FAIL
"Solo homers usually come with no one on base." -Ralph Kiner
by metsguy234 on Aug 25, 2009 1:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
not really
you don’t even know who the PTBNL are.
by firejerrymanuel on Aug 25, 2009 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
AA-level prospects
"Solo homers usually come with no one on base." -Ralph Kiner
by metsguy234 on Aug 25, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
source
http://twitter.com/NYPost_Mets/status/3539250024
"Solo homers usually come with no one on base." -Ralph Kiner
by metsguy234 on Aug 25, 2009 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe he's
Lenny Dykstra who when he was with the phils heard about Von Hayes getting traded and said, “Great trade! Who’d we get?”
by blains2000 on Aug 25, 2009 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So wait
Everyone killed the Mets for not getting rid of Sheffield and now killing them for getting rid of Wagner. Huh?
by blains2000 on Aug 25, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sheffield wasn't going to get the Mets two draft picks for signing with another team
by Cox813 on Aug 25, 2009 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So we know
the Mets were going to offer him arbitration?
by blains2000 on Aug 25, 2009 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
People are assuming "do right by him" = not picking up his option nor offering arbitration
When "do right by him" can mean anything.
by Michkin on Aug 25, 2009 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
True we don't know
but everyone has made up their minds already.
Plus, with the Sheffield thing why let him go if all you are going to get back is a Wilson Valdez, Anderson Hernandez or Lance Broadway type? Why NOT keep him? Everyone assumes that whatever the gotten would have been good. And everyone assumes that whatever they get now will be bad.
by blains2000 on Aug 25, 2009 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sheff and Wagner are 2 different situations
Sheff is not projected to be a Type A nor B free agent. When this season ends, he’ll walk away and the Mets won’t get anything if he goes to another team. So, if the Mets could trade for any lowly prospect, it would be profit already.
Wagner is projected to be Type A free agent. So, he is worth 2 high draft picks next year (1st round pick + suplemental or suplemental + 2nd round pick)*. If the Mets are going to trade Wagner, they should at least require 2 draft picks equivalent to what they would receive next year (not considering his remaining salary or his production this year).
by Michkin on Aug 25, 2009 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, Mets are always wrong but
Sheffield has value now. He can help the team win games now. The team’s goal is to win games. To get fans to come to the stadium and spend their money. It’s easy to sit at the NY Post and say, “Lose all your games. What does it matter?” But that’s not reality. They are still trying to make money. I don’t see the sense in giving away Sheffield. Why not release him outright at that point?
Wagner, I thnk is a more complicated situation. Do I think the Mets did the best thing? No, but I think they did okay. Wagner is not going to be on the Mets next year. They are going to decline his option. Who knows if they offer arbitration or not. But what if he gets hurt in September? Then they are screwed.
by blains2000 on Aug 25, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If it's players to be named later
Doesn’t that usually mean, post deadline at least, it’s players on the roster?
by Gina on Aug 25, 2009 1:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
their double-a team is
the portland sea dogs
let me check out the sea dogs roster
"Solo homers usually come with no one on base." -Ralph Kiner
by metsguy234 on Aug 25, 2009 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the roster
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portland_Sea_Dogs#2009_roster
"Solo homers usually come with no one on base." -Ralph Kiner
by metsguy234 on Aug 25, 2009 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ryan Kalish, Josh Reddick, Mark Wagner
among others…
King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president
by Sam Page on Aug 25, 2009 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Reddick is in AAA Pawtucket
I live in Providence, so I see the AAA team regularly
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by firejerrynow on Aug 25, 2009 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
doubront
and he’s on the 40 man.
by firejerrymanuel on Aug 25, 2009 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
...Lars Anderson? That would be a dream.
Trying to believe is my full-time occupation.
by Preach19 on Aug 25, 2009 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Deadline deal
Boston Globe…
WEEI.com’s Joe Haggerty just tweeted the following:
Billy Wagner’s agent, Bean Stringfellow, emailed me…Wagner waived his no-trade. Stringfellow: “He changed his mind last minute.”
by The 'Ropolitans on Aug 25, 2009 1:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
whats the deal?
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
by firejerrynow on Aug 25, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wagner for two PTBNL
Sox pick up whole contract. No option. Will offer arb.
by The 'Ropolitans on Aug 25, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't like it
until I know who the PTBNL are. Usually they’re some A loser
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
by firejerrynow on Aug 25, 2009 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
they're 2 double-a players
"Solo homers usually come with no one on base." -Ralph Kiner
by metsguy234 on Aug 25, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
any links?
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
by firejerrynow on Aug 25, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm going to miss you most of all
Bean Stringfellow.
by mets81 on Aug 25, 2009 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Has the trade happened?
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
by firejerrynow on Aug 25, 2009 1:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
according to Heyman
2 players to be named later
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
by firejerrynow on Aug 25, 2009 1:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
idle speculation
doubront is on the 40 and on the AA team.
by firejerrymanuel on Aug 25, 2009 1:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah he's the only one on both
I don’t completely understand how post deadline deals work but wouldn’t they have to be on the 40 to have to be players to be named later.
by Gina on Aug 25, 2009 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no.
a player on the 40 has to be a PTBL.
but any player can be named later.
by firejerrymanuel on Aug 25, 2009 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well that's what I meant
those are the only players who HAVE to be players to be named later.
by Gina on Aug 25, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Olney says no top prospects in deal...
Hooray cheapness and stupidity!
by Syler on Aug 25, 2009 2:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
YES!!!!!
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
by firejerrynow on Aug 25, 2009 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Awesome ...
and not surprising. Why trade the guy if you aren’t going to get the value of the 2 picks back? Are they really that cheap that 3.5mil in savings makes or breaks it?
by Balagast on Aug 25, 2009 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
But honestly, I prefer this trade to going through the pain of them not offering Billy arbitration.
Doubront and Exposito would be a pleasing haul for me at this point.
by DannyMetsGeek on Aug 25, 2009 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wishful thinking:
Maybe the money saved on Wagner’s salary and buyout will go towards 2010’s payroll. Thoughts?
by TheBigStapler on Aug 25, 2009 2:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Globe, again
It is not expected that any more than one of the two players the Sox are giving up will come from the 40-man roster, and neither is considered an upper-tier prospect.
by The 'Ropolitans on Aug 25, 2009 2:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Could that have been any less imformative?
Basically that guy said it could be anyone that isn’t “top tier”. Also, what do they mean by top-tier? Their top 10? Top 20? I really wish writers had an obligation to actually report some type of information before they were allowed to publish it.
by Balagast on Aug 25, 2009 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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