Mets Trade Billy Wagner To The Red Sox For Two PTBNL
by Sam Page on Aug 25, 2009 2:09 PM EDT
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According to SNY.tv. The Red Sox have agreed to decline Wagner's option but will retain the right to offer him arbitration. The two players to be named later will be from AA, according to Hubbuch.
Here's the stats on everyone who has played for Portland, Boston's AA team, this year.
Here's a list of Boston's prospects.
The Mets seemed pretty eager to get Wagner to waive his no-trade clause, which would seemingly indicate they really wanted the salary relief, or did not want offer him arbitration this offseason. More analysis when we figure out who the Mets will be receiving.
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boston globe saying
one man likely off the 40 man roster.
by firejerrymanuel on Aug 25, 2009 2:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
or perhaps not...
“It is not expected that any more than one of the two players the Sox are giving up will come from the 40-man roster, and neither is considered an upper-tier prospect. "
by firejerrymanuel on Aug 25, 2009 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ha that wording could literally mean anyone
King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president
by Sam Page on Aug 25, 2009 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can dream right?
That its Tazawa we got … wouldn’t that be really really nice. *pulls head out of clouds
by Balagast on Aug 25, 2009 2:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He's on the ML team
King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president
by Sam Page on Aug 25, 2009 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is there a timetable on when they will name the PTBNLs?
Do they have to wait until the end of the season or like a week or what? Is there a deadline for this sort of thing or it is completely at the disrection (sp?) of the teams involved? PTBNLs always confuse me.
Just know, if there's ever a riot at Citi Field and Oliver Perez was the starter, I started the riot.
by meigs1414 on Aug 25, 2009 2:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wags was one of my favorite Mets.
I’m not happy right now, but I understand the Mets’ predicament.
I just hope these two PTBNL’s are worth something.
Good Luck to Wags, and I hope he gets the ring he deserves.
by fxcarden on Aug 25, 2009 2:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I guess I wish him luck too
‘Just passed Billy Wagner in the team hotel as he was headed back to his room. He had a big grin and said, "I’m outta here!" ’
from: http://twitter.com/NYPost_Mets
"If on-base percentage is so important, then why don't they put it on the scoreboard?"
by hotspur on Aug 25, 2009 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Business is business.
Doesn’t make him a bad Met.
by fxcarden on Aug 25, 2009 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't blame him for being happy
He’s got a chance to win a ring.
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
by firejerrynow on Aug 25, 2009 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Would be people be happy?
With Doubront and Exposito?
by DannyMetsGeek on Aug 25, 2009 2:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
are you serious?
that would be a phenomenal haul.
i can’t imagine that would actually be the case though.
by firejerrymanuel on Aug 25, 2009 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well...
These guys are both C+ prospects, right? That seems the best-case scenario we can hope for at this point.
We probably could have gotten a legitimate prospect if we threw in money but this was obviously more of a salary dump than anything else.
I’m thinking the best we can hope for is one of those two and a nothing prospect. It will be interesting to see how it plays out.
by DannyMetsGeek on Aug 25, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure a legit prospect would have come just from paying some salary
We’re still talking about a late 30s pitcher coming off major elbow surgery.
by Gina on Aug 25, 2009 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tazawa is now in the majors. I doubt its him seriously......
anyway being from Greenville, SC I get to enjoy Greenville Drive games which are the Red Sox’s A team.
I really enjoyed watching Felix Doubront, Ryan Kalish, and Josh Reddick. Those 3 stand out at me.
I think Doubront has promise as a starter. I belive in 2008 he had more Ks than innings pitched (im not totally sure on that as I havent checked stats). Kalish and Reddick are positional players. I highly doubt we get Lars Anderson or Tazawa but that would be totally kick ass.
by RIPShea on Aug 25, 2009 2:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i'd scale down a lot of our expectations
there is no chance we get anderson, tazawa, kalish or reddick.
by firejerrymanuel on Aug 25, 2009 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yep
I checked Doubront’s stats from 2008 with the Greenville Drive.
109 innings pitched, 111 Ks and 23 BBs. Granted that was Single A but his GB to FB was 42 to 34 which doesn’t seem really great. The kid is left handed and only 21 years of age. I really like him
by RIPShea on Aug 25, 2009 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's temper our excitement
He’s 87-91 with an injury history and mediocre control. He’s a ceiling back-end guy.
He’s one of the guys I hope we got given the information we have, but he’s probably not even a B prospect.
by DannyMetsGeek on Aug 25, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
haven't his injuries
been non throwing arm related though?
like a hernia?
by firejerrymanuel on Aug 25, 2009 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Injuries
He supposedly battled “injuries” that year with the hernia surgery being the big one.
The Red Sox thought enough of the guy to put him on the 40-man and protect him from the Rule V draft. He’s not insignificant but no great shakes from what I see.
by DannyMetsGeek on Aug 25, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
omar
is a good scout.
i’m comfortable trusting him in that regard.
by firejerrymanuel on Aug 25, 2009 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll be happy
for anyone who has a future in the big leagues
President of the Ramses Barden Fan Club
by Hoyadestroya85 on Aug 25, 2009 2:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
1 is likely lower than double-A
http://twitter.com/nyp_joelsherman/status/3539907156
#Redsox feel they r giving up non-prospects, 1 will probably be D-A and 1 lower than that
-Joel Sherman, NY Post
"Solo homers usually come with no one on base." -Ralph Kiner
by metsguy234 on Aug 25, 2009 2:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
sherman
is also a huge idiot.
but … that’s doesn’t really matter when it comes to sources, i suppose.
by firejerrymanuel on Aug 25, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yea, the red sox think they're non-prospects
but maybe the mets know better. and then i woke up from my wonderful dream…
by englishgrey on Aug 25, 2009 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you never know
look at the gagne trade
by firejerrymanuel on Aug 25, 2009 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
refresh my memory...
what was the gagne trade?
by gbaked on Aug 25, 2009 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
“The Red Sox sent left-hander Kason Gabbard and minor league outfielders David Murphy and Engel Beltre to the Rangers to land Gagne”
by firejerrymanuel on Aug 25, 2009 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
true
but were those non-prospects? i know gabbard had been up with the red sox that season.
by englishgrey on Aug 25, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe, maybe not
but it shows that boston is not omniscient.
by firejerrymanuel on Aug 25, 2009 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
they're not infallible
but i think their front office is more savvy than the mets’ FO
by englishgrey on Aug 25, 2009 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe so
that doesn’t mean omar can’t steal a prospect.
by firejerrymanuel on Aug 25, 2009 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
None of those players have done anything
despite beltre’s potential
King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president
by Sam Page on Aug 25, 2009 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
they've done more than
gagne did.
david murphy is a big leaguer, and a fairly useful one at that.
by firejerrymanuel on Aug 25, 2009 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
true, but
Gagne was horrific.. Without PEDs, he’s been nothing.
President of the Ramses Barden Fan Club
by Hoyadestroya85 on Aug 25, 2009 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have a hunch
one of the players we got was Gabbard. Since he’s already been in the majors. Seems like a Minaya-type acquisition.
Trying to believe is my full-time occupation.
by Preach19 on Aug 25, 2009 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Manhattan-born Aaron Bates?
http://statcorner.com/batterAJAX.php?id=488686&team=PRT&year=2009&leag=EAS
Had a good cup of coffee last year…
"If on-base percentage is so important, then why don't they put it on the scoreboard?"
by hotspur on Aug 25, 2009 2:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
My guess would be
Joe McEwing and Tim Bogar.
"I was so frustrated [Saturday], I [could have said] anything," ~Oliver Perez
by Lance Johnson on Aug 25, 2009 2:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
listen
i know we all got worked into a type A frenzy, but there is a ton of risk associated with wagner.
we cleared 3.5 million. that in itself is good.
by firejerrymanuel on Aug 25, 2009 2:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Why?
Are they actually going to use that money to add to the team down the road.
by Balagast on Aug 25, 2009 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No. That is how much it will cost to lower the fences at Citi.
by fxcarden on Aug 25, 2009 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ha
I mean if they actually used the money towards signing international FA’s or having gone more aggressively in the draft it would be different.
We aren’t the darn Pittsburgh Pirates, we shouldn’t be needing to cut 3.5mil in salary for the sake of salary relief.
by Balagast on Aug 25, 2009 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he would've been off our payroll this offseason anyway
it doesnt make a difference
"Solo homers usually come with no one on base." -Ralph Kiner
by metsguy234 on Aug 25, 2009 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it makes up 3.5 million difference
i dont know how that doesn’t help!
by RIPShea on Aug 25, 2009 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It doesn't really make a difference this year
And if we’re trading a type A free agent for non prospects for no other reason than to save 3.5 million dollars, then unless they’re having serious financial problems that’s kind of a bad baseball decision.
by Gina on Aug 25, 2009 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
on that note
and I know it really doent mean much.
but my company finance VP was telling me that people he is close and also close with the wilpons told him that the Madoff thing hit them WAY WAY WAY worse then they are letting on publicly.
and no… i have no links or any way to prove it.
by gbaked on Aug 25, 2009 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've heard that as well
They believed their account was worth 700 Million and structured their finances accordingly -
what losers
by toad16 on Aug 25, 2009 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It wouldn't surprise me
My issue has always been that the mets should make enough money that, unless the Wilpons are just trying to squeeze as much profit out of everything they have, the Wilpons personal finances shouldn’t be forcing them to cut 3.5 million dollar salaries. The Mets as a “brand” I guess should be pretty self sufficient.
by Gina on Aug 25, 2009 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Considering future implications
Drastic payroll cut (No!), trading our “expensive” stars (No!), selling the team (YES!)
by Michkin on Aug 25, 2009 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
we don't need to pay him next year
he can go to another team, his contract is up
"Solo homers usually come with no one on base." -Ralph Kiner
by metsguy234 on Aug 25, 2009 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
*could have gone to another team
"Solo homers usually come with no one on base." -Ralph Kiner
by metsguy234 on Aug 25, 2009 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i thought the risk of him accepting arb was pretty low
he’s stated pretty clearly he wants to close so he can break franco’s save record, and the mets weren’t going to be able to provide him with that opportunity.
by englishgrey on Aug 25, 2009 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
except
who knows what happens the next month?
and who is dying to sign a 39 year old closer owed Type A compensation?
by firejerrymanuel on Aug 25, 2009 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Omar
signed Alou before the Giants even had to decide whether he was worth offering arbitration.
by DannyMetsGeek on Aug 25, 2009 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So best case scenario
We keep Wagner, fire Omar. New gm offers Wagner arbitration, he declines, Omar gets hired somewhere else and signs him.
by Gina on Aug 25, 2009 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
someone re-hiring omar as GM
now that’s a long shot.
by englishgrey on Aug 25, 2009 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
To dream....
the impossible dream
by DannyMetsGeek on Aug 25, 2009 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
tampa rays
they signed percival. didn’t really work out that well, but they signed him.
sure, there was a risk if the mets were banking on the draft picks, but i think it was a reasonable risk to take.
by englishgrey on Aug 25, 2009 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brad Como
News Director from SNY…
SNY has learned that Johan Santana will undergo minor elbow surgery and should be ready by Spring Training.
by The 'Ropolitans on Aug 25, 2009 2:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Well
at least he won’t damage it further by lobbying to pitch more.
Just know, if there's ever a riot at Citi Field and Oliver Perez was the starter, I started the riot.
by meigs1414 on Aug 25, 2009 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you messed up
“well you know johan he lobby to pitch more”
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
by firejerrynow on Aug 25, 2009 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah for Bone Chips!!
This is what I thought last night, I made a comment saying Surgery isn’t the end of the world. Even the Mets weren’t dumb enough to have him pitch with something that was structurally messed up.
by Balagast on Aug 25, 2009 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if it's just bone chips
it’s actually probably good news.
let’s him rest up. save some bullets
by firejerrymanuel on Aug 25, 2009 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed.
As long as he’s not flying to Alabama.
by The 'Ropolitans on Aug 25, 2009 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's just bone chips
Amputation on Thursday.
by fxcarden on Aug 25, 2009 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
+1
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
by firejerrynow on Aug 25, 2009 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think I'm gonna stop watching games this year
"Solo homers usually come with no one on base." -Ralph Kiner
by metsguy234 on Aug 25, 2009 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Look, let's be honest
We all know these prospects are going to suck, and there’s no way they’re going to be more valuable than the draft picks the Mets would get if they offered him arbitration and he signed somewhere else.
I hate PTBNL.
by JoshNY on Aug 25, 2009 2:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Well if we're going to be completely honest
Then we might as well ALL jump on the Pirates bandwagon, since they suck enough that we could go through enough losing seasons before they turn it around to be considered legit fans, since we know the mets front office will continue to do stupid and prevent us from obtaining anything other than tears.
by Gina on Aug 25, 2009 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
If we werent getting anything of signifgance in return for him I feel we should have helf on to him for the year, ate the money owed to him, let him showcase his stuff and durability and then offered him arbitration in the offseason. We easily could have gotten two picks for him. Worst case he doesnt resign anywhere ala Juan Cruz and we sign and trade him just as the D’Backs did this offseason…. This just seems like we made a move to make a move so to speak
by tbach81 on Aug 25, 2009 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
my brother in law in Boston says that their media is reporting the Mets asked for Exposito
apprently Boston was reluctant. Can’t find any confirmation of this on the web so take it with a grain of salt I guess.
by Endys Game on Aug 25, 2009 3:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Because it's a funny name:
Bean Stringfellow
(Billy Wags’s agent)
by JoshNY on Aug 25, 2009 3:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
"Bean" is a nickname, presumably?
But how can anyone with the last name “Stringfellow” possibly not immediately re-christen himself “Hawke”?
by anonymous on Aug 25, 2009 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I bet it will be the catcher, Apodaca
because Omar’s heard of that name and knows Bob Apodaca.
by David G on Aug 25, 2009 3:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Omar, per Berg on Metsblog:
Billy, basically, had an opportunity to pitch in the pennant race and we were able to get two prospects for him, and we felt it was the right thing to do.
So despite the fact that Wagner had to be coaxed into this, they were doing it to help him out. Right.
by Mount17 on Aug 25, 2009 3:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It's called "spin"
Or rather, bull-shit
Just know, if there's ever a riot at Citi Field and Oliver Perez was the starter, I started the riot.
by meigs1414 on Aug 25, 2009 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
his luck adjusted
numbers are much better.
.860 OPS, .900 vs. RHP.
he has a really high LD% and a relatively shitty BABIP, so it seems like there is some truth the matter.
by firejerrymanuel on Aug 25, 2009 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Amazing he found the time for baseball
after all the work he did on The X-Files.
by anonymous on Aug 25, 2009 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh boy 26 YO AAAA 1B
much better than first round picks
King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president
by Sam Page on Aug 25, 2009 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Money talks
Wilpon’s seemingly have little of it; also I’m on the I will be shocked if we would have gotten a draft pick out of this camp.
by Willninho on Aug 25, 2009 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not really a true
AAAA player.
by firejerrymanuel on Aug 25, 2009 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I actually agree with you here
Chris Carter would be a much better type of return than I was expecting. He has a chance to be a decent player, and at the very least, give the organization a chance to give Ike Davis some breathing room next year if we do eventually find out he’s Quad-A bound.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Meddler on Aug 25, 2009 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Though I also agree with Sam that I'd have prefered the picks
But if the Mets are getting a few mil in salary relief, its close enough to a decent value where its not worth flipping out over.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Meddler on Aug 25, 2009 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
it seems unlikely the mets, given the financial situation they’re in, were going to gamble 3.5 million on billy pitching well enough the rest of the year to make it abundantly certain that a team would sacrifice their first round pick on signing him and that he wouldn’t get shut out this winter and come back to the mets for 8-10 million.
try selling that to the wilpons, who would then have the honor of paying those two picks, which i’m sure they’d love to do.
by firejerrymanuel on Aug 25, 2009 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yup, pretty much my sentiment
Understanding the shortcomings of the management structure, this was about as well as we should have expected to do, lol.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Meddler on Aug 25, 2009 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's understandable
but disappointing for a team playing in new york with a $140 million payroll. they should be more concerned about the long-term value of two draft picks over the short-term value of saving $3.5 million.
by englishgrey on Aug 25, 2009 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
But Carter may well be a bit undervalued. He does have above average power. He’s a pretty piss poor fielder, both according to reports and TotalZone, but there’s some offensive potential. 10.3% HR/BIA in Triple-A last year, 7.1% this year, those marks are very good and decent, respectively. And that’s paired with a pretty decent contact rate, too, and no significant platoon split. BB% is meh, but he puts the ball in play enough. He could be a useful player next year.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Meddler on Aug 25, 2009 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and RE: his "smarts"
at least he’s conscious of his failings, unlike francine.
you can’t get better if you don’t admit you’re flawed.
is he really that different from russell branyan, minus branyan’s better ability to draw walks?
and keep in mind that carter has always been able to hit lefties for avg/OBP, just minus some power, a claim that branyan could never make.
by firejerrymanuel on Aug 25, 2009 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
Branyan can also field a little bit, but I agree that otherwise seems like he could be a similar value. The contact rate could/should make up for the BB% difference, though we’ll have to see how well Carter’s power plays at Citi.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Meddler on Aug 25, 2009 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
don't forget signing bonuses
That’s why getting a prospect is significantly more valuable than getting a compensation draft pick, all else equal — you don’t have to pay a prospect the multi-million dollar signing bonus.
by T Pac on Aug 25, 2009 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was the common assumption aout Heath Bell, Nelson Cruz, and Jack Cust as well.
Carter hasn’t really had enough of a chance to be labeled AAAA yet.
"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green
by Schmidtxc on Aug 25, 2009 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
good point
he’s not a something, but he’s not a nothing either.
by firejerrymanuel on Aug 25, 2009 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's only got 25 ML AB's
He’s got a career .885 OPS in the minors. He’s a decent return for Wagner.
"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green
by Schmidtxc on Aug 25, 2009 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd almost prefer they were just A-ball guys
At least there might be some reward potential then. Stolmy Pimintel FTW!
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Meddler on Aug 25, 2009 5:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wagner approved the deal because he wants to pitch in the playoffs
It would be interesting to see the Rays get the wildcard and leave the Sox out.
by Michkin on Aug 25, 2009 5:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
So long Billy,
I’ll always remember you-
for speaking your mind,
getting on the case of every one of your teammates,
and for never letting the fact that you were stinking up the joint
get in the way of expressing your opinion.
My lasting memory of Wagner will be the time I saw him blow a 4-0 lead that Pedro had handed him against the Yankees at Shea in 2006.
by coyote522000 on Aug 25, 2009 6:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
4:39pm: The Boston Herald reports that the Mets will acquire Triple A outfielder Chris Carter in the deal. The second player, whose identity remains unknown, is apparently "not of significance."
by viktor06 on Aug 25, 2009 6:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
My only question
Is if its Carter, why does he have to be a PTBNL? Is it just that the two teams cut it so close to the deadline that the official submission was listed as PTBNLs so the details could be worked out?
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Meddler on Aug 25, 2009 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, that's probably it.
Don’t they normally submit a list of players to pick from, and the team decides later?
The PTBNL list was probably Dustin Pedroia, Jon Lester, or Chris Carter.
by Mex_17 on Aug 25, 2009 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hes on the 40man
wouldnt he have to go through waivers or something? not sure
by viktor06 on Aug 25, 2009 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is that true?
In a way that makes sense, but it seems a bit strange, in that it would make a trade like this virtually impossible to pull off after the deadline. Why wouldn’t anyone claim Carter? You’d think the first time in line would be willing to add a player like this if only for depth.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Meddler on Aug 25, 2009 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
First team in line*
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Meddler on Aug 25, 2009 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
nobody said
they put him on waivers yet
they could give him to us after this season.
by firejerrymanuel on Aug 25, 2009 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, its just kind of a shame
It’d be nice to get a look at him for a month this year.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Meddler on Aug 25, 2009 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh wait, duh
That’s why he’s a PTBNL, lol, duh. Good call
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Meddler on Aug 25, 2009 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chris Carter is "of significance"?
Whatever…I knew we wouldn’t get anything for Wagner, so no big deal. Firstbaseman like Carter are a dime a dozen, every team has 10 of them.
The Sox have way too many 1B, and that was before getting Kotchman. Carter is the worst of their 1B depth, but maybe he becomes our top 1B. Who knows.
by Mex_17 on Aug 25, 2009 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who are the 10 Chris Carters in the Mets organization?
"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green
by Schmidtxc on Aug 25, 2009 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
At this point
We don’t have 10 (healthy) Chris Carters on the major league roster.
by Gina on Aug 25, 2009 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Every team...
…except ours.
by dontstopbelieving on Aug 25, 2009 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chris Carter
"Extremely intelligent, Carter is a real student of hitting, and has demonstrated success with the bat at every level. Excellent power with the potential for more. Hits for average and consistently gets on base at a very good clip. Hits lefties and righties well. Below average speed. In the field, Carter has spent much of his career at 1B but was moved to the outfield in 2008. He has always been known as a poor fielder, and still doesn’t look particularly comfortable at any position. He has focused on his glove and footwork and has improved slightly, but still not enough."
Great, so we have a PhD, who can’t field a lick, can’t run a lick, and hits .280 at AAA, which is about .240 at this level.
by fxcarden on Aug 25, 2009 6:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He'll fit right in.
We’re amassing 4A players. Or maybe this is the first step in rebuilding Buffalo’s roster.
by Mex_17 on Aug 25, 2009 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we have so many 4A players. why is Buffalo so bad?
"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green
by Schmidtxc on Aug 25, 2009 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe our 4A players are really 2.5A players? :-)
by Mex_17 on Aug 25, 2009 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then we're not really amassing 4A players
"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green
by Schmidtxc on Aug 25, 2009 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is that an oxymoron?
"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green
by Schmidtxc on Aug 25, 2009 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought so
until our AAAA players proved there was definitely a lesser end of AAAA talent.
by Gina on Aug 25, 2009 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
AAAA guys are usually good minor leaguers that struggle in the majors.
Most of the guys we’ve used suck in the minors.
"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green
by Schmidtxc on Aug 25, 2009 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Probably because our guys in AAA are AA players
And all the AAA and AAAA players are up with the Mets.
See: Reyes, Argenis; Ambres, Chip; Figueroa, Nelson; Takahashi, Ken.
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by Steeeve on Aug 25, 2009 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yay!
I luv the Metz!
I.M. Forme
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by itsmetsforme on Aug 25, 2009 6:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Seems like an ok return to me, former good prospect, struggling at age 26~
dont write him off, hes probably a top 20 mets prospect at this point
by viktor06 on Aug 25, 2009 6:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
from NY Post twitter
I can’t get the link, but here’s the quote
Jerry Manuel said he doesn’t expect Oliver Perez to make his next scheduled start Friday at the Cubs. Pat Misch is being considered.
Excellent
Rotation: Figgy, Pelf, Redding, Misch, Parnell
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by firejerrynow on Aug 25, 2009 6:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That's worse than the Nationals rotation
by Syler on Aug 25, 2009 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the nats are better than us right now
they have a much better offense
Willingham, Dunn, Zimmerman vs Murphy, Tatis and Francoeur
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
by firejerrynow on Aug 25, 2009 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You say that
as if having Perez in the rotation makes it better.
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by Steeeve on Aug 25, 2009 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
true
Misch can’t be worse
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
by firejerrynow on Aug 25, 2009 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Put Takahashi in Pelf's spot and we have a fearsome rotation
by Michkin on Aug 25, 2009 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
fearsome is right...
it’s scaring me just thinking about it.
by erich10031 on Aug 25, 2009 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This sounds so much worse than draft pick compensation
by JoshNY on Aug 25, 2009 7:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Except we'd have gone safe with the draft picks, and ended up with a younger, less developed Chris Carter.
"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green
by Schmidtxc on Aug 25, 2009 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
Hopefully, with or top pick next year we take a top 5 talent that falls because of signability and gets paid over slot, like Pelfrey ,and Matzek this year (not that we can’t get a top 5 pick the easy way with this roster). If we do that, no way they would go high-price high-reward with other first round/sandwich picks.
by Mount17 on Aug 25, 2009 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
All right maybe I am missing something with the Carter bashing...
His AAA stats are not awful and it seems to me the only reason why he was not given a long look at the MLB level ( you know, more than 26 PAs) was he was blocked by mostly Youk and Papi, and, to a lesser extent, LaRoche and Kotchman. While I agree I’d rather have the two high picks, this is not exactly the worst move Omar’s made.
Unless I am misreading his page on fangraphs…
Just know, if there's ever a riot at Citi Field and Oliver Perez was the starter, I started the riot.
by meigs1414 on Aug 25, 2009 10:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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