The Quotable Mr. Wagner
With Billy Wagner heading to Boston, I wanted to put together a farewell post, much like was done for Marlon Anderson and Ramon Castro. Given Billy's propensity for memorable quotes, I went through news archives to find some of the best from his time as a Met. Here they are, in chronological order:
11/29/05 - Philadelphia Inquirer, On the difference between the Mets and the Phillies, after he signed with the Mets:
The Mets are trying to win a World Series. I felt like this was the right place to be. There's a difference between winning and being competitive. In the end, I thought (the Phillies) were more interested in being competitive than winning.
3/7/06 - SI.com, On how the Mets successfully wooed him before he signed with them in November:
They had to win over [my wife] Sarah by showing her that this is a family organization. They included her, they talked to her, and they wanted her opinion. My wife's the opposite of me -- she's someone everybody likes, and she's very quiet. Not like me, the guy everybody thinks is a jerk.
On New York City life:
I'll be playing ball. I'm not going to have much time to do things. I'm not excited about the traffic. I told Tom Glavine that he's welcome to drive and I'll drive in with him. I'm just a country boy, but I can fit in.
5/9/06, ESPN.com, Regarding comments he made while still a Phillie in July 2005, saying that the Phillies "ain't got a chance" of making the playoffs:
I don't really regret saying anything. We needed to quit worrying about little piddly things and play the game and play hard and quit worrying about our hair or what's going on after the game.
5/21/06, Daily News, On his lack of adrenaline in non-save situations, after he blew a 4-0 lead against the Yankees:
As a closer, sometimes you're not into the game mentally with a 4-0 lead.
Commentary: This is one of my least favorite baseball related quotes of all-time.
5/22/06, New York Post, Billy somewhat redeems his previous comments:
I've got to be ready for that. I do. I just wasn't anticipating. But that's my job.
Commentary: Damn right it's your job!
8/20/06, New York Times, On how he learned to throw 100 mph with such a small body:
When I was growing up, I didn't have a coach who told me, 'This is how you do it.' They just said, 'Hey, get on the mound, throw at the mitt and take it from there.'
10/14/06, ESPN.com, On the significance of the day he gave up 3 runs in the 9th inning of NLCS Game 2:
Aahhhh, Friday the 13th. Well, I know after 10 years and almost 300 saves, I've been asked about weirder stuff.
10/20/06, Times Herald-Record, On his playoff failures:
These are the games that define your year. I'm the one who has to live with pitching crappy.
2/21/07, MLB.com, More reflection on the 2006 playoffs:
I had nothing left when we went to St. Louis.
5/16/07, New York Post, Not a spoken quote, but the infamous sign Billy hung in Lastings Milledge's locker:
KNOW YOUR PLACE, ROOK
7/10/07, ESPN.com, On surrendering a 2-run homer to Victor Martinez in the All Star Game:
What happens with closers in that situation is that sometimes you get a little too much adrenaline.
Commentary: So I guess the key to closing is to achieve the right level of adrenaline - not too much, not too little?
10/1/07, New York Magazine, Responding to critics of the Mets bullpen:
We’ve been throwing four innings a night—for months! Our pitching coach [Rick Peterson] has no experience talking to a bullpen. He can help you mechanically, but he can’t tell you the emotions. He has no idea what it feels like. And neither does Willie [Randolph]. They’re not a lot of help, put it that way.
Note: Billy did backtrack from some of these comments, praising Randolph and Peterson for their leadership.
11/27/07, MLB.com, On the bullpen going forward from September collapse:
I understand what Willie wants -- for a lot of guys to be able to pitch whenever they're needed for as long as he needs them. I'm not sure you can have that. Guys are used to having roles. They'll take the ball because that's what the job is and that's what the manager wants. But the idea is to get them into situations where they can be successful. I mean, you wouldn't ask Carlos Delgado to bunt.
12/14/07, MLB.com, On PEDs and the Mitchell Report:
I know there's more to it than throwing as hard as I can. But sometimes I just think how cool it is that I can throw harder than most guys. When it says 96, 97 on the gun, on the scoreboard, you know someone's going to ask, 'How can a guy 5-10 throw that hard?' Then they'll start wondering, 'Did he use? Did he use and just not get caught?'
3/28/08, MLB.com, Providing his outlook on the 2008 season:
We didn't just come in second last year. We took a step backwards. Nobody's scared to play us anymore. We've got to build that up again... We should be scarier with him [Johan Santana]. But we shouldn't assume that we will be. Right from the first inning, we have to play with that urgency we all know we didn't have most of last year. But we get 30-35 starts from Johan Santana. That makes us tougher. We can say we have a bigger margin for error because of him. And we do. But we can't start thinking like that.
4/19/08, Daily News, On Philly fans cheering Jose Reyes's collision with Chase Utley:
It's really sad when humanity comes to the point where somebody getting hurt, it's fun to watch. It's sad when that happens. Nobody wants anybody to get hurt. I don't want Jimmy Rollins getting hurt. I don't want Pat Burrell to get hurt. I don't want none of these guys. I want to compete against these guys because they're the best, and you want to beat the best. You don't want excuses. When you see Reyes laying there - it's a tough shot, a clean play - and the fans cheering that he's hurt, that just goes and shows you volumes about where our society is headed.
4/21/08, Daily News, On the Joba Chamberlain bullpen debate:
The Joba thing, to me, there's no question about where he should be. He's in the pen and that's where he should stay. He's dominating out there, so you want him comfortable, just doing what he's doing. You don't want him thinking, 'Well, if I'm going to be starting (at some point), do I need to work on my other pitches to keep that stuff sharp?' You don't want to give him anything that might have him wondering, 'What do I do?' You don't want to put anything in his head except getting those three outs in the eighth inning.
5/1/08, Daily News, On Oliver Perez's 1.2 IP, 7 run start vs. the Pirates:
Perez has honestly got to step up and know that we've just used every guy in our bullpen the night before. He can't come out there and decide that gee, he hasn't got it today, and so be it.
5/16/08, New York Times, Criticizing teammates for leaving the locker room without facing the media (with video!):
Can somebody tell me why the f***ing closer’s being interviewed and I didn’t even play? Why they’re over there not getting interviewed? I get it. They’re gone. F***ing shocker.
Note: Billy later apologized for the comments.
7/23/08, New York Post, On what Jerry Manuel says to him when he messes up. It's also probably a subtle dig at Willie Randolph for lack of support:
When you make a mistake, he [Jerry Manuel] says, 'It's OK, just continue to play fearless.'
9/12/08, New York Post, On his Mets future, after having arm surgery:
I've played my last day as a Met, that's the way it goes.
7/18/09, New York Post, On his role upon returning from injury this season:
[I'll be] a Brian Stokes-type player [who] might pitch once a week.
8/25/09, Bart Hubbuch's Twitter, On being traded to the Red Sox:
I'm outta here!
Although I didn't care for some his comments in the media, namely ones that threw teammates under the bus, I'll certainly have fond memories of Billy. He threw hard, racked up strikeouts, had a cool theme song (he used it before Mariano Rivera did), and the Mets were a better team when he was available to pitch.
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"[I'll be] a Brian Stokes-type player [who] might pitch once a week."
one of the best unintentionally funny quotes
Who is Brian Stokes?
Grission and Husart - that is either the non-union Mexican equivelant of "Starsky and Hutch" or the key to winning the World Series.
There is an idea of a Brian Stokes.
Some kind of abstraction. But there is no real Stokes – only an entity. Something illusory. And though he can hide his cold gaze and you can shake his hand and feel flesh gripping yours and maybe you can even sense that your lifestyles are probably comparable – Stokes simply is not there
by James Kannengieser on Aug 26, 2009 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Very literary.
Reminds me of the fate of Tyrone Slothrop in Pynchon’s “Gravity’s Rainbow.”
by madisonmetsfan on Aug 26, 2009 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Brian Stokes is a persona
Played by a collective group of what-should-have-beens the 2009 Mets talent. This spirit has no face, but briefly solidifies a body in high leverage situations (tie game, 8th inning, bases loaded, no outs), only to vanish after striking out 2 and inducing an infield pop up. There is some evidence this Socks person is a reincarnation of Ingmar Bergman or Carl Jung.
He's also probably the best healthy player on this team outside of Slappy...
Who in the hell would have thought that at the beginning of the year, Slappy and Socks would be our two most valuable remaining players?
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.
You know, I was going to test the accuracy of that statement,
and then I got the Mets’ Fangraphs page for this season. And it is depressing as all hell. Take a look. Castillo and Pagan are the 2 most valuable players on the team right now. Our pitching staff, as it currently stands, is worth exactly 0.1 WAR – thank Jeebus for Figgy.
by BobbyV_Incognito on Aug 26, 2009 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I think the one where he criticizes Perez is great
Because Perez does the same thing now.
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
His rebuttal to Papelbon's comment:
I’m paraphrasing here:
Papelbon – [Our bullpen is good enough without Billy]
Wagner – [He hasn’t walked in my shoes! F**K Papelbon!]
Oh man…I can’t wait till he gets over there to see what the “chemistry” will be like!
" GIVE ME A BASEBALL GAME, A HOT DOG AND SOMEONE WHO IS NOT SITTING IN FRONT OF ME WITH A COWBOY HAT ON, AND I'M A HAPPY GUY. "
by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Aug 26, 2009 8:01 AM EDT reply actions
My guess
is that it ends with a fight to the death. Just wait until Papelbon blows a save.
by BobbyV_Incognito on Aug 26, 2009 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions
I always thought Billy was kind of a jerk
but he was a good pitcher and pretty frank with the media, so I’ll give him credit.
Anyway, he was the best Mets closer I can remember (shuddering, while thinking about Benitez).
Benitez
always gets hated on for one horrendous year when he blew all those saves. In his four and a half years he was spectacular in 1999, (14.77 K/9, 2.10 FIP) good in 2000 and 2002 (3.56 and 3.41 FIP, 12.55 and 10.56 K/9 respectively) below average in 2001 (4.27 FIP & 10.97 K/9) and the just horrible when he blew 7 saves in 45 games in 2003 before we traded him. It wasn’t pretty, but he’s not as bad as most remember.
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
Yes I realize this
but our memories tend to recall the awful moments before the general everyday solidness. Unfortunately, those will always come to mind w/ regards to Benitez. I think we can all agree that Looper flat sucked though.
With Benitez
It wasn’t the numbers, it was the game situation. The man could not close any game that had any importance at all.
For the most part, these quotes are awesome.
He was really saying whatever he actually thought, as opposed to the canned BS that most ballplayers give you 99% of the time.
And the quote about his wife is an Epic Win:
My wife’s the opposite of me — she’s someone everybody likes, and she’s very quiet. Not like me, the guy everybody thinks is a jerk.
I love it.
We've got ourselves a ball club, the Mets of New York town!
Are you suggesting
Derek Jeter doesn’t give his honest opinions, stating what he truly feels needs to be said no matter how much people won’t like it?
Sorry, but when I think of player BS, he’s the first who comes to mind. Has he ever had an opinion about anything?
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
Yes, he likes Fords, and Steinbrenner can do no wrong.
That’s about it.
We've got ourselves a ball club, the Mets of New York town!
by kingcritical on Aug 26, 2009 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Canned responses
Concur wholeheartedly. I’d have to say that 90% of the time when I here the first couple of sentences out of a player’s mouth when being interviewed, my eyes tend to glaze over ears tend to block out all sound and I turn the channel.
" THE METS 2009 SEASON HAS BEEN ONE BIG CAKE FART."
by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Aug 26, 2009 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions
That's mostly everyone.
Conducting a conversation with people who start with: “I mean” disturbs the living hell out of me. OBVIOUSLY IT’S WHAT YOU MEAN OR YOU WOULDN’T SAY WHAT’S ON YOUR MIND! Oh boy, do I hate “I mean”.
" THE METS 2009 SEASON HAS BEEN ONE BIG CAKE FART."
by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Aug 26, 2009 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
I think that Billy had a rep as a guy who said things from the heart and there for everything he said was over analyzed. I still don’t see why Stokes got so upset about that quote.
[I’ll be] a Brian Stokes-type player [who] might pitch once a week.
How is that a shot at Stokes? To me that is more of a shot at Jerry. Billy isn’t saying, “Stokes is shit and that is why he doesn’t pitch as much.” He is just saying that he doesn’t get in the game often enough. Stokes doesn’t call himself into the game…
No weekend spent pantsless is a wasted weekend.
You don't speak that way about your teammates, period.
I don’t care if he was talking about Tim Redding (who I can’t stand). I’m pretty sure that Billy wasn’t lamenting the fact that Socks was under utilized.
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.

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