Murton, Francoeur, Omar and The Edge Of Sanity
It appears as though my time as a member of Omar’s Honor Guard may be drawing to an end. Being a defender of his actions has long been a dicey proposition, and unfortunately, it’s getting more untenable by the day. While many people viewed the Wagner trade as a fiasco, a missed opportunity to gain two draft picks, I felt as though it was too large of a gamble to keep Billy; 3.5 million is a lot to risk on a post-TJ closer. Wagner would have to pitch so well that there would be no question that a team out there would sacrifice a first/second round draft pick to sign a 39 year old closer coming off a major injury.
Right now, there is a nice little test out there for how competent Omar is. While the move won’t be the difference between contending and struggling, and doesn’t involve a superstar player, it succinctly encapsulates several of the most important functions of a General Manager, most notably player evaluation and resource allocation.
Yesterday Matt Murton was designated for assignment, meaning that any team in baseball could claim him. Murton was a former top prospect who always had sterling minor league numbers, but was usually blocked by other players. His minor league numbers have always been great and he’s no worse than an average defender. Additionally, when he has been given playing time in the majors, he’s done fairly well, hitting a respectable .287/.353/.438. Perhaps nothing to write home about, but definitely above average. Considering he’s done this with inconsistent playing time and bearing in mind his minor league numbers and pedigree, he’d represent a smart buy for most teams.
While picking up Murton would be a savvy move, failing to do so would also be understandable. You could say that you want more flexibility or defense from a bench outfielder, or that you feel he doesn’t have enough pop to play full time, or maybe you’re confident in your younger players to do what he does. All of that is well and good, and would be enough of an excuse for passing on him. Where Omar’s competency would be called in question is what he does with Jeff Francoeur.
Compared side to side, here are their major league numbers:
Murton: .287/.353/.438
Francoeur: .269/.310/.429
To begin with, Murton is just better than Francoeur. He has 1,000 MLB at-bats, which is more than enough of a sample size to cement the legitimacy of his numbers. He also costs a fraction of what Francoeur will cost next year: Murton will probably be in a range of .5 to 1 million, while Francoeur will cost 4 to 5 million.
If Omar passes on Murton and then brings Francoeur back, he will be essentially saying, “I would like to have a worse player on my team and then pay him much more money.” The same reasoning Omar would provide for not signing Matt Murton would also eliminate Francoeur, so it’s not like Francoeur does something that Murton doesn’t.
During the controversy that arose when Bank of America absorbed Merrill Lynch, and whether or not Ben Bernanke threatened to fire Ken Lewis if Lewis pulled out of the deal, Henry Paulson was quoted as saying that backing out was “unthinkable” and that it would be a, “destructive action for which there was no reasonable legal basis and which would show a lack of judgment.”
Essentially, Paulson was saying, “You’re damn right Bernanke should’ve fired Lewis if Lewis backed out, because if he backed out he’d be a moron unfit to run a company.”
If Omar passes on Matt Murton and brings Jeff Francoeur back next year, he has to be fired. Not because the difference between the players is so great, or that Murton is a star, but because it would show a remarkable lack of understanding of how to evaluate talent and allocate resources, or in other words, that Omar has no idea what he’s doing.
*I wrote this at my blog, firejerrymanuel.wordpress.org, but I don't really care about traffic so much as people congratulating me for how awesome I am.
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Amen
But of course Omar will be back, and Frenchy in RF earning about 6m.
He may get a slight raise in arbitration this year,
but there’s no way he gets 6 million.
"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green
by Stephen Schmidt on Aug 27, 2009 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions
You're kidding me right?
So far I’ve seen the 2010 salary go from 4 million, to 5 million, to now a robust 6 million. I love your math, will you hire me? He will make about 4 million and will be a better value than Delgado or Perez at 12 million and Schneider at 4.9 million. I’ll bet you a bag of French crullers.
I'll take that bet
He will make about 4 million and will be a better value than Delgado or Perez at 12 million and Schneider at 4.9 million. I’ll bet you a bag of French crullers.
King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president
Congratulations, you are awesome
Not that we needed another litmus test of Omar’s stupidity, but Murton vs. Francoeur is a blindingly obvious decision.
no no no
THE CHANGE OF SCENERY HAS TURNED FRANCOEUR INTO AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT PLAYER!
Or some idiocy like that.
Yeah, get Murton
but I’m sure they’ll keep Francoeur
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
That's like saying
you’d rather have a full season of Jose Guillen than 350 ABs of A-rod in 2007 and 2008
ridiculous.
by METSMETSMETS on Aug 28, 2009 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
check your sarcasm detector, stat
It seems to be malfunctioning.
Holy OBP-gap! Same wavelength FJM. I was thinking the same thing. I think you have to narrow the gap just a tad because Murton’s arm in right would make him a downgrade (maybe 5 runs) from Frenchy but when you’re talking about a 40 point OBP gap, it’s still Murton easily.
Murton's Defense is better than Francoeur's in terms of range alone.
King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president
I know RF and LF are supposed to be the same but I can’t help but think the competition is different (i.e. tougher in RF)? Is that really not true?
by OlStubbleBeard on Aug 27, 2009 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Well generally, the better fielder goes in right (I guess), so the "average RFer" would be better than the avg. LF
but in terms of difficulty to play, I bet the difference is minimal and Murton does have ample experience in both.
King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president
The popular idea is that a RFer needs a stronger arm for all those throws to third base
All four or five of them every year. There probably is a big difference in difficulty in CitiField though, right field must be miserable to defend there.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Mark Himmelstein on Aug 27, 2009 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey remember when Lastings
threw that no hopper to Wright and got the sliding runner out at third. Remember that? Yeah, that was awesome.
Hell yeah I remember that
I called my Yankee fan buddy up, all ready to gloat about how one of the NY teams actually had a farm system, since that was also right around when Lastings’ Mets career OPS peaked.
That was a sick throw though, laser beam.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Mark Himmelstein on Aug 27, 2009 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah that's all I meant
Murton’s UZR in LF (only 32 starts in RF) might mean less than Francoeur’s UZR in RF.
by OlStubbleBeard on Aug 27, 2009 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Errrr
Left field is the tougher position as you are in the power alley of most hitters and also in general you are bound to have more balls hit to you.
by METSMETSMETS on Aug 28, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
According to the defensive spectrum
right is tougher:
1B-LF-RF-3B-CF-2B-SS-C
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
To tell the difference between LF and RF defense
Just look at who the 3-year UZR leaders for LF. You will see names that are regarded as very bad defensive players. Not because we have it wrong. Because it’s generally such a horse-sh!t position. Teams are constantly trying to get away sticking a DH in LF. And that brings the average way down. Basically, I think you’re right. RF defense is a tougher competition. And Francoeur still has the opportunity to be the bestdefensive RF in the game provided he gets in betterbaseball shape. I think it’s clear Francoeur is the better defensive bet.
That said, Francoeur sucks. Specifically with the bat. And regardless of the defensive gap, Murton is the more useful player.
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well put
Murton is the smart move. Unfortunately, Omar, besides all of his other faults, has a pathological need to avoid owning up to his mistakes. All his blather about Johan’s elbow was so he wouldn’t have to say "I was wrong, we should have a) looked at his elbow in the spring, and b)not run Johan out their every 5 days when he couldn’t even throw side sessions instead of claiming it was mechanical problems (mechanics problems for Johan, really?). Maybe I’m wildly misreading this, but if he were to pick up Murton, that would render Frenchy superfluous, yes? Or at least, we wouldn’t need him right, maybe he gets shunted over to left. If Omar then non-tenders Frenchy, it looks like he made a bad trade.
Even if you all think I’m nuts I’ll wager that Omar’s mind might work like this. Picking up Murton and ditching Francouer would make him look bad, so instead of making the smart move, he’ll make the move that he thinks protects his own ass. I dunno, maybe I;m just blowing smoke, but judging Omar’s previous actions this was the first thing that came to mind when I read this
"I reject your reality and substitute my own"
-Adam Savage
by blueandorange4life on Aug 27, 2009 8:18 PM EDT reply actions
Murton can play LF
I don’t think Omar wouldn’t make this move for those reasons. I thinks it more that he’s enamored of the more speedy, “toolsy”, defensive guys like Reed or Sullivan.
Are we really going to pay Frenchy 5 mil next year?
Like even though i know it’s going to happen. I can’t convince myself it’s really going to happen. Like I know it’s only 5 mil and it;s not like we’re paying him 13 mil or something but it seems like the fact it’s such a small wage that it actually takes a deeper level of incompetence. Anyone can give stupid huge contracts to crappy players. It takes true stupid to nickle and dime yourself into 140 million dollars worth of crap.
by Gina on Aug 28, 2009 12:58 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Not a chance in hell
He has no chance of getting over $3.5M in arbitration, and right now I expect even that wouldn’t be offered.
No way of knowing
There’s no precedent for a case like this. There’s never been a player this bad make it this far in the arbitration game without getting non-tendered.
http://www.capitolavenueclub.com/
Haha, good point. Does he get booed in NY yet?
If Dunn walks 30 fewer times, he'll drive in 15 more runs. This is thanks to the scientifically proven formula: RBI = (this is nonsense) (I made it all up).
Here's a stat: Wins as manager: Dusty Baker, 1,162; Bill James, 0.
by TradeAndruw on Aug 28, 2009 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Thanks for interjecting some logic into the debate...
That figure is more like it…
I'm willing to bet
riding his hype he gets $4 million from the Mets unless he’s non-tendered.
by METSMETSMETS on Aug 28, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
He got 3.5 last year didnt he?
I don’t think there’s any chance he doesn’t get a raise if we take him to arbitration. They’ll probably figure it’s fair punishment for being stupid enough not to non tender him.
Rec'd for the insight.
Any fool can blow $140-150 million on big-ticket FA’s. It takes true ungenius to spend all of that money on low- and mid-level crap.
by BobbyV_Incognito on Aug 28, 2009 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions
We need both right now
I don’t really understand lumping Murton in with Francoeur. Murton is better in LF, Francoeur better in RF. Regardless of whether you bring Francoeur back next year, it would be dumb to miss out on Murton. Even if Francoeur is starting in RF, I would want Pagan and Murton on the bench. Right now, we’ve got Cory Sullivan there, who I doubt anyone would debate is worse than any of them.
I think you're forgetting F!
Presumably, he’s at worst, splitting time w/ Frenchy in right at the start of the season.
by BobbyV_Incognito on Aug 28, 2009 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions
yes, we should get murton
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