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Mike Pelfrey May Have Found His Out-Pitch

Exactly one month ago, after Mike Pelfrey threw a career-high 22 sliders against the Brewers, I asked if Pelfrey's sudden fondness was a result of a tangible improvement. I said at the time of his results:

These results hardly suggest a dominating "outpitch," but the 7 foul balls support the possibility that Pelfrey's slider is becoming more different than his fastball, keeping hitters off balance.

During that start, Brewers batters put his slider in play six times (three line drives) and whiffed on it just once. Yesterday against he Diamondbacks, Pelfrey threw the bendy pitch 26 times, 16 for strikes. The D-Backs put it in play twice, both groundouts. They swung-and-missed on it seven times. Pelfrey matched his season-high six strikeouts, with five strike threes being whiffs at the slider. It seemed as if Pelfrey's slider had indeed come around.

While it's only one start against not the best offense in the world, two of said strikeouts were versus Justin Upton, who's already one of the best hitters in the National League at 21. While Pelfrey gets by with his two-seamer generating a good amount of groundballs, the lack of a true out-pitch has always seemed to limit his ceiling, and at one point even threatened to keep him out of the majors. A good breaking ball would be nothing short of a revelation for Pelfrey, giving him a chance to develop into a true front-line starter. Imagine 50+% GB with a K/9 in the 6-7 range and very few homeruns.

Still, Gary and Ron noted during the broadcast yesterday that, despite Pelfrey's 6 strikeouts, his inability to put hitters away when ahead in the count suggested he still lacked a true out-pitch. In the first at bat of the game, Pelfrey got ahead 0-2 on a fastball and slider, before throwing a slider for ball three. Drew's strikeout looking at a fastball that at bat was the lone non-slider K for Pelf. In his 10-pitch duel with Justin Upton, the slider accounted for called strike one, two balls, and a swinging strike three. Only once did the slider really seem to be the problem when Pelrey couldn't put a hitter away (Ball 2 and 3 on Romero's double). Still, not one slider was a called ball four and later in the game I found myself calling for him to throw it deeper in the count.

So those are the results, but is Pelfrey actually throwing a better pitch? First, the movement of last night's pitches:

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Pitchfx only classified three pitches as two-seamers, which probably means he wasn't getting as big a differential in movement between his two-fastballs, not that he only threw three. Remember Ron saying that Pelfrey gripped his two-seamer on the inside, causing it to break more into hitters? Apparently it wasn't doing enough of that yesterday. First, however, let's look at just the slider. For reference I've included the average slider, according to BtB, in red:

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Pelfrey's pitch seems to have generally a little more vertical and a little less horizontal movement than the average slider, with many lining up almost exactly with the average horizontal movement. But what does that mean? Is it better or worse to be have more vertical and less horizontal movement than an average pitch? For these answers I reference an excellent article by Dave Allen on Run Value for breaking balls based on movement. Below is a heat map he made for the run values of all sliders thrown RHP v. RHB:

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What this graph means basically is the closer to red on the color spectrum the better the slider, as that indicates a lower run value, i.e. a lower contribution to the other team's ability to score runs. Clearly, the more tailing away from the batter, the better, so Pelfrey's below-average horizontal movement may not be ideal.

Fangraphs also measures run value for each pitch, which is a popular measure for how good a pitch is. Last year, Pelfrey's run value on his slider was -8.1 runs, which, unlike on the graph above, is bad because fangraphs reverses the sign to make positive numbers good. This year, however, Pelfrey's slider has been worth 0.8 runs. His slider has also doubled its horizontal movement, going from .9 to 1.8 inches, affirming Allen's conclusion about the more tail from the right-handed batter, the better. The horizontal movement on the five strikeout sliders from yesterday were: 2.778, 4.531, 4.416, 3.723, and 4.00, all clearly on the far end of the above graph and well right of the average slider.

Using linear weights from this article, I also tried to calculate the run-value of Pelfrey's slider yesterday. These are said linear weights:

Count  Ball     Strike
0-0 0.038 -0.044
1-0 0.066 -0.053
2-0 0.116 -0.067
3-0 0.110 -0.078
0-1 0.029 -0.062
1-1 0.052 -0.067
2-1 0.105 -0.076
3-1 0.188 -0.083
0-2 0.024 -0.184
1-2 0.043 -0.208
2-2 0.098 -0.251
3-2 0.271 -0.349

and -.304 for the two groundouts

My method wasn't the way that fangraphs calculates  it, as they account for the game situation, and I only accounted for the count, but the end result was 1.816 runs which is obviously well above 0.8, and a good reinforcement of how good the pitch was yesterday.

The conclusion here seems to be a positive one. Pelfrey's slider has demonstrably more horizontal break than before, especially on some big pitches yesterday. Going back to Ron's comment in the booth, however, about Pelfrey's two-seamer breaking away from the batter, I have one more theory about Pelf. If the best sliders tail away from the hitter, wouldn't it help for Pelfrey's fastball to tail into the hitter, potentially exaggerating the break of the slider in the hitter's mind? For reference look at one more graph from yesterday's start:

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Notice how the orange line (two-seam) has a distinct break in and the blue line (slider) has a distinct break out from all the other pitches? Carlos Marmol has one the nastiest sliders in the game, with 4.9 inches of average horizontal break, 3 more than Pelfrey. When you consider, however, that Pelfrey's two-seamer breaks 2.3 inches more away  from the batter than Marmol's four-seamer, the difference may seem minimal to the batter who's looking for the two-seamer.

As anecdotal evidence for this theory, consider Pelfrey's average two-seam fastball breaks -9.3 inches , while his four-seamer breaks -7.9. The pitches immediately preceding his five strikeout sliders earlier were, in terms of horizontal movement, -10.565 , -5.793, 2.416 (two straight swinging strike sliders were preceded by a -7 fourseam), -6.613, -7.918. Obviously, it doesn't exactly support my theory, but it's something to watch out for.

Overall, Pelfrey's progress with the slider is extremely encouraging and his perceived "step back" seems more to do with bad fielding and sophomore durability issues, not a true step back in development.

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great analysis

Its not all bad in Mets land…Santana/Pelf/Niese should anchor the rotation next year

by viktor06 on Aug 3, 2009 7:28 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

"Sophomore durability issues"?

Is that another way of saying “Verducci Effect minus the surgery”?

by madisonmetsfan on Aug 3, 2009 9:00 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Perceived set back?

As if to imply that its not a real set back? At some point it does actually matter how he fares in games. Ultimately, he was unable to manage the game yesterday, that’s very discouraging – better slider or not.

by njk237 on Aug 3, 2009 10:30 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

This

Starts aren’t necessarily all good or all bad. He didn’t manage the game well, bad. His slider was much better, good. The slider contains potassium benzoate, bad.

by Eric Simon on Aug 3, 2009 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

haha

but it comes with your choice of toppings, thats good!

by KeithsMoustache on Aug 3, 2009 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Okay

And it’s less discouraging than if a meteor hit the stadium, too. My point is that he’s been underwhelming this year. Maybe the better slider will lead to better results, but as much as we want to dance around it there is a mental side to pitching. He needs to work on that, and seeing as he saw a sports psychologist, he seems to know it too.

by njk237 on Aug 3, 2009 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Again, a lot of it is fielding and durability related.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Aug 3, 2009 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You tell me what's differen't

2008 FIP: 3.96
2009 FIP: 4.18

2008 Defense: competent
2009 Defense: -25ish UZR

King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president

by Sam Page on Aug 3, 2009 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ok

If you want to chalk the whole thing up to a shaky defense, I can’t argue with the raw FIP data. But his walks are up, and his strikeouts are down. Progress, to me, would have been the reverse. (By the way, more walks and more pitches and the long drawn out innings play a role in leading to poor defense.)

And I’ll say it again, there is a mental side to pitching. Knowing what to throw and when, bearing down with men on, managing an inning in a game, and containing some composure out there. There aren’t any stats for the amount of circles Pelfrey has paced around the mound, but from watching him pitch it’s my opinion that he hasn’t progressed this year, particularly when it comes to the mental side. Again, he saw a sports psychologist, it’s not like I’m just making this up.

If you want to be encouraged by a better slider, by all means, great. But I don’t see how this year is a “perceived setback”, its just a plain ol’ regular setback.

by njk237 on Aug 3, 2009 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

on edit

strikeouts are just about the same, not down, my bad. my point still remains.

by njk237 on Aug 3, 2009 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thing is, he was able to throw said slider the "best" on "big pitches".

So that agrees with your “mental side of pitching” theory, and you aren’t giving him nearly enough credit. You make it sound like he’s a headcase, rather than a pitcher in his age 25 season, after his breakthrough season, having normal pitching variation and awful defense behind him.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Aug 3, 2009 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Want to see tangible progress?

2008: 49.6 % GB, 20.8 % LD
2009: 52.3 %GB, 18.7 % LD

and yet

2008: .302
2009: .317

looks like bad defense to me.

In terms of bearing down: 67.3 % mean Left on base as opposed to 74.3 % last year. It’s too soon in Pelfrey’s career to determine whether that’s an issue of skill, so it could very well just be bad luck. Nick Evans also saw a sports psychologist this year, after his BABIP was inexplicably .089 and his LD% was 16%.

King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president

by Sam Page on Aug 3, 2009 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

those second two numbers are BABIP

King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president

by Sam Page on Aug 3, 2009 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And his xFIP is slightly better

though the tRA is slightly worse. I’d agree that his performance is pretty similar to last year’s, but hopefully next season he can really take a step forward instead of sideways.

by James Kannengieser on Aug 3, 2009 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Let's not close the book on this season yet, either.

King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president

by Sam Page on Aug 3, 2009 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think pitch selection/sequence had as much to do with his problems

as the quality of the pitches themselves. Theres no excusing walks and HBP, but i feel like overall the game plan was flawed more than the pitches themselves were.

by KeithsMoustache on Aug 3, 2009 10:36 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Agreed.

He has the outpitch; if only he could throw it more consistently.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Aug 3, 2009 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can't wait for when

Santana/Pelf/Holt/Niese/Mejia is our rotation.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Aug 3, 2009 11:20 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Somehow

it seems unlikely that our entire rotation sans Johan will be young homegrown. You think we’re the Red Sox or something?

by TheBigStapler on Aug 3, 2009 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would love to be the Red Sox.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Aug 3, 2009 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sox

Right now they have the exact same number of home-grown starters in their rotation as the Mets: 2.

by Eric Simon on Aug 3, 2009 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I realized after the fact that I was vague

I was equating having a deep pipeline of MLB-destined, homegrown starters to being like the Red Sox. The Victor Martinez deal changed things a bit but that perception is still there with Lester, Buchholz, Bard, Bowden, Kelly, etc.

by TheBigStapler on Aug 3, 2009 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm digging myself into a hole

But I’ll point out that I forgot Bard is a reliever.

by TheBigStapler on Aug 3, 2009 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, I mean, I think Maine has the least chance of being productive of these guys because of his injury plagued last two seasons.

I still HOPE he’s available, but even if he isn’t, we should have a pretty sick rotation in two years.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Aug 3, 2009 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Meh he was a shaky late bloomer to begin with

After two injury plagued seasons it’s hard to see him “bouncing back”, I mean what would he even bounce back too there’s really no baseline on what to expect for him.

by Gina on Aug 3, 2009 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

As time goes on

the likelihood of Maine having a breakout year becomes exponentially less and less likely. As is, he is a good, not great, middle of the rotation starter—and there is nothing wrong with that. We can be a lot happier when we lower our expectations. The yearlong+ shoulder issue is definitely troubling, though.

by TheBigStapler on Aug 3, 2009 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fangraphs data

Just a note, fangraphs data DOES NOT take into consideration context of pitches….the confusion lies in the fact that the explanation of their run values talks about the context, but in reality they average out all contexts just like everyone else.

by garik16 on Aug 3, 2009 1:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I watched yesterdays game and

me and my friend were talking about Pelfrey “slider”. I call it a fast spinner instead of a slider becasue it has very little movement, but he throws it 85. The only reason that the pitch is effective is becuase of all the motion on Big Pelf’s fastball. It is kind of a junk slider and he needs to be careful with it because it has only “vertical motion” i.e. hanger. The pitch works because Pelf seems to be getting a better idea of when to throw it to change speeds to a batter, but if he loses some velocity or break on his fastball that slider is going to be renamed the meat ball.

by Delgado on Aug 3, 2009 2:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The FB/SL movement differential

is really worth exploring like the FB/CH speed differential.

by TheBigStapler on Aug 3, 2009 3:03 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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