Mets get Anderson Hernandez for Greg Veloz
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just last year
he was traded for Luis Ayala
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
+1
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
+1
"I reject your reality and substitute my own"
-Adam Savage
by blueandorange4life on Aug 6, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
can you photoshop an "IPOR" tie on that fella?
"If on-base percentage is so important, then why don't they put it on the scoreboard?"
This is just another example of Omar's
inability to think outside the bun. Let Roberto Hernandez walk in 05 reaquire him in 06, let Marlon Anderson walk reaquire him, Tatis/Easley/Valentine/Perez/Sosa/Mota had bounce back years resign them ignoring regression or underlying numbers (though some moves are more defendable than others,) former Expos come aboard. Omar is a scout but if personal decisions come down to players he has seen, the player pool is severly limited. With that said, this move isn’t a big deal but still a little more of that creativity that he claims to love would be nice.
Well...
Any playing time he takes away from the immortal Angel Berroa is a win. Greg Veloz isn’t worth the paper he’s printed on as a prospect, so yeah.
and we were worried Omar wouldnt make any trades to help the team
……. at least Berroa will spend less time on the field.
by KeithsMoustache on Aug 6, 2009 12:22 PM EDT reply actions
amen to that
"I reject your reality and substitute my own"
-Adam Savage
by blueandorange4life on Aug 6, 2009 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow
Blasts from the past! When the trades for Blastings and Looper are announced, Omar’s collection will be complete.
Grission and Husart - that is either the non-union Mexican equivelant of "Starsky and Hutch" or the key to winning the World Series.
Heilman would be an upgrade over Green
seriously.
I don't know
There pretty similar pitchers. Green is ALOT cheaper.
"If I ever decide to do a book, I've already got the title...The bases were loaded and so was I."
-Jim Fregosi
by Stephen Schmidt on Aug 6, 2009 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Does Anderson Hernandez=Grission
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
I don't think so
No high socks, no beard, weird afro thing, non-white. But he is a light hitting middle infielder, so possibly. I’ll go check grission-reference.com and get back to you.
Be patient
His grission will explode when his OBP drops under .300.
there needs to be a stat
that measures grission. So Cerrone and Jon Heyman can gush over it.
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
yes!!!!
but also, so the idiots can understand: Grission Average, and Runs Grissioned In
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
Will there be a fictitious grission prototype player?
I wouldnt want that idiot Silva reporting on it.
Don't worry
The Poster Boy (he is the size of one) is a real player
Eckstein
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
lol
but it makes it sound like you are saying Go Eck!
maybe GODE: Grission Over David Eckstein
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
Well
if Eckstein is the prototype then everyone else will be negative.
But there could be counting stats as well like Fist Pumps, Mound Charges, Umpire arguments, Opposing team arguments, Same team arguments, Same team exhortations, atta boys, diving catches, dirty uniforms, etc.
Negative stats would be Cadillacing, failing to run out grounders and pop ups, talking in third person, calling out teammates (unless media thinks it’s warranted and shows leadership then it’s a positive stat), etc.
Positive stats would be
Advancing runners to 3rd on groundouts, foul balls, sunflower seeds chewed, and pine tar on helmet.
Negatives would be home runs that clear the wall by more than 4 feet, using batting gloves, and shaving.
Well if we're going to do a stat called WBG (Wins Because of Grission), Biological adjustments are necessary
White is an automatic +10 in RBG (Runs Because of Grission); Everything else is neutral
Every inch below 6 feet tall is +3 RBG, above is -3
Is fat Grissiony? I’ll get back to this later
Career Achievements are also needed:
A World Series Ring is +50 RBG over their career. (That’s 10 WBG for Eckstein since he has two)
Gold Glove is +7.5 RBG
All Star game is +7.5 RBG (AS MVP is +4 RBG in addition)
MVP is +12 RBG
Over course there are other things that are very important that happen on a per game basis such as just barely getting the throw from shortstop to first base (.5 RBG) and also a jump throw from short (.5 RBG). There are others that we’ll have to quantify later.
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
stuff that don't show up in the boxscore
Fist bumps, Mound chats, getting in people’s face, bunting on your own, getting caught stealing
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
All very gritty
But you have to remember, fist bumps good, Nick Swisher’s celebrations good, but Jose Reyes’ elbow bump celebrations are very bad, they show absolutely no grission at all.
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
i'm so tired of you so called advanced stat guys ignoring the basics
gamer is a dichotomous variable. You either is a gamer or you isn’t.
though I will give you mound chats. That is a key indicator.
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
This
has gone too far.
Just know, if there's ever a riot at Citi Field and Oliver Perez was the starter, I started the riot.
Now I just want to see
how far the comments will nest. At some point it’s gotta be like 1 word per line, right?
Anything which is identifiable
as “Latin” in any way – i.e. doing a dance – is not grission, no sir.
I love you all.
I very, very much enjoyed the couple minutes I spent reading this section of the comments.
+1 for everybody. Runs grissioned in was my favorite.
"It's like the old phrase goes.....The balls in your court now Mr.Church, so you take that ball, you dribble it up the court and....................................... get a layup"
- Keith Hernandez
Don't forget about dirt on the uniform.
Getting dirty because you slid making a hustle play on the bases= 1 RBG
Getting dirty diving for the ball = 2 RBG if you get it, 0.5 if you don’t
by BobbyV_Incognito on Aug 7, 2009 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Great, I'm thrilled
Finally we have the elder version of Argenis Reyes back.
If we’re going out to get these crappy prospects, can we at least get someone with a little power? Like a 2006 Russell Branyan? I was hoping Wily Mo Pena would get a call up for the entertainment value of his home runs, but they released him a while ago. Who cares if he’s a dud in the field and strikes out every other AB, give us something fun to watch!
Anytime you can
acquire a .240 career hitter that has zero pop in his bat, well, you just have to make that trade.
I’d have given Damien Easley a call.
Just asking
What happened to the Mets’ landing Orlando Hudson? Was Greg Veloz not enough? Can’t please some people.
Grission and Husart - that is either the non-union Mexican equivelant of "Starsky and Hutch" or the key to winning the World Series.
Over/Under
What’s the Over/Under for Anderson landing on the DL? Three innings? 1 game? 7 games?
Grission and Husart - that is either the non-union Mexican equivelant of "Starsky and Hutch" or the key to winning the World Series.
Not even close
He shatters his kneecap stepping off the plane. Count on it.
by BobbyV_Incognito on Aug 6, 2009 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions
i can only interpret this acquisition as
the mets’ surgeons need body parts to rebuild Luis Castillo.
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
by itsmetsforme on Aug 6, 2009 1:13 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
+1
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
we can rebuild him, we have the technology
"I reject your reality and substitute my own"
-Adam Savage
by blueandorange4life on Aug 6, 2009 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions
But, we don't want to spend a lot of money.
Just know, if there's ever a riot at Citi Field and Oliver Perez was the starter, I started the riot.
hence rebuilding him with pieces of hernandez
"I reject your reality and substitute my own"
-Adam Savage
by blueandorange4life on Aug 6, 2009 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Thank you.
Just know, if there's ever a riot at Citi Field and Oliver Perez was the starter, I started the riot.
if you can't beat them, join them
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
flinching away from the ball
looks like somebody is taking lessons from francoeur
by KeithsMoustache on Aug 6, 2009 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow
If only we could do the same with Castro, Church, Kazmire, an so on.
I could make a freaking all-star team out of the talent the Mets have traded away!
There was actually a post about this a while ago on mets geek
And while it wasn’t all-star caliber, it wasn’t that much worse than what we have now while being much cheaper.
And I mean it wasn't that worse than what we have when healthy while being much cheaper
We could probably put together a baseball team not that much worse than what we’re putting on the field now.
It was either this or claiming Chris Woodward (DFA'd by Seattle on Tuesday)
Everything that annoys me about this move:
1. Omar makes this move after the horse is well out of the barn. Where was this in May when Ramon Martinez was starting at SS or at the All-Star break when Angel Berroa was brought in?
2. It doesn’t mark the end of Angel Berroa. He’s allowed to stay as long as he wants, despite being terrible at everything and old.
3. Why trade for a player outside of your system when you have Mark Kiger playing in AA? He’s a good on-base dude drafted by the A’s in the Moneyball draft and by most accounts a good defender at 2B/3B and adequate at SS.
Didn't we acquire Wilson Valdez in May?
Wasn’t this the reason we traded for him in the first place? He’s probably about the same as Hernandez and Reyes, and definitely better than Berroa. The fact that he’s in AAA with Argenis while Berroa is defrauding the Wilpons out of a paycheck does not reflect well on Omar.
by BobbyV_Incognito on Aug 6, 2009 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions
What does reflect well on Omar though?
"If I ever decide to do a book, I've already got the title...The bases were loaded and so was I."
-Jim Fregosi
by Stephen Schmidt on Aug 6, 2009 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I agree.
I’d rather have Valdez up than either A. Reyes or Berroa. Kiger intrigues me because he brings defense AND OBP. He’s a lot better bet to hold up on a ML bench if he can indeed play a good 2B/3B/SS at the ML level.
by All Shook Down on Aug 6, 2009 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Here's a better idea
How about we kill all of those players and just leave 2B and SS unoccupied? That would seem to be the least detrimental to the team.
you know my stance of woodward (see my fanshot)
if you look at it, he’s the only option
by KeithsMoustache on Aug 6, 2009 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Well I jumped the gun about Berroa
They haven’t had to make a roster move to clear room for Hernandez yet, but crap, it better be Berroa.
by All Shook Down on Aug 7, 2009 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions
I demand Oil Spill
Neither can hit and he plays better defense and has more versitility. I thought I was done with .179 hitting Anderson Hernandez.
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.
Welcome back
your dreams were your ticket out. Welcome back to that same old place that you laughed about. For the names have all changed since you hung around. And, those dreams still remain when you turn around (?) Who’d have thought they need ya. Right here’s where we need ya.
Well, we teased him a lot but we got him on the spot. Welcome back.
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
I guess this was the best they could do...
…since “Super Joe” McEwing retired last year.
Joe, now HE was the King of the Grissionistas.
according to Rubin Berroa was DFA'ed
“adam lobby me to have Angel DFA’ed”
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
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