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Friday Hodgepodge

This won't be a weekly thing, I think, but will pop up when warranted:

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1.  I remarked to a fellow Met fan that Tuesday's lineup of Pagan-Castillo-Wright-Beltran-Murphy-Francoeur-Thole-Hernandez was the most sensibly constructed in awhile.  He replied, "It's a lot easier for a lineup to appear smart when Carlos Beltran is in it."  True.

2.  This week's Steve Phillips Award goes to Jeff Pearlman for his blog post about everyone's favorite talking point, the hapless Mets.  I generally disagree with Pearlman on most topics (example: "Fantasy football is stupid"), yet can't bring myself to remove his blog from Google Reader. I figure it's because he wrote a good book about the Mets, "The Bad Guys Won". Maybe it's because he doesn't shy away from controversial topics.  Anyways, a couple lines from the offending Mets post:

Worst of all, the Mets have—from day one—lacked spark. Perhaps it’s the hangover of blowing one too many down-the-stretch leads. But this has been a listless, dull team from April through today—one never befitting of a new stadium or a rabid fan base. They’re a yawn a minute, and it’s insanely mind-numbing to observe.

My suggestions:

....

C. Trade either Wright or Reyes: I know … I know—terrible idea. But desperate times call for desperate measures. The chemistry is clearly off here. An infusion is needed.

"Spark", also known as "edge" or "grission", is sportswriter code for "I have nothing intelligent to add so I'm going to write whatever the next WFAN caller says."  We've been down the farcical "spark"/"edge" road before, nothing more to say about that.

The "trade the core" topic has also been beaten to a bloody pulp.  What's great about this example is Pearlman's brain seems to realize it's a bad idea, yet his heart can't seem to shake the "let's blow it all up" frustrated fan perspective.  This take is pretty flawed.  It's saying:

a) Mets are bad and have poor chemistry
b) David Wright and Jose Reyes are Mets
c) David Wright and Jose Reyes are therefore bad and have poor chemistry
d) Get rid of David Wright and/or Jose Reyes, improve the team and its chemistry

This is silly.  A team's performance is not based solely on 1 or 2 players. It's the sum of 25 players. One shouldn't determine what to do with each of those 25 players based simply on the team result. Evaluate their performance on an individual level.  Of course, if Pearlman is saying that no player is untouchable and any trade that improves the team should be considered, then fine. But it doesn't sound like he's saying that.

3.  Nice work by Peter Gammons this week, the inaugural winner of the Peter Gammons Award (name of award is not set in stone), for a column which seems to be a response to Jayson Stark's Mets rip.  The Mets' situation isn't great, but it's not totally hopeless, as dozens of Phillies anonymous scouts want us to believe.

4.  Murray Chass wrote an outstanding piece about the infamous "anonymous baseball source."  This is the post I was planning to write but don't have to now because it wouldn't be better than Chass's.  It is also a response to Jayson Stark.  Here are a few of the best snippets, but I highly recommend checking it out in its entirety:

What is wrong with the practice of soliciting anonymous opinions or assessments? It gives the respondents a free shot at the team - its general manager, its manager, whomever that executive or scout may not like - without fear of retaliation or condemnation. If he had to attach his name to the comment, the person wouldn’t say the same thing... Perhaps the most important question is this: Is there a way for the writer to write the column he wants to write without using all of those anonymous quotes? There is... The writer can ask the same people the same questions and use their responses to form a consensus assessment, which he can report without resorting to a string of quotes from one anonymous executive/official/scout after another. Or the writer can exercise some creativity and use the comments to form his own opinion and write that.

Chass is well known for his saber-hating, but he has 40+ years of sportswriting experience and his columns about sports journalism are worthwhile reads.

5.  There should be a rule: if you advocate starting roles next year for Jeff Francoeur and Daniel Murphy, and platoon/bench roles for Cory Sullivan and Anderson Hernandez, you don't get to complain when the team sucks.

6.  Great work by Federal Baseball with a Jim Riggleman takedown.  This quote from the Nats skipper is particularly ridiculous:

If I send a message to the ballclub that we're gonna put our Class AAA call-ups out there on a daily basis to see what they can do, first of all, as I said, it's not a good time to evaluate talent. Who do you do it against? Do you do it against the Phillies? I think we would be insulting the Marlins and the Braves, who are chasing the Phillies. Do you do it just against the Braves but not against the Phillies?

Right Jim, because your job as Nationals manager is to avoid insulting your team's opponents.  His old-school manager brethren Bruce Bochy is having a poor week as well, according to McCovey Chronicles and Memories of Kevin Malone.  Bochy pulled a Jerry Manuel Wednesday night, calling for a bunt after the first 2 batters in an inning walked.  The bunt failed and the Giants didn't score any runs, naturally.  Bochy will probably be rewarded with a contract extension this offseason, continuing the tradition of stale, close-minded and bunt-happy men managing baseball teams.

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I actually don't think Andy Hernandy would be too bad as a backup IF

and I’d rather keep Frenchy and spend on a 1B/SP then spend on another OF.

"Solo homers usually come with no one on base." -Ralph Kiner

by metsguy234 on Sep 11, 2009 6:17 AM EDT reply actions  

Yes

But do we still get to complain a little bit if we only lobby for Murph and Hernandez?

by deadspy3 on Sep 11, 2009 6:31 AM EDT reply actions  

I still think Murphy has future here, at 1B

He shouldnt be given the job, but is better than what he showed this year (most prospects struggle in first full season). He should be in the mix, unless we sign a Nick Johnson type of 1B

by viktor06 on Sep 11, 2009 7:16 AM EDT reply actions  

second/utility

Nothing can get by him; especially in a small room: Mike Francessa

by GenJackRipper on Sep 11, 2009 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

That just flew over your head, didn't it?

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Sep 11, 2009 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gammons

You could do a lot worse for the name of an award about good baseball writing than the “Peter Gammons Award”.

by JoshNY on Sep 11, 2009 9:29 AM EDT reply actions  

The starter Gammons omitted.

He mentioned Santana, Pelfrey, Perez, Niese and Parnell (?), and the need for another front-line starter, but no mention of Maine. Stark seemed to write him off in his infamous column as well.

I don’t get it; if his shoulder is OK, a healthy John Maine is a perfect match for Citi- a flyball/strikeout pitcher who will benefit greatly from that big outfield while minimizing the effect of that dreadful infield UZR. Have these writers just dropped the ball or have they caught a vibe that the Mets organization is disenchanted with Maine?

by madisonmetsfan on Sep 11, 2009 9:37 AM EDT reply actions  

Health is the key phrase.

He hasn’t been healthy in two years.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Sep 11, 2009 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Trades, et al

When Reyes, Wright, Beltran were all healthy (and we were failing to make the playoffs, btw) I think there was more life to the “trade someone” argument.

After 2009, we can’t trade Reyes or Beltran because they’re damaged goods. And given that, trading Wright would make even less sense than before.

Nonetheless, the arguments against trading one of “the core” always seems to assume that we would give Reyes to another team, and get nothing in return, or get a 17 year old fringe prospect in return.

The pro-trade people would argue that you only make a trade when you get “equal value” (or better) in return. So for example, would you trade Wright for Pujols? Yes. Wright for Chipper Jones? No.

So it’s not a question of whether you would trade someone, it’s a question of who you would hypothetically trade someone for. And unless you consider Wright and Reyes to be the two best players in all of MLB, then there exist trade combinations that would be good for the Mets.

But do I want Omar Minaya making that decision? No.

by Mex_17 on Sep 11, 2009 10:25 AM EDT reply actions  

How often do two stars get traded in the same deal?

The way I see it is yes, trade Reyes if you can get Hanley Ramirez, but don’t trade him for like Asdrubal Cabrera and Shin Soo Choo. You don’t trade one great player for two good ones.

"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."

by Evan_S on Sep 11, 2009 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

actually

depends how much Shin Soo Choo > Jeff Francoeur. If it’s a lot it could make up the Cabrera-Reyes difference.

"Solo homers usually come with no one on base." -Ralph Kiner

by metsguy234 on Sep 11, 2009 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's much better than Francoeur

but that’s a flaw in management. A good team wouldn’t have Francoeur in right field so the difference between Choo and, for the sake of argument, Ryan Church isn’t nearly as much.

"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."

by Evan_S on Sep 11, 2009 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually, I love Shin Soo Choo. So underrated.

But yeah, obviously you don’t trade Reyes in a deal for him.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Sep 11, 2009 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Murray Chass

Chass is right on in this piece, but his sanctimony is a little tough to take. This is the same dinosaur who for years ranted against those all-encompassing evil “blogs,” yet the minute he gets booted from the NYT, he pops up online.

And his columns in his last few years at the Times were the definition of lazy, mail-it-in journalism. But now he’s the journalism ethics professor?

by Bieser's Balk on Sep 11, 2009 10:29 AM EDT reply actions  

I enjoy the friday hodgepodge

It would be a good off-season feature if applesauce is a 2-3x a week deal, friday hodgepodge could be a biweekly thing.

But yea, I’d ignore anyone who recommends trading wright pretty much til the end of time.

by HotChipWillBreakYourLegs on Sep 11, 2009 11:52 AM EDT reply actions  

I'm just throwing this out there

(Friday) Hodgepodge = Off-season, “when warranted”

Applesauce = Spring Training / Regular Season

by nelsonc on Sep 11, 2009 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think they serve different purposes, though.

Hodgepodge is more editorial. Applesauce has more links.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Sep 11, 2009 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

"I know … I know—terrible idea."

Yes Jeff Pearlman, it is a terrible idea. If you admit that much, don’t rationalize it by saying you’re desperate. What, since you’re desperate, you can’t be smart?

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Sep 11, 2009 2:02 PM EDT reply actions  

Rec'd for number 5

"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."

by Evan_S on Sep 11, 2009 4:03 PM EDT reply actions  

I don't like number 5

Any of those guys can be useful if they’re used correctly. Hernandez as a backup IF, Frenchy as part of a platoon in right or left field, Murphy as a bench player, and Sullivan as AAA depth.

"Solo homers usually come with no one on base." -Ralph Kiner

by metsguy234 on Sep 11, 2009 4:43 PM EDT reply actions  

Read again, the wording is kinda confusing

I don’t want Murphy starting – doesn’t mean I don’t want him on the team altogether. I agree he could be a decent bench/utility player. If you’re gonna keep a crappy backup MI, might as well be Wilson Valdez who atleast can play shortstop. A-Hern cannot play the position. And I agree Sullivan is good for AAA depth – but not as a #4 or #5 OF on a major league opening day roster. And Frenchy – if he was set to be paid $1 mil or thereabouts, fine. But for ~$5 million he’s a joke.

by James Kannengieser on Sep 11, 2009 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

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