Open Thread: Mets vs Phillies
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Over/Under on Pelfrey innings?
6 3 runs 2 of them earned
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
With Valdez playing SS
I’m saying 0 ER
King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president
I was out and on the drive home
WFAN came on with their sports update…..they were talking about the pitcher from the Rays dominating the Yanks thru almost 6 innings on just 72 pitches, and the dude giving the update said….“Sometimes Oliver Perez throws 72 pitches in one inning”.
I kid you not.
Sitebot is on a roll today
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
Moyer is 0-1 with a 13,50 era in 2 starts vs the Mets this year
David is hitting .432 lifetime with 3 home runs against him.By that logic Moyer will throw a one-hitter and David we be 0-5 with 5 K’s
Gangsta
at least Pelfrey has beaten Philly thrice this year
"Solo homers usually come with no one on base." -Ralph Kiner
I gotta watch this
Some unbiased commentating for once
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
by firejerrynow on Sep 12, 2009 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions
WOW!!!!
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
I still can't believe
they signed Moyer to a two year contract.
by MetsFan4Decades on Sep 12, 2009 4:23 PM EDT reply actions
I Wanted Unbiased commentating
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
by firejerrynow on Sep 12, 2009 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Why
Listening to Howie on the Fan, he’s right at home with Wayne and Tim McCarver, and even Steve Phillips. He is squarely on the bullshit wagon.
Nothing can get by him; especially in a small room: Mike Francessa
by GenJackRipper on Sep 12, 2009 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions
when he does radio for the Mets he is a lot more passionate about the Mets.
today the mets jumped to a decent lead and he was like …. bleh.
I didn't realize how stupid and obnoxious he was until he was on Fox.
Nothing can get by him; especially in a small room: Mike Francessa
by GenJackRipper on Sep 12, 2009 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions
mccarver says
you can’t trade for players like victorino.
you can only claim them in the rule 5, offer them back, have the team deny them, and then send them to the minors.
by firejerrymanuel on Sep 12, 2009 4:40 PM EDT reply actions
I hate Victorino
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
Was that Howie Rose
who said the Mets need to get more of " the get jersey dirty type player?"
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
I hit the mute button after he said that
Just put the volume back on… I will probably regret that decision
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
generic term for a player with good intangibles
frankly i dont get why people treat intangibles like a joke, any team is better when they’re more cohesive, have better leaders, harder-playing players, etc
"Solo homers usually come with no one on base." -Ralph Kiner
or bullpens
that are good.
bullpens are intangible
by firejerrymanuel on Sep 12, 2009 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions
actually how about
we use both, they dont have to be exclusive
"Solo homers usually come with no one on base." -Ralph Kiner
Intagibles is bullshit
Jeter’s leadership ability has been indoctrinated into baseball lovers everywhere. Why? Because he was a part of a team that won four championships, because he was the new, young player on the team, and because he was good. None of that makes him a leader, and if you go back and follow everything he’s done, he’s completely dismissed his 3rd basemen because he didn’t like him when a leader would’ve stuck up for him, but that doesn’t matter because the media annointed him a leader. If you win, you have intangibles, if you lose you don’t, it’s that simple.
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
I think what they mean is that he leads on the field.
as in by example. you know….diving head first into the seats to catch a foul pop….things like that.
He took three full strides before going into the stands
Any intelligent person would’ve have slid.
And on another note, fuck Jeter, David Wright actually caught a ball that would have landed in the stands in Seattle a few years ago and he jumped into the stands to do it.
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
You're wrong on the slide
http://mlb.mlb.com/media/video.jsp?mid=200805122685729
but…this is a Mets blog. Let’s move on from Jeter.
He absolutely could have slid after he caught the ball.
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
But the biggest problem I have with that play
Is that is considered to be a wonderful play, and for Jeter it was a great catch, but a faster shortstop gets to the ball quicker and makes the play look easier.
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
I seriously doubt that Jeter is unique in diving into stands
He is one of many players who does this. Wright made a play where he broke his face diving into the stands for a pop-up. He was heralded as a winner in 2006 (his least valuable—though most clutch—year in the league other than 2009). He is the same player in 2009 (effort-wise, not productionwise) but he’s a problem because he’s soft, coincidentally, his team sucks during this period as well.
Nothing can get by him; especially in a small room: Mike Francessa
by GenJackRipper on Sep 12, 2009 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions
"Intangibles is bullshit"
Are you honestly doubting the existence of intangibles? Players are people, therefore there is a psychological aspect to the game, an intangible aspect to each player. Some teams are more cohesive than others.
"Solo homers usually come with no one on base." -Ralph Kiner
But if the players are good it won't matter
Barry Bonds and Jeff Kent hated each other and they still came within a game of winning the world series. It doesn’t matter that they aren’t cohesive, as long as they’re good. It’s not football where one guy depends on another to protect him and feelings may* get in the way, there is no interaction like that in baseball.
And I say “may” because they are still professionals and both want to win.
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
Here's a question or four for you Metsguy234
Why do you think the Mets lack """grit""" and """intangiables"""? (I used multiple quote marks to emphasize the degree to which I think this is a bullshit meme)
How would these """intangiables""" help the team in terms of getting wins? How many """gritty""" players would it take to get the wins, and what is the process through which the wins will come?
What do you think is the extent to which the Mets problems are """intangiables""" vs. bad management and talent? If the answer is less than 80%-20%, then why do idiots like Rose and McCarver pump up this shit so much?
Finally, if McCarver is so stupid as to think that Victorino is better than Reyes.why should we not treat what he says as the opposite of reality?
Nothing can get by him; especially in a small room: Mike Francessa
by GenJackRipper on Sep 12, 2009 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions
i think the mets problem is threefold
1) bad players
2) bad management
3) lack of leadership on the team
"Solo homers usually come with no one on base." -Ralph Kiner
in that order from most contributing to least contributing
"Solo homers usually come with no one on base." -Ralph Kiner
If you fix the first one
The team wins games, fix the last one, there’s no difference. Fix the second one and you fix the first one and the team wins games.
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
very uncohesive teams will not be successful
"Solo homers usually come with no one on base." -Ralph Kiner
See Yankees 1977
Lack of cohesion can margianally affect a team’s effectiveness. But people who don’t like each other can play well together very well.
The thing is that the press simply pretends that all winning teams are gritty and cohesive and non-winners fragmented and alienated or lazy. First they invent the correlation, then they falsely present causation.
Nothing can get by him; especially in a small room: Mike Francessa
by GenJackRipper on Sep 12, 2009 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions
If black people were always allowed to play baseball
and there was two or three on the Tigers with Ty Cobb who hated black people, Ty Cobb would still be the same great player he was, regardless of his teammates.
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
Ok, give me percentages
I would say:
95% bad management that does not know how to build a team with 4 spuperstars and 140 million dollars. (including Jerry Manuel being a dolt)
4.9% players: Wright is the only one having a bad enough season where you can blame him.
0.1% grit, and I’m being generous.
Nothing can get by him; especially in a small room: Mike Francessa
by GenJackRipper on Sep 12, 2009 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
On the Yankees game the text poll was
What do you like most about Derek Jeter?
Offense
Defense
Leadership
Leadership came in first, followed by Defense, followed by Offense
But you can't quantify that,
you don’t know who will be a good leader until their on your team and ff you have great players it won’t matter if they hate each other or not.
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
35 pitches
all fastballs.
this is fucking pathetic.
by firejerrymanuel on Sep 12, 2009 4:48 PM EDT reply actions
Who's calling the game?
Nothing can get by him; especially in a small room: Mike Francessa
by GenJackRipper on Sep 12, 2009 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions
apparently he has 6 pitches
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Pelfrey
He throws a hard four-seam fastball at speeds up to 98 mph, a sinker, a two-seam fastball, a curveball, a slider, and a circle changeup
"Solo homers usually come with no one on base." -Ralph Kiner
i think they're right
maybe he just doesnt throw some very often
"Solo homers usually come with no one on base." -Ralph Kiner
last start
he mixes his pitches, he does awesome.
i blame santos.
what the fuck though.
by firejerrymanuel on Sep 12, 2009 4:50 PM EDT reply actions
2009 Pelfrey
Bases Empty: .261/.306/.359
Men On: .312/.408/.471
He really can’t pitch from the stretch.
last time mets had 5+ hits to start a game
June 25, 1979
"Solo homers usually come with no one on base." -Ralph Kiner
Bright side
Orioles won today, so we can gain a game on them
Nothing against DiMaggio who was great
but why don’t a lot of people get that Mantle was considerably better?
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
Well Joe did better in the bed that's for sure
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
Howie Rose is starting to annoy me
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
He worked well with Schneider
his last time out
Gangsta
by Jadden Hopkins on Sep 12, 2009 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions
And tomorrow
and the next day, and the day after that, and after that, and until the season is over
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
I really don't follow it as closely as i did a few months ago
I just suffer through the games and I’m watching football tomorrow.
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
By now on
I hope you mean rest of the season, cause I don’t want Schnied back next year
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
OT: did anybody see that show on the History Channel last night
about 9/11 called “102 minutes that changed the world” ???
no but i did see NBC's re-aired 9/11 news coverage
i was too young then to remember much about that day… watching the news coverage was pretty emotionally difficult though
"Solo homers usually come with no one on base." -Ralph Kiner
I can't watch that.
Living through that was once too much for me.
by MetsFan4Decades on Sep 12, 2009 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions
that's what I thought, too
but this is a collection of home videos put in time sequence.
whole new perspective.
Bad luck
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
Top 5 draft pick here we come?
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
Thank god i won't be watching this Crap
Tomorrow.Football is back.Which means the Mets are even more irrelevant than the were before
Gangsta
Look at that douche Victorino
with his gay ass mohawk
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
the only problem i have with victorino is
that i feel he overreacted to that dude in wrigley pouring beer on him
"Solo homers usually come with no one on base." -Ralph Kiner
That's the only problem you have with him?
He has to be the biggest douchebag in the sport. He basically does everything the media accuses Reyes of doing, he shows up the other teams, makes stupid plays, etc.
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
i can't imagine someone being a bigger douchebag than
a-rod or manny
"Solo homers usually come with no one on base." -Ralph Kiner
Victorino is
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
then these acts of douchebaggery are seriously under-reported
because i havent heard about anything bad he’s done
"Solo homers usually come with no one on base." -Ralph Kiner
Ha Victorino! You asshole
Cinci lost too. Are we ahead of them (behind them) yet?
Nothing can get by him; especially in a small room: Mike Francessa
Ahem
Cincy won too
Nothing can get by him; especially in a small room: Mike Francessa
by GenJackRipper on Sep 12, 2009 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions
why do we all hate
shane victorino so much
"Solo homers usually come with no one on base." -Ralph Kiner
is he like matt cerrone
do we hate him for no good reason
"Solo homers usually come with no one on base." -Ralph Kiner
Because he goosed Jose Reyes
and he is a valuable player who press dolts think is a superstar because of his grit.
And he’s been an asshole, reportedly, since he was a kid.
Nothing can get by him; especially in a small room: Mike Francessa
by GenJackRipper on Sep 12, 2009 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Ahem
"""grit"""
Nothing can get by him; especially in a small room: Mike Francessa
by GenJackRipper on Sep 12, 2009 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Because he's a whiner
and overrated.
by MetsFan4Decades on Sep 12, 2009 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions
great job nicky
i’m lobbying for an evans trade, totally sick of this dude
"Solo homers usually come with no one on base." -Ralph Kiner
how dare howie rose say the phillies get along in the clubhouse
that doesnt affect anything at all!
/sarcasm
"Solo homers usually come with no one on base." -Ralph Kiner
LOL.
Everybody gets along in a clubhouse when you’re in the home stretch and sitting in first – coming off a world series win.
by MetsFan4Decades on Sep 12, 2009 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
quote from a friend of mine when I told him that you guys were calling victorino a douchebag
“Some fans lack brain function though.”
This dude is from Minnesota and isn’t a Phillies fan.
"Solo homers usually come with no one on base." -Ralph Kiner
the point being that you guys just think he’s a douchebag because he’s a phillie
he really hasnt done anything douchebaggish
"Solo homers usually come with no one on base." -Ralph Kiner
He elbowed Jose Reyes in a double-play attempt
You are a Met fan aren’t you? What’s the point of being a Met fan if you can’t hate a player on a rival team that elbow’s one of your stars?
Nothing can get by him; especially in a small room: Mike Francessa
by GenJackRipper on Sep 12, 2009 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions
And remember
the game last year where he was whining at the plate ’cause he almost got hit?
Victorino is a whiner AND overrated.
by MetsFan4Decades on Sep 12, 2009 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Wasn't that Cody Ross?
Nothing can get by him; especially in a small room: Mike Francessa
by GenJackRipper on Sep 12, 2009 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions
From wikipedia:
“After being brushed back by Hiroki Kuroda, Victorino began to gesture towards the non-English speaking pitcher that it was alright that he throw inside, just as long as he didn’t do so at his head. After grounding out to second, he continued to gesture at Kuroda and benches from both teams cleared. Victorino quickly became the villain for Dodger fans and was booed each time he came up to bat. After the game, Victorino was fined $2,500 by the league for his part in the incident”
Just to show you that I am objective about who I call a douchebag, here is alist of famous Met douchebags
1. Bobby Bonilla
2. Vince Coleman
3. Armando Benitez
4. Tom Glavine
5. Jerry Manuel
6. Ricky Henderson
Need more?
did he say anything that wasn't true ?.
I know he broke “the code” of the clubhouse, but he did speak the truth, no ?.
Billy was an asshole
no doubt. Just his comments after the game, the whole “Know your place, rook” thing. he was an asshole.
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
7. Jose Reyes
Great player but I’m absolutely tired of his shenanigans
"Solo homers usually come with no one on base." -Ralph Kiner
You're kidding right?
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
no
if I was kidding I’d have put “/sarcasm” at the end of it
"Solo homers usually come with no one on base." -Ralph Kiner
What shenanigans has he done?
Is it the injury or the whole enjoying playing baseball thing? If Jose was white with the name Joseph, people would be talking about his enthusiasm for the game, but since he’s Latin, he’s a crybaby.
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
it's the whole
showing up other teams, and often playing lazily thing
"Solo homers usually come with no one on base." -Ralph Kiner
What showing up other teams?
He dance’s after a home run, Victorino actually turns to the Mets’ dugout and claps in their face after a home run. Nobody hated on Nick Swisher for his dances after home runs, cause he’s white, I sincerely believe that. And what, Reyes didn’t run out a pop up twice in 6 years? That’s lazy? Every player does it, he just got caught cause they dropped?
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
Shenanigans?
Now I know why you like Victorino…..
by MetsFan4Decades on Sep 12, 2009 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Saberhagen?
Didn’t he throw bleach at a reporter around 1993 or 94?
Also, Dallas Green and Jeff Torborg, since we’re counting managers, just for destroying a dozen young arms.
by The nye mets are my favorite team on Sep 12, 2009 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions
oh here comes noted douchebag rich dubee
"Solo homers usually come with no one on base." -Ralph Kiner
I hope we tie
I hope we play 15 innings and a double header tomorrow.
I hope we suck the life out of the Phillies bullpen so the Marlins can catch them.
"Charlie Lidge's decision is apparently Ryan Madson for the ninth"
name fail
"Solo homers usually come with no one on base." -Ralph Kiner
I'm all for losing to get a higher draft pick
but I want to destroy the Phillies
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
I wanna win, and I want the Marlins to win, too.
They play the Phillies 6 more times. I would love for them to be less than 6 games out when that starts.
I'm and Angels/Tigers fan
the Sox, then Rockies, then Cards/Dodgers, then death. Really, as long as it’s not yanks or phils I’m good
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
i hate the rockies
i want to see the dodgers win the west and the giants take the WC
"Solo homers usually come with no one on base." -Ralph Kiner
That's what they said about Chris Dudley
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
i just hate the team
because everyone acts like they are a team filled with scrappy underdogs, when they were in the world series only 2 years ago
"Solo homers usually come with no one on base." -Ralph Kiner
But but but
They lost their best player! Hence, they’re scrappy.
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
yeah
i rooted for them in the playoffs that season
i don’t like how they’re still considered underdogs by everyone, that’s why i hate them now
"Solo homers usually come with no one on base." -Ralph Kiner
am i the only one here who's gonna be mad if the rockies win the world series
"Solo homers usually come with no one on base." -Ralph Kiner
lucky play
The butcher and the baker and the people on the street, where did they go? To meet the Mets!
by Rod Gaspar Fan Club on Sep 12, 2009 7:01 PM EDT reply actions
WOOHOO!
The butcher and the baker and the people on the street, where did they go? To meet the Mets!
by Rod Gaspar Fan Club on Sep 12, 2009 7:05 PM EDT reply actions
+1
agreed
"I reject your reality and substitute my own"
-Adam Savage
by blueandorange4life on Sep 12, 2009 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Just popping on to say
DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUBS!
You don't cheer for the Mets. You drink for the Mets.
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
turned it on just in time to catch that. eat that you philly fuckbags
"I reject your reality and substitute my own"
-Adam Savage
by blueandorange4life on Sep 12, 2009 7:06 PM EDT reply actions
in a back alley.
hey, its like pelf said, its all part of the game lol
"I reject your reality and substitute my own"
-Adam Savage
by blueandorange4life on Sep 12, 2009 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I am terrified.
Just throw a few strikes, please, Frankie
by The nye mets are my favorite team on Sep 12, 2009 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions
anything that upsets phillies fans is ok in my book
"I reject your reality and substitute my own"
-Adam Savage
by blueandorange4life on Sep 12, 2009 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions
K
nicely done frankie, 1 down, two to go
"I reject your reality and substitute my own"
-Adam Savage
by blueandorange4life on Sep 12, 2009 7:13 PM EDT reply actions
BWAHAHAHAHA
Fear the breaking ball.
The butcher and the baker and the people on the street, where did they go? To meet the Mets!
by Rod Gaspar Fan Club on Sep 12, 2009 7:14 PM EDT reply actions
damn it frankie don't walk him
"I reject your reality and substitute my own"
-Adam Savage
by blueandorange4life on Sep 12, 2009 7:15 PM EDT reply actions
phew, thanks for listening
"I reject your reality and substitute my own"
-Adam Savage
by blueandorange4life on Sep 12, 2009 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions
2 down
Losing should be the goal for the rest of the year, but for today, f—k it, this is a great game to win
Yes
It makes it even better than Wright had 2 bombs and Beltran had another
Gangsta
by Jadden Hopkins on Sep 12, 2009 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions
agreed, wright is finally in double digits in HR, sweetness
"I reject your reality and substitute my own"
-Adam Savage
by blueandorange4life on Sep 12, 2009 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Can't realistically catch Baltimore
They’re 4 games “up” for the #4 pick, but they’ve got 7 with Tampa, and I think 6 with the Yankees, which makes things tough. Cleveland’s realistic at 2 up, so #5’s doable.
by The nye mets are my favorite team on Sep 12, 2009 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions
YES! GO BLUE!
The butcher and the baker and the people on the street, where did they go? To meet the Mets!
by Rod Gaspar Fan Club on Sep 12, 2009 7:16 PM EDT reply actions
Forcier to Mathews with 16 seconds left
and Michigan is going to win.
The butcher and the baker and the people on the street, where did they go? To meet the Mets!
by Rod Gaspar Fan Club on Sep 12, 2009 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions
that breaking ball he's got going is sick
"I reject your reality and substitute my own"
-Adam Savage
by blueandorange4life on Sep 12, 2009 7:17 PM EDT reply actions
good job guys
now let’s get a win for the fish tonight
"Solo homers usually come with no one on base." -Ralph Kiner
PIITB!!!
eat that phillies
happy dance
"I reject your reality and substitute my own"
-Adam Savage
by blueandorange4life on Sep 12, 2009 7:19 PM EDT reply actions
PIITB!
Sweet!
The butcher and the baker and the people on the street, where did they go? To meet the Mets!
by Rod Gaspar Fan Club on Sep 12, 2009 7:19 PM EDT reply actions
True
But this one was against the Phillies who i think we all hate.Yeah we are out of the race to beat them like this
Gangsta
by Jadden Hopkins on Sep 12, 2009 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions
think I'm gonna join MLB.TV
just to watch this game. And yes I agree the Fenway win was pretty sweet
+10000
"I reject your reality and substitute my own"
-Adam Savage
by blueandorange4life on Sep 12, 2009 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions
spoiler time
I hope we win the doubleheader tomorrow and the marlins win their next two. I’d rather the marlins get in then philly
"I reject your reality and substitute my own"
-Adam Savage
by blueandorange4life on Sep 12, 2009 7:23 PM EDT reply actions
Glad you're with us here at least
Nothing can get by him; especially in a small room: Mike Francessa
by GenJackRipper on Sep 12, 2009 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Well,
that was entertaining.
Nice effort boys.
by MetsFan4Decades on Sep 12, 2009 7:25 PM EDT reply actions
I have rarely watched Met games since the All Star Game
I’m blessed that I caught this one.
Nice job boys! Now go out there and LOSE SOME GAMES!!!
Nothing can get by him; especially in a small room: Mike Francessa
HOLY SHIT WE WON?????
I turned it off in the ninth and went out, just got home and saw this. Holy shit.
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
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