Pedro Martinez Is Still Good: Phillies 1, Mets 0
by Eric Simon on Sep 13, 2009 11:02 PM EDT
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PrintNot that it really matters much to point fingers, but without a doubt we can hang this loss on the offense. Tim Redding held the Phillies to just one run on three hits and a couple of walks, finishing six innings and pitching about as well as could be expected agaist a very good team in a very tough ballpark. Sean Green and Pedro Feliciano each contributed a hitless inning of relief.
Unfortunately for the Mets, Pedro Martinez looked like the Pedro of 2005-ish, allowing six hits and two walks while striking out seven in eight innings. Phillies manager Charlie Manuel left Martinez out there for 130 pitches, and even tried to take him out with two outs in the eighth but was Grady Littled back to the dugout. This one worked out better than Little's rebuff, as Daniel Murphy was thrown out trying to advance to third on a ball in the dirt, ending the Mets' eighth inning threat.
Ryan Madsen allowed just one baserunner -- a one out single to Brian Schneider -- in shutting the Mets down in the ninth. The Phillies took three of the four games in the series, though the Mets remain in seventh place overall in next year's draft standings. The teams ahead of them are world class losers, so the Mets will really have to pull together over the season's final three weeks if they want to out-suck the Diamondbacks and Orioles of the baseball world.
Monday is an off day as the Mets travel south to take on the Braves beginning Tuesday. Pat Misch will take on Atlanta rookie Tommy Hanson.
Haiku by Howard Megdal
Vintage performace
Sees only heartless abstain
from vote for Pedro
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Win Probability Added
Big winners: Tim Redding, +18.7% WPA, Anderson Hernandez, +12.1% WPA
Big losers: Cory Sullivan, -21.2% WPA, Jeremy Reed, -15.8% WPA
Teh aw3s0mest play: Wright leadoff double in sixth, +9.6% WPA
Teh sux0rest play: Francoeur strikeout in ninth, -9.5% WPA
Total pitcher WPA: +26.6% WPA
Total batter WPA: -76.6% WPA
GWRBI!: Chase Utley
Game Thread Roll Call
Nice job by MetsFan4Decades; his effort in the game thread embiggens us all.
| Num | Name | # of Posts |
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| 1 | MetsFan4Decades | 35 |
| 2 | fxcarden | 30 |
| 3 | Mex_17 | 20 |
| 4 | Evan_S | 9 |
| 5 | metsguy234 | 5 |
| 6 | Eric Simon | 4 |
| 7 | dcrockett17 | 3 |
| 8 | Jsz | 2 |
| 9 | James Kannengieser | 1 |
| 10 | firejerrynow | 1 |
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Now the Mets...
…can go back to phoning it in like they did against the Marlins and most of the rest of their schedule…
by EastFallowfield on Sep 13, 2009 11:06 PM EDT reply actions
Every Lousy Team...
…has a ‘miracle’ win vs the Phils pen this year. Kinda like many teams did vs the 08 Mets.
Funny how that killed the 08 Mets, yet the 09 Phillies just keep rolling along…
by EastFallowfield on Sep 14, 2009 6:15 AM EDT up reply actions
You have an unhealthy obsession with the Mets
do you even like the Phillies, Beerleaguer scum?
remember
when pedro got hurt before the 06 playoffs.
and then made it up to the mets by pitching 28 whole innings in 07.
at least he made up for it by having a 5.61 ERA in 08.
seriously, fuck the “pedro was a great met” narrative.
by firejerrymanuel on Sep 13, 2009 11:31 PM EDT reply actions
Keep fighting the strawman.
King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president
oh fuck
you’re right.
pedro was a great met.
by firejerrymanuel on Sep 13, 2009 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
No one has ever proven my point so obviously before.
King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president
what point?
i fail to see what your point is.
what strawman am i tackling?
what proof was there that he busted his ass to get back to the mets?
seriously, you keep accusing me of strawmen, all i’m saying is he was terrible for three years.
but i guess that doesn’t count.
he was hurt 3 years running. in 08 he was beset by a ton of nagging injuries that generally indicate a lack of conditioning. but yet im supposed to believe that he gave his all to be healthy in 08.
seriously, you’ve yet to make a cogent point here or on twitter, except that pedro somehow “gave his all” to pitch for the mets. you accuse me of strawmen without ever articulating how.
i guess complaining about pedro’s lack of production the last 3 years is somehow a strawman.
by firejerrymanuel on Sep 13, 2009 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Posting your expletitive-laden rant here when it has nothing to do with what Eric wrote...
I also never claimed Pedro was a “great met”. That’s the strawman argument. I said he played well when healthy and can’t be blamed for his injuries. He came back from rotator cuff surgery well ahead of schedule to help the team down the stretch in 2007. Obviously you think he was lazy and selfish and didn’t keep up with conditioning, but he’s an aging pitcher with a history of pushing his limits in games and would rather pitch than not.
Yea, he pushed himself passed what his conditioning allowed, which probably had a hand in his injuries. He’s competitive. Sorry you hate the guy for being injured, you act like it was his intent to be injured.
No one every claimed Pedro was worth his total contract for the Mets, he was merely very good when healthy. If some people do remember he too fondly for your tastes, maybe you should spare them your vitriol. He was the best pitcher in terms of talent to pitch for the Mets since Gooden.
King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president
expletive laden
= one fuck per post
i never said you claimed he was a great met. i made the claim, then you said i was wrong. i was never refuting a claim you made, i made a statement on my own that you objected too.
he was very good when healthy. aka, 1 out of 4 years + 28 extra innings.
i’m sorry that i somehow hold it against pedro for being unable to pitch for 3 years. i don’t know how i could possibly do such a thing.
it’s not like in 06 we missed the WS by one game. or the playoffs by 1 game in 07 and 08.
but since he’s talented, i can’t complain.
you were the one who objected to what i said on twitter. i said “f pedro” you objected. you essentially said, “you’re not allowed to be angry at pedro for giving the mets nothing the last 3 years.”
there are plenty of people out there who say pedro was worth his contract just for his presence. for instance, gary cohen.
once again, you responded to me. i was not responding to you. hence, any claims about me putting words in your mouth is completely spurious.
by firejerrymanuel on Sep 14, 2009 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions
in fact
your’e the one that put forth a strawmen of
“Same logic that makes people want to trade Reyes.”
yea, that’s totally analogous
by firejerrymanuel on Sep 14, 2009 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Your entire claim is that Pedro disregared conditioning and collected his money.
which is exactly what all the Reyes haters claim. Not sure how that would be a strawmen[sic] argument to begin with.
King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president
awww
[sic]
god forbid i misspelled a word.
you showed me!
i disregared [sic] your claim that i used the same logic that people use to justify trading reyes because it’s in no way the same logic
by firejerrymanuel on Sep 14, 2009 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions
your whole argument is predicated on the assumption that people consider Pedro a great Met.
but instead of just accepting the logical opposing opinion that he was too often injured to be great, you chose to hate him personally. I opposed your hate for him and blaming all of the Mete failures on him. Pure scapegoating.
King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president
your whole argument
is predicated on the assumption that there aren’t people who consider pedro to be a great met.
and there are a ton of them.
by firejerrymanuel on Sep 14, 2009 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree with Sam
I don’t understand the “f Pedro.” How can a player deserve hate for getting hurt? Unless he accidental shoots himself or gets hurt so that he doesn’t have to do his job while still collecting his monies. Pedro wanted to pitch but his body wouldn’t let him. He wasn’t worth his contract but it’s not because he didn’t try and it was a lot of fun going to Shea in ’05 whenever he started. To sum up, I like Pedro.
I don't know how you can love baseball
and not love the way Pedro competes. His contract was a bad deal for us, as it turned out (which was the fault of fate, not of Pedro), but I’m not sorry we gave it to him. It’s been good knowing him.
Even though in tonight’s game he was against us, it was kind of thrilling to see him do his thing. The man competes like a mofo.
"which was the fault of fate, not of Pedro"
or perhaps the fault of Minaya, who gave him that contract even though everyone knew he wasn’t going to play anything near four full years
"it was a lot of fun going to Shea in ’05 whenever he started."
Damn straight. That was a dang exciting year if you were lucky enough to get to a Pedro start. Do I wish he had been able to continue to pitch like that for the following three years? Yep. But I can’t hate on the guy.
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Sep 14, 2009 1:11 AM EDT up reply actions
The anger should be directed at Omar
He was the one who threw too much money and too many years at an aging pitcher who was showing signs of wear and tear. Most observers thought that contract would look good for two years and then be an albatross for the last two. That turned out to be about a half year too optimistic.
I can’t blame Pedro for taking the payday, and it was exciting to watch him in 2005. At the same time I can’t look back on his tenure with the Mets and say it was satisfying.
There is the argument that
if he did not offer the money and years he would have stayed in boston. And that if he didnt come beltran would not have come.
This comment strikes me as a bit of a non sequitur
if only because Eric didn’t assert this in his game recap, unless I am missing something.
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Sep 13, 2009 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions
no
it’s just a rant.
nothing to do with what eric said.
just ranting.
by firejerrymanuel on Sep 13, 2009 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Word.
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Sep 13, 2009 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm desperately afraid that Omar's going to resign Redding
because he’s pitched well against the Phillies.
Good for Pedro
I am very happy for him.
Last year was full of distractions for him. First and foremost his father was ill.
Gary Thorne=Simply the Best!
by The American Mr.Hockey on Sep 14, 2009 2:17 AM EDT reply actions
in terms of collecting humiliations
losing to a rejuvenated phighting Pedro must be it.
This must be the final one for the disgraceful 2009 season, right? Or is someone going to pants Mr. Met in front of a nun or children’s group to reveal a hermaphrodite?
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
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