Ike Davis Applesauce - Davis rises to #18, Mets look at free agent pitchers, Dukes is Piazza

by Joe Budd on Sep 15, 2009 7:32 AM EDT in Applesauce

Yesterday was a pretty slow news day. Some good little stories in there though. Enjoy.

Meet the Mets

Mets Walk-Offs begins a countdown of the 60 most memorable home runs in Met history.

Matt Cerrone argues that it's going to be a buyer's market for pitching this off-season after looking at the free agent names floating around. I can't wait for the 4 year - $50 million offer to Doug Davis.

Be sure to check out this season's final Amazin' Tuesday hosted by the Two Boots Tavern and organized by Faith and Fear in Flushing.

Baseball America ranked Ike Davis #18 on their final Hot Sheet of the season and Kirk Nieuwenhuis as a fast riser.

Around the NL East

The Marlins fell to the Cardinals and dropped to 7 games behind Philadelphia.

JA Happ is working his way back from injury, completing a side bullpen session without setback.

Javier Vazquez has been named the National League Player of the Week.

Rob Dibble thinks Elijah Dukes is like Mike Piazza at least in one regard.

Around MLB

New accusations surround Miguel Tejada; this time Pirates closer Matt Capps says he's stealing signs. Last I checked, every team does that.

Twins first baseman and former AL MVP Justin Morneau is done for the remainder of the season.

The Dodgers have activated everyone's favorite reliever Guillermo Mota.

Pat Burrell pleads to the Tampa fan base that he is sorry for this season.

This bad economy has affected minor league baseball as well; for the first time in six years, minor league baseball did not set an attendance record.

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Comments

Rich Harden

would be interesting if he could be had for a reasonable price. Otherwise, Joel Pineiro please.

by deadspy3 on Sep 15, 2009 7:54 AM EDT reply actions

on the surface it seems that way but the last thing we need is another guy who throws too many pitches, walks too many guys and can’t get past the 5th inning. watching him pitch live, he reminds me a lot of john maine.

i think you’re hitting on something with pineiro though whose 1.04 BB/9 this year is downright incredible (its usually around 2.5 which is still fine by me).

by Rob Castellano on Sep 15, 2009 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions

if we could get Duncan too I'd be thrilled

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Sep 15, 2009 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions

I'm on the

“Holliday + Pineiro = meaningful games in October 2010” bandwagon

by deadspy3 on Sep 15, 2009 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions

Absolutely

Though I don’t think we can afford both.

I think we’ll probably spend big on either a pitcher or a position player and then trade for the other while spending the remaining money on role players and relievers to complement internal options.

by TheBigStapler on Sep 15, 2009 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions

harangatang-o-ten

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Sep 15, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions

exactly squid

lets sign holliday and go get harang

"It's like the old phrase goes.....The balls in your court now Mr.Church, so you take that ball, you dribble it up the court and....................................... get a layup"
- Keith Hernandez

by nrmax88 on Sep 15, 2009 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions

It would help

if we could get rid of a contract (bb-rod or ollie)

by EtSuKe on Sep 15, 2009 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions

Minor League attendance

The one year I worked in the minors, I noticed a startling amount of attendance inflation (this was 2003). Teams would work very hard to get that number over last year’s number so they could write the “So-an-sos set attendance record” press release come September. Eventually that catches up to you (in addition to a shit economy).

One time I had to work a Kannapolis Intimidators Wednesday afternoon game. You could count the people in the crowd on your fingers (9 in fact). Announced attendance 500 or so. Now, even if you’re counting season ticket holders who didn’t come, you don’t get near 500. I remember walking into the press box and asking “do I need a press pass or anything?” Answer: “Nope, just friends and family today”

by HotChipWillBreakYourLegs on Sep 15, 2009 9:19 AM EDT reply actions

Cookin' the books

Everyone does it I guess

by James Kannengieser on Sep 15, 2009 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions

If we get Pineiro we better bring Duncan with him

Gangsta

by Jadden Hopkins on Sep 15, 2009 10:34 AM EDT reply actions

Pineiro would be a great pickup, as would Duncan

I vote for a package deal

"I reject your reality and substitute my own"
-Adam Savage

by blueandorange4life on Sep 15, 2009 10:40 AM EDT reply actions

The question is

Would you take LaRussa to get that package?

I vote we bring those three plus Holliday from the Cardinals.

by mets81 on Sep 15, 2009 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions

Throw in Pujols

by James Kannengieser on Sep 15, 2009 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions

And Carpenter

Gangsta

by Jadden Hopkins on Sep 15, 2009 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions

And Gibson

by Sokojoe on Sep 15, 2009 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions

And Khalil Greene

What?

by OlStubbleBeard on Sep 15, 2009 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions

McCarver too

Personal catcher

by James Kannengieser on Sep 15, 2009 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs

Sadly

they’ll probably ask for Keith in return for all these players, and we’ll be forced to reject the proposed trade.

"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Sep 15, 2009 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions

Trade

La Russa, Duncan, Pujols, Holliday, Carp, Pineiro, for GKR. Oh, and they throw in Buck and McCarver

"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"

by firejerrynow on Sep 15, 2009 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions

If we get Buck and McCarver

then I’m. I don’t care, I’m not listening to them on a regular basis. I ’d rather stay in last place then listen to those two.

"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."

by Evan_S on Sep 15, 2009 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions

supposed to say

then I’m done

"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."

by Evan_S on Sep 15, 2009 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions

I'm not quite sure why

but I really, really can’t stand LaRussa.

by deadspy3 on Sep 15, 2009 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions

let me try to help

a drunk-driving, steroid-enabling arrogant clown whose only different from Donte Stallworth and the clown who killed Nick Adenhart by dumb luck.

by Bieser's Balk on Sep 15, 2009 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions

whose = who's

im dumb

by Bieser's Balk on Sep 15, 2009 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions

Oh

That’s it!

by deadspy3 on Sep 15, 2009 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions

at least jerry's not a jerk.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Sep 15, 2009 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions

oh wait

ryan church. never mind.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Sep 15, 2009 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions

+100000

"I reject your reality and substitute my own"
-Adam Savage

by blueandorange4life on Sep 15, 2009 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions

Prediction

Pineiro will be a huge theme on Amazin Avenue this offseason.

by TheBigStapler on Sep 15, 2009 12:30 PM EDT reply actions

i'm not sure how i feel about piniero

i mean, dave duncan, out of nowhere, etc. etc.

on the other hand, ryan dempster, cliff lee, displaying repeatable skills.

if we get him, we NEED a defensive specialist MIF who can play behind pelf and him.

like…

RUBEN.

but more like adam everett or something.

by firejerrymanuel on Sep 15, 2009 1:32 PM EDT reply actions

I don't see why not

He’s pretty awesome at SS

by James Kannengieser on Sep 15, 2009 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions

UZR of -1.5 and UZR/150 of -7 for this year

But i take the Sheapark factors
so its -3.4 UZR before this year and -12.7/150

"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"

by firejerrynow on Sep 15, 2009 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions

I don't see why the park factors should differ much for infielders

by JoshNY on Sep 15, 2009 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions

Wait what?

I’m talking about Valdez, comment confusion:

Valdez
@ shortstop
2009 UZR: +1.1
Career UZR/150: +16.3

@ 2nd base (in 92 career innings so it’s SSS)
Career UZR/150: +33.5

A-Hern
@shortstop
2009 UZR: -1.5
Career UZR/150: -19.7

@ 2nd base
2009 UZR: +1.8
Career UZR/150: +7.8

by James Kannengieser on Sep 16, 2009 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions

Yeah

A-Hern for 2B. That’s what I have lobby for in the past, and will continue to do so!

by deadspy3 on Sep 16, 2009 7:00 AM EDT up reply actions

(Insert American Last Name Here)+(Insert Latino Sounding Name Here)

Smith Tegucigalpa?

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Sep 15, 2009 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions

St.John del Puente

by deadspy3 on Sep 15, 2009 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions

We messed up on not getting Wolf once

how about we get him this time? Citi is a good fit for him. He’s obviously more pricey now, but not break-the-bank pricey. I’d prefer him over Piniero.

by David G on Sep 15, 2009 1:54 PM EDT reply actions

I would agree with you on Wolf

If he wasn’t a lefty. Last year was the time to sign him over Ollie. We only have two righty starters Pelfrey and Maine and I’m not confident we will ever see Maine again. In my opinion it is imperative that we get rIght handed starter.

by Delgado on Sep 15, 2009 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions

Wolf for the epic wolf!

And disregard what Delgado says. What, we can’t win with four lefties? You’d rather have a bad righty pitcher than a good lefty one? Sure, if we have the luxury of choice, I’d pick a righty. But idk if we have that.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Sep 15, 2009 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions

Good Righties are looking slim

but i wouldn’t want a bad righty over a good lefty.

You know I’ve been a big Lackey fan, but he’s gonna cost a fortune. Piniero is the best option and Marquis is one that would be tolerable. I’d put Wolf and Marquis about even, but Wolf is having a much better year. Other than that it is only freeagents with high upside and low risk but nobody I’d be comfortable as our number 2.

I really want Lackey. He’s 31 has pitched over 20 games since 2003 and he won a world series. I just think him back to back with Santana would be a sick 1-2.

by Delgado on Sep 15, 2009 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions