The Mets believe Francoeur will look sharp in their 2010 uni, so much so that they are inclined to...

The Mets believe Francoeur will look sharp in their 2010 uni, so much so that they are inclined to approach him about signing him to a three-year contract that would allow him to become a big league Beau Brummel, if he so chose. They like what they have seen of him in and out of uniform -- from his spirited demeanor to his nuclear arm to the two doubles he produced Saturday afternoon in their victory against the Nationals.

MLB.com, specifically Marty Noble

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NOOOO

"The one thing you don't want to do is hit a home run. That's a rally-killer." -Jeff Francoeur

by RangersandMets on Sep 19, 2009 8:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Fail, fail, fail

by krg391 on Sep 19, 2009 10:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

But if this happens for anything much higher than what $4-5 million, I’m out. Seriously. I’m done. Until some sort of change is made in the front office or ownership, this organization wide evaluation ineptitude is going to continue. I really don’t want to do this…I love the Mets. I really do. But the last thing I need is to devote my time and passion to a team that’s never going to get any better.
So don’t fucking do it.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Sep 19, 2009 10:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Seriously

Signing this guy to a three year extension is ridiculous within itself. I knew management had lost touch with a few things but this is ludicrous. There are no quotes from the club but if they’re this optimistic as the writer makes it seem; they’re out of their fucking minds.

by dulciusEXasperis on Sep 19, 2009 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

$12-13M

I agree, it should be under $5M/yr. I doubt he would get more than 3years/$15M if he were a FA. But he’s not a FA unless the Mets non-tender him. I would offer $12.5M for 3 years. Something like 3.5+4+5. I don’t see him doing much better than that through arbitration.

The arbitration process is designed to encourage teams and players to negotiate and agree before things get to arbitration. This is one way to do that. So nothing wrong with making an offer, per se, it’s just the Mets history of absurdly overvaluing marginal players who play well in a small sample that makes me a bit apprehensive.

I also don’t know why everyone is so reluctant to go to arbitration, though. If you lose in arbitration, it’s at least not a guaranteed contract. You can release the guy and only owe 30 days pay. I think you could probably win offering $3-3.5M in arbitration, and it would be worth releasing him if he got awarded as much as $5-6M.

by acerimusdux on Sep 20, 2009 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

"[A] big league Beau Brummel [sic]"?

Because he’s a dandy? He’s gonna teach the other Mets how to dress?

"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Sep 19, 2009 10:33 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs

More likely it’s because he’ll die penniless and insane from strokes and cancer.

phliadelphoe ite domum!

by Doc Manhattan on Sep 19, 2009 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Er, that is, “strokes and syphillis.”

phliadelphoe ite domum!

by Doc Manhattan on Sep 19, 2009 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

hey

“You could really be a Beau Brummel baby if you just gave it half a chance.”

Billy Joel

by Endys Game on Sep 20, 2009 8:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

is THAT what he says there?

I had no idea

by JoshNY on Sep 20, 2009 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Do the Mets know Jeff Francoeur sucks at baseball?

"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."

by Evan_S on Sep 19, 2009 11:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

who are the children in the mets front office that are telling marty this?

how can marty seriously believe them? making a fly by night, chuck shit against the wall, who gives a fudge trade in the midst of a tanking season is one thing, but buying this terarded line of horseshit about francoeur’s winning personality and strong throwing arm somehow makes him a valuable baseball commodity?

i’m serious, who the hell, from the dumbest fan on up to wilpon, possibly believes this garbage? are we a bunch of 3rd graders, so easily duped into eating a plate full of wretch inducing brussel sprouts? enough of this crap.

STOP SHITTING IN MY MOUTH AND CALLING IT A SUNDAE, METS.

Lets hope that when gut check time comes again the Mets will pass it with flying colors.

by kendynamo on Sep 19, 2009 11:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

oh god no

Please, please, no.

by anonymous on Sep 19, 2009 11:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

personally i like frenchy

he’s not that good, but i like him. seems like a nice guy

"Solo homers usually come with no one on base." -Ralph Kiner

by metsguy234 on Sep 19, 2009 11:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

i'm a nice guy

Mets, sign ME to a three year extension!!!

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Sep 19, 2009 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'd rather an asshole who's good

than a nice guy who sucks. You win more games with the former.

"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."

by Evan_S on Sep 19, 2009 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I've come to like Frenchie, he's charmed me

But a 3 year contract would be travesty in every way, no matter the price. (I mean, unless it’s 300 grand a year.) Anything more than 1 year would be a travesty.

However, I some time ago made a solemn vow to not let anything Marty Noble writes bother me, so I’m going to ignore this until there’s actually something to be bothered about.

by SuperT on Sep 20, 2009 12:26 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

sigh.....

Maybe it’s time to stop thinking about the Tampa Bay Rays as my AL mistress and start actively rooting for them primarily.

At least its football season and the Giants looked OK last week.

Somehow, a chain of events unfolded that put Steve Phillips in a professional broadcast booth Sunday night so he could rip Carlos Beltran. Try to explain that in any other terms.

by Greenpoint Ian on Sep 20, 2009 12:55 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

we're so awesome

by Gina on Sep 20, 2009 1:53 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

And people thought there was a chance they would non-tender him.

lol

"I was so frustrated [Saturday], I [could have said] anything," ~Oliver Perez

by Lance Johnson on Sep 20, 2009 2:07 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

The only thing I can look to for comfort

They didn’t sign John Maine to an extension after intimating they would a couple years ago.

by All Shook Down on Sep 20, 2009 2:39 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

We really should have expected this.

There was never really any doubt. Alex Cora got 2.5 mill, and he doesn’t even give the illusion of being valuable.

Expect the worst. 4 mill per year for 4 years.

Nothing can get by him; especially in a small room: Mike Francessa

by GenJackRipper on Sep 20, 2009 4:42 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

$18m/3

"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"

by firejerrynow on Sep 20, 2009 6:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

[cleans vomit off keyboard]

by HotChipWillBreakYourLegs on Sep 20, 2009 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

forget firing Jerry.... FIRE OMAR

AND THE WILPONS

"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"

by firejerrynow on Sep 20, 2009 6:58 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

folks keep in mind the source here is Marty Noble

not themost reliable. I think Francour will be here next year which is bad enough but I am going to go out on a limb and say no way even Omar signs him for three years.

by Endys Game on Sep 20, 2009 8:09 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Why would you think no way?

Francoeur’s numbers with the Mets and his draft-pick status pedigree are more than enough for Omar to think that a 3yr/18mil. contract would be a steal. I think you give Omar too much credit. The “brain” trust of the Mets is bound to see Francoeur as a classic case of a “change of scenery.” Bank on a multi-year deal. We are the Pirates now.

by Dapoil on Sep 20, 2009 8:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hey, if Frenchy is like Beau Brummel

does he coat his cleats with the Champagne that was supposed to be sipped in 2007?

"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"

by firejerrynow on Sep 20, 2009 8:19 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

You don't cheer for the Mets. You drink for the Mets.

by Kevin H on Sep 20, 2009 8:54 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs

Jeff's new nickname

Forget Frenchy, Failcoeur, Wincoeur, Mr. French – it’s Beau Brummel (sic Marty Noble) for me. Beau will do.

by James Kannengieser on Sep 20, 2009 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hey, we signed Oliver Perez to a 3 year deal.

Francoeur has less fail in him than Ollie.

by fxcarden on Sep 20, 2009 9:15 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Im not so sure

both decieve for big time contract

"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"

by firejerrynow on Sep 20, 2009 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

only Marty Noble

Beau Brummel is hitting .348 in September

by nelsonc on Sep 20, 2009 9:23 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

His OBP is also .348 in september

"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"

by firejerrynow on Sep 20, 2009 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs

We need to get Omar out of here soon

before he does any more bad things

by EtSuKe on Sep 20, 2009 11:44 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Frenchy

The big thing with Frenchy while he’s been a Met: he’s hitting a LOT more line drives.

Career: 19.7%
2009 with Braves: 17.6%
2009 with Mets: 24.9%

Assuming this is unsustainable, we should be ready for the other shoe to drop soon.

But there is other good news: Frenchy is gradually gotten better at avoiding strikeouts.

2005: 22.6%
2006: 20.3%
2007: 20.1%
2008: 18.5%
2009: 15.4%

A high LD% and a low K%, in combination, generally produce a good batting average. He’s probably never going to walk very much, but if he compensates for that with good BA, he’s a serviceable player. Again, any optimism (I think) is contingent on Frenchy hitting live drives at a better rate. But based on his performance as a Met, I am happy to bring him back on a one-year deal. (I think three years is silly.)

by sjohnson125 on Sep 20, 2009 11:57 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

one year, at $3 million

at best, he is an average player

"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"

by firejerrynow on Sep 20, 2009 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Church is an average player

Francoeur is replacement

"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."

by Evan_S on Sep 20, 2009 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

small sample size

also, he has been below replacement this year even with a .280 avg. and he doesn’t hit for much power.

by EtSuKe on Sep 20, 2009 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Oh I agree...

I think it is highly likely that the LD% is unsustainable, but I’m willing to throw him a year on the off chance that it is.

by sjohnson125 on Sep 20, 2009 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

maybe 1 yr/1 mil

by EtSuKe on Sep 20, 2009 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

rember its Marty Noble

by gbaked on Sep 20, 2009 2:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

ugh

remember its Marty Noble… not to be trusted. I dont think even omar would go three years.

I would think that they are happy with him, and someone mused to marty that mets brass could see him being here for 3 years. But even Omar has to realize it would be crazy to not offer him 1 year and see if he can sustain this.

based on how he has played since coming here, I think he has earned another year. If you have him and pagan (along with lets say another awesome LFer… craw or hol) I can see it as a good hedging of the bet that one of them breaks out next season.

but 3 years? after being awful for so long and only playing well for a small sample size? No. Not even Omar.

by gbaked on Sep 20, 2009 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

You're giving him too much credit

by BobbyV_Incognito on Sep 20, 2009 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

who

francoeur?

by gbaked on Sep 20, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

oh... omar

im an idiot today. nevermind.

i may be.

hopeful optimism? fear of the otherwise?

by gbaked on Sep 20, 2009 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Sustain what?

Sucking?

"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."

by Evan_S on Sep 20, 2009 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Playing good (relatively) for 65 games does not earn someone an extension,

especially after a history of being horrible. You should give (or not give) Francoeur a contract on his projection going forward.

by EtSuKe on Sep 20, 2009 10:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

But he's gritty

and more importantly, white.

"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."

by Evan_S on Sep 20, 2009 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

3/15, and YOU'LL LIKE IT!

The Mets FO are going to see Francoeur as just the shot in the arm the club needs after the disaster of 2009. That he plays hurt will appeal to Freddy and Omar as well, since they’ve made it clear they think even decapitation can be overcome with a little grit. Signing Frenchy to a 3 year deal will “show” the fanbase they’re committed to winning. I’m guessing 3/15.

I do think his performance with the Mets has earned Francoeur the fourth OFers slot going into 2010. In fact, I think he’d be one of the better 4th OFers in the majors. What’s that worth—1/3 or so?

by SeanSchirmer on Oct 18, 2009 2:49 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs