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Jeff Francoeur Lives In The Now

When projecting the future performance of the Mets, no one gives me fits like Jeff Francoeur. While some people deny it, players follow career trends, things regress, and variability plays a big role in both how players and teams perform. Statistical analysis of baseball seemingly revolves around the central question of "what is player X's true talent level?" This science often involves looking at trends in data and assigning certain results as "skill" and others (often hastily) as "luck." There's significant grey area as the means of measuring what's on the field fall short. What's a linedrive? Is that a soft liner or a flyball? A low liner or a hard groundball?

It seems no player dabbles more in the grey than Jeff Francoeur. The nature of his offensive game (no walks, decent contact rate) makes the difference between a good season and bad season 2 more fluky home runs and 6 more bloop hits. Folks talk about luck in the context of balls-in-play, because there's so many factors that affect a batter's BABIP. People get caught up in one way of calculating BABIP and heated debates ensue about what a players "true talent" is. Is Jeff Francoeur's true talent his .308 career BABIP? I doubt it looking at this:

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via www.fangraphs.com

Now check out his trend in overall offensive production:

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via www.fangraphs.com

Last season, four of Francoeur's eleven homeruns were "just enough" according to Hit Tracker, meaning the ball cleared the fence by less than 10 vertical feet. That's ~30 feet between a horrible .239/.294/.359 season and an unspeakable .232/.288/.332 line. That could probably be said for other players too, but David Wright hit 23 fewer homeruns this year and struckout at an alarming rate, but managed to maintain very good production because he walks and consistently hits for high average.

Francoeur's defense works in a similar way. His best defensive season according to UZR was 2007 when he was an outstanding 17.1 runs above average due to a +16.5 run arm. The next season he was -4.7 because his arm wasn't nearly as productive and his range was horrible. So far with the Mets, Francoeur is something like a ridiculous 11 runs below average according to UZR which I would contend is more noise than anything, not representative of Francoeur's true talent. But what is? One would think displaying a great throwing arm requires the right situation (men advancing or not advancing on base) and is thus not as a repeatable a skill as tracking down every fly ball nearby. Offense and defense both considered, the difference between 3 WAR and -1 WAR season from Francoeur seems laughably small.

I've enjoyed that uncertainty watching Francoeur this season. He's played pretty well, despite nearly a season and half of being unbelievable terrible. With Frenchy, every hit and catch seems more important in a weird sort of way. Homeruns are monumental occasions. I'm also a sucker for personalities. I love to watch players smash coolers. Who doesn't? I also think there's a southern bias here.

But that's not a good reason to commit to him. I don't mind the Mets offering him arbitration, given a low figure, then cutting him when they get a better player. Or maybe keeping him as a platoon/bench guy. Betting next season on this guy, however, is not a good idea. I find it funny (and typical) that Mets fans are tripping over themselves to anoint Francoeur the RFer of the future because of one hot steak considering: A. his whole career is a series of elongated hot and cold streaks and B. he's the most uncertain commodity in baseball. You would think after 3 straight dissappointing season caused by injuries and relief pitcher explosions (the kind of players you expect to be this volitale), Mets fans would be clamoring for the sure thing. Nope, we want Jeff Francoeur, the human coin-flip, because he smashes water coolers and high-fives your hand off.

I wrote about the things Francoeur was doing differently and the same since he arrived with the Mets earlier, and I do believe he's played well since getting here. I don't think he's been "lucky" as a hitter and I don't want to make a judgment on his defense yet. The problem is: will that Francoeur show up next year? Don't answer that, you have no idea. The best well can do is project his performance using one of the many systems out there. Without knowing, I'm sure they'll call for another below average offensive year, with the upside of average.

And that's the problem. The upside for Francoeur is just league-average rightfield bat and maybe good defense. The downside is unspeakably bad and very probable. It's nearly impossible to argue these facts with some Mets fans because they can't forget their emotional attachment to the guy, step back, and realize his production can be replicated and surpassed for far less money and with far less downside if the Mets were just to go another direction. For me, Francoeur is a fascinating development of this lost season, but totally frivolous to any smart, long-term plan.

If a three-year extension of any kind is seriously on the table, the Wilpons might as well just throw their money in the air and hope it floats over to Matt Holliday.

Any Francoeur Avenue jokes will be met with a 24-hour ban.

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by James Kannengieser on Sep 21, 2009 9:14 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

agree with everything
I’m also a sucker for personalities. I love to watch players smash coolers.

I’m guessing you’ll be advocating for the Mets to trade for Carlos Zambrano in your next post, then….

by englishgrey on Sep 21, 2009 9:45 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I believe true-talent level is determined by the very last game played.

I was really high on Frenchy saturday night but by sunday afternoon, I realized he’s going to bat .000/.250/.000. Sorry but that’s not a major-league right-fielder…until tonight.

by OlStubbleBeard on Sep 21, 2009 9:47 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I just wish the guy would take a base on balls once in a while

The man has so much faith in his contact ability, which is pretty good, that his confident swinging area has become huger than the strikezone itself.

It’s very hard for pitchers to paint the corners. When they try to nibble, more often than not, they throw a lot of balls. When a hitter reaches for contact, he lets the pitcher control the at bat because he can throw wherever he wants to.

Some new hitting coach needs to tell Francoeur not to swing at certain pitches (that are even in his perceived strike zone). There’s no reason a man with such a good contact rate and such good bat speed can’t crank out 20+ home runs every year and hit for high average if he’s patient.

by TheBigStapler on Sep 21, 2009 10:27 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

He DOES NOT LISTEN to hitting coaches.

"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti

by sddbaker on Sep 21, 2009 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's a 1 win player

I was one of the few around here who liked the Francoeur trade, I argued then that his BABIP and power would rebound. I even have argued for offering arbitration. But even I don’t think this is a guy you want to pencil into a starting spot. And I sure as heck don’t want to see him being paid for any intangibles.

What would Francoeur get in the market right now if he were a free agent? Would he get more than $5M-$6M a year then? Whatever that number is, he should be getting substantially less for the first two years of any contract. If they want to avoid arbitration and lock him up through his prime age 26-28 seasons, and maybe have some upside there if he does turn things around, fine.

But, I don’t think he’s any better a player than Pagan, and shouldn’t be paid as if he were either, just because he’s white, smashes water coolers, and talks to the media. Ideally, I’d like to see both of those guys in a platoon in RF, with a proven run producer/saver added in LF, and with Fernando as insurance in AAA.

Just as I think he was a bit under valued coming off one and a half horrid seasons of play, I think he’s being over valued now by those who argue he has been “good as a Met”. If the Mets had followed that logic last offseason, we might have been stuck with Luis Ayala in the pen this year (and there were people advocating that last offseason).

by acerimusdux on Sep 21, 2009 12:26 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm a little confused about two lines
Is Jeff Francoeur’s true talent his .308 career BABIP? I doubt it looking at this (Pic of BABIP chart)

Is Frenchy’s career BABIP not an accurate reflection of his talent? Is this saying that Frenchy’s BABIP flucates more so then the average batter. I made a chart (that is kind of butchered by SBnations formatting) that contains Wright and Francoeur’s career BABIP as well as season by season BABIP. Wright’s BABIP appears more stable due to grouping but his standard deviation is actually greater than Francoeur. Not saying that this is anyway definitive but I just haven’t seen anything that has told me that Jeff’s BABIP is special but would love to hear more on the subject.

Also,

The problem is: will that Francoeur show up next year? Don’t answer that, you have no idea.

Ouch, that was kind of harsh. I thought AA is all about giving your opinions and joining the discourse as long as you try to back it up with rational thought. While BABIP seems to be almost impossible to predict, I still think using projections systems or your own averages is still a good estimation because I still don’t see how Frenchy is different from other players and should be excluded because of his “volatile” BABIP. Again, maybe I’m missing something.

by Sokojoe on Sep 21, 2009 2:04 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Is this saying that Frenchy’s BABIP flucates more so then the average batter.

no

I thought AA is all about giving your opinions and joining the discourse as long as you try to back it up with rational thought.

no, it’s about admitting you have a drinking problem and establishing a support group to help overcome it.

King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president

by Sam Page on Sep 21, 2009 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fixed it

no, it’s about admitting you have a drinking Mets problem and establishing a support group to help overcome it.

by blains2000 on Sep 21, 2009 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I am tired

of all these posts everywhere in the meternet about this guy. All the time… with both sides saying basically the same thing each time.

I dont want Jeff on the Mets anymore simply so I can start to like looking at blogs again.

by gbaked on Sep 21, 2009 4:20 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

While I agree

that he is emphasized a bit too much over the rest of the roster, I think this site has done a good job of adding something new to the discussion with every post.

And his story is changing as we’re no longer debating whether or not he’s good for the team or better than Ryan Church but whether or not he’ll be good for the team in 2010.

by TheBigStapler on Sep 21, 2009 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mex_17: WHAT THE---

WHAT SORT OF METS SITE IS THIS?!?!? EVERY TIME I LOG ON HERE, HOPING FOR A LITTLE LIGHT HEARTED DISCUSSION OF OMIR SANTOS’ CATCHING PROWESS, AND I’M MET WITH THIS NONSENSE! YOU GUYS ARE JUST JEALOUS OF FRANCOUER!!! WHAT IS THIS, FRANCOUER AVENUE?
/please don’t ban me.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Sep 21, 2009 5:48 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

please, don't give me that.

You bring it upon yourself. Anyone else would agree.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Sep 21, 2009 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Clarification "Any Francoeur Avenue jokes will be met with a 24-hour ban."

We can’t make Francoueur Avenue jokes on this post only or on all AA?

by Michkin on Sep 21, 2009 6:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

This brings up one of the issues I have with UZR

Has Jeff Francoeur actually regressed defensively because players no longer try to go 1st to 3rd on a hard hit line drive? His UZR would improve if teams were more willing to gamble, but would that actually result in a better Mets team? Has Juan Pierre actually improved his arm because everybody now runs on him? Looking at Pierre’s arm rating would lead you to believe that, but the reality is that he now throws out more runners by default because everybody is willing to run on him.

"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green

by Schmidtxc on Sep 21, 2009 6:11 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

UZR accounts for times his arm prevented a player from advancing too.

King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president

by Sam Page on Sep 21, 2009 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It does, but it seems to me like a player with an excellent arm benefits more from making outs then preventing runners from advancing to UZR

It also seems like players with extremely poor arms benefit due to the fact that everyone is willing to test them.

"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green

by Schmidtxc on Sep 21, 2009 6:26 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The best we can do to project Francoeur is his projection

We can try to guess, but it doesn’t do much good. His value is tied with his BABIP because of the lack of walks, so his has more severe hot and cold streaks.

by EtSuKe on Sep 21, 2009 7:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Francouer has no past or future. He IS.

For Jeff Francouer, time is relative. He walks through it, sidestepping the pitfalls of time with the ease that mere mortals walk down the sidewalk. Jeff Francouer does not live in the now. He IS the Now.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Sep 21, 2009 10:51 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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