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Different Venue, Same Result: Braves 11, Mets 3

The good news: Daniel Murphy hit his eleventh homerun of the season, inching closer to John Stearns, John Milner, and Steve Henderson of the 1977 Mets, who each hit twelve homeruns that season, the lowest team-leading mark in franchise history. So, yay for that.

The bad news: Pat Misch was terrible again, but that can't really come as a surprise to anyone who has either watched Misch this season or for that matter has watched Misch ever. Misch faced twelve batters in all, retiring four and allowing the other eight to score. It was the fifth time in franchise history that a starting pitcher allowed at least that many runs while recording four outs or fewer.

7/4/1989 - Bob Ojeda allowed eight runs on six hits in two-thirds of an inning against Mike Scott and the Astros. One of the two outs to his credit was a strikeout of Scott. Houston racked up five singles, a double, two walks, and a hit-by-pitch to drive Ojeda from the game. Kevin Tapani came on in relief and balked in Billy Hatcher, who was on third when Ojeda departed. The Astros would go on to win 10-3.

9/17/1997 - Bobby Jones allowed eight runs -- four earned -- on three hits and four walks against the Braves. Jones failed to retire a single batter and even tossed in a throwing error for good measure. Atlanta won the game 10-2; a Butch Huskey solo shot was the only highlight for the Mets.

8/9/1984 - Bruce Berenyi lasted just 1.1 innings against the Pirates, surrendering nine runs on five hits, four walks, and a wild pitch. Pittsburgh won the game 11-0 behind a two-hit, ten-strikeout performance by Rick Rhoden.

7/19/1988 - Ron Darling coughed up nine runs -- five earned -- on five hits and three walks, two homeruns, and a wild pitch in two-thirds of an inning. Howard Johnson got things started with a throwing error and it all fell apart from there. The Mets lost the game 11-2.

Haiku by Howard Megdal

Can we at last say
That mediocre Misch ain't
Glavine or Moyer?

Star-divide

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Win Probability Added

Big winners: Luis Castillo, +2.2% WPA, Daniel Murphy, +1.8% WPA
Big losers: Pat Misch, -42.6% WPA, Carlos Beltran, -3.1% WPA
Teh aw3s0mest play: Castillo single in first, +2.1% WPA
Teh sux0rest play: Anderson two-run homerun, -14.3% WPA
Total pitcher WPA: -44.6% WPA
Total batter WPA: -5.4% WPA
GWRBI!: Garret Anderson

Game Thread Roll Call

Nice job by fxcarden; his effort in the game thread embiggens us all.

Num Name # of Posts
1 fxcarden 32
2 Michkin 18
3 Syler 17
4 Jadden Hopkins 16
5 MetsFan4Decades 15
6 metsguy234 14
7 MetsKnicksRutgers 14
8 David G 6
9 firejerrynow 5
10 TheBigStapler 2

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I was going to start a front page post myself, but it went to fanposts instead

http://www.amazinavenue.com/2009/9/21/1047653/misch-ion-failed-braves-11-mets-3

It’s titled “Misch-ion Failed: Braves 11, Mets 3”. I wanted to post it on the front page but wasn’t able to. I’m thinking perhaps, that I might need some form of special administrative privileges, perhaps? Anyhow, “Misch-ion Failed” is a catchy title.

I say we make humor out of a worsening situation -it’s not like we have anything to lose, anyway!

Legend has it, that when the full moon strikes the pitchers' mound at a Mets game, Mr. Met turns into Evil Mr. Met...

by sj10689 on Sep 21, 2009 10:08 PM EDT reply actions  

I say we make humor out of a worsening situation -it’s not like we have anything to lose, anyway!

Except another game, of course…

Legend has it, that when the full moon strikes the pitchers' mound at a Mets game, Mr. Met turns into Evil Mr. Met...

by sj10689 on Sep 21, 2009 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I await the day I don't have to hear the following names mentioned in accordance with the Mets:

Misch, Figeroa, Redding, Schneider, Sullivan, Tatis, Valdez, Anderson Hernandez, Broadway, Dessens, Takahasi, Manuel, Minaya, Wilpon.

Did I miss anybody?

by Rigsay on Sep 21, 2009 10:22 PM EDT reply actions  

It's highly unlikely Wilpon will get fired, though...

I’m not necessarily saying I would support that move, but perhaps it’s not practical to include his name. Besides, Wilpon did give Minaya executive powers over the team’s management. You should probably put Minaya’s name twice, for that matter.

Imagine, though… the OWNER getting fired.

Legend has it, that when the full moon strikes the pitchers' mound at a Mets game, Mr. Met turns into Evil Mr. Met...

by sj10689 on Sep 22, 2009 4:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm sure Glavien G162 would have joined this esteemed group

if he had only finished the fucking inning.
And Pat Misch pitched terribly, to the surprise of absolutely no one with an IQ higher than their waist size.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Sep 21, 2009 10:47 PM EDT reply actions  

We forgot about Steve Trachsel, and how he managed to post a winning record with an ERA around 5

Just like Randy Johnson for the Yankees – but he’s a HOFer, which is a big difference.

Legend has it, that when the full moon strikes the pitchers' mound at a Mets game, Mr. Met turns into Evil Mr. Met...

by sj10689 on Sep 21, 2009 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Payroll efficiency formula

NEWSFLASH: I do in fact have a formula for payroll/win efficiency! This is based on YTD results, and generally increases as the season goes on.

Let:

E = Efficiency rating
L = Losses
Pa = League average payroll (constant)
Pt = Team payroll
W = Wins

K = (W² / (W + L) – a measure of a team’s "power"
√K * E (Square root of (Power x Efficiency)- Number that shows how well a team maximizes on returns, based on power and efficiency.

Pa = $88,336,287

38.07 = Average efficiency rating
38.07 = Average power rating

38.60 = Median efficiency rating
38.90 = Median power rating
-———————————

The formula is: (W² / (W + L)) * (Pa / Pt), or K * (Pa / Pt)

I hate to admit it, but when it comes to this, the Mets are the cream of the crap! Nobody should object to the workings behind this carefully constructed formula, based on the findings.

EFFICIENCY RATING LEADERBOARD

Rk / .Total Payroll. / ..W – L.. / .Pow. / Eff. Rtg./√K * E/ Team
01 / $036,814,000 / 80 – 70 / 42.67 / 102.38 / 66.09 / Florida Marlins
02 / $042,796,700 / 68 – 82 / 30.83 / 063.63 / 44.29 / San Diego Padres
03 / $068,646,023 / 81 – 67 / 44.33 / 057.05 / 50.29 / Texas Rangers
04 / $075,201,000 / 85 – 65 / 48.17 / 056.58 / 52.20 / Colorado Rockies
05 / $063,313,035 / 77 – 73 / 39.53 / 055.15 / 46.69 / Tampa Bay Rays
06 / $065,299,267 / 76 – 73 / 38.77 / 052.44 / 45.09 / Minnesota Twins
07 / $088,528,411 / 87 – 63 / 50.46 / 050.35 / 50.41 / St. Louis Cardinals
08 / $062,310,000 / 71 – 78 / 33.83 / 047.96 / 40.28 / Oakland Athletics
09 / $100,458,101 / 90 – 60 / 54.00 / 047.48 / 50.64 / Los Angeles Dodgers
10 / $082,161,450 / 80 – 69 / 42.95 / 046.18 / 44.54 / San Francisco Giants
11 / $113,709,000 / 89 – 60 / 53.16 / 041.30 / 46.86 / Los Angeles Angels
12 / $079,857,502 / 74 – 75 / 36.75 / 040.65 / 38.65 / Milwaukee Brewers
13 / $113,004,048 / 87 – 61 / 51.14 / 039.98 / 45.22 / Philadelphia Phillies
14 / $070,968,500 / 69 – 81 / 31.74 / 039.51 / 35.41 / Cincinnati Reds
15 / $048,743,000 / 56 – 91 / 21.33 / 038.66 / 28.72 / Pittsburgh Pirates
16 / $122,696,000 / 89 – 59 / 53.52 / 038.53 / 45.41 / Boston Red Sox
17 / $096,726,167 / 79 – 70 / 41.89 / 038.25 / 40.03 / Atlanta Braves
18 / $098,904,167 / 78 – 72 / 40.56 / 036.23 / 38.33 / Seattle Mariners
19 / $073,571,667 / 65 – 85 / 28.17 / 033.82 / 30.86 / Arizona Diamondbacks
20 / $096,068,500 / 73 – 77 / 35.53 / 032.67 / 34.07 / Chicago White Sox
21 / $115,085,145 / 79 – 70 / 41.89 / 032.15 / 36.70 / Detroit Tigers
22 / $080,993,657 / 66 – 83 / 29.23 / 031.89 / 30.53 / Toronto Blue Jays
23 / $067,101,667 / 60 – 89 / 24.16 / 031.81 / 27.72 / Baltimore Orioles
24 / $070,908,333 / 61 – 88 / 24.97 / 031.11 / 27.87 / Kansas City Royals
25 / $102,996,415 / 70 – 79 / 32.89 / 028.21 / 30.46 / Houston Astros
26 / $081,625,567 / 61 – 88 / 24.97 / 027.03 / 25.98 / Cleveland Indians
27 / $201,449,289 / 95 – 55 / 60.17 / 026.38 / 39.84 / New York Yankees*
28 / $059,328,000 / 51 – 98 / 17.46 / 025.99 / 21.30 / Washington Nationals
29 / $135,050,000 / 76 – 72 / 39.03 / 025.53 / 31.56 / Chicago Cubs
30 / $135,773,988 / 65 – 85 / 28.17 / 018.33 / 22.72 / New York Mets

POWER – EFFICIENCY RETURNS LEADERBOARD

Rk / .Total Payroll. / ..W – L.. / .Pow. / Eff. Rtg./√K * E/ Team
01 / $036,814,000 / 80 – 70 / 42.67 / 102.38 / 66.09 / Florida Marlins
02 / $075,201,000 / 85 – 65 / 48.17 / 056.58 / 52.20 / Colorado Rockies
03 / $100,458,101 / 90 – 60 / 54.00 / 047.48 / 50.64 / Los Angeles Dodgers
04 / $088,528,411 / 87 – 63 / 50.46 / 050.35 / 50.41 / St. Louis Cardinals
05 / $068,646,023 / 81 – 67 / 44.33 / 057.05 / 50.29 / Texas Rangers
06 / $113,709,000 / 89 – 60 / 53.16 / 041.30 / 46.86 / Los Angeles Angels
07 / $063,313,035 / 77 – 73 / 39.53 / 055.15 / 46.69 / Tampa Bay Rays
08 / $122,696,000 / 89 – 59 / 53.52 / 038.53 / 45.41 / Boston Red Sox
09 / $113,004,048 / 87 – 61 / 51.14 / 039.98 / 45.22 / Philadelphia Phillies
10 / $065,299,267 / 76 – 73 / 38.77 / 052.44 / 45.09 / Minnesota Twins
11 / $082,161,450 / 80 – 69 / 42.95 / 046.18 / 44.54 / San Francisco Giants
12 / $042,796,700 / 68 – 82 / 30.83 / 063.63 / 44.29 / San Diego Padres
13 / $062,310,000 / 71 – 78 / 33.83 / 047.96 / 40.28 / Oakland Athletics
14 / $096,726,167 / 79 – 70 / 41.89 / 038.25 / 40.03 / Atlanta Braves
15 / $201,449,289 / 95 – 55 / 60.17 / 026.38 / 39.84 / New York Yankees*
16 / $079,857,502 / 74 – 75 / 36.75 / 040.65 / 38.65 / Milwaukee Brewers
17 / $098,904,167 / 78 – 72 / 40.56 / 036.23 / 38.33 / Seattle Mariners
18 / $115,085,145 / 79 – 70 / 41.89 / 032.15 / 36.70 / Detroit Tigers
19 / $070,968,500 / 69 – 81 / 31.74 / 039.51 / 35.41 / Cincinnati Reds
20 / $096,068,500 / 73 – 77 / 35.53 / 032.67 / 34.07 / Chicago White Sox
21 / $135,050,000 / 76 – 72 / 39.03 / 025.53 / 31.56 / Chicago Cubs
22 / $073,571,667 / 65 – 85 / 28.17 / 033.82 / 30.86 / Arizona Diamondbacks
23 / $080,993,657 / 66 – 83 / 29.23 / 031.89 / 30.53 / Toronto Blue Jays
24 / $102,996,415 / 70 – 79 / 32.89 / 028.21 / 30.46 / Houston Astros
25 / $048,743,000 / 56 – 91 / 21.33 / 038.66 / 28.72 / Pittsburgh Pirates
26 / $070,908,333 / 61 – 88 / 24.97 / 031.11 / 27.87 / Kansas City Royals
27 / $067,101,667 / 60 – 89 / 24.16 / 031.81 / 27.72 / Baltimore Orioles
28 / $081,625,567 / 61 – 88 / 24.97 / 027.03 / 25.98 / Cleveland Indians
29 / $135,773,988 / 65 – 85 / 28.17 / 018.33 / 22.72 / New York Mets
30 / $059,328,000 / 51 – 98 / 17.46 / 025.99 / 21.30 / Washington Nationals

As of September 20, 2009

*If you’re wondering how the Yankees are the 4th least efficient team, it’s because they basically paid their way to domination (ticket strategy). Efficiency rating is more of a rating of teams getting a bang for their buck – it’s fitting that the Marlins are waaay ahead, and that the top-payed players are getting paid far, far too much money (that’s why NYY is down there.) Since the Yankees are an outlier in team payrolls, let’s chalk this one up as a special case. Outliers have tendencies to be very misleading. But to give you an example of how efficient the Marlins really are, if NYY went 162 – 0, their rating would still be 75.5 – well short of the Marlins. You would need to reduce your payroll to $139.7 million if you go 162 – 0, to match the Marlins’ efficiency rating. There’s something to be learned from all this…

However, courtesy of ‘TheBigStapler’, I posted a power-efficiency returns statistic, that shows how well a team can balance power and efficiency. This statistic was particularly lenient on the Yankees, but does not offer any solace for the Mets. This basically shows how well a team maximizes profit from their strength and efficiency – it is adjusted accordingly to fit a model more consistent with today’s standards of excessively-payed players and puts more emphasis simply on how good (or how powerful) a team is. Payroll still plays an integral part in this, though.

It should be noted that teams with the highest efficiency ratings also tend to have the best overall value, by players. Their prospects also tend to recently break out in a big way (i.e. Texas Rangers). Hanley Ramirez is getting paid $5.5 million this year and Jeter $21.6 million – Ramirez is clearly more productive right now (no disrespect to future HOFer Jeter), AND has even better value, obviously! That should seal my case for the formula.

But see, this is a CLEAR indication that the Mets need to invest HEAVILY in their farm system – David Wright and Jose Reyes are the only players from the Mets farm system that have paid considerable enough dividends (Murphy and Thole might join them soon). None of their currently good pitchers (except Pedro Feliciano) are from the farm system! (Pelfrey needs LOTS of work!) Screw putting excuses on injuries – the Mets need to inject their farm system in the a$$! If you look at all the other teams, it is generally evident that more of their good players are farm-raised. The Mets need to follow the example of Rangers’ GM Jon Daniels – dump waste of salary players (like Sheffield, $14 million) and invest that money on scouting and player development. Oliver Perez ($12 million/year for 3 years), based on this model, is the WORST SIGNING EVER (per dollar) by the Mets, in my opinion (even worse than what Carl Pavano was to the Yankees – Pavano had MUCH more to offer at the time of his signing!) – Perez is the poster boy for "toxic assets". Perez himself, when you think about it, is no more a criminal than banks nowadays.

MR. TOXIC ASSETS

Is he laughing or grieving? This is a classic Mona Lisa paradox.

I will post this under “fanposts” eventually. It is of high pertinence.

Legend has it, that when the full moon strikes the pitchers' mound at a Mets game, Mr. Met turns into Evil Mr. Met...

by sj10689 on Sep 21, 2009 11:13 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Why not just make this a FanPost

instead of just throwing it in as a comment on every thread? It’ll get more attention there. It’s pretty off-topic here.

by Eric Simon on Sep 21, 2009 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

I will do it.

Legend has it, that when the full moon strikes the pitchers' mound at a Mets game, Mr. Met turns into Evil Mr. Met...

by sj10689 on Sep 21, 2009 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

and i was begining to think you were a robot from the future

sent here to spread your message of high pertinence…before it is too late for the human race!

I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya

by itsmetsforme on Sep 22, 2009 3:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

LOL

“One small step for the Mets, one giant leap for Metkind!”

Assuming the Mets follow up on said news of high pertinence, the above statement will apply. I, of course, am speaking of the farm system.

Imagine what 2012 might look like if they draft Bryce Harper in next year’s draft!

Legend has it, that when the full moon strikes the pitchers' mound at a Mets game, Mr. Met turns into Evil Mr. Met...

by sj10689 on Sep 22, 2009 3:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

I DID IT! It's listed under "Payroll efficiency formula: Mets need to rebuild NOW; let me show you the situation."

http://www.amazinavenue.com/2009/9/22/1047796/payroll-efficiency-formula-further

I turned a stub into a masterpiece editorial – it’s a must-read for stat hounds and Mets well-wishers alike!

Legend has it, that when the full moon strikes the pitchers' mound at a Mets game, Mr. Met turns into Evil Mr. Met...

by sj10689 on Sep 22, 2009 3:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Without this post

 I’d never know the mets sucked monkey balls. Thanks!

by HotChipWillBreakYourLegs on Sep 22, 2009 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nick Evans has 2 plate appearances in the last week.

He’s 23 years old and under control for another five seasons. Kiss my ass, Jerry.

by All Shook Down on Sep 21, 2009 11:27 PM EDT reply actions  

Some good news for all you Mets fans

You guys did throw a no-hitter against us after the 3rd inning. Just sayin…

Frank Wren for GM of the Year.
"Wait, bait and bash." - Jason Heyward's personal philosophy.

by Scott Coleman on Sep 22, 2009 2:35 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Hey

The Mets have thrown many one-inning no-hitters, thankyouverymuch.

by Eric Simon on Sep 22, 2009 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

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