Why The 2009 Mets Failed: Part 2

by Eric Simon on Sep 23, 2009 10:00 AM EDT

In case you're wondering, Jeff Francoeur wasn't acquired until the beginning of July, by which point the Mets' walk rate had already been in a steep decline.

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Nothing important happend in May/June

You don't cheer for the Mets. You drink for the Mets.

by Kevin H on Sep 23, 2009 10:18 AM EDT reply actions

How much of this..

is based on the fact the Mets lineup was so terrible opposing teams had no reason not to challenge all of their hitters? You guys are smarter than me, so maybe someone can help me with this. I’m obviously annoyed by the team’s complete lack of plate discipline, but I have to assume no one’s pitching around Murphy, Pagan, Valdez/Cora the way they would Delgado/Beltran/Reyes.

Of course, when you show no interest in Dunn but love Francoeur, you’re sending a pretty clear signal to your players that walks don’t matter. And that you’re a moron.

by Bieser's Balk on Sep 23, 2009 1:09 PM EDT reply actions

They've had tons of base runners all year

they don’t have guys to drive them in. Nor do they have clutch hitters.

See Tatis, Fernando

by Rigsay on Sep 23, 2009 1:26 PM EDT reply actions

Tons is overstating it

7th in the NL in OBP due to a great average and a poor walk rate.

But walks weren’t the Mets worst department offensively. We all know it was power.

Essentially, the Mets were a singles-hitting team this year. No power and little patience. Of course with the injuries, it’s tough to tell what that says about next year.

by OlStubbleBeard on Sep 23, 2009 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions

7th in NL in ob is middle of the pack.

Clutch is a moronic statement. I thought Tatis was “clutch” last year? It is called sample size.

by MetsKnicksRutgers on Sep 23, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions

you could call it whatever you want

He’s like 1 for 35 with RISP and 2 outs.

I call that sucking

by Rigsay on Sep 23, 2009 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions

He just isn't

that good. Which is another problem with Omar. He catches lightning in a bottle with guys like Valentin and Tatis yet doesn’t recognize that these aren’t the types of players you pay more than 450-800k.

by MetsKnicksRutgers on Sep 23, 2009 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions

def correct. He overvalues the heck out of old complimentary players

by Rigsay on Sep 23, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions

We can all agree

Jerry and Omar are really really bad at their jobs.

by MetsKnicksRutgers on Sep 23, 2009 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions

Hmmm...walks and homeruns eh?

Now where could Omar have found that this past offseason?

by dtro on Sep 23, 2009 2:19 PM EDT reply actions

the 1986 World Series DVD?

by cjmulrain on Sep 23, 2009 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs

Dunn, Adam

"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"

by firejerrynow on Sep 23, 2009 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions

Cory Sullivan and Rob Mackowiak

by James Kannengieser on Sep 23, 2009 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions

Welcome to the Giants world. Walks and OBP is really everything.

I still believe in Ryan Garko...........

by 49er16 on Sep 23, 2009 5:10 PM EDT reply actions

it's not just walks

it’s that they’re not pitching, or fielding, or hitting for power, they don’t have strong management, etc

"Solo homers usually come with no one on base." -Ralph Kiner

by metsguy234 on Sep 23, 2009 6:52 PM EDT reply actions

none of that stuff matters

the reason they’re bad boils down to the fact that they give Jose Reyes a paycheck. When are you stat nerds gonna realize that Reyes is a loser and the second the Mets cut him loose, they’ll start to win again.

by cjmulrain on Sep 23, 2009 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions

i get this small feeling

that while you’re being sarcastic, you’re secretly beginning to believe these things, haha

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Sep 23, 2009 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions

haha no worries

I’m just getting more and more bitter as the season goes on, so my humor is getting darker. Although a very small part of me wants them to trade Reyes and then see him have an MVP season somewhere and the Mets shatter the ’62 record for most losses in a season, just to prove the morons in the MSM, Philadelphia, and most of NY wrong.

by cjmulrain on Sep 23, 2009 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions