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Open Thread: Mets vs Rockies

New York Mets at Colorado Rockies, Sep 3, 2009 3:10 PM EDT




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Pat Misch

#48 / Pitcher / New York Mets

6-2

195

R

L

Aug 18, 1981



W-L G GS CG SHO SV BS IP H R ER HR BB K ERA WHIP
2009 - Pat Misch 0-1 16 1 0 0 0 1 25.2 24 7 7 1 12 15 2.45 1.40


Jason Marquis

#21 / Pitcher / Colorado Rockies

6-1

210

L

R

Aug 21, 1978



W-L G GS CG SHO SV BS IP H R ER HR BB K ERA WHIP
2009 - Jason Marquis 14-9 29 26 2 1 0 0 177.1 172 77 71 12 55 86 3.60 1.28

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With his OBP

Thole should be hitting 2nd in this lineup, but whatever Jerry deems catchers must hit 7th regardless of ability.

by David G on Sep 3, 2009 2:37 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm calling a Wright homer today

He likes the low ball, Marquis will give him one.

by David G on Sep 3, 2009 3:01 PM EDT reply actions  

makes some interesting points

I mean, bearing in mind that this team stays healthy, and we’re still not the team we need to be. The past 2 seasons would show us that.

The owner, manager, and GM have put the team in a deep hole.

by dulciusEXasperis on Sep 3, 2009 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah I think Starks is pretty solid

especially when compared to some clowns out there. They underrate the lower levels of our system though.

by David G on Sep 3, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

The article could use more

I would have liked Stark to quote some of the executives / scouts that weren’t so negative on the Mets. (The “OK, so not all the folks we spoke with were quite that bleak.” part.)

Presumably some of the people he talked to also offered their solutions, instead of just listing problems. Would have enjoyed reading actual plans.

by mnbv on Sep 3, 2009 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

No mention of Thole, Ike Davis or

Holt or Meijia either. I think with a few moves they could have a decent lineup, but the starting pitching is the biggest problem, no doubt.

by David G on Sep 3, 2009 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yikes, passed ball already??

by TheBigStapler on Sep 3, 2009 3:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Was it a really bad passed ball?

or was it close to a wild pitch?

He’ll be moved to LF by tomorrow probably, lol.

by David G on Sep 3, 2009 3:26 PM EDT reply actions  

By Howie's account

definitely a passed ball. he stabbed at the pitch and it got away from him.

by TheBigStapler on Sep 3, 2009 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

wait, this is an afternoon game?

what an ass Jerry is to give Thole his debut in a game that a lot of people can’t watch.

by JoshNY on Sep 3, 2009 3:26 PM EDT reply actions  

THOLE!!!!

"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"

by firejerrynow on Sep 3, 2009 3:26 PM EDT reply actions  

wooooooooooo

"I used to be legit. I was too legit. I was too legit to quit. but now I'm not legit. I'm unlegit. And for that reason, I must quit."

by jaronson5 on Sep 3, 2009 3:38 PM EDT reply actions  

SWEET!

Completely forgot, the first game I had interest in watching in months was a day game, and what do I flip on, THOLE FTW!

"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet

What a fool I was to defy him"

-HST

by Mark Himmelstein on Sep 3, 2009 3:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Pish Posh

Schneider would have hit 2 homers in one pitch

Nothing can get by him; especially in a small room: Mike Francessa

by GenJackRipper on Sep 3, 2009 3:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Ha, it's so great

we’ve been playing Scheid for the last 2 months when Thole could have been here.

by David G on Sep 3, 2009 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wonder what Thole warm-up music will be

"I used to be legit. I was too legit. I was too legit to quit. but now I'm not legit. I'm unlegit. And for that reason, I must quit."

by jaronson5 on Sep 3, 2009 3:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Animal by Miike Snow

banger.

"I used to be legit. I was too legit. I was too legit to quit. but now I'm not legit. I'm unlegit. And for that reason, I must quit."

by jaronson5 on Sep 3, 2009 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

SB? Neat

I wish this wasn’t a day game . . .

by theflicker on Sep 3, 2009 3:40 PM EDT reply actions  

Calling it

Misch Monster Mash

It was a graveyard bash, fyi.

by theflicker on Sep 3, 2009 3:41 PM EDT reply actions  

So

when someone says the strikeouts are bad, tell them DP are worse

by aparkermarshall on Sep 3, 2009 3:42 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah

especially when the bases are loaded

Gangsta

by Jadden Hopkins on Sep 3, 2009 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe the sb by thole wasn't great in retrospect

since they pitched around Valdez. but then again, it’s Valdez.

by David G on Sep 3, 2009 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey Oil Spill=Grission

"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"

by firejerrynow on Sep 3, 2009 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thole batting 1.000

"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"

by firejerrynow on Sep 3, 2009 3:43 PM EDT reply actions  

What's his WAR?

Factoring that stolen base, it has to be about 9.5 right now.

by David G on Sep 3, 2009 3:45 PM EDT reply actions  

well what's his wOBA?

.92 for the single,+ something for the steal/1

"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"

by firejerrynow on Sep 3, 2009 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

WAR is cumulative though, isn't it?

You’d have to extrapolate that performance over a significant number of PAs to yield a significant WAR.

by JoshNY on Sep 3, 2009 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

WAR doesn't work like that

HIt’s hard to be worth 9 wins in one game.

by Mount17 on Sep 3, 2009 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Seth Smith

Anyone else think he’s a future all star? It’s not just that he’s hitting about .650 vs. us, he always seems to hit it hard.

by David G on Sep 3, 2009 3:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Josh Thole has a hit AND an SB?!

Not a bad first time in the line-up.

"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Sep 3, 2009 3:52 PM EDT reply actions  

Thole=Great game caller

"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"

by firejerrynow on Sep 3, 2009 3:53 PM EDT reply actions  

Misch might qualify as the ace right now

1) Misch
2) Figgy
3) Redding
4) Pelf
5) Parnell

Good lord that’s not easy on the eyes. Look away!

by David G on Sep 3, 2009 3:53 PM EDT reply actions  

since johan got injured

here are there FIP’s

"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"

by firejerrynow on Sep 3, 2009 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

sorry

http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0Ai3uMVs15MODdGE3blJrRmg1bFZSZTZwY3NxQUQ2Znc&hl=en

"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"

by firejerrynow on Sep 3, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

who's going to be our starting catcher next year?

ideas, suggestions, feelings?

"I used to be legit. I was too legit. I was too legit to quit. but now I'm not legit. I'm unlegit. And for that reason, I must quit."

by jaronson5 on Sep 3, 2009 3:55 PM EDT reply actions  

THOLE

"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"

by firejerrynow on Sep 3, 2009 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

His OPS is 2.000! How can you go wrong?!

You don't cheer for the Mets. You drink for the Mets.

by Kevin H on Sep 3, 2009 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

fuck that

"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"

by firejerrynow on Sep 3, 2009 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

The scoreboard

on my mlb.tv seems to think there’s a WBC game between the USA and Canada tonight.

by Mount17 on Sep 3, 2009 3:56 PM EDT reply actions  

How about a fucking hit an run?

Oh yeah, the triple play, forgot, because that will happen again.

by David G on Sep 3, 2009 3:58 PM EDT reply actions  

Or a base hit

and the runner still gets forced at second

You don't cheer for the Mets. You drink for the Mets.

by Kevin H on Sep 3, 2009 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought the same thing

I think he switched identities and he’s really some other old lefty like Mike Stanton or Dennis Cook with cosmetic surgery.

by David G on Sep 3, 2009 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Misch=5 starter next year?

"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"

by firejerrynow on Sep 3, 2009 4:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Maybe

but that is not really saying much. I mean they still think that there is room for Redding on this team next year.

by aparkermarshall on Sep 3, 2009 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

No.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Sep 3, 2009 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

not to mention slugging!

"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"

by firejerrynow on Sep 3, 2009 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Crap

Avg=.500
OBP=.500
SLG=.500
OPS=1.000
wOBA= I have .92/2 does anyone know the value of a steal?

"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"

by firejerrynow on Sep 3, 2009 4:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Thought

they called that a wild pitch.

by MetsFan4Decades on Sep 3, 2009 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Did they

It looked like it bounced off of him and was playable

by aparkermarshall on Sep 3, 2009 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

KKKK

"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"

by firejerrynow on Sep 3, 2009 4:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Hey, under Thole

Misch has thrown 4 shut out

"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"

by firejerrynow on Sep 3, 2009 4:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Gary says:

‘Wilson can still get down the line at 31’.

Oh God, so 31 is old now?
Ball players are only going to be considered in their prime from like 27-30 at the rate their going….

by MetsFan4Decades on Sep 3, 2009 4:23 PM EDT reply actions  

For middle infielders, that's accurate.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Sep 3, 2009 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wowsers, 4 runs in an inning

"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"

by firejerrynow on Sep 3, 2009 4:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Thole up first next inning

"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"

by firejerrynow on Sep 3, 2009 4:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Nice

Walk the lead off guy after we score 4 runs

Gangsta

by Jadden Hopkins on Sep 3, 2009 4:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Wow

I walk away from my desk and we put up a 4 spot

You don't cheer for the Mets. You drink for the Mets.

by Kevin H on Sep 3, 2009 4:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Wait

Is Eric Young Junior really Eric Young, Jr. as in the Junior of Eric Young the baseball player and odd-voiced TV personality?

by HotChipWillBreakYourLegs on Sep 3, 2009 4:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Oy Vei Gary

yes Stats dont win games. Ballplayers do. But stats will tell you what ballplayers to get in order to win more games

by aparkermarshall on Sep 3, 2009 4:48 PM EDT reply actions  

Why can we only do this

in the final game of any series? Lately, we lose all but the last one…

by MetsFan4Decades on Sep 3, 2009 4:54 PM EDT reply actions  

wow

im telling ya, keep that torn ligament torn, he can obviously still hit the long ball, and it keeps him from swinging as much

by KeithsMoustache on Sep 3, 2009 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

My gamecast is broken

You don't cheer for the Mets. You drink for the Mets.

by Kevin H on Sep 3, 2009 5:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Pelfrey

should take a page out of Misch’s book. Calm, cool, collected even after giving up that bomb…..

by MetsFan4Decades on Sep 3, 2009 5:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Knew I should've played Stewart in

my fantasy playoffs. Did not think he’d start vs. a lefty.

by David G on Sep 3, 2009 5:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Got to believe

it will be Feliciano in 8th to go after Gonzalez and Helton. Stokes needs another day off maybe. Please no Sean Green…

by David G on Sep 3, 2009 5:15 PM EDT reply actions  

BB-Rod

"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"

by firejerrynow on Sep 3, 2009 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Their last 5 road series

they won the last game of the series (SD, AZ, FL, CHI, and now, hopefully, CO) to avoid the sweep. Weird.

by David G on Sep 3, 2009 5:31 PM EDT reply actions  

.333 WP baby!

"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"

by firejerrynow on Sep 3, 2009 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great

That pitch was a meatball.

2009 Mets---Mission: Bryce Harper!

by Prince on Sep 3, 2009 5:33 PM EDT reply actions  

S.D. was 4 games

so almost .333! We Can Build on This!

by David G on Sep 3, 2009 5:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Bahaha

Oh Herm, that never gets old.

by shwebsi on Sep 3, 2009 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ugh

we are going to blow this game

Gangsta

by Jadden Hopkins on Sep 3, 2009 5:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Dub?

I heard he was out of the lineup last night. Does anyone know why?

2009 Mets---Mission: Bryce Harper!

by Prince on Sep 3, 2009 5:43 PM EDT reply actions  

Er, Dub!

2009 Mets---Mission: Bryce Harper!

by Prince on Sep 3, 2009 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

It was planned that way.

Back one game, yesterday off, in the lineup today.

by MetsFan4Decades on Sep 3, 2009 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, OK

Makes sense. Thanks.

2009 Mets---Mission: Bryce Harper!

by Prince on Sep 3, 2009 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Beimel looks like a stoned pizza delivery guy in his file photo (and possibly in life)

by HotChipWillBreakYourLegs on Sep 3, 2009 5:46 PM EDT reply actions  

Good god that is a frightening photo

It looks like he’s been up for 96 hours on crystal meth.

by David G on Sep 3, 2009 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Joe Beimel

is probably on the Faces of Meth billboards in Denver.

by Mr. Bananagrabber on Sep 3, 2009 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wrench!!!

2009 Mets---Mission: Bryce Harper!

by Prince on Sep 3, 2009 5:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Hammer Count:8

"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"

by firejerrynow on Sep 3, 2009 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tho!e

will bat again unless he’s hit for, which under normal circumstances would be absurd.

But then again…

by HotChipWillBreakYourLegs on Sep 3, 2009 5:49 PM EDT reply actions  

I'd say 3/1

"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"

by firejerrynow on Sep 3, 2009 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yay Murph

Always glad to see him get a hit lol

Future 1B!!! ;)

by dulciusEXasperis on Sep 3, 2009 5:53 PM EDT reply actions  

Frenchy take notes

"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"

by firejerrynow on Sep 3, 2009 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

What do you guys think of Tholes at bats

I’m at work but I saw one at bat, the lazy flyball one. It looks like he has great bat control but little hip rotation in his swing. What are your impressions?

by Delgado on Sep 3, 2009 5:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Thole!

2009 Mets---Mission: Bryce Harper!

by Prince on Sep 3, 2009 5:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Thole's

debut certainly trumps FMart’s.

by MetsFan4Decades on Sep 3, 2009 5:56 PM EDT reply actions  

ha ha, that’s for sure

by TheBigStapler on Sep 3, 2009 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great AB, and gets the double

"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"

by firejerrynow on Sep 3, 2009 5:56 PM EDT reply actions  

I wish I could have watched

I’m on radio. Howie and Wayne are doing absolutely no scouting. That’s one thing I love about Keith and Ron. They’re always full of that kind of stuff.

by TheBigStapler on Sep 3, 2009 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

.400/.400/.600/1.000

"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"

by firejerrynow on Sep 3, 2009 5:56 PM EDT reply actions  

DFA Schneider tomorrow

this kid’s gotta play. Let Santos teach him some grission and the power of lightning and he’s on his way, ha-ha

by David G on Sep 3, 2009 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Schneider is a bad influence

.188/.267/.3something is a bad way to teach Tho!e how to play

"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"

by firejerrynow on Sep 3, 2009 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

and we could save a couple hundred thousand dollars too

by Delgado on Sep 3, 2009 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

2010 opening day lineup?

At worst they could have:

Reyes
Pagan or FA
Beltran
Wright
Murphy or other FA 1b
French (probably stuck with him)
Thole
Castillo

That’s not too awful, that could be a wild card with some pitching. Right? Maybe?

by David G on Sep 3, 2009 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's not that bad

I can live with that depending on who the FA’s are

Gangsta

by Jadden Hopkins on Sep 3, 2009 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would switch around the order a bit but, essentially, that’s not a bad lineup. I think one big hitter could make a big difference.

by TheBigStapler on Sep 3, 2009 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

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