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Francisco Rodriguez entered tonight's game with a 3.09 ERA and a 3.76 FIP (what's this?). He left the game with a 3.72 ERA. In a season in which injuries revealed the underlying depth issues that have made Omar Minaya's Mets so disappointing, a typically high-wired inning gone awry revealed the unexceptional Francisco Rodriguez, who will, in all likelihood, collect 43 million dollars over the next three years. Remember those articles about how Rodriguez's velocity somehow went down intentionally last season and how he couldn't wait to crank it up again? It never went back up. The Mets will be paying a good, not great, reliever star position-player money for the next three seasons. And that was Minaya's good move of the offseason. That was also the good news from tonight.

As I am sure you have all heard by now, Jose Reyes tore his already injured hamstring trying to run, making surgery all but certain. What gets lost in the talk about pitch counts, inning caps, Verducci effect, and "bad mechanics," is the single biggest deterrent to pitcher injuries, the pitcher's judgment. Similarly, while it's reckless to blame the training staff, the doctors, or whoever else in what can probably be labeled as a massive mishandling, one thing seems obvious: no one knows Jose Reyes' body and its limitations better than Jose Reyes. That's why reports of Reyes pushing himself to dispel the doubts of teammates and media members calling him lazy are angering, and it's probably why it has reached this point. While I don't know whether the team ignored Reyes or pushed him too hard in his rehab,  it certainly seems that way, and fan perception is probably more important than reality to the organization at this point.  This post is not crescendoing into some thundering condemnation of team management, because by now it's pretty apparent that any delay in their firings is just penny-pinching. I just want to reflect on what a season this has been, in which the Mets can be swept by the Nationals in the most embarrassing fashion possible, then hold a post-game press conference to announce the career-threatening mismanagement of their star player's leg injuries.

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The idiot Met fans and media members out there

are like that asshole in high school who calls skinny girls fat, eventually driving them to an eating disorder.

Hey Jose, you dance too much, you’re lazy, you’re soft, you’re Dominican, your teammates don’t like you, you caused the collapses… oh what’s that? You’re injured now? You’re still lazy, you don’t care about baseball, it’s all in your head. (it eventually leads to a tearful meltdown and anorexia a torn hamstring)

by James Kannengieser on Sep 30, 2009 9:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Just when you think it can't get any worse...

I am now fully convinced the Mets are going to completely waste the primes of premium players like Wright, Reyes, Beltran and Santana. I’ve never been this upset about this team. Not when they stunk in early 90s or the Art Howe days. Not after 06 or even 07, because I felt success was right around the corner.

But I’m finally coming to grips with the future of this team. I foolishly hoped they’d find a way to win in spite of Omar, Jerry and the rest of those clowns.

By the way, can you imagine the reaction if Francoeur or Murphy hurt themselves the way Reyes did this week? Would the parade down the Canyon of Heroes be Thursday or Friday?

by Bieser's Balk on Sep 30, 2009 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

good simile

this is infuriating, there was no need for him to be back this year whatsoever. Add one more question mark to the list for next year. Now on top of 1b and OF plus a few starting pitchers, we now need to worry about what we will get out of our shortstop position as well. I hope he comes back 100% and healthy and cheerful as ever, but I’m worried about the number of issues he seems to be having with connective tissue in general. I hope this isn’t a recurring trend, especially for a guy who depends on explosive speed like reyes does.

BB-rods performance this season doesnt surprise me one bit however. He’s always been prone to giving up bunches of baserunners, and it was obvious if he lost even a little bit on his pitches it would destroy his ability to get out of the jams he created. Tonight was a prime example of what I actually expected to happen even more often than it has this year.

by KeithsMoustache on Oct 1, 2009 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

*sigh*

I can’t even find it in me me to muster outrage at this point. there needs to be some serious housecleaning this season. And shame on all the “fans” who brought this about.

"I reject your reality and substitute my own"
-Adam Savage

by blueandorange4life on Sep 30, 2009 10:03 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I wish I could rec this more than once.

Mets Five-O, Joe Benigno and the sports radio boors and snarky broadcasters around the league can eat a male organ with an incurable disease on the end of it. What Reyes was suffering was real, but people couldn’t accept that because he’s an exuberant Afro-Caribbean fellow with long hair and a penchant for dancing. He threatens the natural order of things for these people, as James highlighted last week.

Some asshole once said, “…i don’t trust the mets…”. Boy, was he right.

by All Shook Down on Sep 30, 2009 10:05 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

KRod

Good points on KRod. This was another one of those classic signings where we thought it would be decent the first year, but the first year is now over and what are we left with.

As for blaming the fans for Reyes’ leg injury…that’s a new one. Come to think of it, the weather sucked today. I blame the media.

by Mex_17 on Sep 30, 2009 10:09 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Dude, you're an idiot.

No one blamed the fans for the injury. The constant pushing for Reyes to come back? That’s ALL organization/media/fans.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Sep 30, 2009 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You have the worst reading comprehension in history.

King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president

by Sam Page on Oct 1, 2009 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow

Diaz just got picked off third with the bases loaded in the bottom of the 9th to pretty much end the Braves season. Frankies meatball doesn’t look so bad now.

"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green

by Schmidtxc on Sep 30, 2009 10:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Except

the Mets’ season unofficially ended months before the Braves’ did.

by Eric Simon on Sep 30, 2009 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

They both missed the post-season, and in the end thats all that should really matter.

I don’t ever recall be laughed at by a rockies fan after the last two seasons…plenty of braves fans though. Maybe it’s wrong, but I got a warm fuzzy feeling inside when that happened.

"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green

by Schmidtxc on Sep 30, 2009 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

new and more entertaiing ways to loose

nice job, frankie, just get it fixd by next year

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by samdaman on Sep 30, 2009 10:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Emotions are high...

but hamstrings are just tricky. Clearly, more rest is better but Reyes has been out since May. Had he waited until November to run on it he might still have torn it.

"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin

by dcrockett17 on Sep 30, 2009 10:23 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Fire the idiots who were pushing Reyes too hard too soon

Bunch of @ssbandits in the front office

Gary Thorne=Simply the Best!

by The American Mr.Hockey on Sep 30, 2009 10:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I bet

you won’t see any quotes from the organization like the one Coughlin had about Kenny Phillips, about how the most important thing is how he’s handling it mentally.

by Mount17 on Sep 30, 2009 11:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

oh

and the Phillies clinched the division. I really, really hate baseball. I hate it a million times more than when the Braves were dominating us in the early-to-mid 90’s or when we slipped back into mediocrity and beyond from ‘01-’03. I hate it more than I hate basketball or hockey, even though I root for losers in those sports too. This season has made me hate my favorite sport – and for that, I blame Jose Reyes the Mets front office, its stupid fans, the media, and the entire city of Philadelphia.

"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09

by cjmulrain on Sep 30, 2009 11:08 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Try living in Philly

The past few years haven’t exactly been what I would call enjoyable during the baseball season.

by Balagast on Sep 30, 2009 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I might as well

Amongst my friends, Phillies fans outnumber Mets fans by at least 6 to 1. I went to college in Philly sports territory, so most of the people I met were Phillies fans. The rest were Yankees fans.

"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09

by cjmulrain on Sep 30, 2009 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Irony, thy name is...

thanks to loud mouths on talk radio, i think some fans believe reyes is lazy, or doesn’t want to return from the disabled list…

—Courtesy of Matt Cerrone

by Bieser's Balk on Sep 30, 2009 11:11 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Cerrone

I know he’s not popular here b/c he doesn’t really go for the statistical approach and tends to like guys like Francouer, but he’s never to my knowledge questioned Reyes or Wright or even Beltran. I think for a guy who doesn’t rely on stats, he’s got pretty decent instincts and tends to actually give guys the benefit of the doubt, rather than hating them for smiling.

"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09

by cjmulrain on Sep 30, 2009 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

prepare to get chewed out by James

King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president

by Sam Page on Sep 30, 2009 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Haha

No chewing out. I’ll just provide a link to something Bieser’s noted below. I link, you decide.

by James Kannengieser on Sep 30, 2009 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Which is worse

“baseball people” or “the buzz from _______ suggests”? Neither should really be used.

by Mount17 on Sep 30, 2009 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nothing against Cerrone

But for a few weeks, he was posting all these ridiculous things about “the buzz” at Citi Field and how people thought he was dogging it. Never bothered to point out how absurd that was.

And then there was the “Will Reyes ever reach his potential?” post, as if what he’s done the last 5 years isn’t enough and if he ever tried harder he’d be Albert Pujols.

From that post:
he’s been out most all of this season with a mysterious hamstring injury, and i can’t help and wonder if he is what he is… is this as good as he’ll be… is he ‘that player,’ you know, the guy who shows signs of greatness, who i believe is a super star, but who then drifts in to struggle, then back to greatness, then back to struggle, all interspersed with the occasional injury, talk of immaturity … he’s been out most all of this season with a mysterious hamstring injury, and i can’t help and wonder if he is what he is… is this as good as he’ll be… is he ‘that player,’ you know, the guy who shows signs of greatness, who i believe is a super star, but who then drifts in to struggle, then back to greatness, then back to struggle, all interspersed with the occasional injury, talk of immaturity

by Bieser's Balk on Sep 30, 2009 11:20 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I stand corrected

I haven’t read Metsblog much this year, so I must have missed that. Still, not as bad as how most of the media reacts. And I’ll admit it – as good as he’s been, I’ve still expected him to get better. It almost looks too easy for him (which probably goes a ways toward explaining why people think he’s lazy), and the fact that he’s still so young – I just assumed he would have even better seasons than the ones he’s already had.

"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09

by cjmulrain on Sep 30, 2009 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm probably over-reacting

But it’s been a brutal year and it drives me crazy when people who are supposed to be Mets fans constantly pick at someone who’s one of the best things to happen to this team in the 20 years I’ve been following them. And at the same time lobbied for resigning Cora and extending Francoeur.

There are a lot worse offenders than Cerrone, but I don’t expect much from the mainstream media.

by Bieser's Balk on Sep 30, 2009 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh absolutely.

Cerronepede is clearly a bad writer, with grit issues. But at least he’s no Mike Silva, and for that I’m thankful.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Oct 1, 2009 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

mike silva

doesn’t use enough ellipses. that’s what makes him subpar to cerrone.

"I used to be legit. I was too legit. I was too legit to quit. but now I'm not legit. I'm unlegit. And for that reason, I must quit."

by jaronson5 on Oct 1, 2009 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

what a horror show

any reason why Reyes still isn’t scheduled to go under the knife?? What the hell are they waiting for?

by Endys Game on Sep 30, 2009 11:30 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

He's probably scheduled

no announcement as of yet, though

King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president

by Sam Page on Sep 30, 2009 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What's the success rate on hamstring surgery?

Do guys come back from a torn muscle and tendon with the same kind of quick first step?

It’s okay to lie to me, because I suspect it’s over and that’s really sad. (it = the Jose Reyes Phenomenon)

"If on-base percentage is so important, then why don't they put it on the scoreboard?"

by hotspur on Oct 1, 2009 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think they're waiting for him to blow out his knee

"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09

by cjmulrain on Oct 1, 2009 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I left the game

with two runners on in the ninth. I just knew it would end in tears. And by tears, I mean rhyming with fears, not with heirs, so Frankies and not Joses.

by deadspy3 on Oct 1, 2009 12:02 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i think they should make reyes run one more time before surgery

just to make sure he really wants it. get francoeur and cora to grit him on from the sidelines.

by englishgrey on Oct 1, 2009 12:41 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

with this kind of surgury

will he be ready to go by spring training? Or is that too short a timeframe?

by gbaked on Oct 1, 2009 8:22 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Well, if Niese had the same surgery a month ago and is expected to be ready by spring training, we can guess that Reyes may at least be ready for the actual start of the season.

by TheBigStapler on Oct 1, 2009 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Omar can now change his post-season shopping list

1) #2 pitcher

2) leadoff guy to play LF……..( Carl Carwford anyone ).

3) whatever you can get with the money left.

I think (hope) Reyes will be fine once he has the surgery, but I don’t think he will be the same player on the bases. I think he’ll wind up being just above average speed as opposed to what he has been. Part of that will be him being careful, and part will be the result of the surgery itself. I also think his D will still be good. Let’s all cross our fingers and hope for the best.

by fxcarden on Oct 1, 2009 9:47 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Sounds like crawford wants to re-up with tampa.

I think the focus for the Mets in Left has to be adding the best bat they can get, regardless of his spot in the lineup. Castillo should be an adequate leadoff guy if we add a holliday type. I’d like to see the Mets go for Nick Johnson at first, Hermida in left, and spend the majority of their money on pitching. Personally I’d like to see the Mets make a run at Hudson and Piniero.

"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green

by Schmidtxc on Oct 1, 2009 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The legs feed the wolf

This hamstring injury has to have an impact on how he runs from now on. I strained my hammy a few years back, and it still bothers me on occasion(also running the bases). It hasn’t slowed me down any, but it is tighter in the area where the strained occurred. I can’t even imagine how much harder it is for a torn hammy.

I find it odd that Jose was saying that some thing felt odd about the leg. He tore his hamstring, I would say that it would be more than odd, it would feeling fing painful.

Jose is rich so hopefully he can use that money to get the best treatment and training. I would imagine he will be doing an insane amount of stretching for the rest of his career.

by Coolpapabell on Oct 1, 2009 10:08 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Agree with just about everything said here

It’s a testament to how horrible this season has been and how pessimistic I am about the organization’s future that, for the first time in my 25+ years of sports fandom, I am much more excited about football than baseball. The Giants are like the complete opposite of the Mets right now – an efficiently run organization with competent people in charge. Hell, even the Jets seem to be run more effectively.

The sad thing is that I still care. Last night I find myself in the car, running errands, and listening to damned game, tuning into WFAN because I can hear it at night and I wanna hear Howie. And I’m getting into the game, and getting mad at myself for getting tense even though the game is meaningless and I know Frankie is gonna blow it.

I hate this team even more because I can’t stop caring about them.

by dcmetsfan on Oct 1, 2009 10:33 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

that first paragraph is exactly how I feel

"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09

by cjmulrain on Oct 1, 2009 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

scratch that

that whole post is exactly how I feel. I watched the 9th inning of the game 2 nights ago, and got so pissed when Dukes caught Wright’s ball at the track – it ruined my night. That shouldn’t happen, not for a team that’s gonna lose 95 games

"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09

by cjmulrain on Oct 1, 2009 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

brilliant post

I think you captured the feelings of almost everybody here. I too am amazed at how much news like this affects me even though it is now crystal clear that this orgnization has no clue. I now for the first time have to at least contemplate the possibility that Reyes, at least the Reyes we know and love, may be fatally compromised. and the orgnization may very well be to blame.

 At the very least, Wilpon, Omar etc have to do a full press conference and take any and all questions on this. Or maybe hire an outside person to investigate and report to the fans/media. It may be that the Mets are blameless here but the benefit of the doubt is long gone.

by Endys Game on Oct 1, 2009 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with the first paragraph

But I tuned the Mets out back in the summer. The weather was nice, and I was enjoying things. Why spoil a good thing? Of course I still care, otherwise I wouldn’t be at this blog all the time, but I just stopped following the games regularly.

But I’m still first and foremost a baseball fan, which is why it’s weird to be caring so much more about the Giants. The Giants are and probably always will be the second team, but they’re exciting and fun to watch.

It’s also been the case over the last 20+ years that the Mets and Giants have generally been good at the same time, and sucked at the same time, so it’s unusual to have the Giants look so good when the Mets look so bad.

Somehow, a chain of events unfolded that put Steve Phillips in a professional broadcast booth Sunday night so he could rip Carlos Beltran. Try to explain that in any other terms.

by Greenpoint Ian on Oct 1, 2009 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i wish i knew how to quit you

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Oct 1, 2009 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was having a casual drink with a friend last night

who also is a mets fan. Then we saw the news about Reyes and we then finished a bottle of Bushnills, and ended the night drinking a bottle of vodka in hot chocolate. I forgot about the horrible news until I came to the web site and remembered what happened. The only thing that I’ll say is hopefully Reyes gets better. I’ll be hoping he can play baseball the way he did before in the future. I miss seeing him run out triples. Also I think he has the best arm of any shortstop in the game. I even miss seeing him not hustle to first on a pop ups. GET WELL REYES

by Delgado on Oct 1, 2009 12:04 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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