Let's Get Defensive: The "Plan" For 2010
With the announcement that no major changes would be made to Citi Field's dimensions in 2010, Jerry Manuel decried the Mets were going to make a team built around "pitching, speed, defense." Omar Minaya has been beating that drum (while not necessarily building that team) for years. Metsblog called for a more specific version of this basic outline (emphasis of everything except Whitey Herzog his):
…instead, the Mets should be more specific… i’d like to see them put together a two– or three-year plan to develop, sign and trade for the best infield defense on the planet, have pitchers who get ground-balls on command, and an offense modeled after Whitey Herzog’s Cardinals…
Addressing the content of the quote, focusing on groundball pitchers is the opposite of building a team to suit Citi Field. Yes, groundballs are generally better than flyballs because they become outs more often, and are less likely to become extra-base hits, but focusing resources to convert your pitching staff to groundball pitchers is more appropriate for a team like the Rockies, not the Mets. Besides, the Mets are already heavily invested in flyball pitchers Johan Santana and Oliver Perez and infield butcher Luis Castillo. To build a team defensively suited for Citi Field, outfield defense should come first.
First, however, realize that "speed" offenses are a stupid concept. Speed can be important. Over the course of a season, however, the best baserunners in baseball, i.e. Ichiro, Carl Crawford, Reyes, contribute at most +10 runs a season. That's roughly the difference between a .350 and .335 wOBA starter, a few extra homeruns, a better walk rate, just one win. Stop talking about the Rays and other teams of the like as "speed" offenses. The Rays are a good because of the AL homerun leader Carlos Pena and sluggers Ben Zobrist and Evan Longoria. Take away those three and see how they fare with Carl Crawford and BJ Upton stealing home every game.
Secondly, the Mets defense this year has been terrible, the worst in the league according to Ultimate Zone Rating. Before the season, I jokingly made the Mets continental map of Citi Field based on their fielding prowess:
Now, faced with continental drift and global warming, the map looks more like this:
The Mets' bullpen is 10 runs below average. The Mets' offense is 17 runs below average. The rotation is 41 runs below average. The Mets' defense is 49 runs below average, worst in baseball. There has been some discussion that the lack of Citi Field park-factors has skewed that data against our outfielders, and I believe that to an extent. Does that close the 23 run gap between the Mets and the next-worst team in the NL, the Nationals? No.
Must be the injuries, right? Don't assume. This season the primary culprits of poor defensive play have been: Gary Sheffield (-10 in LF), Luis Castillo (-9 at 2B), David Wright (-8 at 3B), and Jeff Francoeur (-7 in RF). Carlos Beltran and Jose Reyes also registered negative values, despite being historically good fielders.
I think part of the problem will resolve itself. David Wright has obviously been affected by the nagging leg injuries Jerry Manuel mentioned. Jeff Francoeur is probably suffering from a small sample-size fluke. Still, Carlos Beltran, Luis Castillo, Jose Reyes, and David Wright will all cary the baggage of leg injuries into 2010. In order to reduce this strain, improve the defense, and protect the Mets best investments for 2011 and beyond, I suggest a defensive shift. The Mets could easily move Beltran to left, where he would be a plus-plus-defender, bone bruise or not. In center, Reyes could take over, opening the door for a defensive specialist short-stop, or another centerfielder. Think of how Reyes' speed would translate to CF. A UZR greater than 10? I would bet on it. His bat certainly plays there. Alternatively, the Mets could pursue a Mike Cameron-type player. While Cameron, Nyjer Morgan, Marco Scutaro, or Mark Ellis aren't as attractive as names like Carl Crawford, Prince Fielder, or Matt Holliday, they could be just as valuable after a realignment of the defense, at significantly less cost.
On the pitching side, I think Mets fans (and media) have a hard time separating pitching from defense. Better fielding makes pitching look much better, which is why pitching is usually grossly overrated. Many think the Mets need a "#2 starter," and while I wouldn't mind another above-average pitcher to complement Johan, "#2" is a label, not an explicit need. With better team-defense, I bet Mike Pelfrey would fit many people's description of a #2. Take the Mariners and Rangers, for example. Both drastically improved their defense, the Rangers through a realingment of a star veteran (Michael Young) and by bringing in several good-defensive outfielders to rotate (Jones, Byrd, Cruz), something the Mets lack with defensive zeros Reed and Sullivan. Kevin Millwood has never looked so #2-ish. The Mariners brought in death-to-flying-things Franklin Gutierrez, allowing Ichiro to shift to right. They also brought in several defensive-specialists including Endy Chavez, Ryan Langerhans, Jack Hannahan, and Bill Hall, at minimal cost. The result? They traded Jarrod Washburn and his shiny new ERA, for a younger, better version of Jarrod Washburn. Now the Mariners field a rotation of averagish to below-average starters, on the cheap, masked by a great outfield defense.
Unfortunately, I'm not sure the Mets know the difference between pitching and fielding either, as the now-horrifying Putz trade facilitated the Mariners improvement, while costing the Mets their last defensively-useful backup. Realigning the defense, however, while adding fielding specialists on the bench is a creative and cheap way to build a good team that suits Citi Field.
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While we're at it
we should move Castillo to catcher because, um, his knees won’t be a problem there. Also move Wright to RF because he’s fast, and Francouer to 3B because he has a good arm.
You don't cheer for the Mets. You drink for the Mets.
These maps are outstanding!
Just know, if there's ever a riot at Citi Field and Oliver Perez was the starter, I started the riot.
I'm with this guy
And I miss the reign of the Beltranian Empire.
Notes
1) “groundballs are generally better than flyballs because they become outs more often”
79% of flyballs are fielded for outs, 72% of groundballs are fielded for outs, but only 26% of line drives are fielded for outsLink Link
2)“Over the course of a season, however, the best baserunners in baseball, i.e. Ichiro, Carl Crawford, Reyes, contribute at most +10 runs a season. That’s roughly the difference between a .350 and .335 wOBA starter”
How was that +10 runs calculated? This speed concept seems broad, not just stolen bases or beating infield hits.
Not advocating a “full speed, no slugging offense”, but given City Field dimensions, one player can turn a double into a triple, a single into a double, advance on a flyball. In the end, the difference for “speed” even for City Field might not be that considerable, but it is still making out the most of the park dimensions.
3) “The Mets’ defense is 49 runs below average, worst in baseball.”
According to that paper from Ben Baumer, the performance of teammates can affect another player rating. A dropped flyball by the LF drags the CF’s UZR down. Murphy/Shef playing LF won’t help. Or Reed/Sully.
4) Oil Spill covers a larger territory. It can’t be contained.
10 runs
is the highest you’ll see Baseball Prospectus’ baserunning runs be in one season, which is a flawed stat, but tries to factor in every aspect of baserunning.
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Yeah, it's pretty much universally agreed upon that baserunning, stealing, etc. can only contribute that much.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
Assuming they don't move Reyes to center,
which, good move or not, I’m sure they’re not creative enough to do:
i’d like to see them put together a two– or three-year plan to develop, sign and trade for the best infield defense on the planet
3B/SS – taken
2B – Next year Castillo, b/c of the contract, and hopefully Havens at some point after that
1B – I don’t think D should be a priority there; either get a stopgap until Davis (or a Davis platoon) is ready, or get a power bat that’s not a terrible glove.
Outfield defense, though, they really can go out an improve. Hopefully they can find the next Gutierrez.
Serious Questions
Other than speed, what makes you think Reyes would be an adequate/good CF? Much of playing a good CF relies on good reads on fly balls and good angles. That is a very different skill set than playing SS. He is also coming off leg injuries. Do you really want to chance that he will be healthy enough to play CF and that the strain of playing CF won’t reduce his effectiveness on offense?
It’s an interesting suggestion, but I think it needs a little more justification other than just he’s fast so he will be good.
Speed would compensate for reads
at least at first. Generally CF is for fast MI with bad hands i.e. BJ Upton and the like. BJ is a -10 2B, the next year he’s instantly a +10 CF. Justin Upton was the same way.
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sort of like Alfonso Soriano as well
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 4, 2009 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
But I hated Herzog's Cardinals.
Now if only the Phillies would sign Gary Carter, the speed strategy might work!
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Wouldn't it make more sense?
If you moved Beltran, to just play Pagan in center?
Reyes was hobbled this year, and I think it’s safe to say he grades out to be at least a league average SS when healthy. Why move that? BJ Upton was moved because he was terrible. Reyes is far from it.
I was under the impression that Sullivan was a good defensive CF
I mean, the metrics don’t like him, but the scouts all swore he was the best defensive CF in the Rockies’ system for the longest time
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Sullivan's pretty bad at everything, to be honest.
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and yet we paid him $1M to play in AAA
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 4, 2009 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Moving Reyes to the outfield is an interesting idea
but even if we wanted to do that, who would we get to play shortstop? Would that person have greater value than whoever we could acquire to play the outfield?
I like your thinking Sam...
but moving Reyes seems to run a high risk of creating two problems to solve one, especially in a park where the subtle nuances of center field are probably a bigger deal than most places. (I mean that getting a bad read on a ball that’s crushed straightaway or in the allies doesn’t mean much in lots of parks because the ball is likely to go out anyway. In Citi you’re potentially giving up a lot of outs with an inexperienced CF.) I do like the Cameron-like center fielder idea though. I’m kind of assuming that getting Cameron back is—if not impossible—not going to happen anyway.
I wonder if you couldn’t get Coco Crisp on the cheap from KC? He probably has a couple seasons of + defense left in him but wouldn’t clog up the OF for F! You could platoon him with F! and slot Carlos in LF.
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
Crisp has a team option
so he could very well be a FA
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Crisp vs. Pagan
Is he really any better than Pagan at this point? I know he has a better track record, but Pagan’s stick is much better and he’ll be cheaper next year. I would probably take Pagan, especially since we’ll likely be scaling payroll back next season.
by DannyMetsGeek on Sep 4, 2009 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I was thinking about that too Danny...
I kinda like Pagan, baserunning gaffes aside. Two problems though:
1. His durability history is atrocious. I think we’re at the point here where we can say that he may be best in small doses — a dynamite OF super-sub who you could play for 3 weeks if you had to.
2. There seems to be some question about how good his glove really is. I’m not as familiar with the nuances that differentiate UZR from RZR, but the latter likes him (smallish sample size notwithstanding). However, some folks around here don’t consider him that good.
I wouldn’t cry if Pagan was on the team, but I’d be leery about asking too much of him.
Honestly, if I were looking for a bit of pop from my CFer I might see about taking a flier on Rick Ankiel if the price was right.
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
Pagan's durability
HUGE question mark. I would definitely hesitate to rely too much on Pagan next year. I guess Fernando would become the back-up plan for Pagan. I mean, it’s not like 2 guys at the same position with durability issues could be hurt at the same time, right? Oh wait, forget I asked!
I know the point of this article, and it’s a good one, is to focus on upgrading a defense that is just deplorable this year, but CF defense doesn’t seem like the first place to upgrade for me. I would love a big corner OF stick (Holliday?) for next year, and then have Beltran/Pagan/Fernando for CF/other corner. Problem is, methinks the Yanks will be heavy into the Holliday sweepstakes so his price would be steep.
Crisp is certainly a quality add at the right price. There are just so many holes to fill and little money.
by DannyMetsGeek on Sep 4, 2009 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions
The market for corner IF/OF power bats blows
Unfortunately, we missed that train this past off-season. With what looks to be some serious budget constraints I don’t even want to get my hopes up. Omar (or Ricco) is going to have to be creative (someone here mentioned Derek Lee recently) and/or get lucky (maybe you can take on a project and “fix” him, like Ankiel).
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
Like I said, love the thinking here...
and it’s not like Omar wouldn’t consider this given that he’s already done a Cameron/Beltran outfield. Certainly now Beltran would have to be more open to playing a corner spot. There are probably lots of options if you’re okay with an all-glove, no-bat option in center.
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
+1
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
Haha rec'd
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Mark Himmelstein on Sep 4, 2009 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Awesome Sam
The Mets defense has been dreadful this year. But yeah, apparently Mike Pelfrey sucks now.
P.S. The new map: Hilarious.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Mark Himmelstein on Sep 4, 2009 2:08 PM EDT reply actions
Did you know Mike Pelfrey's been worth -0.7 wins with his hitting this year?
I find that actually hilarious.
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-Tug McGraw
It's the pitching coach
Yes the injuries play a role. Park factors may also play a small role.
But the biggest, most obvious, change from last year is that the Mets fired a very stat-savvy pitching coach who heavily emphasized pitching to parts of the strikezone which produced more easily fielded balls and lower BABIP. And replaced him with an “old-school” guy who just told them not to think too much, and to throw it up in the zone more to get more fly balls.
I’m convinced the difference in pitching coaches alone is worth 40 or 50 runs. We have a replacement level pitching coach. I guess that means Peterson should get paid about $20M a year.

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