Dave Cameron: Problems In The Big Apple

"At this point, they just need to start over. The current situation isn’t working and it’s getting worse, not better. The team has a new ballpark in a huge metropolitan area and some terrific pieces to build around – they should be contenders. They should be well run. But they aren’t. It’s time for some wholesale changes before things get any worse, if that’s possible."

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Damn.

I thought this was a quote from Mike Cameron.

"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jan 15, 2010 2:11 PM EST reply actions

me too

2009 Did Not Happen

by cjmulrain on Jan 15, 2010 2:12 PM EST up reply actions

Same

by True Blue4 on Jan 15, 2010 2:13 PM EST up reply actions

Yup, same here.

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jan 15, 2010 2:14 PM EST up reply actions

Oh wow

Better update

by James Kannengieser on Jan 15, 2010 2:14 PM EST up reply actions

I wish Mike Cameron said it

by James Kannengieser on Jan 15, 2010 2:14 PM EST up reply actions

Nothing new, to us anyway.

We’ve known that the organization has been fairly dysfunctional for, what, a good year or two now?

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jan 15, 2010 2:16 PM EST reply actions

Yeah.

File this under “No shit.”

Oh, the butcher and the baker and the people on the street: wheredotheygo?!?!?

by CharlieH on Jan 15, 2010 2:18 PM EST up reply actions

I was hoping it was about James Cameron saying this

it would make that Mets are like the Na’vi post WAY more relevant. Really though no surprise here but its nice to hear somebody else saying it.

by KeithsMoustache on Jan 15, 2010 2:20 PM EST reply actions

hey yeah, good point

i think hes too busy springboarding into scrooge mcduck-like piles of money right now to comment.

HELLO HELLO MR WILPON... BUY THAT MANSION. WE DONT NEED A CONDO.

by kendynamo on Jan 15, 2010 2:21 PM EST up reply actions

maybe he'll buy the Mets

and turn them into a 3-d extravaganza

by KeithsMoustache on Jan 15, 2010 2:36 PM EST up reply actions

a bunch of dummies in the front office

baseball players are a franchises most valuable commodity. well, after the stadiums, i suppose. but can you imagine where you can spend $120m on an asset and be so clueless about it? cameron is probably right that omar is no longer in control and the fact that hes not yet fired is ridiculous. is there anyone or anything holding the wilpons accountable for the colossal mismanagement? MLB is making too much money. i think we need another strike to help get rid of the incompetent owners.

HELLO HELLO MR WILPON... BUY THAT MANSION. WE DONT NEED A CONDO.

by kendynamo on Jan 15, 2010 2:20 PM EST reply actions

i could never wish for another strike

that was torture.

by KeithsMoustache on Jan 15, 2010 2:21 PM EST up reply actions

thats just hyperbole talking

i wouldnt really wish for one. maybe we can organize a fan revolt and buy the team from them, hire a board or trust to run the team that answers to shareholders like the packers.

HELLO HELLO MR WILPON... BUY THAT MANSION. WE DONT NEED A CONDO.

by kendynamo on Jan 15, 2010 2:33 PM EST up reply actions

Ah yes, my well managed team

Gotta love the Pack for actually making semi-intelligent personnel decisions. Of course thanks to the deportation of their defense last Sunday I’m stuck with the Mets for at least the next seven months. Sigh…

"F***ing shocker." -Billy Wagner

by nymgb44 on Jan 17, 2010 12:33 PM EST up reply actions

Maybe we're getting all the awful/fail out early this year

and it’s going to be nothing but win from april to october.

"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'

it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.

by Gina on Jan 17, 2010 12:55 PM EST up reply actions

It's really pretty depressing

they’re really going to waste David Wright & Jose Reyes’ primes, and for what? It sometimes seems like the front office identifies what the smart thing to do would be in any given situation, spends a few days figuring out what the exact opposite of that would be, and then implements it. It’s like a running gag they’re playing on all of us, or something. And I mean, really, is that any crazier of a scenario than their entire front office really being this incompetent?

2009 Did Not Happen

by cjmulrain on Jan 15, 2010 2:25 PM EST reply actions

The most depressing thing is that Wright and Reyes will be blamed for it

by Bieser's Balk on Jan 15, 2010 2:30 PM EST up reply actions

too true.

i cant wait for retrospectives 10 years from now talking about how reyes, wright and beltran didnt have the right stuff to put together a championship run.

HELLO HELLO MR WILPON... BUY THAT MANSION. WE DONT NEED A CONDO.

by kendynamo on Jan 15, 2010 2:34 PM EST up reply actions

gah

I’m amazed even Jason Bay decided to sign here given this teams propensity towards the epically stupid

by KeithsMoustache on Jan 15, 2010 2:37 PM EST up reply actions

I bet he's regretting it right about now. We got him now, he can't escape this zoo.

by BigBoyJacobs on Jan 15, 2010 2:43 PM EST up reply actions

he's probably thinking of his contract

“please don’t vest, please don’t vest, please don’t vest”

by KeithsMoustache on Jan 15, 2010 2:45 PM EST up reply actions

I sort of feel guilty

for wasting the talents of Wright, Reyes, and Santana. I mean they all deserve to be a member of a great team, not a great circus. I’m not in anyway saying we should give em away. I don’t feel THAT guilty.

by wrightttxgirlllx3 on Jan 15, 2010 3:16 PM EST up reply actions

i know what you mean

i’d love to see these guys succeed, but not so much that i’d like to see them do it elsewhere.

by KeithsMoustache on Jan 15, 2010 3:29 PM EST up reply actions

Lol I feel terrible for Santana

Wright and Reyes have the option to leave still in their primes, and at this point I’m legit worried that they will to get away from this circus, Santana signed with us because he thought we were committed to winning, no lie he vetoed a trade to the Rangers that would have netted the twins a much better package, and he didn’t think the Rangers or Twins were, he probably cries himself to sleep over that everyday.

"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'

it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.

by Gina on Jan 15, 2010 3:35 PM EST up reply actions

Poor Johan.

You just wanna give the guy a hug,

by wrightttxgirlllx3 on Jan 15, 2010 3:40 PM EST up reply actions

ouch

yeah rough for Santana too for sure,

by KeithsMoustache on Jan 15, 2010 3:40 PM EST up reply actions

Santana is making $123 million from the Mets

I doubt he’s crying too much

by Syler on Jan 15, 2010 3:41 PM EST up reply actions

yeah buts Mets money isn't like real money

by KeithsMoustache on Jan 15, 2010 3:41 PM EST up reply actions

no income tax

in texas either. versus huge taxes in new york, that 123 million goes a looooooot farther if he signs with the rangers.

by cntrlalt on Jan 15, 2010 6:51 PM EST up reply actions

very very true

federal, state AND city taxes take a big bite out of that contract. of course you make up some of that in endorsements and publicity but state income tax differential is no small potatoes.

HELLO HELLO MR WILPON... BUY THAT MANSION. WE DONT NEED A CONDO.

by kendynamo on Jan 15, 2010 10:28 PM EST up reply actions

So poor Santana is making $80 million instead of $123 million

I’m not one to begrudge a player for the money he makes, but the guy is filthy rich. Lets not make like he can’t buy whatever he wants, cause he can.

The Mets lobby Omar for a plan, and his plan, he likes his plan. The problem is that he didn't write his plan down 'cause that makes it paperwork, and that’s false hustle... Know what I’m sayin’?

by Evan_S on Jan 15, 2010 11:24 PM EST up reply actions

can he buy the mets and start making good decisions?

by KeithsMoustache on Jan 16, 2010 12:41 AM EST up reply actions

sure, i never meant to imply otherwise

i was talking more about the choices free agents have and how taxes affect them. im not trying to drum up sympathy for multi-multi millionaires.

HELLO HELLO MR WILPON... BUY THAT MANSION. WE DONT NEED A CONDO.

by kendynamo on Jan 16, 2010 1:27 PM EST up reply actions

Well I was joking about the crying

but the Rangers likely would have paid him as much and the Twins offered a pretty big contract. From what I read a big reason he wanted to come here was because he was tired of watching “great” players be allowed to walk in Minnesota and didn’t want to go through another rebuilding process.

"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'

it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.

by Gina on Jan 15, 2010 3:42 PM EST up reply actions

He should have had some wording in his contract

that he could void it himself if the Mets were dumb as a sack of hammers. I think the clause would kick in right about now.

by KeithsMoustache on Jan 15, 2010 3:43 PM EST up reply actions

That clause would have kicked in when he signed the contract

by Syler on Jan 15, 2010 3:45 PM EST up reply actions

"WHO WOULD LEAD?! THE CLOWN?!"

by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jan 15, 2010 2:58 PM EST up reply actions

Forgot to post the link

http://www.theonion.com/content/news_briefs/resigned_jason_bay_well_im

"WHO WOULD LEAD?! THE CLOWN?!"

by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jan 15, 2010 2:59 PM EST up reply actions

I'm not sure that after turning down the reported 4/60 from the RSox

Bay had any offers close to the Mets 4/66. He went where the money was.

As for Reyes and Wright I’m assuming both are gone when their contracts are up.
Wright can leave after 2013 and I’d bet a lot he’s going to. The Mets, assuming they sign Molina, have around $100 million wrapped up in 14 WAR in 2010 and 2011. After that Reyes leaves in my scenario, FRodriguez gets his $17m option, and Bay and Santana are getting over $40m per year for the years of their contracts you give players only in order to get their earlier, better years. There’s no way this club amounts to anything by the time Wright’s a FA. What does he need this shite for?

by SeanSchirmer on Jan 19, 2010 2:55 AM EST up reply actions

this is not what i would call

keeping hope alive

"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'

it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.

by Gina on Jan 19, 2010 8:50 PM EST up reply actions

When Bengie Molina's too good to take your money,

all that’s left is to try to turn pessimism into an art form.

I predict five years of wandering in the desert of second place and worse, no wildcard, a couple of sub-.500 seasons (who did we say our 4th OFer was with Beltran out?), the GM after Omar is fired is fired, then, miraculously, the Wilpons, thinking she’s an applicant for the secretarial pool, accidentally hire Kim Ng who turns out to be bloody brilliant. Wary of appearing to dominate a female GM Jeff Wilpon settles on a hands off policy for a few years, during which time Ms. Ng assembles a 105 win team headed by Cy Young award winner Jennry Mejia. Only the terrible, terrible collapse of the Triboro bridge when all twenty five limos taking the team to Yankee Stadium to the fourth and presumably final game of the World Series fell into the river prevented a budding dynasty from collecting its just due.

by SeanSchirmer on Jan 21, 2010 2:22 AM EST up reply actions

This will be interpreted as: "Dave Cameron lobby for a job as Mets GM"

Poll: yes or definitely yes?

by Michkin on Jan 15, 2010 2:42 PM EST reply actions

The most telling comment to me... (paraphrase)

“…when you don’t trust your GM to meet with the press, you need a new GM.”

The Wilpons have, once again, half-made a decision. They’ve half-fired Omar. They half-supported Carlos Beltran’s surgery. Perhaps my biggest frustration with the Wilpons is their seeming inability to identify an appropriate course of action, implement it system-wide, and evaluate it.

I had a college professor who said, “The biggest accidents happen in the middle of the road.” That’s where the Mets are; stuck in the middle of heaven-only-knows how many competing plans.

"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin

by dcrockett17 on Jan 15, 2010 2:43 PM EST reply actions

Or, as a very wise man once put it:

Walk on road, hm? Walk left side, safe. Walk right side, safe. Walk middle, sooner or later, squish, get squish just like grape. Here, karate, same thing. Either you karate do “yes” or karate do “no”. You karate do “guess so”, squish, just like grape. Understand?

by JoshNY on Jan 15, 2010 2:51 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs

Rec'ed. I liked the squish part.

by Michkin on Jan 15, 2010 2:58 PM EST up reply actions

Omar already got half fired last year

when he royally fucked up the Tony Bernazzard press conference. The fact he still ahs a job is a miracle.
Omar will be fired though, by the end of the year, if the Mets are .500.

"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"

by firejerrynow on Jan 15, 2010 4:10 PM EST up reply actions

I dunno

If the Mets finish .500 this year without Carlos Beltran playing for the first, say, two months, it might be the excuse he needs to stick around.

I’m a pessimist.

"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jan 15, 2010 4:37 PM EST up reply actions

"The devil he lobby for my soul"

It’s not a miracle. Miracles come from God. Omar is spawn of Satan so his deal is with the devil. That is the only logical way he has a job.

Jerry and Omar assclowns for life

by Ghost of seven in a row on Jan 15, 2010 10:49 PM EST up reply actions

Yeah, well, that's just like his opinion, man.

Besides, these Mets are nihilists. There’s nothing to be afraid of.

by Matthew Artus on Jan 15, 2010 3:05 PM EST reply actions 1 recs

you're out of your element donnie

by KeithsMoustache on Jan 15, 2010 3:30 PM EST up reply actions

This isn't Vietnam, we have rules

Jerry and Omar assclowns for life

by Ghost of seven in a row on Jan 15, 2010 10:50 PM EST up reply actions

you see what happens larry?

you see what happens when you F*** a stranger in the ass?!

by KeithsMoustache on Jan 16, 2010 12:44 AM EST up reply actions

unfortunately you can't start new

when the biggest problem is incompetent owners.

i think its time to start a bake sale, so we can buy the mets.

"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'

it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.

by Gina on Jan 15, 2010 3:19 PM EST reply actions 1 recs

Got it

We can sell Omar old cupcakes nobody else wants for $12 million apiece.

by pologroundling on Jan 15, 2010 3:42 PM EST up reply actions

or we can just bake omar, and the wilpons for good measure

problem solved.

by KeithsMoustache on Jan 15, 2010 3:44 PM EST up reply actions

Also I think the most frightening thing that doesn't get talked about as much

is that we always talk about how these types of shenanigans hurt us with big name free agents, but i wonder how much this nonsense affects whether wright/reyes will even want to resign with us.

"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'

it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.

by Gina on Jan 15, 2010 3:36 PM EST reply actions

Maybe this is more of a hope than a thought,

but I think Wright will stay. I don’t know about Reyes. But I think Wright has it in his mind that he wants to be the guy who turns this team around and brings home a WS ring. The question is how much patience does he have?

by wrightttxgirlllx3 on Jan 15, 2010 3:38 PM EST up reply actions

i actually agree with you here

I think Wright comes back and Reyes plays hardball with negotiations

by KeithsMoustache on Jan 15, 2010 3:41 PM EST up reply actions

Didn't Wright say he wanted to be with the Mets for the rest of his career when he signed that extension?

I hope that still holds true

by Syler on Jan 15, 2010 3:43 PM EST up reply actions

Yeah he did

he also said in his interview with Francesa the other day that he hopes to be around for a long time. That made me smile.

by wrightttxgirlllx3 on Jan 15, 2010 3:43 PM EST up reply actions

never count on the mets to do anything

Everyone expects them to be dismal this season. maybe they will shock everyone and actually play good ball in 2010?

am i delusional?

by the caveman on Jan 15, 2010 3:40 PM EST reply actions

Well we won the off-season last year and failed miserably

we’re royally fucking up this off-season so maybe the opposite will happen during the season?

"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'

it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.

by Gina on Jan 15, 2010 3:41 PM EST up reply actions

theres some logic in that

by KeithsMoustache on Jan 15, 2010 3:41 PM EST up reply actions

We ARE the Miracle Mets...right?

by wrightttxgirlllx3 on Jan 15, 2010 3:46 PM EST up reply actions

I think that only applies to the '69 Mets

This is more like the Makeshift Mets

by KeithsMoustache on Jan 15, 2010 3:48 PM EST up reply actions

The Minaya Mets

you know what I’m sayin?

by wrightttxgirlllx3 on Jan 15, 2010 3:50 PM EST up reply actions

i have a team, and that team, i like that team

by KeithsMoustache on Jan 15, 2010 3:52 PM EST up reply actions

Minaya seems to become more moronic every day

I am baffled at him anymore. I didn’t think he was such a moron until the last few months. I would love to see him fired but who would replace him ASAP. That Ricco guy didn’t seem to bright either on the interviews I saw and read.

by Rickfansince76 on Jan 15, 2010 5:01 PM EST reply actions

I would take a Mariners, Red Sox or Rays janitor at this point

by Bieser's Balk on Jan 15, 2010 5:42 PM EST up reply actions

The little I've seen of Ricco

isn’t very impressive. He doesn’t have the grasp of language that indicates a precise thinker. On the other hand the rumor is he’s a numbers guy—perhaps that means he’s a sabr guy. That at least would be a step in the right direction.

by SeanSchirmer on Jan 19, 2010 3:06 AM EST up reply actions

This just confirms what i've always felt

The M in Mets Fan stands for Masochist

"I reject your reality and substitute my own"
-Adam Savage

by blueandorange4life on Jan 15, 2010 5:23 PM EST reply actions

I understand this latest episode has angered Fred Wilpon. In a call to his son Jeff he made it perfectly clear that he expects his son to take better care of his toys and to put them away when he finishes playing with them.

by gategem on Jan 15, 2010 7:51 PM EST reply actions 1 recs