Mets All-Decade Team: Third Base
| Num | Player | Seasons | PA | WAR |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | David Wright | 6 | 3,665 | 27.1 |
| 2 | Edgardo Alfonzo | 1 | 562 | 5.3 |
| 3 | Robin Ventura | 2 | 1,100 | 4 |
| 4 | Ty Wigginton | 2 | 972 | -0.3 |
I switched up the methodology a bit on this one. In the previous posts in this series I was including anyone who played for the Mets from 2000-2009 who appeared at the respective position in at least 50% of his games over that span. This was the easiest method to be sure, but it lumped all of a player's contributions into the pot for that position, even if he spent one or more seasons at a different one (e.g. Edgardo Alfonzo played primarily second base in the aughts but he spent 2002 at third base). This time around I applied the 50% filter to individual seasons, so now we have any player who appeared at third base in at least 50% of his games in any particular season, and the WAR totals (and plate appearances) are from only those seasons.
Robin Ventura was the Mets' principal third-baseman when this past decade began, and after ending the nineties with a wRC+ of 133 and a sixth-place finish in the MVP voting in 1999, he fell off considerably, posting wRC+ marks of 97 in 2000 and 108 in 2001. Most of his value those years came from his glove, which was still above-average, and the positional adjustment for playing third base. The Mets traded him to the Yankees for David Justice following the 2001 season and Ventura stung the Mets by a) getting in shape, and b) notching a four-win season with the Bombers.
Pursuant to the Mets' inauspicious acquisition of Roberto Alomar prior to the 2002 season, Edgardo Alfonzo shifted positions, again, this time moving from second to third to make room for Alomar. Alfonzo followed up a shabby 2001 with a wRC+ of 135 and the fourth -- and final -- five-plus WAR season of his career.
The Mets elected not to resign Alfonzo after the 2002 season, so while he accepted a three-year offer to play third base for the Giants, the Mets began grooming Ty Wigginton to be their third-baseman of the then-present, with an assist from journeyman infielder Jay Bell. The young Wiggie was underwhelming offensively and historically inept defensively in 2003, kicking the ball around to the tune of a -27 TotalZone runs rating with the glove. Wigginton was traded to the Pirates midway through the 2004 season in the deal that brought Anna Benson to New York.
After Wigginton's departure, a 21-year-old David Wright was called up and registered 1.4 WAR in just 280 plate appearances. Wright rarely took a day off over the subsequent five seasons, collecting more than 27 WAR by the end of the decade, all before his 27th birthday.
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yeah but Wright's a bum
He can’t hit anymore and he was never clutch. Bring back Wigginton!
Somehow, a chain of events unfolded that put Steve Phillips in a professional broadcast booth Sunday night so he could rip Carlos Beltran. Try to explain that in any other terms.
Did someone not honestly suggest that (brining back Wigginton) a few days/weeks ago?
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jan 2, 2010 2:46 PM EST up reply actions
Didn't see that conclusion coming...
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jan 2, 2010 2:45 PM EST reply actions
Wow...Good for Jose Lima!
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jan 2, 2010 11:26 PM EST up reply actions
Wiggington was my favorite player before he got traded
And was providing lots of energy to the Mets team that season. I still think we would have been better off moving him to first than moving him for Benson; when he left so did the heart of the team
the team went 71-91
I don’t think Ty’s “heart” and “energy” was going to will them into the playoffs.
By all means, bring back Wigginton for the league minimum to pinch-hit against lefties, but I don’t think he’s got much use beyond that at this point.
Somehow, a chain of events unfolded that put Steve Phillips in a professional broadcast booth Sunday night so he could rip Carlos Beltran. Try to explain that in any other terms.
by Greenpoint Ian on Jan 2, 2010 4:52 PM EST up reply actions
Hey I didn't say they were going to make it to the playoffs
Just that when he left, the team lost one of its few hard-nosed players and that he would have provided more than Kris Benson.
I don’t know why I liked him so much, maybe it was the lack of good alternates to root for, but probably because he never seemed to give up and I was young and didn’t want to give up on those crappy Mets teams.
Kris Benson got us John Maine and (indirectly) Orlando Hernandez
Both of whom were worth more than Ty Wigginton.
Somehow, a chain of events unfolded that put Steve Phillips in a professional broadcast booth Sunday night so he could rip Carlos Beltran. Try to explain that in any other terms.
by Greenpoint Ian on Jan 2, 2010 10:07 PM EST up reply actions
Where doth these WAR numbers coming from?
I can only find pre-2002 numbers at Baseballprojection.com, which I incidentally found gave Brandon Phillips a 2.0 WAR in 2007 compared to Fangraphs 5.0 for the same year. What methodology would cause this discrepancy, and what is most reliable?
Travis Hafner is made of gold
These are from BaseballProjection.com
The main cause of Phillips’s 2007 disparity is in the fielding measurements. BaseballProjection uses TotalZone, which is based on RetroSheet data, and has Phillips at -6 runs. FanGraphs uses UZR, which is based on a number of context-specific factors like type of batted ball, location, ballpark, pitcher type, trajectory, etc., and has Phillips at +15 runs, so that’s a difference of two wins right there. FanGraphs also has Phillips around a win better with the bat.
FWIW, StatCorner has Phillips at 3.6 hWAR (hitting WAR) in 2007, which is pretty close to what FanGraphs has.
UZR takes far more variables into account to determine defensive value; TotalZone only uses play-by-play data, so there’s a lot of information missing from that equation. FanGraphs’ WAR is probably your best bet, though their WAR data only goes back to 2002 so you’ll need to use BaseballProjection for anything earlier than that.


































