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Better Options than Gary Matthews Jr.?



In the wake of the Gary Matthews Jr trade, I thought I would take a look at other outfield options that I believe are still available right now. In other words, this is not counting players like Jerry Hairston Jr, who signed a few days ago with the Padres, or players like Reid Gorecki, Mike Restovich, or Darnell McDonald who have already signed minor league deals, or even Matt Murton, who has signed to play in Japan.

Certainly, the Mets have known for some time that Carlos Beltran's knees were an issue and that they needed a back up option for CF. I mean they do read Will Carroll don't they? But just for fun, lets pretend this is something unexpected and the Mets couldn't have addressed it sooner. What would you do if you were GM in this situation?

A look at some of  the available options:

Randy Winn - While he's the same age as Matthews, born almost 3 months earlier, Winn remains a productive player and the better athlete, still playing solid defense, and stealing a total of 41 bases over the past 2 seasons with only 4 CS. He did see a sharp drop in his offense last season, posting only a .302 wOBA after being around .350 for the previous two seasons. But, while not too much rebound is expected given his age, he still projects easily to be worth about 1 WAR, even with about a .310 wOBA, as his defense should still be near average in CF and above average in a corner. Reports are he is unlikely to land a starting job this offseason, with San Diego and Arizona the teams who have shown the most interest so far. If he's being signed as a bench guy, it's hard to imagine he would cost more than a few million over what the Mets will be paying the inferior Matthews Jr. CHONE projects .269/.317/.364 and +8.1 RAR

Reed Johnson - The 33 year has been roughly a league average bat, with a .331 career wOBA, and .327 last season. He's a poor defensive CF, just OK in a corner, but not really any worse overall defensively than Matthews is at this stage. The Cubs remain interested, as are the Yankees (per the NY Times), but he's not expected to get more than the $2M 1 year deal Jerry Hairston recently received. Chone projects him for a .320 wOBA, hitting .268/.335/.384, not too far below average, but with his defense bringing him down to about a replacement level overall, for a net +1 RAR. That's essentially a Gary Matthews glove but a better bat.

Rocco Baldelli - The 28 year old outfielder boasts an about average .333 career wOBA, and on top of that plays above average defense in a corner, near average in CF.  The catch here is that a rare medical condition, referred to as a channelopathy, which causes slow muscle recovery, and won't permit him to be an everyday player. The condition is non-progressive, though, and he should continue to be able to produce as normal in a bench role, now that the condition is properly diagnosed and can be managed through diet and medication. The Yankees and Cubs are again the teams which have shown interest.  CHONE projects .260/.319/.448, for a .334 wOBA, and +9.0 RAR in 364 PA.  Even if that playing time estimate is optimistic, Baldelli would be around +5 RAR in even very limited time, as he adds value both offensively and defensively.

Johnny Damon - The 36 year old is the reason the Yankees are shopping for a bench player, as he has already turned down their 2 year $14M offer. This appears to have been a mistake, as he is unlikely to get as much now elsewhere. Damon can still hit though, with his .376 wOBA last year well above his career average of .351.  Like Winn, Damon also still has good speed, with 41 SB over the last 2 seasons to only 8 CS. Defensively, he's a bit below average now for CF, but still a bit above average for a corner.  Damon is the one guy here who should cost significantly more than Matthews, but would be well worth it.. CHONE projects a .352 wOBA, with his solid defense bringing him to 32.1 RAR total. That's an above average starter, nearly as good as most are expecting from Jason Bay.

Gabe Gross - The 30 year old is another near average bat, with a .325 career wOBA, and a .328 CHONE forecast for next season. On top of that, he's a near average defender in CF, and above average in the corners. Nonetheless, he was non-tendered by the Rays after a career low .306 wOBA last year, and seems to be seeing surprisingly little interest so far in the hot-stove season. Gross is best as a platoon option, you would want a RHB to pair with him,  as he struggles vs. LHP.  Still, CHONE forecasts a .243/.342/.393 line, with positive defensive value bringing him to +8.6 RAR in just 307 PA.

Marcus Thames - Thames who will be 33 by opening day, is a poor choice if you really need someone to cover CF, as he's strictly a corner OF. But, you still have to wonder how much worse he'd be out there than Matthews at this stage, and he is a younger and better bat. He has a career .336 wOBA, was .329 last year, and CHONE has him forecast for a .238/.307/.467 line, a .334 wOBA, and still a net +1.9 RAR after factoring in his defensive liabilities.

Jeff Fiorentino - Fiorentino, who will be 27 in April, only has 178 big league PA so far in his career. But, he's turned into an outstanding player at the AAA level, and impressed last year in  a taste of the big league with Baltimore. His MLE for last season in AAA was .270/.333/.430, and he has played solid defense at all three outfield positions for his career.  While he played mostly RF last year, he does have a bit of speed, with 15 steals last season, and his young legs would certainly make him a better choice in CF than Matthews. CHONE forecasts a .269/.344/.409 line, for a .334 wOBA, and adding positive defensive value to bring him to +15.2 RAR.

Alfredo Amezaga - The "Amazing Amezaga" has only a career .289 wOBA, and isn't projected to do much more than that by CHONE. What the 32 year old brings to the table to compensate though, is above average defense at almost any position. Despite the mediocre bat, Amezaga has been worth a cummulative 45.3 RAR for the Marlins over the last 4 seasons.  He still plays a solid CF and despite a CHONE offensive projection of only .252/.309/.344, and only a .292 wOBA, he is still projected for +8.1 RAR.

Prentice Redman - The 30 year old former Met farmhand, and brother of Tike Redman, has turned into one of the best outfielders in AAA.  While his OPS numbers of .920 in 2008, and .900 in 2009 look intriguing, the bat likely still won't translate that well to MLB, as his MLE line for last year of .268/.313/.465 indicates. But, while the high strikeouts and lack of discipline put some limits on the bat, that's still a respectable line. And while he's not a great defender, he still does play all three OF positions. While giving a big league job to a guy like Redman would seem a poor choice in a market in which there have been superior proven major leaguers available cheaply, like Coco Crisp getting only $5.25M, I think the point is that a realistic projection for Redman is still probably close to what an optimistic one for the 35 year old Matthews might be.  CHONE says .250/.321/.430, for a total of +6.5 RAR.

Poll
If I were Mets GM, and I needed to add an OF in the wake of Beltran's injury news, I would...
sign Randy Winn
37 votes
sign Reed Johnson
13 votes
sign Johnny Damon
34 votes
sign Rocco Baldelli
44 votes
sign Gabe Gross
7 votes
sign Marcus Thames
4 votes
sign Jeff Fiorentino
12 votes
sign Alfredo Amezaga
6 votes
sign Prentice Redman
4 votes
Trade Brian Stokes for Gary Mathews Jr.
20 votes
Other (please make suggestions in comments)
9 votes

190 votes | Poll has closed

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how about byrnes

since he’s still available, or ankiel since he was available until last night/early this morning, I can’t remember when the news released.

"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'

it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.

by Gina on Jan 22, 2010 10:32 PM EST reply actions  

everybody

laughed at me, espescially Keith’s Stasche, about Ankiel. Glad to see you guys coming around.Ricky’ll have a great year for whomever gives him the opportunity.

Lead, follow, or get out of the way

by myrick4gm on Jan 23, 2010 2:10 AM EST up reply actions  

to bad the mets front office didnt come around before he signed elsewhere

"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'

it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.

by Gina on Jan 23, 2010 2:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Eric Byrnes

Yeah, I probably should have included him.
He was actually released on Wednesday.
I knew he was designated for assignment last Saturday,
but that means you still have 10 days to either trade or release him.
I was almost afriaid Omar could still pull off a last minute trade,
even though everyone knew he was supposed to be released.

But, seeing as he’s now officially been released,
yes he would have been another option,
and a good analogy for how Matthews should have been handled.
Wait until he’s a FA, and pay MLB minimum.

In Byrnes case, he was released after not impressing in Winter ball, and leaving his team after being beat out for playing time there by Timo Perez. So, if I include Byrnes, the question is do I have to include Timo as well?

Timo played in the Mexican League last year (hit .323/.406/.476).

by acerimusdux on Jan 23, 2010 3:11 AM EST up reply actions  

I went with Baldelli

He’s got a little bit of power, he’s still just entering into his prime, in center field, he’s generally had a positive UZR (even if it’s decimal points over 0.0), I always root for guys named ‘Rocco’, and he’s basically got no suitors, meaning he’d come at a cheap price. His main problem, that he can’t play for prolonged periods, isn’t going to make much a difference, since we’d be using him as a temporary back-up/pinch hitter, in the first place.

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jan 22, 2010 11:13 PM EST reply actions  

this was my reasoning too

If a guy named Rocco can’t make it with the Mets, where can he? Though I’d also be happy (happier than Stokes-for-Matthews) with a lot of the other choices — I think Thames could be a very good shot to help out with the bat for a small-change contract, and Amezaga is both good and undervalued in a very Endy Chavez-like way. Stockpiling a few of these names in AAA and looking at them in spring training would really be my preferred solution.

by anonymous on Jan 22, 2010 11:51 PM EST up reply actions  

This is a popular misconception that Baldelli can't play a full season

They had originally diagnosed him with an autoimmune disease that is chronic and serious. In the past year he was diagnosed with channelopathy, which is treatable, and when properly managed will have a minimal impact on his playing ability. If properly treated he is a strong backup outfielder with some upside. Everybody (MLB scouts included) still seem to think he has an untreatable disease, which is not true, it just took a few years to figure out what the problem was since channelopaty is pretty rare. I’d sign him in a heartbeat because he can be a valuable player now that they’ve diagnosed his problem.

by KeithsMoustache on Jan 23, 2010 1:00 AM EST up reply actions  

He still only played 62 games last season

I believe he did get the correct diagnosis before last season and still only got into 62 games. And it’s hard to say if some of his injuries last year were related to the Channelopathy or not (specifically a hamstring problem early in the season and a hip flexor strain in October which kept him off the playoff roster). But others clearly weren’t (a knee contusion after running into a wall in May, and a bruised foot in August).

I tend to think you can probably still get him into 100 games and 300 PA, but I’m not sure. And they still haven’t been very specific about what the actual medical condition is. “Channelopathy” can cover a broad class. One would hope that another year after getting the correct diagnosis they are getting a better idea of what works for him as far as treatment.

The upside there, at any rate, is probably the best on this list. And I’d love to see him given a look at 1B as well, I think he’d be a natural there, and maybe even be less injury prone.

by acerimusdux on Jan 23, 2010 3:37 AM EST up reply actions  

as a backup CF who can play corner OF spots

if he can play in 100 games he’d be well worth the investment, and i think some of the reason he only played in 60 last year is even with the condition now treated it’ll take a while to work him up to playing in full seasons since he hasn’t had the opportunity to do that much in his career. A move to first base might be an excellent option for him as well. He would be a pretty versatile piece to add who’s largely forgotten by baseball.

by KeithsMoustache on Jan 23, 2010 12:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I didn't say that he can't play a full season. On that matter, I don't think that he can play a full 162 games.

But, it doesn’t matter all too much, being as that he’d be playing in a back-up capacity to begin with.

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jan 23, 2010 12:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Stupid pressing the reply button too early.

I didn’t say that he can’t play a full season. On that matter, I don’t think that he can play a full 162 games but it doesn’t matter all too much, being as that he’d be playing in a back-up capacity to begin with. Sticking him over at 1st base would be a very interesting option, and that would likely be a LOT less taxing on his health and energy, being that there’s a lot less running and moving around.

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jan 23, 2010 12:57 PM EST up reply actions  

he probably can't do 162 this year

but I think he could be worked up to 162 over a couple years. He’ll be young, cheap, and talented. And thankfully you’re right, we wouldn’t need him for 162 anyway, but having the option would be nice, and i think he can be built up to a player who has the potential to see regular time if needed.

by KeithsMoustache on Jan 23, 2010 12:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Plus all he really needs to be

is better than GMjr

"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'

it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.

by Gina on Jan 23, 2010 12:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Not all that hard.

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jan 23, 2010 12:58 PM EST up reply actions  

JOSE PAGAN

GMjr, he’s better than all above mentioned…for 1.25m per Omar did well, guys give him just a tiny little bit of credit……….

by 1969met on Jan 22, 2010 11:21 PM EST reply actions  

huh?

I’m pretty sure that Jose Pagan — who played his last game in 1973 — was actually a worse option than many/most of the guys listed in the poll.

by anonymous on Jan 22, 2010 11:25 PM EST up reply actions  

also, he wasnt't a center fielder

be fair, he had a .348 wOBA once

"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"

by firejerrynow on Jan 23, 2010 9:21 AM EST up reply actions  

jose pagan played next to willie mays, so I guess cf was out the question, move over say hey kid, he played

in 164 games in 1962 for the giants, having played all positions except pitcher or cf in his career,……………….but easily could have played cf in his youth……

by 1969met on Jan 23, 2010 7:14 PM EST up reply actions  

11 th on MVP ballot for 1962 in the NL right behind Stan Musial who was at # 10.

Also, traded for Jayson Werth’s grandfather Dick Schofield, the Met ss Dick Schofield’s father…..so……………….

by 1969met on Jan 23, 2010 7:27 PM EST up reply actions  

...so?

Could you maybe find time between holding down the “.” key to explain why you brought up Jose Pagan and what he has to do with this discussion?

by anonymous on Jan 23, 2010 7:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Mays, Musial, ............Werth ................six (6).....Degrees of seperation......................to greatness....

another words find someone who could really play and not all these scrubs people are bringing up……………

by 1969met on Jan 23, 2010 7:40 PM EST up reply actions  

You really have to stop

with all the ellipses, it’s retarded and makes it hard to take you seriously. A comma has the same effect, and when you end a sentence, a simple period would do the trick. Not trying to be a grammar, or punctuation nazi, it’s just really annoying.

"Three home teams advance, and the fuckin' Jets" - Rex Ryan

by Evan_S on Jan 23, 2010 7:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Can you try explaining your point a little less, er, poetically?

“Mays, Musial, Werth”? “Six (6) degrees”? I have no idea what this means. At all. In those words or “another.”

by anonymous on Jan 23, 2010 8:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Besides rooting for the Mets AA readers comment and enjoy the challenge of dicussing how to improve the Mets. Correct?

I’ve been harping on the threads that until the Mets actually start obtaining players who help win games and not players who help lose games the Mets will not improve. That’s the premise. Now follow me, Jose Pagan was a decent player who actually helped teams win in the 1950’s, ’60’s and to a lesser extent 1970’s. He never was a bad player, although natrually his skills diminished with age. While playing with Willie Mays, he could never have been expected to replace Mays or play CF. However, as starting ss for the Giants in 1962 he played in 164 games, impressive or no? Having been a Mays teammate he must have been ok. Right? In fact he was so much ok, that in 1962 he finished in 11th place for MVP balloting in the NL. One spot behind the great HoF Stan Musial, the greatest Cardinal of them all (including Pujols, for now). Having been traded for Jayson Werth’s grandfather, he must have been pretty good, since Jayson Werth is pretty good (I hate to say it, Werth being a Philly). Hence, the 6 degrees or 3 degrees of you know someone who knows someone! Mays great, Musial, great, Werth good, therefore, we need only obtain good to great players. Get it?

by 1969met on Jan 23, 2010 9:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Omar believes that players improve with age

like a fine wine.

That 2007 Alou wine was awesome. The 2008 was pretty good too.

you know what I'm sayin' ?

by fxcarden on Jan 23, 2010 9:59 PM EST up reply actions  

that was my thought

it was a coherent well written post.

and it still made absolutely no sense.

"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'

it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.

by Gina on Jan 24, 2010 1:29 AM EST up reply actions  

I think he meant to say Angel Pagan

and he’s just pulling our legs with the rest of this shaggy dog story.

by acerimusdux on Jan 24, 2010 1:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Well, if he is, give him credit for making it good.

Saying something you want to say is always a good thing, but saying something accidentally, and then coming up with a whole schpiel to make it all look like it was intentional is even better. And no ellipses!

Thumbs up.

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jan 24, 2010 1:56 AM EST up reply actions  

credit where it's due

and why do I get this wierd “the topic of Mike Pelfrey’s regression…” popup from time to time on this site? Anyone else?

by SeanSchirmer on Jan 24, 2010 2:12 AM EST up reply actions  

Firefox Adblock

Greatest add on ever

"Three home teams advance, and the fuckin' Jets" - Rex Ryan

by Evan_S on Jan 24, 2010 5:16 AM EST up reply actions  

If you actually think he's better than these options, you've been in a coma for the past two years.

Good to see you’ve waken up, man.

John Olerud, Hall of Famer. Got a nice ring to it.

by squid92 on Jan 23, 2010 7:06 AM EST up reply actions  

I vote

Any of the above rather than trading Socks! for Gary Matthews Jr.

by Ryan_86 on Jan 23, 2010 12:45 AM EST reply actions  

Alfredo Amezaga would also be a handy guy to have around.

Offensively, he’s not all that great. Defensively, though, he’s a somewhat proficient utility guy who can play all over the place, infield and outfield. Most of those positions, he’s had a positive UZR, too. The numbers seem to be dropping each year, but most are still on the positive side.

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jan 23, 2010 1:03 AM EST reply actions  

so he'll fit right in

"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'

it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.

by Gina on Jan 23, 2010 2:52 AM EST up reply actions  

In all seriousness

it’s not true that Rocco Baldelli is injury prone. He just is sick. There IS a difference. Sure, he can’t start…but no one’s asking him to.

John Olerud, Hall of Famer. Got a nice ring to it.

by squid92 on Jan 23, 2010 7:10 AM EST up reply actions  

and I still think theres the possibility he may be able to start now that they have his condition under control

but its going to take some conditioning to get him there since he hasn’t had the chance to play full time ever due to his illness.

by KeithsMoustache on Jan 23, 2010 12:33 PM EST up reply actions  

We only need him healthy for 2 months

After that he can go back to being a backup.

by Brittannia on Jan 23, 2010 7:13 AM EST up reply actions  

We don't know that though

What if there’s another injury and we do need Baldelli full time? I know his newer diagnosis is supposed to be more hopeful, but it’s hard not to be skeptical given that he hasn’t yet shown that he can play everyday, and I don’t like the idea of signing a guy who may well not be able to handle a full time role if necessary. It’s kind of a waste of a roster spot. If we could guarantee that he wouldn’t be needed for 140 games, then sure, but we can’t do that.

by Joamiq on Jan 23, 2010 4:41 PM EST up reply actions  

You can never reasonably expect 140 productive games out of your 5th OFer, though.

If you could he’d be a starter. I don’t mind going with a guy like Baldelli who may not be able to take the field every day, but at least is productive when he’s out there. Besides, if Pagan is out for a while, we’re in fairly serious trouble as it is, what with having to send 5th and 6th OFers into our lineups. At least when Rocco plays that’s a decent outfield.

by SeanSchirmer on Jan 24, 2010 1:05 AM EST up reply actions  

because of $$$

being the Angels are taking on most of the contract, I feel the trade was god. It sucks losing Stokes but later in the year if Beltran is healthy we have trade bait in Pagan or GMJ

by Rickfansince76 on Jan 23, 2010 8:14 AM EST reply actions  

no one, no one will take GMJ

other than Omar Minaya.
Maybe Dayton Moore. Possibly Brian Sabean. But no one else

"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"

by firejerrynow on Jan 23, 2010 9:22 AM EST up reply actions  

I voted other

because we could have always gone after Preston Wilson.

you know what I'm sayin' ?

by fxcarden on Jan 23, 2010 9:38 AM EST reply actions  

Yeah he really tore it up with the Ducks last year

Although he would have been an improvement to some of the people the Mets were running out there.

If there's ever a riot at Citi Field and Oliver Perez was the starter, I started the riot.

by meigs1414 on Jan 25, 2010 12:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Not that GMJ

is any good, but i doubt stokes would have been on the team next year with all the RP we signed in the off season. To me its trading one piece that we had no room for for a piece that at least has some roll on the team until Beltran gets back and then we can release him. I also doubt we still have GMJ in June.

by Delgado on Jan 23, 2010 12:33 PM EST reply actions  

Then why not sign Brynes, or Endy to a minor league deal or any middling of option

that’s still better than GMJ? Plus it’s not like we have an abundance of pitching depth at this point, even if Stokes didn’t stick in the bullpen he was still an option for spot starting. And considering we have Ollie and Maine and a rookie coming off a season ending injury slotted into 3/5ths of the rotation I imagine we’re going to need a lot of spot starting.

"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'

it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.

by Gina on Jan 23, 2010 12:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Also considering Pagans injury history

what makes you think we’ll have enough depth to release GMJ?

"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'

it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.

by Gina on Jan 23, 2010 12:36 PM EST up reply actions  

I guess its hope for F-Mart

to be ready to play. Byrnes or Baldelli would def be better options but losing stokes is not that bad. As far as starters I think we do have depth in the bullpen and mediocre starters. There is Figgy Misch Nieve Dickey Parnell. We signed Ryoto Escobar and the guy from the A’s. I don’t know why the Mets picked GMJ over all the other options, but all the jump out the window commentary is overkill.

by Delgado on Jan 23, 2010 12:57 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think anyone is jumping out the window because of Stokes

it’s because the fact with so many options available they picked GMjr shows that there has been zero improvement in their player evaluation abilities and they’re still using a terrible process which means they’re likely going to continue to get the bigger deals wrong as well. At best you get no production from GMjr.

"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'

it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.

by Gina on Jan 23, 2010 12:59 PM EST up reply actions  

To paraphrase, if I may:

Everyone is pissed off because it shows the front office still has their heads up their butts.

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jan 23, 2010 1:01 PM EST up reply actions  

That's it exactly, that and the fact that Beltran missing 25-30 games

(even though it’s now looking like more than that) was entirely predictable. Where was the search for the 5th OFer months ago? Why wait until the last minute? And even then acer comes up with 10 guys who are as good or better than Matthews, presumably on pretty short notice.

by SeanSchirmer on Jan 24, 2010 2:16 AM EST up reply actions  

and

even the people at metsblog don’t like this trade, which means there’s no excuse for people who get paid to make baseball decisions to make it. You don’t even have to give a rats ass about stats to know GMjr isn’t good at baseball related activities anymore.

"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'

it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.

by Gina on Jan 24, 2010 2:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Also like Cerrone said

they still seem to have no definite plan, and despite knowing Beltran was a 30 year old outfielder with bad knees, and his back up hasn’t been particularly durable, less than a month from pitchers and catchers they’re having to trade for a fourth outfielder, despite this off-season being a complete buyers market and having 20 million to spend, 40 million if they spend up to the lt. And we still have no bench depth and we’re one misstep by Jose and a lingering injury from Pagan from an up the middle defense of Alex Cora, Luis Castillo and GMjr.

"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'

it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.

by Gina on Jan 23, 2010 1:02 PM EST up reply actions  

God
Jose and a lingering injury from Pagan from an up the middle defense of Alex Cora, Luis Castillo and GMjr.

If that happens I would cry. I can’t go through another season of that.

by Delgado on Jan 23, 2010 1:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Is Rocco really plus defensively in CF?

He hasn’t played much in the field the last 3 years, and the little he has played he’s been about average in CF and and a little below average in the corners.

by EtSuKe on Jan 23, 2010 2:03 PM EST reply actions  

sample size makes it tough to gauge

but its not as if GMJr is even a decent CF, so if baldelli can put up decent UZRs in limited playing time then he gets my vote.

by KeithsMoustache on Jan 23, 2010 2:17 PM EST up reply actions  

lol yeah

GMjr is like officially our teams new replacement level.

"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'

it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.

by Gina on Jan 23, 2010 2:19 PM EST up reply actions  

at this point he's the fourth outfielder until Beltran comes back

and Pagan has had durability issues. Do you mean he shouldn’t ever see the field because he’s that bad, or because you don’t expect him too.

"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'

it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.

by Gina on Jan 23, 2010 2:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Fangraphs has him at a 0.8 UZR last season.

That’s an increase of .01 from 2007, last time he played there. That’s only five games, and is by no means a very accurate sample size.

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jan 23, 2010 2:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Damon,

because it’s not my money and because he’s likely to generate the most wins, though Stokes for GMJ is a tempter.

Didn’t Fiorentino sign with the Hiroshima Carp?

A guy like Gabe Gross makes much more sense than Matthews. He has about the same downside as GMJ, but a much better upside if he can rebound to pre-2009 levels.

Baldelli’s a nice flyer.

by SeanSchirmer on Jan 24, 2010 12:38 AM EST reply actions  

Yup

I guess I missed that. 40 million yen, plus 10 million yen bonus. That actually works out to better than MLB minimum. Around 500k. It looks like they signed Huber at the same time. I guess most of the top minor league FA are signed by now, as well as most of the major leaguers.

by acerimusdux on Jan 24, 2010 1:58 AM EST up reply actions  

He struggled in 2009, to the tune of a 79 OPS+.

That’s Matthews territory. Gross will be 30. He was very good in 2006, all right in 2007 and 2008, and not very good in 2009. It’s not at all impossible that he’s done. A lot of non star players (particularly with his downward trajectory) are done at 30. I’d much rather have him than GMJ, though, because his fielding is still all right even if their bats are similar.

by SeanSchirmer on Jan 27, 2010 2:08 AM EST up reply actions  

I'd have gone with any of them other than Baldelli.

He’s got some nice upside, but his condition scares me. He doesn’t seem like a safe bet to play many games if we need him too, so I’d rather see someone safer backing up a guy with bad knees.

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by Stephen Schmidt on Jan 24, 2010 3:52 PM EST reply actions  

That's the thing, though; We really don't need him to play many games. He does only if Beltran, or maybe Bay or Pagan/Francoeur go down for a prolonged period of time.

If the first two go down for prolonged periods of time, we’re screwed anyway, so…

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jan 24, 2010 3:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Marcus Thames

he can play 1b and is corner OF depth. Plus a good bat off the bench. Would prefer him over Tatis for that bench spot.

by Carter8 on Jan 30, 2010 12:39 AM EST reply actions  

So would I

as long it was for the Tatis spot. Winn would have been nice for $2M, but it would have been $3.5M for us. I like Baldelli, but another RH hitter?

Lead, follow, or get out of the way

by myrick4gm on Jan 30, 2010 4:14 AM EST up reply actions  

he's just about league average

and is a black hole defensively. Tatis is not bad defensively, and can also play second, and short in a pinch and third to spot Wright.

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by firejerrynow on Jan 30, 2010 7:19 AM EST up reply actions  

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