The Problem(s) With Ryan Garko
Based on blog posts, comment sections and Twitter exchanges regarding free agent hitter Ryan Garko, here is how I would generalize a conversation between a pro-Garko and an anti-Garko Mets fan:
Pro: Ryan Garko! Platoon with Murphy! .887 OPS vs. lefties!
Anti: He's one dimensional. Or even 1/2 dimensional. Can't hit acceptably vs. righties for a first baseman, as you seem to know.
Pro: .887 OPS vs. lefties.
Anti: His first base defense isn't good.
Pro: .887
Anti: He's a terrible athlete and baserunner. Embarrassing anywhere except first base. Hitting well vs. lefties is his only discernible skill.
Pro: .......
Anti: Yes?
Pro: What's OPS?
The snark might be excessive in this little dialogue but it is an appropriate response given the amount of love Garko has been receiving from Met fans. The negatives to a Garko signing outweigh the lone positive.
For whatever reason, the Mets don't appear to view Daniel Murphy as anything but a first baseman. Murph's value would be enhanced if he could accrue some experience in the outfield or (God forbid) at second base. However, the Mets' brainstorm seems to think a guy with a minor league OPS of .796 should only spend time at first base. Whatever, that's a topic for another day. A Garko signing would give the Mets two players projected to play just one non-premium position. The 29 year-old Garko has barely played any outfield in his career and in that limited sample was poor. His Speed Scores are among the worst in the game and all scouting reports portray him as unathletic, so putting him in the outfield is out of the question. He's not a good fielder at first base, and is projected at something like -3 per 150 games, a glorified DH.
This lack of versatility is the main reason he doesn't fit. "Versatility" might sound like a meaningless buzz word overhead at a corporate pep rally ("synergy", "client centricity", "targeted workforce reduction"), but it is important with this Mets team. Three of the five bench spots are filled, by Alex Cora, Angel Pagan/GMJ and yet-to-be-named backup catcher. Signing Garko would provide the slightest of upgrades at first base while ignoring the need for a competent reserve outfielder and someone to backup David Wright at third base. At this point, the Mets would be better off letting Murphy play everyday (gasp) and turning their attention to improving second base and the outfield. What they don't need is a lead-footed DH who specializes in crushing the type of pitcher who the Mets can expect to face roughly 25%-30% of the time next season.
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Is it just me or does he look like he's about to cry in that picture?
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by Evan_S on Jan 25, 2010 6:02 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
maybe he's facing a right hander
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by firejerrynow on Jan 25, 2010 6:48 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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by LeiterMilnerFasterStronger on Jan 25, 2010 11:15 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He knows the Mets signing him is imminent, and he's afraid for his safety.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jan 25, 2010 2:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
great points.
I can never understand the lack of attention the bench spots get. This last spot (or two since GMJ’s spot should have been allotted to someone else like Gabe Gross for example), should go to someone who has a good stick and preferably to someone with LHed power and as mentioned if that guy could backup at the IF corners, even better. That leads me to a guy I heard mentioned about a week ago – Chad Tracy…. plenty of experience at 1B and 3B and LHed power…. a guy you’d even be ok handing the reins to at 1B should Murphy completely implode. and I’m pretty sure that Tracy has even played a little RF.
The other guy that comes to mind if Ronnie Belliard… though not a LHed hitter, he can play a few positions (none well unfortunately) but you’d be more than fine with him stealing PT from Castillo or playing 1B against some tough lefties…
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Jan 25, 2010 10:11 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I'm for Garko for several reasons.
The bench currently has Matthews, Cora, and a backup catcher (take your pick). Pagan will likely be relegated there when Beltran returns, but in the meantime I’d guess Nick Evans or Chris Carter have a real shot at that spot (before we start passing out minor league deals). That leaves one bench spot open.
I don’t really believe outfield cover is all that important at this point. Pagan and Matthews can both cover all three outfield positions, and guys like Evans, Carter, and Martinez will all be available in Buffalo for a call-up if needed. Garko could be used there in a pinch while someone is on their way up from AAA, but I don’t think anyone would expect him to cover the position long term.
Middle infield is probably covered at this point. Cora can back up both spots, and if a middle infielder goes down I think the Mets would be forced to bring someone up to cover the spot. It really doesn’t make alot of sense to carry two guys on the bench who’s primary role is a backup middle infielder just due to their limited use as a pinch hitter. I guess my opinion on that would change if one of those backups was Castillo, but that’s pretty unlikely.
That realistically leaves some cover needed for 1st and 3rd. Wright doesn’t get many days off, and If he goes to the dl I think calling up a 3rd baseman would be necessary. Cora has some limited experience there, and Murph has played there quite a bit in the minors. 1st base with Murphy is likely a place where a bench piece would see some regular action, so I feel like getting a guy who compliments Murph well is what we should be looking for in that bench spot. That leaves two real good fits in my opinion…Fernando Tatis and Ryan Garko.
Tatis has the versatility to cover 3rd for a dl trip if we need it, while Garko is younger and just entering his arbitration phase. Both are likely to sign a 1 year deal, but I like that Garko would still be under team control going forward. His ability to mash lefties has shown in the past to have value on the trade market, as the Giants traded a top ten prospect for him just last july. His ability to mash lefties could also have an impact off the bench in every single game this season, which is something that we don’t have on the bench at this point.
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by Schmidtxc on Jan 25, 2010 12:29 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
The Giants have been known
to sacrifice prospects for meager major league talent, so it’s really not worth reading that much into what the Giants traded for Garko. it was in fact a mid-season, “we need someone to play 1B now,” heat of the moment type deal.
Ryan struggled immensely coming to the NL and playing the majority of his games in pitchers parks in the NL west. Not exactly great indicators of what a season in a Mets uniform would do for him.
by MetsMaster on Jan 25, 2010 1:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Thats a pretty small sample size to reach a conclusion on.
It’s more or less the same argument as expecting Francoeur to be a league average bat because of half a season in NY while ignoring his previous body of work.
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by Schmidtxc on Jan 25, 2010 1:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
while ignoring the need for a competent reserve outfielder
isn’t it probably safe to say, regardless of whether we agree, that they think GMjr fills that need.
Also I think my biggest problem with Garko is I really don’t see him as an upgrade over what Nick Evans could probably provide.
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by Gina on Jan 25, 2010 1:46 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
based on what
Garko did in the NL west last year, Evans is probably the better bet.
by MetsMaster on Jan 25, 2010 1:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
I’d just prefer 5 guys capable of playing the OF on the roster.
by James Kannengieser on Jan 25, 2010 1:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
the need for a LHed power bat far exceeds the need for a platoonmate for Murphy.
Tracy is a pretty darn good fit for what we need… unless he lands a starting gig somewhere… I guess it’s still possible the Tribe, A’s, Nats or Bucs add a 1Bman…
all that said, the odds on fave has to be Tatis again…
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Jan 25, 2010 2:10 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Is Tracy really a power bat?
I know he hit a bunch of homeruns like 4 years ago but at this point that seems more like an aberration than anything. His power numbers since then haven’t been particularly impressive.
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by Gina on Jan 25, 2010 2:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
for what you're going to get from a backup role player, Tracy has power potential, yes.
he’s also had a variety of injuries the past couple of years but just turns 30 this year. It would be refreshing if Omar added someone still looking up at 30.
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Jan 25, 2010 2:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
problem is other teams are showing interest in Tatis
and I wouldn’t be surprised to see him go elsewhere before the FO gets their heads out of their butts and tries to re-sign him.
by KeithsMoustache on Jan 25, 2010 2:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
no loss of sleep there...
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Jan 25, 2010 2:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
he was a useful backup
i’d have put more emphasis on re-signing him than Cora, or on getting Gary Matthews Jr. for sure.
by KeithsMoustache on Jan 25, 2010 2:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Will you lose sleep
if we don’t sign someone like Tracy or Garko to replace him and instead Chris Carter is our reserve corner infielder/5th outfielder?
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
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by Gina on Jan 25, 2010 2:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Nick Evans cries in the corner some more.
Not that he’d be the best fit for a platoon partner with Murphy, but simply because no one in management even cares about him.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jan 25, 2010 2:19 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I'd almost like to see him start in AAA rather than be limited to a platoon role.
I’d like to see him continue to get AB’s against righties to see if he can improve some, and keep him as cheap organizational depth.
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by Schmidtxc on Jan 25, 2010 2:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ditto Carter. The team figures to be defensively challenged enough without also handing
a role to Carter. He should be able to provide depth at AAA and be one of the first calls when injuries strike.
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Jan 25, 2010 2:47 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
the only impediment to Tracy should be if someone is speaking to him as
a possible regular 1Bman…
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Jan 25, 2010 3:01 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
also we would have to be going after him
what do you think the odds of that happening are?
by KeithsMoustache on Jan 25, 2010 5:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
prob somewhere between slim and none...
heck, if Adam Rubin is correct and they will add a RHed bat, I’d prefer it to be Belliard, who can play a few positions at least, rather than Garko who along with Murphy is pretty much just a 1Bman…
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Jan 25, 2010 5:38 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
delgado is a cripple plus i like garko ..
look delgado is done he will be lucky to be a d.h. garko is the way to go plus if they dont get him they will have fernando tatis which would be a last resort in my opinion ..
by lohaus#54 on Jan 25, 2010 6:53 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
That would be easier to see happening if he hadn't already signed with the Yankees.
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by Schmidtxc on Jan 25, 2010 8:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think he meant Nick Evans, but got confused, just like Omar/Jerry.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jan 25, 2010 11:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Nick Who?
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by Schmidtxc on Jan 26, 2010 12:08 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think he's a bat boy
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by firejerrynow on Jan 26, 2010 6:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No more tatis… For some reason Manuel refused to play anybody but him and he was terrible last season… It’s time we see what we have… Let Murph play EVERYDAY if he fails he fails… but atleast he got a fair shot instead of pluggin him in once a week then sitting him because he was 0-3… Manuel said he would play consistently when he started hitting consistently, well how is it possible to hit consistently when you don’t consistently get at bats… Pinch hitting is not an easy job.
Another thing, with Manuel’s out right refusal to play Murphy against lefties, or for that matter play any lefty hitters against lefty pitching, we were constantly shuffling the lineup, let him get his at bats and learn to hit MLB lefthanders… The same thing happened to thole at the end of the season… They ended up splitting his time so he wouldn’t see action against lefty pitchers where he had success against lefties in the minors, yes not as much success as he had against righties, but his numbers weren’t dismal.
I think Manuel is a bigger problem than the players… He needs to go… He shuffles the lineup too much… yes we had injuries, but your starters have to play everyday, I recall him sitting our starters against the Marlins in the rubber game of the series, we lost because Josh Johnson completely dominated our back up players, it was early in the season as well, so they shouldn’t have needed a rest.
by Tophubufu on Jan 26, 2010 1:40 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Tatis was worth 1.5 WAR in limited playing time at multiple positions
while he wasn’t ideal he certainly wasn’t even remotely terrible. I agree i’d rather see Murph as the regular, but Tatis makes an excellent utility infield/outfielder. Otherwise I generally agree with what you’re saying. Jerry’s player management was awful last year, although when you have no choice but to be regularly playing guys like Angel Berroa, Alex Cora, Agenis Reyes, Corey Sullivan, Jeremy Reed, etc… the problem isn’t just the personnel management, its the personnel itself also.
by KeithsMoustache on Jan 26, 2010 2:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I can understand, and agree with the point that Jerry played too many "older"/we're releasing them players towards the end of the season, instead of letting some younger guys get some time in.
Tatis playing over, say, that Evan Nicholas guy.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jan 26, 2010 9:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't get saying Murphy wasn't playing consistently
He played 155 games and had 556 plate appearances
by James Kannengieser on Jan 26, 2010 2:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
fwiw Garko just signed for 550k.
That’s a great deal for the Mariners. Garko is better defensively than Carter, as good against lefties as Nick Evans is likely to be, and doesn’t embarrass himself against RHP. At that price he would have been a perfect pickup for the Mets.
by SeanSchirmer on Feb 2, 2010 8:10 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

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