Randy Winn Signs With Yankees
by James Kannengieser on Jan 27, 2010 4:25 PM EST
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PrintJoel Sherman reports that it's for 1 year, $2 million. Winn struggled at the plate in 2009 but was strong defensively, as he has been his entire career. He is (was) a better option than GMJ, especially at that price. Another smart move by Brian Cashman.
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The worst part
is 10000000 yankee fans are probably bitching about not signing Nady or Damon.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
led by their leader, Fatcessa
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
by firejerrynow on Jan 27, 2010 5:30 PM EST up reply actions
Fatcessa actually likes this move
He also likes double fisting Big Macs
"Wait till Biggus Dickus hears about this!"
by scott from peekskill on Jan 27, 2010 6:21 PM EST up reply actions
As a Yanks fan, it frustrates me to no end to
hear the bitching, especially over at Pinstripe Ally which is filled with those types of fans.
I am OK with GMJ
Winn is a lot older, at least I think I am not looking at their bios right now. I think GMJ with the Anngels paying most of the salary is a decent move
They're the same age
And Winn is actually good at baseball related activities.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
Yes but WIN is actually in Randy's name.
That must mean something.
by Lunkwill Fook on Jan 27, 2010 4:43 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I think it means there's no WIN
in Gary MattheWs, juNIor. Oh, wait, there is.
Hate when that happens.
by SeanSchirmer on Jan 27, 2010 6:26 PM EST up reply actions
If you pronounce that phonetically, it sounds like "Weenie".
Heh. Fitting.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jan 27, 2010 6:29 PM EST up reply actions
winn can actually play defense...and has a shot to be decent with the bat
by Mike Clemente on Jan 27, 2010 4:43 PM EST up reply actions
GMJ has a shot to be decent with the bat, too
In fact, I would argue it’s more likely Matthews puts up a better offensive season than Winn, based on the leagues they are playing in and their skill sets. But we KNOW Matthews is garbage defensively, and that is supposed to be his greatest asset. So, he sucks.
"F***ing shocker." -Billy Wagner
Yeah that's the problem
he could put up a better season with the bat, and still be no where near as valuable.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
it's my understanding that winn
has only had two down seasons with the bat, and is one season removed from a really good offensive season. Am I wrong about that?
by Mike Clemente on Jan 27, 2010 5:17 PM EST up reply actions
Alex Cora
1 year, $2 million — signed 11/30/09
With 2011 vesting option
by James Kannengieser on Jan 27, 2010 4:49 PM EST reply actions
oh, it hurts.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
im immune at this point
doesn’t even phase me.
by KeithsMoustache on Jan 27, 2010 5:07 PM EST up reply actions
Does it faze you?
You don't cheer for the Mets. You drink for the Mets.
damn
I’m usually good with proper spelling.
by KeithsMoustache on Jan 27, 2010 10:57 PM EST up reply actions
You were transitioning from one phase to another, from being fazed to being unfazed.
Makes sense
"Wait till Biggus Dickus hears about this!"
by scott from peekskill on Jan 28, 2010 12:40 AM EST up reply actions
yes..
that’s exactly what I was going for. I’m glad somebody around here understands!
by KeithsMoustache on Jan 28, 2010 10:35 AM EST up reply actions
WHOAHH
Same old Sh*t
----Warner----
-------13-------
by Scent of a Woman on Jan 27, 2010 5:06 PM EST reply actions
Maybe if the Yankees win 140 games
and they and the phillies meet again in the play-offs the backpages will attack the wilpons so aggressively they’ll be forced to make a major change?
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
yup they'd fire whoever the GM was at the time
and replace him with an identical, equally inept GM
by KeithsMoustache on Jan 27, 2010 5:13 PM EST up reply actions
Omar needs to counter by signing Preston Wilson to a $4 million dollar contract! Stat!
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jan 27, 2010 5:12 PM EST reply actions
Jim Edmonds?
"F***ing shocker." -Billy Wagner
To be fair, he'd not have signed with the Mets for $2MM
With the Yankees, he gets a very good chance to start for a playoff bound team.
With the Mets, he gets a very good chance to ride the pine for a 70-win team.
More free time, and less responsibility!?
Where do I sign up?
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jan 27, 2010 5:27 PM EST up reply actions
Not sure who said this to me
But someone pointed out that if your job paid you multi-million dollars a year, you’d probably retire after a year or two, unless your job was awesome. Don’t get me wrong, I like my job (a lot, in fact), but if they paid me as much as Winn got from SF the last two years (roughly $18MM), I’d not be here for year three.
So I think it’s fair to say that MLB players aren’t looking for more free time and/or less responsibility. They’re probably willing to give up a few million bucks to be the starting left fielder of a World Series winning team. Heck, I would.
Some, definitely
Players who get advice from a Scott Boras-esque are looking to max out the dollars.
"I've been trying transcendental meditation, and that helps me be passive and wait on the curve. I've got to find something else to hit the slider." - George (The Stork) Theodore
Classic Income Effect versus Substitution Effect example
here. Say the boss gives you a 20% raise. Do you work more to reap the additional monetary benefit, or work less and earn the same income while playing more?
You don't know that for sure
He’s still a good signing at $3 million. And given uncertainty with Francoeur maybe he would be starting by May.
by James Kannengieser on Jan 27, 2010 5:35 PM EST up reply actions
Of course I don't
But I’m probably right. And all those $1MM add up.
(And, for whatever it is worth, I had him making $7MM on my AAOP team. Crikey.)
The Mets are going to give Francoeur more than May
he’s got to suck until the ASB for him to benched
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
by firejerrynow on Jan 27, 2010 6:35 PM EST up reply actions
Plus it will depend how he sucks
if he has like a .300 obp but is hitting like .270 with a decent number of homers and rbis do we really think they’ll bench him?
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
I presume that to be a rhetorical question
"I've been trying transcendental meditation, and that helps me be passive and wait on the curve. I've got to find something else to hit the slider." - George (The Stork) Theodore
Winn has been atrocious in CF for the last three years
according to UZR on fangraphs. SSS applies (450 innings), and his UZRs in LF and RF are still very good, so I’m not sure what the problem is…
That's he's still not worse
then GMjr
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
Lmao one of my friends is a yankees fans and posted this on his facebook
From Scott Boras: "The Yankees never even made an offer to me regarding Johnny Damon during the entire process." From Brian Cashman: "On Dec. 17, Scott’s exact words were that he would not take a penny less than $13 million a year for two years. We believed him.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
Boras out Bora$$ed himself.
"Wait till Biggus Dickus hears about this!"
by scott from peekskill on Jan 28, 2010 12:41 AM EST up reply actions
I did some math for one of those aforementioned "bitching Yankee fans"
Johnny Damon’s WAR value in 2010 is being projected to be 3.2. Brett Gardner is being projected to accrue a total WAR value of 2.1. Randy Winn is being projected to accrue a total WAR value of 0.8. Add the two up, and that’s 2.9, which is three tenths less than Damons. The kicker is the difference in price. For Damon’s 3.2 total WAR, the Yankees would have to pay $13 million, or whatever Damon’s last asking price was, in that range. For a combination of Gardner and Winn, they’re paying $500,000 for Gardner and $2 million for Winn. That’s basically $10 million dollars less for roughly the same amount of total offensive and defensive capabilities. I know I for one don’t see .3 WAR as being worth $10 million dollars.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jan 28, 2010 3:04 PM EST reply actions
Plus Vazquez's salary will likely replace Damons won't it?
I’m not sure how much else they spent overall but my understanding is overall they’re moves have been payroll neutral, between increases in cost of some players already under contract and adding Vazquez and Grandersons salary. So it’s not even like they’re losing 3/10ths and just saying 10 million they’ve added a crapload of value to the team without increasing it’s cost.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
Crap, and I had a nice long response with numbers and stuff that I accidentally cancelled instead of posted.
Long and the short of it is, for an extra million that they get with Vazquez, Gardner and Winn that Damon would have himself cost, they’re getting 7.7 WAR out of $14 million, instead of 3.2 WAR out of $13 million, with Damon.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jan 28, 2010 4:49 PM EST up reply actions
not that I disagree
But Damon’s likely to sign for far less now than Boras allegedly demanded up front. Fangraphs had a piece recently on how he seems to be pretty severely undervalued at this point — I’m actually starting to think a smart Mets front office (I know, oxymoron) would make a run at him.
It would be nice
but between paying Frenchy 5 million and the trade for GMjr I doubt bringing in another outfielder for more than like the league minimum isn’t even in their thoughts.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
Maybe Omar
could say he was “just kidding” about the GMJ trade. I’m pretty sure the Angels didn’t call “no backsies”.
You don't cheer for the Mets. You drink for the Mets.
Matthews should be pretty immaterial to this decision
If you can give Damon ABs that would otherwise go to Francoeur, and maybe make him an occasional part of the 1B and CF platoons as well, his bat is worth significantly more than he’s likely to be paid at this point. I agree that this is unlikely to happen with the current Mets front office — but, considering that the available free-agent pitchers are not much better than those already on the team, it might actually be argued that Damon is the single most cost-effective way of adding wins still available at this point in the offseason.
It should be immaterial
but we’re talking about the Mets, after spending 5 million on Frenchy do you think they’ll spend similar money on Damon and bench Frenchy? Plus the fact they brought in GMjr and resigned Tatis just makes it unlikely they’ll bring in another outfield bench player.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
as I said, I don't think they'll do it
But there’s a case to be made that they ought to.
I agree they should
My point is more than what’s being paid to Frenchy and bringing in GMjr can’t be considered immaterial when considering what they’ll likely do.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
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