Mets close to re-signing Tatis
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Syler
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I agree
but at the same thing when things are dire enough that we’re getting excited about Tatis being resigned, it’s kind of a bad sign.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
It's like finding a silver speck in a massive cloud of fail
When everything else around you is going horribly, anything decent will become amplified to you (well at least to me)
In related news,
Chan Ho Park is still available.
The causative relationship is that talent (plus luck) leads to wins. And that talent (plus service time) leads to payrolls.
It'll work even better if we relegate him to the bullpen.
The 2010 New York Mets: Maybe it's the Phillies' turn to have 95% of its roster on the DL
The 2009 New England Patriots: At least we got our division title back
Nicklas Bergfors for the Calder Trophy!
He's gotten better physically since then
He pitched well for the Phillies last year out of the BP.
"Never throw a slider to The Glider."
- Ed Charles, No. 5
If he gets signed to a typical Omar deal, he'll be able to built TWO churches.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jan 27, 2010 11:41 PM EST up reply actions
I like this
It also has the added benefit of getting people in the media all worked up for no reason
I'd rather have him than not have him, I guess.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jan 27, 2010 6:10 PM EST reply actions
its a good move
but unfortunately they’ve forgotten to take the other dozen steps they should have this offseason.
by KeithsMoustache on Jan 27, 2010 6:13 PM EST reply actions
Double play machine
Look, I loved Tatty from the year before. But last season, he was non-existent when we need him to step up. Yes, he stats look ok but that was only because they got padded after it was clear that the season was all but over.
"Never throw a slider to The Glider."
- Ed Charles, No. 5
He basically only had two bad months
May and June, every other month he opsed over .800.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
C'mon, be honest
… you were cursing him out just like the rest of us here when – time after time – in clutch situations, Tatis took us out of games by hitting into double plays. Be honest.
"Never throw a slider to The Glider."
- Ed Charles, No. 5
I doubt it
I paid very little attention to baseball after May. I was going through semi baseball related drama.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
I rest my point.
Trust me, if you had seen what I saw, you’d be agreeing with me.
: )
"Never throw a slider to The Glider."
- Ed Charles, No. 5
No I wouldn't
I saw Ollie pitch to a 3.27 ERA in 2007 and still wanted no part of bringing him back. And I saw Omir hit a walk-off homer and still wanted no part of him being the starting catcher or Castro being traded.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
I watched all season
The double plays were brutal, but I wouldn’t say Tatis didn’t play well. He caught a stretch of awful bad luck, but he put up great numbers over the course of the year, plays multiple positions, and gives us a little extra security on a team that can use all the versatile bench pieces it can get.
by KeithsMoustache on Jan 27, 2010 11:01 PM EST up reply actions
agree 100%
Let the Double Plays begin. Love the rally killer.
Time for angry Mets fans to call WFAN
I give the over/under at 20 minutes
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
I'm ready for a paper bag over head with the words inscribed ....
“Fire the Wilpons!”
Do you think I’ll be able to get by security?
"Never throw a slider to The Glider."
- Ed Charles, No. 5
Bring the bag and marker
and write on the bag after you get in. Also, purchase these binoculars.
The causative relationship is that talent (plus luck) leads to wins. And that talent (plus service time) leads to payrolls.
How you gonna sneak the liquor in?
The 2010 New York Mets: Maybe it's the Phillies' turn to have 95% of its roster on the DL
The 2009 New England Patriots: At least we got our division title back
Nicklas Bergfors for the Calder Trophy!
Please
Childs play,
"Never throw a slider to The Glider."
- Ed Charles, No. 5
Good luck.
Maybe I had the misfortune of having my stuff checked by the one security guard that cared, but they caught me sneaking in a can of Arizona iced tea that I had skillfully hidden in my book bag. Shit pissed me off, because I had to chug the entire thing there on the spot (I’m Jewish, so there’s no way in hell I’m letting that $.99 go to waste!), and then I had to pee from like the sixth inning on until I got home like two hours later.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jan 27, 2010 11:44 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
getting liquor in is ridiculously easy
three words… belt buckle flask. Looks like a belt buckle, has a hollow chamber.
by KeithsMoustache on Jan 27, 2010 11:50 PM EST up reply actions
airplane bottles
plus a $6 coke and you’re good to go
watch out, the upper deck stairs get much steeper if you follow this plan of action
I rec'd it because of the Jewish comment
Your fellow Jew understands. Good work.
"F***ing shocker." -Billy Wagner
Another rec
from another MOT
"I've been trying transcendental meditation, and that helps me be passive and wait on the curve. I've got to find something else to hit the slider." - George (The Stork) Theodore
Horray for perpetuating stereotypes (that are somewhat true)!
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jan 28, 2010 12:02 AM EST up reply actions
All stereotypes are true
Now, I’m not a psychic, I’m merely a racist, who believes that stereotypes dictate our futures. Sometimes, I’ll even speak in a phony Jamaican accent.
"Three home teams advance, and the fuckin' Jets" - Rex Ryan
LMAO
"Never throw a slider to The Glider."
- Ed Charles, No. 5
I don't like this move
Tatis’s numbers are skewed immensely by his August and September numbers, when he absolutely tore it up playing meaningless baseball. We caught lightning in a bottle in 2008, he was a GIDP machine in 2009, and now he’s back once again to kill rallies and play bad defense. I like him as a person and he’s fun to root for, but his defense is miserable and he is as streaky as they come with the bat. Pass.
"F***ing shocker." -Billy Wagner
That's just wrong though
First off, he was 3 runs above average defensively last year.
2nd, as someone has already pointed, 9 of his DPs came from the end of May until the end of June, and he only hit two in the final two months.
3rd, so what if he had numbers during meaningless months? What was he supposed to do, stop trying all together? He still had to hit, and he did
4th, he’s incrediblly versatile in terms of positions he can play.
5th, as great as his 2008 supposedly was, his WAR in was only .1 lower in 2009 (1.6 to 1.5)
Finally, he had an OPS over .800 in 4 of the 6 months so I don’t see how he was “streaky as they come”
It’s not the greatest signing in the world, but it’s a good one.
by Syler on Jan 27, 2010 6:52 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Whats hilarious is that if the rest of the team had been good in August and September
and Tatis hit like that and we stumbled into the play-offs somehow people would be calling him clutch and Omar probably would have made it a priority to resign him, or if he didn’t fans would be freaking out.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
He played so many positions
His UZR could have been decent given the cumulative small sample size. We all know that, while useful, defensive metrics aren’t perfect. His OPS+ was 105 last year, down from 123 in 2008 and his OPS was still .777 even with your “4 out of 6 months,” which means it was the fluky fielding numbers that brought his WAR up.
"F***ing shocker." -Billy Wagner
FWIW
Another defensive evaluation system, Plus/Minus, put Tatis at +10 on the year. (UZR said +4)
In 2008 UZR said -2 and Plus/Minus said -1. He’s probably not as good as his the defensive numbers this year but I think it’s fair to say he’s somewhere around average defensively, with 1B likely his best defensive position.
by James Kannengieser on Jan 27, 2010 7:11 PM EST up reply actions
Tatis is a good player to have on a winning team.
Three like him on the bench and depth will rarely be a problem. Besides, who else is available?
by SeanSchirmer on Jan 27, 2010 7:17 PM EST up reply actions
Ryan Garko
I don’t get the hate. All they need him to do is play first and hit lefties, and he can definitely do that. You know Jerry is going to ask Tatis to do way too much because he is gangsta and diminish his value. Garko wouldn’t come with that string attached.
And James, the point of my argument is that even if his glove is average (and I don’t think it is), the bat isn’t good enough to justify starting/platooning him.
"F***ing shocker." -Billy Wagner
It's not that there's hate for Garko
it’s that there’s not alot of reasons to think he’s better than Nick Evans could be, considering even with his struggles in the ML level he’s managed to ops. 800 against lefties, and most reports said he’s an above average defender at first.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
Looking at Evans practically
The organization is NEVER going to let him play, so any talk about Garko being redundant is rendered moot by our FO’s stupidity. I happen to like Evans, but if he can’t play, we could at least sign someone who can play like him.
"F***ing shocker." -Billy Wagner
But if they're not going to let Evans play
what makes you think they’re smart enough to value Garko?
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
Garko has been worth less than 1 win each of the last two seasons
The only thing he does well is hit lefties.
And that is all the Mets need him to do
There is no other reason to have Garko on the team, which is why he’s worth a one-year deal at $750K. They will ask too much of Tatis, and that will hurt us in the long run.
"F***ing shocker." -Billy Wagner
It's not much having a completely one dimensional player on your roster though, is it?
I mean Garko plays only an adequate first base, and he’s been absolutely horrendous in the OF in his career
Versatility helps, especially when you have Castillo, GMJ, and Alex Cora on your team
But my point is
Tatis isn’t versatile, and yet the Mets will try to make him appear as such, thus hurting the team.
"F***ing shocker." -Billy Wagner
Can he play them WELL?
And please, I love sabermetrics as much as the next guy, but don’t give me tiny sample sizes of UZR or +/-. Just watch him run to the ball.
"F***ing shocker." -Billy Wagner
Can he play them worse
than the current options the mets are likely to look into?
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
I would take Randy Winn over Tatis any day
I really deep down just do not want to see anyone from the last few years on the team again. The day we sign Delgado will be the day I spend puking in my bathroom for four hours.
"F***ing shocker." -Billy Wagner
I agree I would take Winn
but like I said options the mets are likely to look into.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
I went through the FA market
And you actually have a point here. I’m open minded. But then I realized the best choice would be for the Mets not to have signed anyone at all and saved the cash, since I know you and I are in agreement that this year is a waste of time.
"F***ing shocker." -Billy Wagner
Just from watching I think he's good, honestly
That doesn’t really mean anything, the next person could say he sucked and there’s no way to prove otherwise. Some highlights for Fernando though:
Left Field – his best play of the year
by James Kannengieser on Jan 27, 2010 9:16 PM EST up reply actions
I swear in the Third Base video
the announcer says titties
"Three home teams advance, and the fuckin' Jets" - Rex Ryan
meh
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
by itsmetsforme on Jan 28, 2010 12:38 AM EST up reply actions
Versatility
Means you do a lot of things at least passably well. If he was excellent at fielding all of those positions, he’d be maybe the world’s finest utility man.
by LeiterMilnerFasterStronger on Jan 28, 2010 11:53 PM EST up reply actions
I don't at all understand what point they're trying to get at
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
Well, If we confine ourselves only to moves the FO is smart enought to make
it’s gonna be a real short thread.
by SeanSchirmer on Jan 28, 2010 2:50 AM EST up reply actions
All Garko CAN do
is play first. And rather shittily, too.
Sorry, I misspoke.
All Garko can do is hit lefties, sorta. You can STICK him at first, if you want.
by LeiterMilnerFasterStronger on Jan 28, 2010 1:43 AM EST up reply actions
"from the end of May until the end of June"
also known as… June?
A "Zeile" for avoiding outs
by metsguy234 on Jan 27, 2010 8:24 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
this made me rofl
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
LMAO
"Never throw a slider to The Glider."
- Ed Charles, No. 5
Yes, I suppose
I just remembered someone posting something about two specific dates in May and June in which he hit into 9 DPs, and I couldn’t remember the dates so, I said between the end of May until near the end of June
That was me
May 31 to June 24, so, yeah.
"Three home teams advance, and the fuckin' Jets" - Rex Ryan
So ...
when it counted, in May and June, he hit into all those double plays and when it didn’t count in August and September he didn’t. A ringing endorsement.
You should be his agent.
"Never throw a slider to The Glider."
- Ed Charles, No. 5
Hard hit ground balls at people = Terrible Unclutchiness!
Hard hit ground balls six feet to the right = two run single, the man’s a hero!
Why base your judgement on the fact that Tatis’s groundballs were very unlucky in their direction?
Travis Hafner is made of gold
It never counted at all for the Mets
last year.
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
by firejerrynow on Jan 28, 2010 6:51 AM EST up reply actions
We were a half game out of first place at the end of June.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jan 28, 2010 1:57 PM EST up reply actions
2009 didn't happen
thats my main point
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
by firejerrynow on Jan 28, 2010 6:09 PM EST up reply actions
In that case
when we were a half game out is when he turned around his bat…so regardless the argument doesn’t clear.
And I realize you weren’t the wrong making the argument I’m just saying.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
2/20 with vesting option for 15m
which vests if Perez walks more than 3bb/9IP this season
by viktor06 on Jan 27, 2010 6:40 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Does that mean
the original offer was one year 10M?
The whole offseason could be salvaged by just signing a defensive 2nd baseman and a compitent pitcher.
I’m not asking too much am I? Hudson and Wang? Too much money? How about a trade then…get us something. Shouldn’t be too much to ask for the GM of arguably the second most valuable franchise in baseball.
"Wait till Biggus Dickus hears about this!"
by scott from peekskill on Jan 27, 2010 7:11 PM EST reply actions
If you mean Lopez and Smoltz, I agree
Although “salvaged” is a little harsh…
"F***ing shocker." -Billy Wagner
Smoltz doesn't really want to play for us
I hear that the Cards have the inside track on Smoltz.
"Never throw a slider to The Glider."
- Ed Charles, No. 5
Amazing, isn't it?
By snagging Pineiro, Zaun, and Hudson or LaRoche, this suddenly becomes a solid team. There’s a lot less pressure to keep someone like Perez if he isn’t performing in the rotation. If a catcher goes down there’s reasonable depth.
Really unbelievable.
by SeanSchirmer on Jan 27, 2010 7:19 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe the Wilpons really are in trouble financially
"Never throw a slider to The Glider."
- Ed Charles, No. 5
But it would probably cost less to sign Hudson and Laroche
than what we’re paying to Cora, Frenchy and Blanco, and what they offered to Molina.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
Hell
they offered 5.5 million to Molina, and are paying Frenchy and Cora about 7 million combined. So that’s 12 million? Randy Winn and Piniero would have only cost 10.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
It's indeed pathetic
We could have immensely improved this team and not have spent a ton of money. Molina, LaRoche, buy-out Louie for a “present value discount,” sign Hudon and a pitcher (Piniero, Marquis, or Garland would have been sufficient), and be done.
But noooooooooooooo, …
"Never throw a slider to The Glider."
- Ed Charles, No. 5
Add in Blanco and the two relievers and you're closing in on $20 million.
That’s Piniero, Zaun, Hudson, LaRoche, and Winn. This wasn’t rocket surgery. What I don’t get is that the Wilpons aren’t completely stupid—even if they got hurt in the financial crisis it’s not like they couldn’t borrow a few million against the Mets for salary. This is a very important year for the franchise. If they put a mediocre team on the field it could damage attendance for years as well as not set them up to compete in 2011.
I suppose what it really comes down to is they simply had no idea what pieces this team needed. It’s sheer ignorance that makes you chase Molina then not give his money to Piniero.
by SeanSchirmer on Jan 28, 2010 3:02 AM EST up reply actions
That's kinda like finding a shining piece of gold amongst a pile of shit.
The 2010 New York Mets: Maybe it's the Phillies' turn to have 95% of its roster on the DL
The 2009 New England Patriots: At least we got our division title back
Nicklas Bergfors for the Calder Trophy!
Omar likes deals like that.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jan 27, 2010 11:47 PM EST up reply actions
Oh God, Cerrone agrees with me
Almost verbatim. Except Cerrone says that Garko is more versatile than Tatis, which made me chuckle a little bit. Should I be worried? Does that mean my assessment of Tatis is wrong?
"F***ing shocker." -Billy Wagner
Well
If you’re referring to this post, it’s not Cerrone, but the boy wonder Michael Baron. Without saying anything else, I will say that I frequently disagree with Mr. Baron. Per Baron:
he [Garko] can probably be had for less money than tatis and he is a more versatile player as he can play first base as well as the outfield which provides the depth which cerrone spoke about earlier
by James Kannengieser on Jan 27, 2010 11:58 PM EST up reply actions
What gives?
I thought his mom, Mrs. Baron, was incapable of having children.
Ahhhhaaaaaaa, just a bad joke. No ill will.
by Pack Bringley on Jan 28, 2010 12:23 AM EST up reply actions
He's so versatile
He’s played all of 76 innings in the outfield while being a terrible first baseman in his 3000+ innings there. You know that post you linked to Cerrone’s personal website where he said it was more about credibility than being a grammatically correct writer, I wonder what is view is on guys who can’t write and get their facts wrong?
"Three home teams advance, and the fuckin' Jets" - Rex Ryan
The Mets can't not have a guy in addition to Cora who can at least fake the MI.
Otherwise you’ll be sending Daniel Murphy out to SS a few times a year, or worse, Garko.
by SeanSchirmer on Jan 28, 2010 3:04 AM EST up reply actions
Lopez
Started out playing a credible, if not great SS.
(And by “credible,” I mean “not entirely embarrassing.”)
by LeiterMilnerFasterStronger on Jan 28, 2010 11:55 PM EST up reply actions
Which makes him like a +10 improvement
over cora… and watch he ends up signing for as much as Cora.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
I was worried
I thought to myself, Cerrone is no AA poster, but he can’t possibly be naive enough to think Garko is capable of playing the outfield. The boy wonder Baron (lol) is much more apt to say something like that, I agree. Sorry for not looking at the name. Thanks James!
"F***ing shocker." -Billy Wagner
best of all...
Tatis is a year older!!
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
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