and some person I don’t like does bad (the actual K-Rod grand slam vs. the nats) made me happy. Perhaps I am a sick and twisted individual though.

Only when they are out of the playoffs for sure and I’m pulling for that protected first round pick on FA signings.

As bad as Omar has been lately, I just don’t trust the Wilpons to hire anyone better. Thus, doesn’t make a whole lot of sense pulling for a clean house when the cockroaches continue to scurry into a corner before they can be removed.

We make fun of the Mets doctors, but it’s not their fault that they have old/injured players, the training staff/manager/front office won’t listen to their recommendations (“just cortisone shot them”), or that the depth/bench is so bad (for the same Cora-GMJ money they could have better players) the drop in production is huge.

Even if everyone was healthy, the problem is the dysfunctional organization that poorly constructs rosters, among other faults.

In my mind, hoping for a 70-win season is like hoping our core players get hurt again. So, that I won’t do. Last year, when he had a lineup of Angel Berroas and we were competing for a higher draft pick, I had no problem if they lost.

“In theory, hoping the Mets lose makes sense — it’s for the greater good.” Sorry, but whenever someone says “it’s for the greater good”, it sounds really suspicious to me.

Omar’s job is already in jeopardy so he might be fired anyway. Since Jeff is calling the shots, it’s as if he was fired already.

I am also an Islanders fan, and I rooted against them last season. Now in hockey it is a little different in that we all knew John Taveras was going to be the #1 pick, and ending up last in points gives you a great shot at getting that pick. Once we got to Feb. last season and it was a given that we were not even close to a playoff team, I wanted us to lose just enough to end in last place.

Now baseball is a little different because you usually do not get an immediate impat from the draft, plus I see alot more late round picks playing at the big league level in baseball than hockey.

I agree I would hate for Wright, Reyes and Santana to have to waste their prime but it may be necessary for the good of the franchise. I would like to see the next GM, praying that Minaya i sgone…try Garth Snow’s plan, and make trades that bring in extra early round picks. lock them up, and hope for a brighter future

I was REALLY hoping that we absolutely TANKED last year, so this change would have occurred NOW.

why would one ever root against what one believes in???? im a Met fan and as all of u guys we have suffered alot, but rooting against our team is just wrong, and losing doesnt make things better, look at the clippers in the NBA or the Lions in the NFL! its not the solution!

… they might be taking the sane course by standing relatively pat, thereby saving their financial resources for next year’s monster FA class. That said, a sub 85-win season will probably cook Omar’s goose.

I’ve been a Mets fan since the early 1980s. I was five or so years old when my parents schlepped me to Shea, so figure 1983. I’m die-hard, as evidenced by the fact that I’m here over 25 (yikes) years later.

However, I don’t really remember the Daryl Boston era. To a large degree 1991-1995 are a Mets blur to me. Part of that is because I was in high school, maybe, but I think a lot of it has to do with how bad the team was. My mom is a life-long Mets fan but she’s very quick to check out when they suck, and my dad could not care less about baseball, so it’s not like anyone was going to the games or even watching them on TV. Looking back at b-ref, I’m honestly shocked — today — to learn that HoJo played a plurality of the CF innings for the 1992 Mets. I have absolutely no recollection of him ever being in the OF.

But it’s not like I became a fan of another team. I explicitly remember wearing my Shea Stadium commemorative Mets cap in high school, and regularly, until someone threw it down a ramp, never to be found. I also remember replacing it with another Mets hat. I remember drafting Robin Ventura on my fantasy team and hoping he’d be a Met. And I hated the Yankees then more than I do now.

I really like a lot of players on this team — Wright and Reyes, most notably — so I think it’d be hard for me to fall aside this year. But it could happen.

And I’m a hypocrite for it, because I firmly believed that all Redskins fans should have been rooting against their team in the second half of the season to ensure that there would be a full front office change, and also to get a better draft pick. But it’s easy to say that from the outside looking in, much harder when you feel passionately about a team. I even rooted for the Mets late last year when the games meant nothing and losing could actually have helped in terms of draft position and potential change. It’s just not in my makeup to root against this team, even if on a rational level I completely understand and even agree with what you’re saying.

because I don’t have the hubris or factual basis to suppose my rooting for them or not makes any difference in the outcome of their performance. If they’re not contending, I might stop watching because personally I don’t want the heartbreak, but effectively it’s all the same.

The small extent to which I can show a vote of no-confidence is to not attend games nor buy Mets merch. If I had season tix (I don’t), I could choose not to renew them. (I could boycott sponsors’ products, but most of them sponsor the opposition, too, so not much logic in that.)

logically I should want them to lose, but I just can’t ever see myself cheering against them. I was still cheering for them at the end of last year, albeit with a bit more vitriol at how meaningless the games were. I’ve been a Mets fan for as long as I’ve watched baseball (about 20 years now) and I’ve seen some pretty awful Mets teams in my day, this is just classic Mets. A few years up, a few years WAY down. It’s a team of extremes and you never know which you’re gonna get. Sure, I’d like to see Omar gone, I’d like to see the Wilpons wake up, I’d like to see Frenchy walk more than 10 times per year, but in reality I’m cheering against all hope that even this misfit team can somehow find a way to win.

And the notion that the Mets will improve because the Wilpons will fire Omar is a theory with little substance behind it. I will not defend Omar but I do want to see him have a clear unobstructed command in the FO. I do not believe he has this from what the media reports. He has no definite budget figure, has to clear every decision with Jeffy, has to work one FA at a time and seems to be a puppet of the Wilpons.

My question is; What GM prospect is going to want to step into the shitpond that is the Wilpons front office? Omar will be replaced by another puppet and the same result is assured. Force the Wilpons to step back and let people who know what they are doing run the Mets.

I think of this “plan” we’ve come up with here as a long term plan. And I hate long term plans. Because most of the time they don’t work, and it’s just been all that time wasted. We could root against them, get Omar fired, and have him replaced with another idiot. Or, we could root for the the Mets, enjoy their great wins or hysterical losses, and accept the fact that as long as the WIlpons are in charge, this is what we’ve got.

And even when they’re sucking as bad as they did last year, I’ll always watch. I mean maybe I haven’t seen enough of this team to get sick of seasons like this yet. But in seasons like last year, when they have those rare really REALLY good wins (i.e. the “OMIRacle”, David’s two homers against the Phillies…that’s it.), you get such a bizarre satisfying feeling. Like, you shouldn’t feel that happy about having a nice win, because other teams are doing it everyday, but you do. And I sort of love that feeling in an unusual and unexplainable way.

And whether they win or lose, make a good deal or bad, the same people will be back here everyday making jokes (myself included) and that’s fine. So to wrap this up, I get what you’re saying in rooting against them, but I don’t see what it will really do except make them that much harder to watch.

P.S. I used paragraphs for my rant this time! Score.

So I might as well not sully myself

But I can secretly be satisfied with failure or frustrated with successes. Like with Frenchy last year: I was very angry about the trade and though while watching him play I would hope for a hit when he was at-bat, I was quietly frustrated by his short-term success as a Met. This isn’t because I wanted to say “I was right! He sucks!” but because I actively believe he sucks and didn’t want the front office to be seduced by a fluky hot streak and re-sign him. C’est la vie, I wish him the best this year.

What I can do is not financially support the team. I haven’t been to Citi yet and made a vow to my best friend that I wouldn’t go until Omar was fired. We’ll see if I keep it up.

And yes I think Omar’s firing would be a good thing. I believe the Wilpons would replace him with someone better by sheer dumb luck. There are what 3 or 4 GMs who are arguably worse than Omar (Moore, Sabean, Wade). The law of averages says that his replacement would likely be better, although what that means with Jeffy apparently making baseball decisions I don’t know.

Anyway, Let’s go Mets!

mostly cause not enough will change in the mets favor. its not like basketball where 1 good draft pick at the right time can change the whole team around. too much has to happen with a baseball organization. i will root for omar’s firing at this point AND for the wilpon’s sell the team or go broke so they have to sell the team to raise cash or something.

but rooting against my man belty belts and joey kings and d dubs and broham samtana. nope. not even if big pud lo duca was signed and started catching again. i’d just stupidly root for people like alex cora and dan murphy to have illogically great break out seasons and lead the team to figure because i’m a glutton for punishment and love wallowing in misery like a pathetic lump.

i mean dont we all?

I would not be a Mets fan.

Whoever said yes and that was a Mets fan then your not a real fan, I don’t care how bad the Mets do I will still be a fan until I die!!!!

bleed blue and orange

As a Mets fan, I want whatever is best for the Mets organization. At this moment, the Mets inept management, Fred and Jeff Wilpon, have run a baseball club that lacks a clear organizational focus. They do not, as I believe Ken Rosenthal wrote a few days back, understand how the business of baseball works. While I think the general manager, Omar Minaya is terrible, the real problem is the clueless ownership. A drastic change in organizational philosophy is necessary for this team to be a consistent contender in the mold of the Yankees or Red Sox.

Thus, I would not mind seeing a horrendous season that causes a massive public outcry against the Wilpons. Against such absurd pressure, the Wilpons may decide to either a) sell the team (probably very unlikely), or b) give complete control of the organization to personnel that run a team in the opposite mold of Minaya. Unless this happens, it may be a while before the Mets become a top-flight organziation. Yes, they will still often compete for years to come because of the excellent “core” of talented players. There may even be a championship if the stars align correctly. But a more likely scenario is a couple seasons like the last one over the next few years. With such great young talent that is absolutely unacceptable.

For the greater good of the organization, and for an exciting future as a Mets fan, a poor 2010 season may be beneficial.

No, I can’t root against them. However, I’m expecting it to play out that way in 2010. I can’t see any other scenario. The team isn’t different enough from last year’s, and even if everyone’s healthy (and let’s just say they are within two games of .500 and within four, maybe five, of first in the NL East when they get Beltran back), I don’t see much more than 85 wins. I’d like to hope and root for more, but I don’t see it happening. So I’m hoping for that 82nd win, but I’m not expecting it, and I’m not expecting Minaya to be back in 2011.

I don’t think he’s the main problem, though. I think he’s had his hands tied this winter, and those recent reports about how the Mets are run from the top down are both disturbing and, again, a bit unsurprising, because it had been pretty apparent that there didn’t seem to be a cohesive plan in place.

So I’ll root as I always do — starting on Opening Day, as I have for the past 10 years — but I don’t think it’s going to turn out well.

On principle, regardless of the situation, I am rooting for the Mets to win. At times- like last season, for example, when it became apparent that the best ending to the season we could have would be the one with the lowest amount of wins, because that would give us the lowest draft pick possible- I don’t want the Mets to win, but I still root for them to win.

I cant. i thought long and hard how and if i could. answer kept coming back no. The Mets for as much emotional stress they have put me through in my life, im only 27, i keep coming back for more. I was pissed when Generation K failed, Kazmier got traded, we keep Luis Castillo, Armando Benetiz closed games over John Franco, and we fired Bobby V. But each april im infront of the tv, or internet, watching and listening to opening day thinking "It’s our year.’

Its what makes me a Met fan. Eternal optimism through pessimism. I love ’em to a fault.

The Mets will probably frustrate me to no end this year and perhaps the next, but I’ll be loyal to them until the day I die.

I’ve been that guy as a football fan. (The Jets winning their last game in 2007 against the Chiefs— and dropping 3-4 draft slots along with— made me punch my wall. Not as much as their picking Vernon Gholston over Jerod Mayo or a DB, but hey…) Even then, it didn’t feel so good. And it made a lot more sense in football than it does in baseball.

My main problem with rooting for the tank-job is… well… I really don’t think anymore that Omar’s the main organizational problem. And I really don’t trust the main organizational problem to fire itself… or dig out the next Epstein/Zduriencik.

That should mean something right?
By the way there is no way, no matter how stupid the management is, that I could openly root against the Mets. Of course if this reign of terror continues I may stop caring-and I think that’s much worse.

I really wanted Bryce Harper. But even though I wanted them to lose to get the first pick, I couldn’t really root against them in any game. I guess it’s hard to explain, I want what’s best for the team, even if that means losing, but on a game to game basis, I root for them to win.

For years I wanted to root against them, for them to massively fail, for the whole organization to have to be ripped up from the top. But watching each individual games, I just couldn’t do it. Jamal Crawford game winners, that crazy tip in from Lee – I was super pumped about all of them. They’re my team. I can think it’s better for them to lose, but I just cannot root against them in a game. Same goes for the Mets.