Mets Sign Josh Fogg To Minor League Deal
by Eric Simon on Jan 29, 2010 11:52 AM EST
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PrintPer Troy Renck of the Denver Post.
Also, the Dragon Slayer has found a new home. Josh Fogg, one of the coolest guys I have ever covered — think of Vince Vaughn in "Dodgeball," has signed a minor-league deal with the Mets. Fogg told me today that he should have a shot to make the team out of spring training. The Mets’ rotation is pretty much up in the air, so it’s a good spot to compete for a job.
Not much to lose here. Fogg hasn't been decent since 2007 when he posted 1.4 WAR in 165 innings with the Rockies. His peripherals are really bleah. He doesn't strike anyone out -- 4.87 career K/9 -- and he's not a groundball guy. He has pretty good control, but that's not really enough to make him a useful big-leaguer.
[Added by Sam, 12:06 PM EST ] Apparently, he chose the Mets because it was his best opportunity to make a starting rotation -- a pretty depressing thought. Last season, Fogg pitched pretty well out of the Rockies bullpen, because only allowed ~10% of his batted pitches were line drives, compared to 20% for his career. Next season, that number will likely regress closer to the career mark, leaving Fogg with virtually no positive attributes. He also stranded more runners on base than any other season in his career.
In eight minor-league starts last season, Fogg walked more batters than he struck out. He had a K:BB<1...in AAA. As a starter for the Reds in 2008, he was pretty clearly the worst starting pitcher in the National League. Looking at Josh Fogg's stats as a starter is like looking at Barry Bonds stats as hitter, in that you often find yourself saying "how can that number be so high?" There's about 100 pitchers I'd rather see compete for a spot in the Mets rotation and Livan Hernandez and Tim Redding are both somewhere on that list. Hopefully the Mets relegate him to AAA during Spring Training, because I can't envision a scenario where he makes the team and doesn't make the it significantly worse.
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I am still okay with stockpiling pitchers on minor league contracts.
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jan 29, 2010 11:55 AM EST reply actions
Bisons rulz #1!
The causative relationship is that talent (plus luck) leads to wins. And that talent (plus service time) leads to payrolls.
Except
That’s exactly what he is: a BAD Stokes replacement.
by LeiterMilnerFasterStronger on Jan 29, 2010 5:41 PM EST up reply actions
Meh.
Both are basically replacement level pitchers, and both can spot start or work out of the pen. He’s a pretty adequate Stokes replacement, but either should realistically be in AAA.
"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green
by Stephen Schmidt on Jan 30, 2010 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
As long as..
..he isn’t near the big league roster, its no big deal. Niese, Nieve, Gee, Figueroa should ALL be ahead of him on the depth chart.
Works in the "see what sticks" bullpen scenario
let him “find himself” as a shut down reliever and deal him for prospects or let him chill in AAA for the year. No roster spot hurt, little cash. I like. Just cannot get enamored with him.
Since pitchers with poor peripherals and low Ks are like girls @ the jersey shore
never fall in love. I learned that from the wise men on that documentary on MTV
I know the Jersey shore comment is scarasm but it still deserves this:
/facepalm
If there's ever a riot at Citi Field and Oliver Perez was the starter, I started the riot.
Hey. Don't you diss Jersey Shore.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jan 29, 2010 4:47 PM EST up reply actions
i firmly believe that show makes you measurably stupider every time you watch it
and its an affront to humanity.
by KeithsMoustache on Jan 29, 2010 4:58 PM EST up reply actions
I found the experience to be the opposite.
It was a very zen show, with such notable quotes as (when cooking lobsters), “They’re alive before you kill them.” A Zen monk could ponder that for days.
It’s all mostly an act, anyway. I watched the reunion show, and half of the accents that they all had disappeared almost completely.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jan 29, 2010 5:00 PM EST up reply actions
eh these people are glorified dirtbags
whether it be an act or not, although i’ll agree sometimes they’re so stupid it borders on philosophical.
by KeithsMoustache on Jan 29, 2010 5:03 PM EST up reply actions
Oh, definitley.
They don’t portray “Italian-Americans” in a bad light as much as they do the American youth, in general. I was trying to explain that to my (very Italian and ‘proud’) father- you could substitute in Greeks, Irish, Germans, Russians, whoever, and you’d have basically the same show.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jan 29, 2010 5:13 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah
But that show almost makes me ashamed to be Italian. Well, not as much ashamed as embarrassed.
"Three home teams advance, and the fuckin' Jets" - Rex Ryan
I hate these kind of shows
But Jersey Shore was awesome! When I finished watching each episode I felt absolutely great about myself!
"Wait till Biggus Dickus hears about this!"
by scott from peekskill on Jan 29, 2010 7:13 PM EST up reply actions
yeah but i feel horrible about everyone else around me
and I’m pretty sure shows like that don’t help the fact the rest of the world hates us.
by KeithsMoustache on Jan 29, 2010 11:37 PM EST up reply actions
Haha, true. Certainly paints the Italian-American community in a bad way
"Wait till Biggus Dickus hears about this!"
by scott from peekskill on Jan 30, 2010 1:01 PM EST up reply actions
Imagine what it does to you if to there each summer?
$%&*@#$?/
"Never throw a slider to The Glider."
- Ed Charles, No. 5
What?
No, $17M vesting option if he pitches 6 MLB innings?
You’re slipping, Jeffy…
Oh, the butcher and the baker and the people on the street: wheredotheygo?!?!?
meh
I agree with Sam that he is worse then Livan and Redding, but this is probably the Mets trying to make Buffalo better so people actually watch
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
TEh Bis0ns R g0nna B da CHAMPTIONS!!!!11
The 2010 New York Mets: Maybe it's the Phillies' turn to have 95% of its roster on the DL
The 2009 New England Patriots: At least we got our division title back
Nicklas Bergfors for the Calder Trophy!
That looks like a mugging.
The 2010 New York Mets: Maybe it's the Phillies' turn to have 95% of its roster on the DL
The 2009 New England Patriots: At least we got our division title back
Nicklas Bergfors for the Calder Trophy!
by R_Adragna on Jan 29, 2010 1:17 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
As you can see, Josh Fogg brings some much needed grission to this team of slackers, overpaid losers, and Jose Reyes.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jan 29, 2010 4:48 PM EST up reply actions
So Francoeur, Omir, and Fogg
combine their powers and become the team of…….CAPTAIN GRISSION (Omir), SERGEANT TESTICULAR FORTITUDE (Francoeur) and COMMANDER HUSTLE (Fogg).
The 2010 New York Mets: Maybe it's the Phillies' turn to have 95% of its roster on the DL
The 2009 New England Patriots: At least we got our division title back
Nicklas Bergfors for the Calder Trophy!
Fogcoeurtos. Sounds like a scientific genus, or a comic book villain.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jan 29, 2010 5:01 PM EST up reply actions
Or a Spanish conquistador searching for the lost trophy of the Wold Series.
"Wait till Biggus Dickus hears about this!"
by scott from peekskill on Jan 29, 2010 7:15 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Sounds a bit French to me.
The 2010 New York Mets: Maybe it's the Phillies' turn to have 95% of its roster on the DL
The 2009 New England Patriots: At least we got our division title back
Nicklas Bergfors for the Calder Trophy!
Our pitching staff is sooooo deep now ...
Not even including our starters. There’s RA Dickey, Kelvin Escober, Nelson Figueroa, Juan Nieves and now, the immortal Josh Fogg.
“Ain’t no stoppin’ us now, we on the move ….”
Seriously, I actually think that if Jon (“The Knights That Say Niese”) Niese is healthy, that he’ll have a Niese year. (I love that name.)
"Never throw a slider to The Glider."
- Ed Charles, No. 5
"The Knights Who Say Niese" ...
I couldn’t resist:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0e2kaQqxmQ0
"Never throw a slider to The Glider."
- Ed Charles, No. 5
by The Glider on Jan 29, 2010 1:57 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd. Any link to a Python blockbuster should be Rec'd
"Wait till Biggus Dickus hears about this!"
by scott from peekskill on Jan 29, 2010 7:16 PM EST up reply actions
please...
please omar we need someone else in the rotation… sign erik bedard, when he plays (albeit not very often) he’s great and it shouldn’t cost that much. You need to take risks to win games.
Cost shouldn’t even be a hurdle we just got 21 mill from the Angels surely we can pay bedard 6mil plus incentives.
I heard Bedard wants no part of NY
Don’t know if it’s true, but that’s what I heard/read.
"Never throw a slider to The Glider."
- Ed Charles, No. 5
He may not have much of a choice
It would be win win at this point. Team with the $ to make the deal happen, a year in the NL to rebuild his value and the most powerful team in the division being mostly left handed. Problem is hes got a mediocre at best D behind him and he wont compile Ws with as much ease as an ANA or somewhere else. Could see him as a Cardinal, thats where I would go on a 1 year deal, Duncan will have him healthy and a Cy Young contender if a Rick Peterson 10 Minutes… I mean NY Minute
He can always continue rehabbing
and join a team mid-season, like Pedro did last year. There will probably be multiple teams in contention for a wc looking for someone then, plus he might not be ready by then anyway.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
Agree
when healthy he’s so much better than our whole pitching staff after Johan.
Yeah but he's 40
which means not only is he likely diminishing in skill, though I agree that probably still wouldn’t make him worse than most of our options not named Johan, but staying healthy is going to become more of a problem.
Though at this point does it make a difference? Sign every pitcher available and see what sticks.
Except Jarrod Washburn, or w/e his last name is, don’t sign that guy.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
Over/under on Fogg getting 10 starts with the big-league club in 2010
I say over. No way Omar lets “major league” talent sit in Buffalo all season.
Omar head is in a Fogg...
…if he thinks this is a good signing, come on 62-69 in his career with a 5.03 career ERA…. wow I am glad we past on Pineiro and davis for him
It sure is...
how do you replace Tim Redding with Josh Fogg and still have a paycheck to cash…
Lead, follow, or get out of the way
eh
he’s there for depth. Nothing wrong with a spot starter/long reliever on a minor league deal.
by KeithsMoustache on Jan 30, 2010 10:29 AM EST up reply actions
Awesome move agin
Well forget watching the Mets this year since management does nothing to improve the team. I guess their strategy is to sellout games at Ol’ Timers night for the Bisons. Bisons 2010 Champs baby. Mets enjoying cocktails on the beach in October.
A solid move. There's no risk or worries.
Worse case scenario: He sucks in Buffalo, and that’s that. Oh well, big whoop.
Best case scenario: He demonstrates some worth, and contributes in a positive manner to the Major League club.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jan 29, 2010 4:51 PM EST reply actions
Huh?
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jan 29, 2010 7:22 PM EST up reply actions
Some people say cucumbers taste better pickled
"Three home teams advance, and the fuckin' Jets" - Rex Ryan
pickled cucumbers you say?
you might be onto something there!
by KeithsMoustache on Jan 29, 2010 11:38 PM EST up reply actions
Worst case scenario:
He sucks in Buffalo, there are a number of pitchers injured on the big club, and he winds up pitching in New York despite sucking at Buffalo.
by SeanSchirmer on Jan 29, 2010 7:53 PM EST up reply actions
That's including variables out of his hand. I wasn't; He, himself, can either do bad, and be sent to Buffalo, or do good, and possibly have a beneficial presence on the Mets.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jan 29, 2010 9:14 PM EST up reply actions
Best case scenario is
he doesn’t get a whiff of the majors because the guys in front of him on the depth chart stay healthy and pitch well.
You don't cheer for the Mets. You drink for the Mets.
Again, that's including variables that are out of his hand.
If he does well enough, he deserves a spot on the Major League team just as much as anyone. When I say best case scenario, yada, yada, yada, I am keeping that in mind- he does well enough to demonstrate he deserves to be on the Major League club.
I find that very unlikely, that that scenario would actually work out, but that’d be nice, if if it happened, and he contributed in a positive manner. Very doubtful, though.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jan 30, 2010 11:11 AM EST up reply actions
I just did
obviously, Omar’s talent people are hanging out in bars. Bars that open at 8 AM…
Lead, follow, or get out of the way
Sign the Spaceman
I know Bill Lee must be at least 60 years young, but he’s in better shape than most of the “Sick Bay Commandos” (including Bay), that Omar likes to accumulate, has contacts in Cuba, hates the Yankees, tells it like it is and would make one hell of a loogy. And he’s NOT soft, like Pelfrey.
Lead, follow, or get out of the way
do you seriously think Pelfrey is soft?
Because thats one of the dumbest comments I’ve ever heard
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
by firejerrynow on Jan 30, 2010 7:17 AM EST up reply actions
he is soft
all that licking has tenderized his fingers to the point that they’re almost falling off the bone.
by KeithsMoustache on Jan 30, 2010 10:31 AM EST up reply actions
The fact that players think they have a better shot at our rotation could be a good thing.
Guys like Wang and Lowry are probably going to have to settle for minor league deals, getting them into St. Lucie couldn’t hurt.
"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green
by Stephen Schmidt on Jan 30, 2010 12:16 PM EST reply actions
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