Mets, Red Sox Discussing Luis Castillo/Mike Lowell Swap
by Eric Simon on Jan 4, 2010 8:24 PM EST
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Jerry Crasnick tweets that the Mets and Red Sox have reportedly discussed a swap of Luis Castillo and Mike Lowell.
Lowell and his $12 million 2010 contract was traded to the Rangers a few weeks ago -- along with $9 million in cash -- for catcher Max Ramirez. The deal was canceled because Lowell's physical turned up a torn radial collateral ligament in his right thumb, an injury for which he underwent surgery on 12/30 which was deemed successful. He is expected to be cleared to throw a baseball in six weeks (around 2/10) and could swing a bat two weeks after that. At all events, he could very well be ready to roll on Opening Day.
Lowell, once a solid fielder and hitter, has slipped considerably in both areas. He is worth around a half-win with the bat; around minus-one-half-win with the glove. He could be a useful fill-in for David Wright at the hot corner and might reasonably platoon with Daniel Murphy at first, though Lowell's barely-adequate bat at third would look pretty iffy across the diamond.
Castillo has two years and $12 million remaining on the deal he signed after the 2007 season. While he is still a capable on-base and steals guy, he has zero power and his defense has steadily betrayed him in recent years.
The money being equal, there is something to be said for getting the $12 million off the books in one year rather than two, but that's probably a marginal advantage at best.
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Why in the world does Boston want Castillo? They have Pedroia.
Gas prices today are a lot like a pitcher's ERA. Anything under 3 is amazing, under 4 is pretty good and anything 5 and up is something you want to avoid.
by Bobby Baseball on Jan 4, 2010 8:27 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
to get under the luxury tax
lowell is owed 12 million this season.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
by Gina on Jan 4, 2010 8:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ooh--good eye, Gina.
This is incomprehensible to me from the Mets pov. Castillo actually has some value—I’ve been estimating him as still being worth 2/4 or 2/6. It wouldn’t surprise me in the least if the Red Sox turned around and dumped him for a more useful (for them) spare part. I don’t see Lowell as being anything other than redundant on the Mets. Murphy will be at least as good a sub for Wright at this point in their careers.
Lowell is not a clear upgrade at 1b. There’s zero reason to do this deal.
by SeanSchirmer on Jan 5, 2010 9:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The fact that they got Beltre who they really targeted this offseason
makes this deal make sense on the Lowell end but what would they do with Castillo.
the number one issue facing the Mets is finding that one guy who’s going to say "get on my shoulders and ride me to the championship."
by Sokojoe on Jan 4, 2010 8:28 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Who else can afford the 12 million dollar commitment to Lowell this offseason?
Even if the Sox take Castillo for this season and then cut him next year, they still save money as they won’t have to pay the luxury tax.
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-Dallas Green
by Schmidtxc on Jan 4, 2010 8:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If the Red Sox trade Lowell and money for a prospect
like the Ranger deal, that would take Lowell off their luxury tax calculation.
the number one issue facing the Mets is finding that one guy who’s going to say "get on my shoulders and ride me to the championship."
by Sokojoe on Jan 4, 2010 9:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Teams sending a prospect will be alot more fussy about Lowells health, like with the Ranger deal.
I think the Mets will be a little more likely to take an injury risk there.
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-Dallas Green
by Schmidtxc on Jan 4, 2010 9:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Right, I agree the Mets would most likely do this
but I see no benefit for the Red Sox. If they are 6.2 mil over the luxury tax and since they were not over last year, that means they would have to pay roughly $1 million in luxury tax. Trading for dead weight like Castillo would be on their team instead of seeing if Lowell can prove himself healthy and get some prospect doesn’t seem worth 1 mil to me.
the number one issue facing the Mets is finding that one guy who’s going to say "get on my shoulders and ride me to the championship."
by Sokojoe on Jan 4, 2010 9:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sox might move Pedroia to SS
http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/130351-red-sox-moving-pedroia-to-shortstop
and other articles:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=pedroia+to+shortstop&cts=1262655148710&aq=f&oq=&aqi=
by Jamesir Bensonmum on Jan 4, 2010 8:33 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
that was just a rumor from before they signed scutaro
i’m quite certain that there is no way if the sox were planning on moving pedroia castillo would be the 2nd basemen they target.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
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by Gina on Jan 4, 2010 8:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Whoops.
Yeah, forgot about that one.
by Jamesir Bensonmum on Jan 4, 2010 8:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
what would they do with Scutaro?
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by firejerrynow on Jan 4, 2010 8:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh God.
Just trade the guy already.
A box of used jockstraps will do.
you know what I'm sayin' ?
by fxcarden on Jan 4, 2010 8:40 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but the box of jockstraps isn't due 12 million over the next two years.
I’d guess it actually has a higher trade value than Castillo.
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by Schmidtxc on Jan 4, 2010 8:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What things don't have a higher trade value than Castillo?
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by Gina on Jan 4, 2010 9:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Gary Matthews Jr.
Vernon Wells
Barry Zito
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-Dallas Green
by Schmidtxc on Jan 4, 2010 9:15 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Well I meant things to mean actual things
but Omar apparently disagrees with you as far as GM Jr.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
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by Gina on Jan 4, 2010 9:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I have to disagree.
He hasn’t made the trade, and I don’t think the Angels would have hestitated to pull the trigger on that one, so I’d have to guess he shot it down.
"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green
by Schmidtxc on Jan 4, 2010 9:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well from what I understand the proposed trade was a 4 team deal,
and Castillo would have been going to the cubs not the angels.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
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by Gina on Jan 4, 2010 9:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Who knows who actually brought that idea up. The fact that one of four GM's thought it might work doesn't mean anything really happened there.
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by Schmidtxc on Jan 4, 2010 9:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The Giants don't have a second baseman do they? Burriss?
I wouldn’t mind a Castillo-Zito trade as long as we didnt have to take on too much money.
Gas prices today are a lot like a pitcher's ERA. Anything under 3 is amazing, under 4 is pretty good and anything 5 and up is something you want to avoid.
by Bobby Baseball on Jan 5, 2010 4:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Taking on Zito will involve taking on alot of money
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by Schmidtxc on Jan 5, 2010 4:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Besides, they re-signed Freddie Sanchez
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by Schmidtxc on Jan 5, 2010 4:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm taking this one with a grain of salt.
If this were the Mike Lowell of 2004 or 2007, I would be pretty overjoyed. Nowadays, I’m just not sure if I could get excited over this, other than getting rid of one bad contract.
Beer is good! And stuff!
by R_Adragna on Jan 4, 2010 8:55 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I'd imagine that there'd be a third team
and that the Mets would be platooning Lowell at first.
The Dodgers are certainly a good fit, I could imagine Russell Martin being moved to the Sox in a three way deal with some prospect movement from Boston to LA. This of course would leave a hole at the catcher position for the Dodgers, and perhaps if the Mets are to sign Barajas or Molina, they could send Henry Blanco to the Dodgers.
In terms of the MLB players being moved the Dodgers aren’t receiving much value, but they fill out the roster while not adding too much payroll, and gain a few prospects in the process
by METSMETSMETS on Jan 4, 2010 8:59 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Regading Blanco,
I don’t believe you can trade a FA signing until June as that would be unfair to the player as well as give high payroll teams the advantage of sign and trades, also I think the latter would lead to salary inflation.
the number one issue facing the Mets is finding that one guy who’s going to say "get on my shoulders and ride me to the championship."
by Sokojoe on Jan 4, 2010 9:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Henry Blanco can't be a PTBNL, as the Dodgers and Mets play in the same league.
That violates the rules of the CBA.
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-Dallas Green
by Schmidtxc on Jan 4, 2010 9:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Here...
http://sonsofsamhorn.net/wiki/index.php/MLB_Rules_and_Procedures#Player_to_be_Named_Later
It can also be found here in the CBA, but I really don’t feel like taking the time to track it down. I’ve looked it up before, at the time of the Wagner trade, so I can assure you it’s in there.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/11066175/MLBPA-CBA
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by Schmidtxc on Jan 4, 2010 9:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The Mets can't trade Blanco until June.
Regardless though, I really don’t see why either team would need to involve the Dodgers, as this looks like a pretty straight salary swap.
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by Schmidtxc on Jan 4, 2010 9:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I guess
I still feel like the Red Sox would prefer to have a player they could actually USE, and considering V-tek’s performance and the fact that there is no way in hell V-Mart is a full time catcher, Russell Martin would be worth looking into.
by METSMETSMETS on Jan 4, 2010 9:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That sounds like a seperate trade, with nothing to do with Lowell/Castillo
I can’t see how Russell Martin would fit into this proposed deal at all.
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by Schmidtxc on Jan 4, 2010 9:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Doesn't have to be
Red Sox need a catcher, Mets need a first baseman, Dodgers need a second baseman
by METSMETSMETS on Jan 4, 2010 9:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The Sox have both Varitek and Martinez.
If they move Martinez to 1st, What happens to Youk? They just signed Beltre to play 3rd. I don’t think the Red Sox need a catcher.
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by Schmidtxc on Jan 4, 2010 9:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They could DH one of them
that being said I agree it doesn’t really make sense for any team
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by Gina on Jan 4, 2010 9:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
what happens to Ortiz then
A "Zeile" for avoiding outs
by metsguy234 on Jan 4, 2010 9:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ortiz has completely fallen off
I don’t think there’s any chance he comes back after this year, and I wouldn’t be shocked if they were looking into possible replacements this year. He’s fallen off a cliff the last two years.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
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by Gina on Jan 4, 2010 9:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That roster is so deep they could use the DH to rest their players.
I doubt they’d have any use for Russell Martin who would be a major downgrade from Martinez.
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by Schmidtxc on Jan 4, 2010 9:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know anything about Martinez's defense
is pretty good for a catcher?
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by Gina on Jan 4, 2010 9:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It's passable, but Martin isn't exactly great behind the plate.
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by Schmidtxc on Jan 4, 2010 9:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Martinez's defense is passable
but his knees aren’t. In 2008 he played all of 73 games in the Majors, and 10 of them were at first.
This year he managed to play in 155 games, but started as a catcher in only 82 of them.
by METSMETSMETS on Jan 5, 2010 4:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
2008 was the only time in his career he's been on the DL.
Missing time that season doesn’t mean he is a health risk, it means he’s suffered one injury in a 7 year career that’s caused him to miss consecutive games. He’s a catcher that regularly plays over 140 games, if anything he’s the exact opposite of a health risk.
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by Schmidtxc on Jan 5, 2010 4:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
But having knee problems, being in your early 30s
and averaging less than 80 games at catcher the last two years doesn’t exactly bode well for him. It doesn’t seem unrealistic that they might think he’d be better off at dh/part time catching, especially considering Ortiz has fallen off his contract is expiring, and they’d look into bringing in another catcher.
Whether that catcher is Russel Martin though I have no idea. They did try to trade for Max Ramirez who is a catching prospect, though I have no idea what the odds of him staying there are I’ve heard a lot of reports that he’ll end up at DH himself.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
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by Gina on Jan 5, 2010 5:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What knee problems?
He’s a catcher, he’s gonna have bad knees to some extent. No major issues have been reported with him. The Indians were using him at 1st to get Shoppach in the lineup over Garko, not because he couldn’t catch. If they had Youkalis at 1st, I’d guess the majority of Martinez’s games would have been behing the plate.
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by Schmidtxc on Jan 5, 2010 5:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That still leaves DH
and once again with David Ortiz declining as rapidly as it has it makes sense for them to replace him with anyone.
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by Gina on Jan 5, 2010 9:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Martinez, a fine hitter, is'nt Pudge or Johnny Bench
behind the plate…..I’d say a poor man’s Mike Piazza, when Piazza got to NY (way less power,though).
by 1969met on Jan 5, 2010 10:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Varitek
is useless.
Martinez isn’t a full time catcher due to health and defense.
I can’t imagine Ortiz isn’t movable especially after losing Lowell’s contract. If the Sox were willing to eat half of Ortiz’s contract he could be moved to a team looking for pop. Martin could start at catcher, Martinez at DH, V-tek backs up. It also significantly helps them as they now have a catcher they can more easily extend in Martin. Beckett, Ortiz, Beltre, Varitek Martinez and Papelbon will all have the option of free agency after 2010, Drew, Cameron and Scutaro after 2011 and it’ll certainly be good to know that Pedroia, Martin, Ellsbury, Youk, Lester and Lackey at the very least will remain constant throughout the years.
by METSMETSMETS on Jan 4, 2010 10:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Anyways
the logjam that would created at catcher wouldn’t be as bad as the one in the middle infield. Castillo is exclusively a second baseman with no bench experience and also has terrible range. Martin is young, has SOME experience at another position, and has better hitting skills than V-tek and durability than Martinez. He’s a better fit than Castillo by far
by METSMETSMETS on Jan 4, 2010 11:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Martinez has health issues??? He's been on the DH once since 2004.
Martin isn’t exactly a good defensive catcher, and his bat is far inferior to Martinez. He’s not an upgrade.
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by Schmidtxc on Jan 4, 2010 11:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And that one time wasn't in 2009 either.
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by Schmidtxc on Jan 4, 2010 11:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The general concensus
is that he is not able to handle a full season of catching and would need half the year at DH and first base. Can you give me any other good reason he’d be converted to a first baseman?
Also I believe he only played 73 games last year…..
by METSMETSMETS on Jan 5, 2010 4:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He also spent 66 games starting at first.
He’s no full time catcher.
by METSMETSMETS on Jan 5, 2010 4:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Martin played a bunch at 3rd.
Does that mean he’s not a catcher either?
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by Schmidtxc on Jan 5, 2010 4:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Martins played a total of 12 games there
that’s not really a bunch, or anywhere near the number of games Martinez has played elsewhere.
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by Gina on Jan 5, 2010 5:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The Dodgers didn't have a 2nd catcher like Shoppach, or a glaring Ryan Garko type hole at 1st.
They also didn’t have the luxury of the DH.
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-Dallas Green
by Schmidtxc on Jan 5, 2010 5:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The really bad news is
that the Mets need a catcher, a first baseman, and a second baseman.
by SeanSchirmer on Jan 5, 2010 9:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
and 2-3 pitchers
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by Gina on Jan 5, 2010 9:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Red Sox have Victor Martinez
and varitek. They’re not trading for Russell Martin.
by MLB DW on Jan 5, 2010 12:12 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This doesn't pass the smell test
But who knows.
by James Kannengieser on Jan 4, 2010 9:02 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I don't know, it seems like a perfect fit for both teams for me.
The Sox don’t have a backup middle infielder, but have plenty of options at the corners with Youk, Beltre, Martinez, and Kotchman. They could use the salary relief this year if they want to avoid the luxury tax. The Mets may be the only team willing to eat Lowell’s entire contract, and they’d actually be sending a useful bench piece in return. Plus Theo seems to love OBP, which is the one area Castillo really does well at. They’d actually save money by taking Castillo by not paying the luxury tax.
The Mets want to get out of the two year commitment and Lowell would do just that. He’d be a righty to platoon at first with Murphy who could provide some solid cover in the case of an injury to Wright. They open up second base for Omar to get Hudson whom he seems to love. The luxury tax doesn’t seem to be a legitimate concern, so they can take the hit in one season to get it off the books for next.
In both teams cases they probably wanted to wait and see if they could do better, but if the Sox were running out of time with Beltre, this makes a ton of sense. At this point I doubt they’ll find anyone else to take the whole contract with Lowells health concerns. I’m not saying it will actually happen, but it really seems to make sense for both teams.
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by Schmidtxc on Jan 4, 2010 9:13 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Sox have Lowrie, Green and even Tug Hulett
And Castillo cannot play shortstop — those first two can. Besides that, some good points.
by James Kannengieser on Jan 4, 2010 9:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They don't have Green, he's a FA
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by Schmidtxc on Jan 4, 2010 9:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I was actually hoping he was our backup MI instead of Cora.
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by Schmidtxc on Jan 4, 2010 9:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think what people are ignoring here...
is that there really aren’t any serviceable second basemen after next season, meaning we can’t really trade Castillo next year and sign someone better. 1 more year of Castillo = 2 more years of Castillo. 1 year of Lowell as the other half of a Murphy platoon at first and 2 years of orlando hudson is definitely preferable to me.
by Asawisemansaid on Jan 4, 2010 9:22 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Well Castillo could always be a stopgap next year
for someone like Harvens or Tejada to take over.
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by Gina on Jan 4, 2010 9:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
er by next year i meant 2011
since I don’t expect either to be ready fulltime for 2011.
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by Gina on Jan 4, 2010 9:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I hear you but
The point is, as long as they only sign hudson to a 2 year, he could do the same thing and be better at it.
by Asawisemansaid on Jan 4, 2010 9:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Theres a good chance both Hudson and Lopez will be available again next year.
Iwamura is also available, and Mark Ellis might be as well.
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by Schmidtxc on Jan 4, 2010 9:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I dont see
Ellis or Iwamura as all THAT much better than castillo in the first place, and i’d rather not chance it fate.
by Asawisemansaid on Jan 4, 2010 9:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd much prefer Ellis to Hudson
and possibly Iwamura, depending on the cost.
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by Gina on Jan 4, 2010 9:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
really?
Ellis has only had 500 abs 2x in his career and a career obp of .333. I’ll take hudson or iwamura over him.
by Asawisemansaid on Jan 4, 2010 9:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ellis is a beast defensively.
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by firejerrynow on Jan 5, 2010 6:46 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Mike Lowell
This could make sense if Mike Lowell were a left handed hitter.
This could make sence if it were a multiple team trade with Mike Lowell ending up with a team other than the Mets. Think: Red Sox, Dodgers, Cubs, Reds, AND Mets.
Lowell’s $12 Mil/1 year deal makes Luis Castillo’s $12 Mil/2 yr deal look respectful.
As bad a Castillo was in 2008, he wasn’t horrible in 2009 except on that “catch” in Yankee Stadium.
I had not heard a Russell Martin related rumor involving the Mets. He had a not-so-good year in 2009 and is arbitration elligible. I have heard a rumor about Castillo going to the Dodgers. It is hard to believe any trade involving Luis Castillo, especially a three way deal. I can not see the Dodgers dumping Martin.
However, the principles of a deal could be:
RedSox get Castillo
Dodgers get Lowell & Omir Santos
Mets get Russell Martin
The Mets would then do out and get a secondbaseman, hopefully Brandon Phillips ,coupled with a starting pitcher.
by vern on Jan 4, 2010 9:39 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
There haven't been any Russell Martin rumors involving the Mets, and Castillo's defense was terrible for all of 2009.
I don’t really see the Dodgers needing Lowell, and they have to dump payroll, not add it. The McCourts divorce is screwing that franchise.
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by Schmidtxc on Jan 4, 2010 9:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If it was a Castillo for Martin trade
NY Would get Martin
by a hay on Jan 4, 2010 9:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No, FLA would get Martin. He'd then be traded to NY five games later.
Them’s the rules.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jan 4, 2010 10:32 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
that makes no sense for the dodgers
what do they gain in that trade?
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by Gina on Jan 4, 2010 9:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Extra payroll.
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by Schmidtxc on Jan 4, 2010 9:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Mike Lowell
As much as Luis Castillo is everybody’s hate object, I do not see Mike Lowell as filling any great need, other that getting rid of Luis Castillo.
The Mets are seeking a catcher.
The Mets are heavily right handed, and adding Lowell would make the situation worse.
A $12 million bench player is too much to swallow.
Add more teams and it might make sence
by vern on Jan 4, 2010 9:58 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
The Mets are looking for a right handed platoon partner for Murphy (supposedly)
The Mets have 12 million owed to Castillo, just as they would to Lowell.
Omar has already tried to move Castillo for Snyder and been shot down. Why would you think he could get Russell Martin for Luis Castillo? If thats the case he might as well hold out for Pujols.
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by Schmidtxc on Jan 4, 2010 10:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Call me crazy, but I think I'd just prefer Castillo as a full-time second baseman rather than Lowell as a part-time platoon player.
If it’s a straight bad-salary for bad-salary swap. If there’s more to the deal, that might warm me up to things. Texas already decided to end their negotiations for trading for Lowell based on his physical. That should be warning flag one right there. Texas is a smarter organization than ours, right now. If they don’t think Lowell is going to be healthy enough, I trust their judgment over ours.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jan 4, 2010 10:36 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
You're not alone.
12M’s a lot for a Tatis sorta-upgrade.
by LeiterMilnerFasterStronger on Jan 4, 2010 10:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
cut that in half
we’re losing $6 million from Castillo, as well as $6 million from next year on his contract as well
by METSMETSMETS on Jan 4, 2010 11:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah but it seems like it would make more sense, to just keep Castillo
bench him and go after another 2nd basemen, since we’re not really gaining anything from Lowell.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
by Gina on Jan 4, 2010 11:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What about this theoretical Lowell/Delgado platoon
as discussed on MLBTR? Assuming we can get Delgado on the cheap, potentially offsetting Lowell’s astronomical price tag?
douchion = -(grission)
by HoJoHeff on Jan 4, 2010 10:54 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
waste of money, don't you think?
we’d be spending $10 million for dreck at first
by METSMETSMETS on Jan 4, 2010 11:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I agree
I’m not sure how much better that would be that Murphy and some platoon partnet
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
by Gina on Jan 4, 2010 11:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I know you can't count on these types of performances in 2010
“Delgado, against righties, had a .912 OPS in 2008, .902 in 2009. Lowell had a .961 OPS against lefties in 2008, an .867 OPS against them in 2009.” (from MLBTR)
Not exactly ‘dreck.’
douchion = -(grission)
by HoJoHeff on Jan 4, 2010 11:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
With Delgado, all of that can be irrelevant.
In winter ball, he might demonstrate that he can’t hit anymore, or that he can’t field anymore. Either makes him unattractive.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jan 5, 2010 7:59 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not sure if this sounds off the wall
would swapping Mike Lowell for Kyle Lohse work? The Cardinals lack an experienced option at third.
by Matt Himelfarb on Jan 4, 2010 11:05 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Why the hell woul you want to take on Lohse's contract?
It is worse than Castillos or Lowells
"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green
by Schmidtxc on Jan 4, 2010 11:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
True
Lohse is probably the most productive of the 3, but I didn’t realize the length of Lohse’s contract.
by Matt Himelfarb on Jan 4, 2010 11:15 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I don't know if he'd sustain his success without Dave Duncan
"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green
by Schmidtxc on Jan 4, 2010 11:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Am I the only not thrilled by the prospect of Hudson?
Hudson has never played a full season. He does drive the ball alot more than castillo (but not much more than an average mlb 2nd) but he doesnt get on base as much. He has more range than castillo, but UZR has him trending downward ( though i trust dewan +/- more which doesnt have him in decline).
Im not saying he wouldnt be a win or two upgrade over castillo, but i dont know if its smart to give a 32 yo the contract the Omar would probably give him.
by njmets84 on Jan 4, 2010 11:38 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Plus/Minus has him as an above average second baseman.
It all depends on the contract I guess, as long as it doesn’t exceed Castillo’s I’d be very happy with it.
"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green
by Schmidtxc on Jan 4, 2010 11:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hudson
was benched by the Dodgers by the end of last season. He wants to play in NY though and he’s probably going to have a more productive season in 2010 than Castillo. Plus, the Mets could use a guy who’s more of a 5 tool player in the 2 hole rather Castillo and his non-existent power.
by MLB DW on Jan 5, 2010 12:19 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Starting 2nd basemen are and have been in the 6-8 million per season area for awhile now
4 years was too much for Castillo, however….that’s Omar and loyalty stuff.
by 1969met on Jan 5, 2010 10:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not a huge fan of Hudson
but a short contract at a reasonable price would be fine with me just based on the stat that his name isn’t spelled “Castillo”
by KeithsMoustache on Jan 5, 2010 11:05 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Castillo will only be moved for another bad contract
Look, there are an ass-load of bad contracts out there. Lowell would make sence considering that the Mets have NOT made an offer to Delgado and the only offer that is acceptible to give Carlos is one that is heavy on insentives. The Mets front office is worried about a repeat of last-year’s revolving door to the DL. Here is what I would do if I were the Mets front office.
Make the Castillo for Lowell trade.
Sign Delgado to a 1yr – 2 Mil, incentives for 100+ games, 100+ RBI and 30+HR
This opens the door to save money and sit Delgado and use Lowell against LHP.
Trade Murphy (his defence gives me the same feeling as when Benitez came in to close out the game) to a team in need of a TRUE 3B (That is his real position and will never get to play with Wright around) for a ok 2B and releif P or #4 Starter.
Sign Pinero, and Sheets
Keep Omir Santos – DO NOT SIGN MOLINA
Lineup
Reyes
Frenchy
Wright
Beltran
Bay OR Delgado/Lowell
Delgado/Lowell OR Bay
Santos
2B
Pitcher
by ddaone2 on Jan 5, 2010 1:17 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
you can't make incentives based on production
but more importantly why in the world is frenchy batting 2nd in your line up?
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
by Gina on Jan 5, 2010 1:45 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Because then Reyes would learn to steal on the first pitch
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by Schmidtxc on Jan 5, 2010 8:14 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
"The Mets front office is worried about a repeat of last-year’s revolving door to the DL"
If that’s the case, re-signing Delgado and trading for Lowell makes less sense. Delgado is an unknown quantity at this point, and pretty much will be for the entire season, with his winter ball being a glimpse into how he might perform. Lowell, the Rangers voided their trade for him earlier in the off-season because he failed their physical, and they were concerned about possible future injuries. Delgado less so, but I don’t see Lowell as not being a question mark, in terms of health.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jan 5, 2010 8:02 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Mike Lowell
I came up with an exotic 18 player, 6 team trade with Boston getting Max Ramirez, the catcher they sought in the initial cancelled trade; the Rangers getting Castillo instead of Mike Lowell, who was considered damaged goods in that trade, and a prospect from the Cubs. The Mets, Reds, and Dodgers were also involved. The Mets ended up with Russell Martin, Brandon Phillips and Bronson Arroyo.
A stand alone Mike Lowell for Luis Castillo deal is beginning to make sence depending how sevearly the Mets want to get rid of luis Castillo and get a replaceemnt at 2B. Orlando Hudson would not be that replacement.
by vern on Jan 5, 2010 9:48 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Hell, wait till Lowell is healthy then, flip him to the Rangers for Max Ramirez. I would also like Lowell as Murphy’s platoon, and D-Wright’s fill in.
by Coolpapabell on Jan 5, 2010 11:22 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Did Adam Kennedy sign anywhere
Just curious, weren’t they interested in him last month? Also, for 2011, isn’t there a very good chance Reese Havens could be ready to play 2nd by then? He’ll be 24 or 25 by then.
by Mackey Sasser on Jan 5, 2010 1:00 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Kennedy signed, I just don't remember where offhand
by SeanSchirmer on Jan 5, 2010 9:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think so....we'll check on this......he's not worth that much at this stage...
by 1969met on Jan 5, 2010 10:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Looks like you're right.
The front page of mlbtraderumors.com claims the Marlins might be interested in signing Kennedy at some point.
by SeanSchirmer on Jan 5, 2010 11:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't really follow the Lowell as platoon partner argument.
He’s only 52 points of OPS better against LHP than he is against RHP, and we have at least two lefty mashers who will cost around the league minimum. Where’s the appeal, y’all?
by SeanSchirmer on Jan 5, 2010 9:44 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
He's a winner
and has played in pressure situations.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
by Gina on Jan 5, 2010 9:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ah, true, veteran presence.
Whereas Chris Carter was gotten from a small market club where there was little pressure to perfo…, er, and Nick Evans has only sucessfully mashed lefties in the low-pressure environment of…, oh, nevermind.
by SeanSchirmer on Jan 5, 2010 10:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah not to mention
Luis Castillo, the guy we’d be sending off, played in the same winning environment in Florida as Lowell did. It obviously didn’t rub off on him though.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
by Gina on Jan 5, 2010 10:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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