The End of the Phillies as We Know and Hate Them
by MLB DW on Jan 4, 2010 10:59 PM EST
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Printis surprising soon. I can't guarantee it will be this year, though the law of averages suggest they're do for some significant injuries this year.
No no, the phillies will certainly be no more after the end of the 2011 season. Why you ask? Simply put, Ryan Howard, Jimmy Rollins, Cole Hamels, Raul Ibanez and Shane Victorino will all be FA after the 2011 season. Roll players Jason Werth, Jamie moyer, brad lidge and joe blanton are all FA after 2010. Utley, Happ and Hallday will be the only signifigant players still signed after 2011.
Needless to say, with such massive overturn, the Phillies as we know and hate won't be the same for much longer. Obviously not all of these players will leave through necessity, but here's the rundown
Werth: Too expensive for the Phillies
Moyer: Too old
Lidge: Headcase, gone
Blanton: Probably will be retained, but pitchers of his make up seem quite adept at snagging $8+ mill per year, even in down markets.
Howard: He'll find a home in the AL and likely will be a bust for his next employer.
Rollins: Tough to be retained because he's a SS who can hit and people will always buy that, but Phillies actually made the first right step by picking up the extension early. However, Jeter is a FA after 2011 and won't be playing short that much longer. Jeter to 2nd and Rollins a yankee? Could happen.
Hamels: Mr. Choke artist choked away last season and then quit on his team in the playoffs. He's gone, cuz if he pitches good the next two years, he prices himself out the phillies market and if he sucks, why would they want him back.
Ibanez: He'll be old... really old and the AL would be a better fit at that point, but hey, roids worked wonders for Bonds. Maybe they can keep Raul going into his early 40s.
Victorino: He'll likely be retained, because he can hit, field and play CF, and the fans love him, and apparently he wants to stay.
Obviously, with all these contracts coming off the board, the Phillies will be a much different team after 2011. Question is, who will they bring in and can they sustain a $140 million payroll in non-playoff years (nope).
I will say this though, Amaro made a mistake trading away Cliff Lee. It's not just that the prospect are incredibly uninspiring, its that this team clearly has a ticking clock and its win now or else. Trading away Lee seems more than likely to be a money saving move rather than a farm saving move. If Amaro really was so concerned with the long term viability of his team, he would of held onto the Halladay prospects and taken the two extra draft picks or rolled the dice with Lee. But as it stands, his teams no better today than it was before the Hallday. Sure, it'll be better in 2011 (assuming Lee wouldn't of signed) but after 2011... well then he's got a $20 mill boat with a lot of miles to work around.
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I mean, you could add a negative rec to the site, yes?
Or maybe Site Bot could make an appearance.
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jan 4, 2010 11:42 PM EST up reply actions
I haven't seen the site bot in a while. This image is a keeper though...
"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green
by Stephen Schmidt on Jan 4, 2010 11:48 PM EST up reply actions
It would be a badder post with a monocle...
I wish I had the skills to do that
"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green
by Stephen Schmidt on Jan 5, 2010 10:08 AM EST up reply actions
I politely disagree.
(I’m trying a New Year’s resolution thing.)
by LeiterMilnerFasterStronger on Jan 4, 2010 11:47 PM EST reply actions
That's nice.
I have myself, in just the last 5 minutes, decided that a “who the fuck says so?” didn’t really add anything to the thread I was tempted to post it on.
They are gonna resign a few of them
First off with the way Werth played he is not a role player. 2nd i see no reason why howard will all of a sudden become a bust. 3rd moyer really wasnt an important cog last year. Lastly if only holiday utley and happ are under contract, they are still gonna have 10s of millions of dollars to work with. Resigning a few of these guys shouldnt be a problem.
I covered most of this in the post
Werth has priced himself out of the Phillies market. One of the biggest problems the Phillies will have between the 2010 and 2011 seasons is that all the current big contract players (Rollins, Utley, Howard, Hamels, Holliday) contracts increase by millions of dollars, greatly tightening the Phillies budget for that offseason.
Howard does have old man skills, but more importantly, he’ll be on the wrong side of 30, cost almost $20 mill per year and won’t be able to hit lefties at all. He’s the next Jason Giambi mega contract, mega bust.
by MLB DW on Jan 5, 2010 1:13 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree in that
howard wont be a bad player, but I do agree that with his body (big) and skill set, he is due to be overpaid. The Giambi comparison is right on…
Nothing is guaranteed, he could stay in relitave good shape and finish his career strong. All I know is I dont want him on the mets for the downside of his career.
Wake up !
The way I see it, Philly will control their own destiny. I think most of the team enjoys playing here, loves the fans and loves their teammates. They have a good group. Omar should sign Brett Meyers and focus on Werth- a free-agent next year. We need to get to where they are now.
Lead, follow, or get out of the way
My point was
that the core “group” is going to be broken up by the end of 2011.
Yes, the Phillies will bring in new players, but it will change the make up of that team.
Btw, heck no to Myers and maybe to Werth. If he keeps producing, then maybe he’s worth a 2-3 year deal. But he is on the wrong side of 30 and last year he was already show signs of slowing down (even with that 4 SB / home plate steal game).
by MLB DW on Jan 5, 2010 1:18 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
This should be a fanshot, or a coment, or a nothing.
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
I vote nothing
The Mets lobby Omar for a plan, and his plan, he likes his plan. The problem is that he didn't write his plan down 'cause that makes it paperwork, and that’s false hustle... Know what I’m sayin’?
What exactly is a fanshot, asshole ?
If I’m not ridiculing Omar, I am offering solutions that I feel would help the Mets. I know some folks won’t agree with me, nor do I agree with they, but most of us have something to offer. I respect constructive criticism from others, but you (firejerrynow) are useless. Go back to the bar you came from—no just go away! I’m firing you-now! I am offering an apology for using the A word to the others using this blog. I guess I’m not allowed to have friends outside of NYC, but I live in Florida and have friends in many states as I am a truck driver. So shut your pie-hole, unless you know better. I’m a Mets fan, and that’s what I care about.
Lead, follow, or get out of the way
by myrick4gm on Jan 5, 2010 8:35 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Wow, keep it in your pants, buddy.
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jan 5, 2010 8:54 AM EST up reply actions
How about you actually try to be civil.
You really should be banned if you keep up this type of behavior.
"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green
by Stephen Schmidt on Jan 5, 2010 9:28 AM EST up reply actions
he was refering to the main article
not your comment.
Why would he say your comment should be a comment.
You should have to have a dunce cap on your name everytime you post something for a week.
you should read before you comment
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
also, if I was responding to your comment
I would’ve used the reply button
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
No team stays good forever. That's kind of the way things have always been...
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jan 5, 2010 8:28 AM EST reply actions
True
but the Phillies doomsday clock is ticking towards the 2011 offseason and it’s ticking fast
by MLB DW on Jan 5, 2010 1:20 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The thing is, most of those guys are signed at market value right now, so won't be due a huge raise.
Ibanez will probably be at retirement age by then, Howard won’t be due much of a raise to keep him there, and if Rollins continues his decline he won’t get a raise if they don’t decide to move on. Victorino and Hamels will be due raises, but getting out of Lidge and Ibanez’s contracts should easily cover those. Having all of those contracts expire should let them add some fresh blood, but it’s not like these guys are being paid next to nothing and about to become very expensive. Extending a few of them while letting the dead weight go should allow them to maintain a very good team.
"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green
by Stephen Schmidt on Jan 5, 2010 4:14 PM EST up reply actions
For what it's worth, your general point is right...
you just go about it in an extremely douchey way.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
Constructive criticism
or not responding at all is better than just slagging off on someone. Group snark isn’t very appealing.
by wobatus on Jan 5, 2010 2:34 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Ombudsman much?
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jan 5, 2010 2:41 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed
Asking a General Manager to slim down his budget is like asking an alcoholic to blow up a distillery.
by scott from peekskill on Jan 8, 2010 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
self-appointing yourself ombudsman
isn’t very appealing either.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
self-awareness
isn’t too bad though. I was making a crack at my own expense.
the phillies should just sign aroldis chapman, then it'll all be okay for them
also please don’t generalize… not all mets fans hate the phillies
A "Zeile" for avoiding outs
I think it might be the other way round
God knows I hate them.
"not all mets fans hate the phillies"
They’re pretty crappy Mets fans if they don’t. Philladelphia’s our rival, you know? The only “rival” Mets fans are allowed to not hate are the Yankees, since they’re AL and make no real difference unless both us and them make it to the World Series.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jan 5, 2010 11:58 PM EST up reply actions
it's a media-made rivalry between us and philly
i don’t see any ill will between the teams really
i consider the yankees to be our main rival… i’m not taking all of the mets fans that rooted for them in the world series seriously anymore
A "Zeile" for avoiding outs
“i don’t see any ill will between the teams really”
You should look a little harder, then- not to be a douche or anything. How many players on the Philladelphia Phillies have stated “on the record” that they enjoy beating the Mets? That they “enjoy sticking it to Jose Reyes”? Likewise, on our side, in the past, we had the Billy Wagner factor. We recently had Jose Reyes speaking up against hypocrites like Dicktorino.
“i consider the yankees to be our main rival… i’m not taking all of the mets fans that rooted for them in the world series seriously anymore”
Again, not to be douchy, but that’s plain silly. The Yankees are not a rival of the team. The Yankees can win every single game they play next season, and it has no major impact on the Mets. The Mets can win every single game they play next season, and it has no major impact on the Yankees. The Mets’ rivals are the Phillies and the Braves- Yankee FANS and Mets FANS dislike each other, for obvious reasons, but the two teams only compete for market share. Their respective performances on the field matters little to the other.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jan 6, 2010 12:18 AM EST up reply actions
“The Yankees can win every single game they play next season, and it has no major impact on the Mets. The Mets can win every single game they play next season, and it has no major impact on the Yankees”
Well, that’s not entirely true, thanks to Bud the Moron. One of them would have to lose 6 games. Still, that’s much less of an impact than the 18 games we have against the Phillies
2009 Did Not Happen
That's why I erased "no impact whatsoever", and replaced it with "no major".
It would be much easier to say no impact whatsoever, but alas…
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jan 6, 2010 12:03 PM EST up reply actions
we're not a contender in this division
our rivalry with the phillies is as existent as our rivalry with the nationals
A "Zeile" for avoiding outs
Again, you need to look a little harder.
As many people have said, were the Mets not the favorites to go to the World Series last season, predicted by numerous venues? As a whole, we’ve improved in certain areas, and regressed a little in others, but overall, as a whole, the team is just as the one predicted to get into the playoffs.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jan 6, 2010 10:36 PM EST up reply actions
I know you're not a Reyes fan, but losing him for the season in May along with Delgado pretty much killed our chances to contend last year.
Beltran missing 1/2 the season along with the injuries to Maine and Perez defenitely ended any thoughts along those lines. Putz and Johan were just the icing on a pretty spectacular cake. Seasons like that don’t happen very often, although I can see that being very difficult to really comprehend at the age of 14 (thats not an insult). I’ve been a die hard since ‘84, and I can’t remember another season like that for any team in baseball in that time. Injuries happen, but to lose all of your stars, your role players, and your bench in the same season is unheard of. Murphy and Castillo were the only opening day starters that didn’t spend time on the DL last year, and Pelfrey was the only member of the rotation that stayed off the DL and did not pitch badly enough to get released. Thats not just unlucky, thats unheard of.
"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green
by Stephen Schmidt on Jan 7, 2010 8:27 PM EST up reply actions
I was charmed by the story
of I forget which player who was traded from Philly mid-season, to whatever team we were playing at the time. During the broadcast SNY interviewed him, and he said, you know, it’s funny, last week I absolutely hated the Mets. Now, I can’t say I like them, but I don’t mind them."
"media made rivalry"
you keep saying that, and it’s the most asininely ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard in my entire life. The media made rivalry is with the Yankees. We actually play the Phillies 18 times every year, and are directly competing with them for the playoffs. Two years in a row we had a race with them that literally came down to the last few days of the season. The two teams clearly don’t like each other on the field or off of it. The fanbases come from different cities that are close enough together that we have contact with one another, and we clearly don’t like each other.
What, exactly, makes it “media made”? It might not have lasting power, but it’s most definitely real.
2009 Did Not Happen
again
i don’t get why there’s ill will against philly… they took advantage of a good situation when we blew it down the stretch in 07 and 08, we’re blaming them for that?
A "Zeile" for avoiding outs
I don't see what blame has to do with rivalries
they’re a team in our division, that automatically makes them a rival, albiet in the loosest sense. I think it’s just one of the tenets of sports that if a teams in your sports division, and you’re rountinely competing with their for play-off spots, they’re your rival, except in the nba because everyone gets in.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
umm...yes?
How is that hard to understand? You’re supposed to dislike teams in your division, especially teams that beat you. Did you dislike the Braves for taking advantage of a weak division for 15 years, or did you just say “hey, good for them, we sucked and they took advantage.”
And for me, I already hated Philly sports teams with a passion, so hating the Phillies is natural.
But let me ask you: what, exactly, makes our rivalry with the Yankees “real” and not media-made? If my math is correct, the Mets and Yankees have played each other 71 times in non-exhibition games. Only 5 of those can really be deemed “important” games. The Mets and Phillies have played each other that many times since 2006, and have played at least triple the amount of “important” games, if not quite World Series games (which are obviously impossible).
2009 Did Not Happen
the rivalry with the yankees is real
because we deal with yankees fans every day… you don’t know the shit i had to deal with after they won the world series… seeing that parade on tv was unacceptable and it can never happen again… i’d rather see the phillies win the next 15 world series than see the yankees win one more in that span… call me irrational, call me crazy, i just really hate the yankees and their fans
A "Zeile" for avoiding outs
What?
I don’t understand this at all. There is no rivalry with the yankees we’re not competing with them for anything. I mean if you moved to boston would you say we have a rivalry with the red sox because you have to deal with their fans everyday? Or do you think Angels fans consider the Dodgers a bigger rival than Seattle? There’s a difference between you personally disliking the yankees and their fans and the mets having a rivalry wqith them.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
again
i’d rather see the phillies be successful than the yankees
i don’t want to give yankees fans the satisfaction of winning
if i knew even a single phillies fan, maybe it’d be different… but as it is now, i know a grand total of zero phillies fans
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by metsguy234 on Jan 6, 2010 11:00 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
But no one's asking who you'd rather see win
we’re talking about who is a mets rival.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
yes
the yankees are a rival, if they win against us i have to hear about it in the morning
i don’t have to hear from phillies fans if they beat us, easy difference
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by metsguy234 on Jan 7, 2010 6:48 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Sure you do. It's called the internet.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jan 7, 2010 7:25 AM EST up reply actions
ok i think the disctinction here is Mets fans and Yankees fans have a bitter rivalry
but between actual teams, the real rivalry is between Mets and Phils by definition since they’re in the same division and face each other 18 times per year.
by KeithsMoustache on Jan 7, 2010 11:46 AM EST up reply actions
no that means you dislike the yankees and find their fans annoying
it doesn’t mean they’re our rivals. thats a personal issue.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
Alright: You are irrational and crazy.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jan 6, 2010 10:37 PM EST up reply actions
"seeing that parade on tv was unacceptable and it can never happen again"
This is adorable. You’re 14, you’ve got approximately 19 Yankees championships yet to witness in your lifetime.
at this rate they might get there before he hits 40
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
Really?
He’s basically my least favorite of all of them. Reminds me of the annoying little brother I never had.
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jan 7, 2010 8:49 AM EST up reply actions
but, see, that's not a rivalry. That's you not liking Yankees fans
I understand that, but right now, in my life, I know more Phillies fans than Yankees fans. I have to deal with them pretty much every day. Seeing their parade on TV was unnaceptable and it can never happen again. I’d rather see the Yankees win the next 15 World Series than see the Phillies win one more in that span. Call me irrational, call me crazy, I just really hate the Phillies and their fans.
See, everything I wrote above is 100% true. However, that doesn’t define a “rivalry”. I’m sure a Mets fan who moves to Atlanta or St. Louis or Los Angeles could replace Phillies with “Braves” or “Cardinals” or “Dodgers.” Everyone has their own personal reasons for hating one team more than another. But what defines a rivalry is what happens on the field, and on the field, over the past 4 seasons, the Mets and Phillies have developed a truly antagonistic rivalry. The fact that the two cities are so close to one another just increases the bad blood between the fans. That is the very definition of a rivalry.
2009 Did Not Happen
by cjmulrain on Jan 7, 2010 9:54 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
philly has a lot of nice players too
the only time i actively root against them is when we’re fighting for a division spot against them
A "Zeile" for avoiding outs
Yeah but Philly also has Victorino
and he’s the anti-christ.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
by Gina on Jan 6, 2010 12:15 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Who am I describing?
This player is a switch hitter.
This player throws right handed.
This player is a career .280+ hitter.
This player is known for his speed.
This player led the league in triples, in a single year.
This player is an All-Star.
This player is known for what some might consider showboating, that includes, but is not limited to, excessive high-five gestures and/or pointing.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jan 6, 2010 12:43 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It'd be pretty irrational to dislike one, but not mind the other, no?
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jan 6, 2010 10:37 PM EST up reply actions
it'd be irrational
and crazy
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
i dislike jose reyes
i dont like shane victorino that much, but i’m not calling for his death like some people seem to be
A "Zeile" for avoiding outs
this is because
you hate america
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
by Gina on Jan 6, 2010 11:10 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Reyes
Asking a General Manager to slim down his budget is like asking an alcoholic to blow up a distillery.
by scott from peekskill on Jan 8, 2010 1:49 PM EST up reply actions
the braves are worse, and chipper the worstest
by Pack Bringley on Jan 6, 2010 12:52 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah I probably hate Chipper Jones more than any sports player on any team
but I also respect him a lot more than Victorino. Chipper Jones is obnoxiously good, Victorino is just obnoxious.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
Agreed. Jones, you hate him because he's good, and burns you. That's a whole different kind of hate.
That’s like, grudging respect. Victorino, he’s just a dick. Very few redeeming qualities.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jan 6, 2010 1:03 AM EST up reply actions
he is pretty decent to pretty good.
but not nearly as good as he apparently thinks he is.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
yeah but he's murder when he plays the Mets
I agree however that I hate him in a respectful way. Dicktorino has done nothing to earn anyones respect. He’s just douchey.
by KeithsMoustache on Jan 6, 2010 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
Funny thing.
A few Met-fan friends— including the fiancee— have met a mess of Phillies (between working for Philadephia nonprofits and in New York hospitality) over the last couple of years.
The consensus: Hamels was kind but kind of dumb. Howard, Moyer and— surprise— Victorino were the three nicest Phils, charming and gracious with their time and with inconveniences. On the other hand, Utley, Werth and Burrell (formerly) were absolute wastes of humanity. Difficult to deal with and crude, to a man.
by LeiterMilnerFasterStronger on Jan 6, 2010 1:37 AM EST up reply actions
Victorino is a terrible person
and I refuse to accept otherwise
The Mets lobby Omar for a plan, and his plan, he likes his plan. The problem is that he didn't write his plan down 'cause that makes it paperwork, and that’s false hustle... Know what I’m sayin’?
Just go by that old addage...
If it looks like a douche and acts like a douche, it must be a douche.
"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green
by Stephen Schmidt on Jan 6, 2010 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
Of course Victorino is nice
it’s all part of his plan, as the anti-christ.
in other news it seems random that Werth would be douchey, mostly because he was a nobody/AAAA player until the Phillies pulled him off the scrap heap.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
Doesn't surprise me. Look at him!
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jan 6, 2010 11:27 AM EST up reply actions
Werth, Burrell and Utley
All first round picks, instant millionaires. Well, Werth got $885k as an 18 year old. A lot more in today’s dollars. Burrell was top pick overall.
Howard, Victorino and Moyer were 5th-6th rounders. Howard got $235k to sign.
A vast generalization, but just a thought that popped in my head. A lot of these guys are coddled their whole lives. Of course, Hamels was a number one pick too, so his dumb but nice thing throws the whole non-theory out the window.
I don’t hate the Phils or their players, or any opposing teams’ players. I don’t know them. From what I understand Victorino has done some classless things on the ball field, so I accept the verdict here. And I did hate Pete Rose for trying to beat up Bud Harrelson and for ruining Ray Fosse’s career. But all I want is for the Mets to beat them. That’s it.
In my mind, I could see all of those
except Utley switched with Torino, and Hamels having douchey qualities too. I mean, did you SEE those ads he was in?!?!?
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
What did Francisco do?
The Mets lobby Omar for a plan, and his plan, he likes his plan. The problem is that he didn't write his plan down 'cause that makes it paperwork, and that’s false hustle... Know what I’m sayin’?
Which is every year...
since they play in the same division.
"For $11.4 million you can actually get a good player. But of course this is one of the things foolish organizations do: They complain that they can't afford good players after spending millions of dollars on not-good players." --Rob Neyer
Flagged as inappropriate.
The reason:
It says “i [sic] dislike jose reyes [sic].” Jose Reyes happens to be the fucking man and is awesome at baseball.
He also writes “I dont [sic] like shane victorino [sic] that much…” Shane Victorino is one of the biggest douchebags in baseball and in the world in general. Thus, it is wrong to only dislike him “not… that much.” It is the duty of all good people to hate that man.
"For $11.4 million you can actually get a good player. But of course this is one of the things foolish organizations do: They complain that they can't afford good players after spending millions of dollars on not-good players." --Rob Neyer
by boom_roasted on Jan 7, 2010 3:51 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
no
Reyes, god I’ve gone through it so many times now… I just hate that guy. good baseball player but just ugh I don’t like him at all.
Victorino can at least be serious. The only thing I don’t get was why he reported the guy who threw beer at him in Wrigley to the police. Other than that he’s fine IMO
A "Zeile" for avoiding outs
Two possible reasons:
A) He’s not grissiony enough to accept having beer thrown at him.
B) He’s so grissiony, he was pissed off at the fact that it was light beer that was thrown at him.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jan 7, 2010 7:27 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
i'm actually ok with you disliking reyes on a personal level as long as you admit he's a good baseball player
We’re all allowed our opinions as to how we feel about someone, as long as you’re not denying that he’s a great player, I don’t care if you like or hate the guy.
I personally love watching him play though, and am excited to see him hit his first triple next year since thats when the baseball season officially starts as far as i’m concerned.
Also Victorino takes cheap shots at Mets players on the basepath, and argues balls and strikes from center field loud enough to get thrown out of a game. Hardly good sportsmanship. Plus when a fan tried to give him a free beer he got all pissed off just cause he couldn’t catch it. Not the fans fault he lost it in the lights.
by KeithsMoustache on Jan 7, 2010 11:51 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
HA!
I still laugh at watching replays of that.
by wrightttxgirlllx3 on Jan 7, 2010 6:54 PM EST up reply actions
Sad as that was, that may have been the highlight of the season for me.
It’s either that, Pelfrey falling off the mound (not a good thing, but it was funny as hell), or Senor Short Swing takin Papelbon over the monster (I hate Papelbon almost as much as I hate Dick-torino). It really wasn’t a very good season…
"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green
by Stephen Schmidt on Jan 8, 2010 11:14 AM EST up reply actions
i was at the game senor short swing took papelbon deep
It was a glorious moment… the sox fans around me were unappreciative of my happiness however.
by KeithsMoustache on Jan 8, 2010 3:39 PM EST up reply actions
"Plus when a fan tried to give him a free beer he got all pissed off just cause he couldn’t catch it. Not the fans fault he lost it in the lights."
Haha, awesome!
Asking a General Manager to slim down his budget is like asking an alcoholic to blow up a distillery.
by scott from peekskill on Jan 8, 2010 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
he was pretty serious in that last interview he did.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
I agree with Gina:
When the devil shows up, he ain’t gonna have horns, a tail & a pitchfork…
Oh, the butcher and the baker and the people on the street: wheredotheygo?!?!?
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Oh, the butcher and the baker and the people on the street: wheredotheygo?!?!?
"roids worked wonders for Bonds. Maybe they can keep Raul going into his early 40s."
Haha, one of the funniest things ever!
Asking a General Manager to slim down his budget is like asking an alcoholic to blow up a distillery.
by scott from peekskill on Jan 8, 2010 1:40 PM EST reply actions
Agreed
Definitely an amusing post and I have to agree on the Cliff Lee assertion. Amaro sent the wrong message to the fanbase and the team, and revealed his major concerns… namely the financial constraints of the team and a depleted farm system.
He essentially gave up their # 2-7 prospects for one season of Halladay, half a season of Cliff Lee and 3 Mariners prospects who project as nothing more than role players (RP, RP, speedy OF in the Bourn mold).
All hail amaro… he’s following the Omar school of failure perfectly.
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