Matt Holliday Signs Seven-Year, $120 Million Deal With Cardinals
by Eric Simon on Jan 5, 2010 6:02 PM EST
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PrintPer Jon Heyman. That's seven guaranteed years at just over $17 million a year. The annual amount isn't far above what Jason Bay signed for, but the Cardinals had to commit to three more guaranteed years (two if Bay's option vests). $54 million more in guaranteed money means this deal was quite a bit beyond Bay's deal.
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now, let's screw Boston out of the Mets 2nd round pick for signing Bay, and sign Valverde and
Houston will get the Mets’ 2nd rounder, while Boston Beaners get the 3rd round. Besides, I
like Valverde as the set-up guy.
Wtf is Valverde really rated higher than Bay?
there’s something wrong with the world.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
not really surprised
and kind of glad we’re not paying that much money to anyone. These long contracts have a way of coming back and biting you in the ass (see vernon wells)
Well
That’s a big commitment. Good luck to them.
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jan 5, 2010 6:21 PM EST reply actions
Matthew Broderick
Is already thinking about the Mariners instead.
by wobatus on Jan 5, 2010 6:37 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
So, does the Bay deal look a little better now?
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
Yeah. Score one for Omar
"Never throw a slider to The Glider."
- Ed Charles, No. 5
I'd still rather have Holliday
But at least the contract spread is a sizeable difference.
- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter
This
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jan 5, 2010 11:42 PM EST up reply actions
And the length of the contract is appropriate for hday7
But seriously, this definitely makes Bay deal look better in my mind
And figure
that if we would have gone all in on Holliday and tried to outbid the Cards, he might have cost even more.
Definitely would have
He would have gotten closer to the “Texeira contract” Boras was pushing.
Trying to believe is my full-time occupation.
I wonder if the Cards have the same tailor as the Mets.
I need to go shopping and get me a vest.
you know what I'm sayin' ?
What is and isn't allowed to trigger a vesting option?
Someone said you can’t base it on production — i.e. hit 20 HR and it vests.
by Pack Bringley on Jan 5, 2010 8:53 PM EST up reply actions
Omar must have the NY sportswriters in his back pocket ...
… like Adam Rubin. lol.
"Never throw a slider to The Glider."
- Ed Charles, No. 5
I'd hate to have an option like that which is totally in the control of the MSM.
At least Bay’s is actually triggered by things he and the Mets do.
"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green
by Stephen Schmidt on Jan 5, 2010 10:58 PM EST up reply actions
I was expecting him to appear at the press conference and push Bay off the stage, injuring him, or something.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jan 6, 2010 12:35 AM EST up reply actions
It's always seemed odd to me...
… that player performance-based bonuses/incentives are iffy/frowned upon by the union, but awards like this being a vesting/bonus determiner get a big labor-y thumbs-up.
by LeiterMilnerFasterStronger on Jan 6, 2010 1:45 AM EST up reply actions
Finally, some activity....Mets need pitching at all costs....trade...free agency...whatever it takes.
What I’d like to see is creativity from Omar. Let say for exmple, Castillo to Cubs for any package and in turn the Mets receive a Reds or Indians pitcher. Make the money and players available in the right package or mix and
make everybody happy. In play Holt, Flores, Niese,Santos, Pagan, and single A prospects.
Stop saying "at all costs".
We need pitching, but we don’t need it bad enough to have another Ollie contract to land Joel Piniero.
"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green
by Stephen Schmidt on Jan 5, 2010 10:35 PM EST up reply actions
Um... I... um...
… hat’s off to Omar?
by LeiterMilnerFasterStronger on Jan 5, 2010 8:29 PM EST reply actions
I'm just so sick of the omar sycophancy on this blog!
Cut it out!
jk
by Pack Bringley on Jan 5, 2010 8:35 PM EST up reply actions
Using CHONE and BtB UZR projections and -0.5 WAR per season,
The Cardinals are paying $5.4 million per win for Hday7, and the Mets are paying $9.4 million per win. (Both don’t include vesting options). Bay is only projected for 2.5 WAR which some might think is too low (it does follow -0.5 WAR though). Starting Bay out with 3.0 WAR comes out with the Mets paying $7.3 million per win. I don’t think making 7 year commitments to 30 year olds if a good idea, but it doesn’t make the Bay deal any better. Mike Cameron would have been the much better option.
This a Beltran like deal to player who is not as good.
Omar made the right call here and deserves some credit.
But the Beltran deal was what 4 years ago?
Now Beltran would get a deal similar to Tex, 21-23 million per over 7-8
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
Well not now
But 27 year old Beltran hitting the open market today
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
Oh I agree he would deserve it
I’m just saying that this deal isn’t really the same as the deal given to Beltran at the time.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
This somewhat makes me feel better about the Bay deal.
Strong emphasis on “somewhat.”
Beer is good! And stuff!
Agreed. I'd still rather have hday7 out there, but that's a REAL long time...
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jan 5, 2010 11:44 PM EST up reply actions
Hday7 in 4 years projects to be like Bay now in terms of production
But Hday7’s contract has the risk of him collapsing. And there is also the aspect of putting the most talent into one roster spot, and winning now, and getting greater fan support.
I think the Cards look dumb
by signing Holliday for 7 years. What other team was willing to give him even 6 years?
"Never throw a slider to The Glider."
- Ed Charles, No. 5
The Birds may have been bidding against themselves, but
prior to this, most of the discussion I read on this site and elsewhere figured that 6/100 for Holliday would be a steal. This is only slightly more than that. He’s also apparently a little more valuable than Teixiera, who got 8/180 last offseason.
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