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Meet GM Candidate Rick Hahn

Of all the candidates interviewing for the Mets GM position this week, the one with the largest gap between reputation and what we actually know about him is almost certainly White Sox assistant general manager Rick Hahn. We know Baseball America had him ranked as the #1 GM prospect in baseball earlier this year (link is here, but it's behind their pay wall so you'll have to take my word for it). Baseball Prospectus ran a similar list two years ago that ranked Hahn #3 overall behind Red Sox assistant GM Jed Hoyer and now-Mariners-GM Jack Zduriencik. We think Hahn might be into sabermetrics but we're not really sure.

That's about all I knew about him before I started poking around a bit. I've managed to cobble together some other bits of information, mainly from this interview and a conversation with South Side Sox, and dare I say we're beginning to see the rudiments of a GM profile!

  • Hahn grew up a Cubs fan and graduated from New Trier High School in Winnetka, Illinois.
  • As a 12-year-old he would send letters to Cubs GM Dallas Green with trade proposals. Green would occasionally write back.
  • He holds degrees from the University of Michigan, Harvard Law School, and Kellogg Graduate School of Management at Northwestern University.
  • At Kellogg he studied things like "finance, statistical analysis, regression analysis, [and] accounting methods", which he thought would be useful tools to have when he eventually joined a big league front office.
  • While still at Kellogg, Hahn took a position with the sports agency Steinberg, Moorad & Dunn, the firm of superagent Jeff Moorad (who now owns parts of the Padres and Diamondbacks). Hahn's time there would provide him valuable experience he would later use while negotiating player contracts from the other side of the table.
  • He left Moorad's agency in 2000 and was hired shortly thereafter as an assistant to newly-appointed White Sox GM Kenny Williams (who was previously the team's farm director).
  • He was a candidate for the Cardinals GM job after the 2007 season but withdrew his name before John Mozeliak got the job.
  • He declined to meet with the Pirates regarding their GM vacancy in September 2007. That job went to Neal Huntington.
  • Hahn was not given permission to interview with the Mariners following the 2008 season for the GM position that eventually went to Jack Z.
  • He has negotiated a half-billion dollars worth of contracts for the White Sox, including those of Paul Konerko and Mark Buehrle.
  • In discussing Gavin Floyd's slow start in 2009 (and most years), Hahn cited Floyd's FIP and how it was lower than his ERA as a rationale for not worrying needlessly (ed. note: this was relayed to me anecdotally by The Cheat at South Side Sox).

It's difficult to know what kind of GM a guy will be if he's never truly had the opportunity to flex his muscles in that capacity, but Hahn's diverse experiences in business school (studying regression analysis), player representation, and contract negotiation suggest a well-rounded candidate who works well with others and seems open to the (potentially) bright ideas of the people who surround him. It appears that Hahn is being groomed to replace Kenny Williams sooner rather than later, so if he doesn't get a chance to run the show with the Mets then the opportunity to do so with the White Sox could be right around the corner.

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Nice writeup Eric. This is for you and others-

Who do you like more between Hahn and Alderson? We know from his history (and “Moneyball”) that Alderson believes in statistical analysis. Hahn clearly believes in the nuances of mathematics in baseball as well. They will both give us a sabermetric approach that we desperately need. I’m starting to actually lean Hahn over Alderson, but it’s tough because we know Alderson can get the job done based on his track record. I don’t know, we’ll be fine either way I think.

Thoughts?

by Salz on Oct 13, 2010 10:21 AM EDT reply actions  

i am waiting for the shoe to drop

I cant possibly like both top candidates for the mets can I? When does the report come out that the mets are going to interview Al Leiter for the position?

I am a fan of both the mets and knicks... so just kill me now.

by gbaked on Oct 13, 2010 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Alderson

Because the most important thing to me (after the baseline requirement of a smart baseball thought process, which a number of these guys seem to have) is a guy with the weight and experience to deal with Wilpon as COO. In a GM for this team, I think that makes or breaks the job.

by SuperT on Oct 13, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

probably true

but the entire met organization needs an overhaul and I do not think Hahn has the experience for something like that. Gotta like the tools, though.

by jdon on Oct 13, 2010 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

He declined to meet with the Pirates regarding their GM vacancy in September 2007.

This tells me all I need to know about his judgment.

"I get up every morning determined to both change the world and have one hell of a good time. Sometimes this makes planning my day difficult." ~ E. B. White

by CTRefJay on Oct 13, 2010 10:54 AM EDT reply actions  

It's difficult to imagine any young, highly-educated

non-former ballplayer NOT being sabermetrically inclined. I mean, what would be the reason?

by Pack Bringley on Oct 13, 2010 11:21 AM EDT reply actions  

it would seem weird to me that those who come from arbitration backgrounds

wouldn’t be metric inclined.

mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon (and Billy King-Paul G B)

by Gina on Oct 13, 2010 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Here
"You lose a lot of credibility with an arbitrator if you have a guy who had a monster year and you start pissing all over him," says Michael Vlessides, who has faced most leading baseball agents on behalf of various MLB teams over the course of the past two decades.

"Really that’s not the starting point for Bautista," Vlessides said. "He had 54 home runs and as esoteric as baseball analysis has become over the years, arbitration remains a fairly simplistic processWe don’t talk about win shares or anything along those lines. So 54 home runs and 124 RBI is pretty sexy and this guy is not going at $6MM."

MLBTR on Bautista arbitration.

by Michkin on Oct 13, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Very true...

While transactional guys (like agents and FA experts negotiating a contract) might use advanced terms to argue about real value versus value expressed in traditional stat lines behind closed doors, the art of arguing arbitration, much like the art of arguing before a judge, is as much art as science, if not more. The appearance that you are arguing in bad faith, even with good data, may very well turn out to be worse for you than an argument apparently in good faith with bad numbers (like, “we understand that he hit 54 HRs and 124 RBI, but he’s getting older and Players A, B, and C fell off after a similar season at this age”).

I would be very worried that an arbitrator, especially an older one who has been doing this for a while, would take a WAR argument to have been made in bad faith when it diverges from traditional stats, especially because any litigator would immediately point out that even two major providers of WAR data can’t agree on numbers for many players. A good litigator could poke all sorts of holes in most advanced metrics, whether these criticisms were perfectly founded or not.

It's a triumph of number crunching over the human spirit...aaaaaand, it’s about time. --Vin Scully, The Simpsons.

by MookieTheCat on Oct 13, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

My guess is that a lot of folks who are good at arbitration...

Were trained at litigators, as opposed to transactional/business people. Among lawyers you rarely see a transactional expert excel at arbitration (though it does occur), because the skill sets are different.

It's a triumph of number crunching over the human spirit...aaaaaand, it’s about time. --Vin Scully, The Simpsons.

by MookieTheCat on Oct 13, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wonder if we'll see some university

build a highly-reputable graduate program in baseball management, with courses in business management, statistical analysis, contract law, player analysis & scouting, etc. etc. It sounds like Hahn went to the Kellogg school to gain just this sort of training and it would easily attract the Hahns of the world, not to mention a lot of retired GM looking to remain important by professing.

by Pack Bringley on Oct 13, 2010 11:36 AM EDT reply actions  

The economics of this would not support it...

There are not enough jobs for grads of such a program, especially as Hahn proves that the obsessed among us can make their way to this goal via traditional business programs (some of which allow students to have a sports management focus). Much of the baseball-specific terms are similar to equations used in other types of businesses, at least with respect to the underlying math.

It's a triumph of number crunching over the human spirit...aaaaaand, it’s about time. --Vin Scully, The Simpsons.

by MookieTheCat on Oct 13, 2010 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Precisely

why go to school to allegedly “learn” what’s best picked up on the job. People act like schools are intellectual or professional toasters. Pop ’em in and they come out fine with no further work. Maybe some postgraduate work would be like butter or jam. Mmmm. Toast.

by tmu on Oct 13, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Heh

Some aspects are so damn specific (MLB law, player analysis and scouting) that it would be hard to move to another area. Those who actually work in MLB offices and have something useful to teach could be reluctant to share how their clubs work. Furthermore, they don’t have any incentive to do so, they are handsomely paid for their services already. So, instead of having Theo, they would have Steve as teacher.

by Michkin on Oct 13, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

ouch

replied the offspring of two teachers…

"I get up every morning determined to both change the world and have one hell of a good time. Sometimes this makes planning my day difficult." ~ E. B. White

by CTRefJay on Oct 13, 2010 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

oops

I meant to make fun of Steve Phillips, not your parents, of course

by JoshNY on Oct 13, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

or film school

There are some jobs in film, but there are SO MANY film schools it’s a joke, maybe more so than 1 grad program to feed into MLB.

But yeah, Michkin’s right.

by Pack Bringley on Oct 13, 2010 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Harvard sucks

But Hahn does sound like a really smart guy. Certainly seems preferable to, like, Steve Phillips 2.0 anyway.

by JoshNY on Oct 13, 2010 11:58 AM EDT reply actions  

New Trier sucks, too

It would be painful for the South Siders to give their team over to a north side twat like that. He better come be assistant GM to Alderston.

by Pack Bringley on Oct 13, 2010 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah like how duke sucks

except duke is actually a bastion of evil

mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon (and Billy King-Paul G B)

by Gina on Oct 13, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Everyone I know who went to Duke is really cool.

So snark aside, there really isn’t anything wrong with Duke that isn’t wrong with every other private school in the country.

Thus Spoke Keith Hernandez

Let's never bunt again.

by Thomas Wachtel on Oct 13, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

except they're privately funded by the Saddam Hussein, Castro, Chavez, Hitler's estate

and the Devil

mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon (and Billy King-Paul G B)

by Gina on Oct 13, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Unless you're getting a scholarship

I really don’t understand the whole school pride thing.

by Evan_S on Oct 13, 2010 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

heh

yeah, my good friend’s wife went there and she’s one of the nicest people you’ll ever meet. it’s the over the top, Eckstein-reminiscent media adulation that makes them so annoying.

by JoshNY on Oct 13, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I mean

that and them being funded by the Devil, of course

by JoshNY on Oct 13, 2010 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

heh

that chick (the author of the books, that is, not the Devil) graduated from college with me. Jon Daniels too. makes me feel like I’ve accomplished very little in comparison.

by JoshNY on Oct 13, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I went to college with...

John Legend. I feel your pain.

It's a triumph of number crunching over the human spirit...aaaaaand, it’s about time. --Vin Scully, The Simpsons.

by MookieTheCat on Oct 13, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

thats what you guys get for going to ivy leagues

it will be a sad day for the world if any of the morons I’m going to graduate with accomplishes greatness

mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon (and Billy King-Paul G B)

by Gina on Oct 13, 2010 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

aren't you at UNC?

plenty of success stories from there, even if you exclude professional athletes. (because, I mean, comparing yourself to Lawrence Taylor is just unfair.)

by JoshNY on Oct 13, 2010 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah I am

but I think they must have lowered their standards for my class and on.

mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon (and Billy King-Paul G B)

by Gina on Oct 13, 2010 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

you know, it's interesting

it seems like there are plenty of articles out there (see, for example, this article about the application numbers and acceptance rates at Cornell) saying that the college admissions process is as competitive as it’s ever been, owing to (as I understand it) the sheer number of kids applying these days (due to the size of the generation that’s currently college-aged and the perception that you need at least a bachelor’s degree to have a good career, regardless of whether or not that perception is true).

and, yet, anecdotally, I feel like I’ve heard a lot of people saying what you are, that they feel like kids in college these days (take it for what it’s worth, given that I’m using the phrase “kids these days”), who should, you would think, be intelligent and driven, actually leave much to be desired.

but again, anecdotally, so please don’t flame me if you disagree.

by JoshNY on Oct 13, 2010 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, couldn't it just be that the general aptitude isn't as high as it used to be?

Thereby preserving the competitiveness of college admission, but lowering the overall intelligence.

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by Ogre39666 on Oct 13, 2010 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

It could be

It would be quite disconcerting if that were the case, though.

by JoshNY on Oct 13, 2010 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

*sigh*

yeah, I know. like I said, disconcerting.

by JoshNY on Oct 13, 2010 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

while it's a sad commentary on our nation

it sure does make my job outlook a whole lot brighter than many career paths. Engineers come at quite a premium

Hey, wait! I'm having one of those things. You know? A headache with pictures?

by KeithsMoustache on Oct 13, 2010 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

My dad works for Lockheed Martin

so I know a fair amount about your situation.

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by Ogre39666 on Oct 13, 2010 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

hey my mom does too

small world

mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon (and Billy King-Paul G B)

by Gina on Oct 13, 2010 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

There are more applying

but colleges are taking more to drive up profits, so they’re watering down their actual qualifications. It’s not that the number of hard working intelligent people has gone down, it’s the percentage that has decreased because the number people who normally wouldn’t have been accepted to these schools who are now going is increasing. I’ve seen my fair share of it here, having been at the same school for the last 8 years and counting.

Hey, wait! I'm having one of those things. You know? A headache with pictures?

by KeithsMoustache on Oct 13, 2010 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

John Legend is the tip of the iceberg...

I made a list of everyone I went to school with and is either a billionaire or has a not-self-made Wiki page about a year ago. It was depressing.

The funny thing is that I hated John Stevens’ (his real name) a capella group. Not that they were bad—by all accounts they were really good—but after the 3rd week of freshman year you never want to hear a capella ever again.

It's a triumph of number crunching over the human spirit...aaaaaand, it’s about time. --Vin Scully, The Simpsons.

by MookieTheCat on Oct 13, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lol thats how I felt about them

I heard them during orientation and was like holy crap that’s the coolest thing ever, then heard one during my first weekend here…then heard another, and another and another and another and was done.

mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon (and Billy King-Paul G B)

by Gina on Oct 13, 2010 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

maybe I will

change my last name to Legend. Hmmm. Maybe Myth would serve me better.

by jdon on Oct 13, 2010 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Same here.

Hofstra.

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by Ogre39666 on Oct 13, 2010 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

.

the greatest trick the devil ever pulled, was convincing the world he didn’t exist.

mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon (and Billy King-Paul G B)

by Gina on Oct 13, 2010 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Where's that "goquakers"...

Guy when I need him.

It's a triumph of number crunching over the human spirit...aaaaaand, it’s about time. --Vin Scully, The Simpsons.

by MookieTheCat on Oct 13, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

FSU!

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by Ogre39666 on Oct 13, 2010 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

FSU!

I miss that guy.

It's a triumph of number crunching over the human spirit...aaaaaand, it’s about time. --Vin Scully, The Simpsons.

by MookieTheCat on Oct 13, 2010 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

He sounds like an excellent Assistant GM

But I’m not sure I’d want to commit several years of my Mets fandom to see if he actually has some overarching philosophy other than using regression analysis. I suppose he could listen to the “baseball people” just as easily as the “baseball people” could listen to him. It all depends on how he delegates, etc., but it does sound like he’ll have a healthy quantitative understanding of why you don’t give an unproductive, aging has-been two extra years because he’s allegedly a great clubhouse guy. Also, the lazy notion that fancy degrees = intelligence = competence (problems with both inferences) is something of a pet peeve. Billy Beane has (gasp!) no law degree. . . .

by tmu on Oct 13, 2010 12:54 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

It's not just the degrees

it’s the whole picture, of which the degrees are a part. “Fancy degrees” don’t necessarily equal intelligence or competence, but a guy who’s gotten into and graduated from three pretty prestigious schools tends to be doing something right. And they’re definitely not something to avoid or dismiss.

Thus Spoke Keith Hernandez

Let's never bunt again.

by Thomas Wachtel on Oct 13, 2010 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

He tends to be doing something right on his applications

I admit, though, that those degrees probably meant a lot more when he got them than they do now. Compared to his baseball experience, though, the degrees are really trivia. (And Alderson has a Harvard law degree, anyway.)

by tmu on Oct 13, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

This.

We dont know enough about Hahn. The White Sox have been ok, but not anything special and not too statistically advanced either. If Hahn is such a great SABR guy, then I would conclude that he lacks the leadership that would have enabled him to implement more of a statistical approach. All in all, there are some good bullet points on him, but there are also unanswered questions.

Excellent - everybody knows that.

by borasblog on Oct 13, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

well, I mean

nobody’s really advocating hiring him without an interview to address these unanswered questions, right?

by JoshNY on Oct 13, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes

But who is doing the interview? Jeff is not capable of asking and evaluating the responses to these questions.

Excellent - everybody knows that.

by borasblog on Oct 13, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

if we were to assume that to be true...

the same would be the case for all of the candidates, no?

by JoshNY on Oct 13, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yessir

That’s why we dont want a candidate with any question marks.

"We have a philosophy and we’re going to find a manager who is going to implement that philosophy. We’re not looking for someone to tell us how to run the team, or upon which theory it should be predicated. We already have that. We want someone who is going to implement it for us."
-Sandy Alderson

by borasblog on Oct 13, 2010 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

We should just hire the best guy possible

and not let the Wilpon’s stupidity get in the way

There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ

The 2011 Mets- Rock bottom: We haven't reached it yet

by Syler on Oct 13, 2010 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

we should just make Alderson team Sultan

and have him hire everyone else

mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon (and Billy King-Paul G B)

by Gina on Oct 13, 2010 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I doubt Jeff will let him do that.

by lupojohn3 on Oct 13, 2010 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Other interesting note about Steinberg, Moorad & Dunn...

Leigh Steinberg, another name partner, is believed to be the inspiration for Jerry Maguire.

It's a triumph of number crunching over the human spirit...aaaaaand, it’s about time. --Vin Scully, The Simpsons.

by MookieTheCat on Oct 13, 2010 3:04 PM EDT reply actions  

Didn't he also play a cameo as Aikman's agent in that?

Btw, if you’re around, I watched “I am a Fugitive from a Chain Gang”. It’s absolutely fantastic.

by pkyankeefan on Oct 13, 2010 4:13 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I think you're right...

Yeah that movie is incredible. Really captures the spirit of the time.

It's a triumph of number crunching over the human spirit...aaaaaand, it’s about time. --Vin Scully, The Simpsons.

by MookieTheCat on Oct 13, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

In all honesty, if the time was right, i’d hire Hahn. Nothing but impressive stuff was in that article. He’s young, seems bright, and will probably make for an excellent GM, but we need experience, and someone like Alderson is the way to go. A no-nonsense GM is what this team needs. Plus, he has a track record, and Bud(if you read the Sunday Post) wants him to get the job. As a side note, tell me why Fred has let Jeff control things for a while now, after all those years of him running the show.

by lupojohn3 on Oct 13, 2010 5:51 PM EDT reply actions  

Fred is 74

Probably just part of the torch-passing process.

Hmm… Bud wanting Alderson to get the job makes me a bit nervous that he won’t defy Bud on issues like going over slot. I guess that’s what the interview process is for.

by JoshNY on Oct 13, 2010 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

JoshNY

The exact quotes were(courtesy of Joel Sherman): an ally of Alderson’s said, ‘’He would not throw his hat into the ring to satisfy his ego or for the experience of going through the process’‘. Sherman: ’’Once commisionner Bud Selig granted permission for Alderson to interview next Thursday or Friday, that meant he wanted Alderson to get the job—-badly’’. A friend of the commissioner said the following: ‘’Bud has allegiance to Fred [Wilpon] and does not want a team in New York to be this kind of mess’’.

by lupojohn3 on Oct 13, 2010 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

sounds reasonable

sorry if I misunderstood what you were saying

by JoshNY on Oct 13, 2010 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Before Fred passes the torch...

Can someone douse Jeff in gasoline?

I kid, I kid. I kid because I love this team.

It's a triumph of number crunching over the human spirit...aaaaaand, it’s about time. --Vin Scully, The Simpsons.

by MookieTheCat on Oct 13, 2010 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sounds a good candidate

so far the only question mark for me has been why the Mets interviewed Baird.
Both Alderson and Hahn have more impressive resumes

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by firejerrynow on Oct 13, 2010 6:02 PM EDT reply actions  

It's not the Mets way if they don't involve at least a small possibiltiy of fucking up

There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ

The 2011 Mets- Rock bottom: We haven't reached it yet

by Syler on Oct 13, 2010 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

That would be Byrnes.

by lupojohn3 on Oct 13, 2010 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

byrnes wouldnt be fucking up

mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon (and Billy King-Paul G B)

by Gina on Oct 13, 2010 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

What makes you say that? Should Byrnes get an interview?

by lupojohn3 on Oct 13, 2010 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

????

Have you seen the insane amount of talent that came through that Arizona system?

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by Ogre39666 on Oct 13, 2010 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I see that the ‘’insane talent’’ you are referring to finished in last place this year, and I believe last year, as well. True, hiring Hinch was mindless, but still.

by lupojohn3 on Oct 14, 2010 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

...

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by Ogre39666 on Oct 14, 2010 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

The chart!

It's a triumph of number crunching over the human spirit...aaaaaand, it’s about time. --Vin Scully, The Simpsons.

by MookieTheCat on Oct 14, 2010 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

The chart meaning what?

by lupojohn3 on Oct 15, 2010 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

It means that if one exercises good process, but gets a bad result

the process shouldn’t be ridiculed and abandoned.

Just because the Diamandbacks had two bad years record-wise, doesn’t mean the Byrnes wasn’t exercising good process/doing a good job as GM. That system was loaded with talent, most of which is now
1) at the MLB level with the Diamondbacks: J. Upton, Drew, Reynolds, Montero, Chris Young, Juan Gutierrez, Enright, Ryal, Allen, Parra
2) with Arizona but hurt: Webb
3) on other teams: Carlos Gonzalez, Brett Anderson, Scherzer, Quinton, Chris Carter (OAK), Cunningham, Dana Eveland, Alberto Callaspo, Chris Snyder, Daniel Schlereth, Emilio Bonifacio, Micah Owings
4) or almost there: Jarrod Parker, Bobby Borchering

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by Ogre39666 on Oct 15, 2010 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ogre39666

Just because he brought all that talent to the majors, doesn’t mean it’s a winning team. Yes, he deserves full credit for bringing all of that to the majors, but still………..

I know you or anyone else probably won’t do this, but i’d like to see a list of players he got for all of the ones he traded away. I mean, we’re talking some serious players(Gonzalez, Scherzer, Schlereth, etc.). Callaspo has since been traded again. That’s about all I know from the players he got rid of.

by lupojohn3 on Oct 16, 2010 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Again, names ≠ subject lines.
Just because he brought all that talent to the majors, doesn’t mean it’s a winning team.

No, it doesn’t, but it’s a damn good start and exactly what this franchise is missing.

The only trades I know off the top of my head are CarGo, Anderson, Cunningham, Carter, and Eveland for Dan Haren and Sherzer for Edwin Jackson.

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by Ogre39666 on Oct 16, 2010 2:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

Byrnes did a good job in Arizona.

by Brian. on Oct 13, 2010 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

He even has...

His own website. But why would the Mets want an OF for GM?

It's a triumph of number crunching over the human spirit...aaaaaand, it’s about time. --Vin Scully, The Simpsons.

by MookieTheCat on Oct 13, 2010 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not saying he didn’t, but they were finished after they lost the 2007 NLCS to the Rockies.

by lupojohn3 on Oct 14, 2010 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

well, I mean

if you don’t allow for the possibility that a candidate will raise or lower his (or her, in fairness to Kim Ng) stock during the interview process, then there is no point in having interviews at all and you may as well just decide without meeting any of the candidates.

if you DO allow for that possibility, then the logical conclusion is that a guy who seems like a frontrunner, like Alderson, could potentially have a really bad interview (be disinterested or unprepared or whatever else) and be surpassed by a darker horse, like Baird, who had a really good interview (came in with good, concrete ideas for how to address the team’s issues, etc.).

I mean, I see your point, but it seems to me that if you have an interview pool that’s too small, then you run the risk of missing out on a really good candidate. and, I mean, there’s no harm in interviewing guys like Baird who have a really slim chance, anyway, just to hear their pitch. (hey, maybe he doesn’t get the job, but he has a new idea for a way to get Ollie’s contract off the books or something.) as far as I’m aware, we’re the only franchise that’s already interviewing GM candidates, so it’s not like a frontrunner like Alderson or Hahn is going to get snapped up this week because we weren’t ready to interview him until next week.

by JoshNY on Oct 13, 2010 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

The problem with that is

that the likes of Allard Baird can pretty easily sweet-talk their way into Jeff’s simple mind, just as all the recent Met hires have. Again – I keep going back to this – we have to be cognizant of who is running the interviews. If Theo Epstein was hiring his replacement and determined Hahn or a completely unknown to be the guy, great. But if stupid Jeff does the same thing, I would be terrified. That is why everyone wants Alderson. He is foolproof. Make the Wilponproof.

"We have a philosophy and we’re going to find a manager who is going to implement that philosophy. We’re not looking for someone to tell us how to run the team, or upon which theory it should be predicated. We already have that. We want someone who is going to implement it for us."
-Sandy Alderson

by borasblog on Oct 13, 2010 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guess that's true

I agree that Alderson would seem to be foolproof, but, I mean, what if he’s just halfassing it and would only be interested in the job for a payday before he retires? I don’t know the man and am not suggesting that any of this is actually the case, just saying that it’s possible.

by JoshNY on Oct 13, 2010 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

He won't jeopardize his legacy

He’s in it to succeed

Sandy Alderson for Mets GM
R.A. Dickey for Governor!

by Russ on Oct 13, 2010 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think you're probably right

I’m just saying that we don’t know that for a fact. We don’t know how serious any of the candidates are, or anything else that you might hope to find out in an interview, until after they’ve actually been interviewed.

by JoshNY on Oct 14, 2010 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think it's a The Producers

kind of thing. Jeffy can make a few more bucks by sending the Mets spiraling into the toilet, whereas we think he’s merely grossly incompetent. Getting Baird is like picking Gene Wilder as your business partner—you can’t possible be successful.

by Jack Str on Oct 13, 2010 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Someone please help me.

I am getting excited about the GM search, but I don’t want to. I don’t want to be let down again. Someone talk me down.

by lstorie1971 on Oct 13, 2010 6:40 PM EDT reply actions  

we have $18m committed to Ollie and Castillo next year

that work?

"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"

by firejerrynow on Oct 13, 2010 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hell, on top of that there's $20m to Beltran,

$20m to Santana, $18m to Bay, and $1.5m to GARY MATTHEWS JUNIOR!!!"

Does that help?

by Jack Str on Oct 13, 2010 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bonilla too

mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon (and Billy King-Paul G B)

by Gina on Oct 13, 2010 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

whats sad is the money we'll be paying Bonilla

is like the equivalent to 1/3rd of what we spend on the draft yearly, maybe even more.

mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon (and Billy King-Paul G B)

by Gina on Oct 13, 2010 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gina

I agree with you on Bonilla. What wonderful idiot ever cut that deal

by lupojohn3 on Oct 14, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

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