2010 Postmortem: Center Field
After Carlos Beltran had knee surgery in early January, the Mets were short on outfielders, especially those who could play center field. To add some depth, they made a no-upside move by trading Brian Stokes for Gary Matthews Jr. It was a bizarre deal. But as long as the Mets were willing to cut GMJ when he inevitably stunk up the joint, no harm would be done. Common sense dictated that he was a bench player and the emerging Angel Pagan was the starting center fielder. Unfortunately, Jerry Manuel was the Mets' manager at the time, and decided that GMJoke would start on Opening Day. Jerry's trolling wouldn't last long though -- Pagan started game #3 and basically played every day through season's end. GMJ was gone by early June.
Pagan started slowly -- he had a .694 OPS in April. There were some low rumblings that perhaps his strong 2009 season was a fluke, and his true talent level was closer to his pre-2009 OPS+ of 83. Then he caught fire from May through July, on his way to being the most valuable Met in 2010 according to both FanGraphs WAR (fWAR) and Baseball-Reference WAR (bWAR). His combination of above average hitting and exceptional defense made him the 8th most valuable NL outfielder according to fWAR.
Beltran returned after the All Star break, when the Mets were 48-40 and four games out in the NL East. Amazin' Avenue readers projected a .276/.363/.460 slash line for Voltron. This turned out to be a bit too sanguine. He slumped in July and August, and his defense in center field wasn't pretty (Pagan moved to the corner outfield spots). The Mets slid out of contention, exciting the Beltran hecklers. And he was featured in a media-fabricated controversy involving a team visit to Walter Reed Army Medical Center. Read Sam's excellent take on the situation if you missed it. When all looked lost, Beltran went on a tear down the stretch. He posted a September OPS of .967 before missing the last six games with a knee injury. His defense also seemed much better those last few weeks.
So after three paragraphs of lame season recap that most fans already know, here are some words about center field (and right field) going forward. Pagan is my 2011 Opening Day center fielder, with Beltran in right field. I don't want Beltran traded -- this team can contend next season. They shouldn't enter rebuilding mode. His value is low for obvious reasons and the Mets would have to pay much of his salary in a trade. Don't GMJ him, as the Angels did last offseason by eating millions of dollars to unload dead weight.
A starting outfield of Jason Bay, Pagan and Beltran clearly has injury concerns. A fourth quality outfielder is necessary. My target would be Kosuke Fukudome of the Cubs. He's an above average hitter with terrific plate discipline and a decent glove in right field. The Cubs outfield is crowded, with Alfonso Soriano, Tyler Colvin and Marlon Byrd around. Maybe the Cubbies would be willing to pay some of the $13.5 million owed Fukudome in 2011 (the final year of his contract). Or take part in a trade involving Francisco Rodriguez, Luis Castillo or Oliver Perez.
Beltran has played 13,000+ innings in center field during his career -- and exactly 45.2 in corner outfield spots. A position change might not be a welcome suggestion for the talented veteran. It's a young man's position though, and Pagan's defense is too valuable to not be utilized in center. Hopefully the new GM broaches the topic delicately, and earlier rather than later. Let Beltran spend the offseason planning on a move to right field. Then (hopefully) watch him enjoy a terrific final season in Flushing.
Desired 2011 starting center fielder: Angel Pagan
Projected 2011 starting center fielder: Carlos Beltran
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Jason Bay
Can’t wait to see that bland, bloodless, brain-damaged failure wandering around LF again next year.
The "brain damaged" thing is a little harsh. He concussed making a hell of a play.
by lstorie1971 on Oct 14, 2010 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Agree...
No issue with saying he’s bland (he’s Canadian after all) or that he’s a bad player, but “brain damaged?” C’mon man.
I’m actually hoping he pulls a Beltran and comes back much improved in his 2nd year with the club.
It's a triumph of number crunching over the human spirit...aaaaaand, it’s about time. --Vin Scully, The Simpsons.
by MookieTheCat on Oct 14, 2010 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions
He's not really a bad player.
Even his fucked up season this year, he still was worth 1.4 wins. That’s still more than Rajai Davis, Brennan Boesch, and four other full-time LFs.
He’s not worth the money, even if he was performing at career levels, but bad, he is not.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Oct 15, 2010 1:41 AM EDT up reply actions
I did not expect
big things from him, but I was surprised how lifeless he looked in the box last year. He was swinging at junk, missing balls by 6 inches. A lot of bad at-bats, not to mention outs.
Agreed, his 2010 season was terrible for an everyday player, and especially terrible as compared to the levels we know
Jason Bay can perform at.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Oct 15, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Yup on Bay. I never got the impression he was dogging it.
Am I in the minority on the site in thinking that the team can contend next year with a number of reasonable—and not necessarily remarkable—improvements, like Bay putting up a 3 win season, Reyes 3.5 wins, Wright 5-6 wins, a full season of Thole, decent (not great) production from 2B, avoiding giving 2000 PAs to replacement level players, not giving spots in the rotation to sub-replacement level players, shoring up the OF, another respectable starter (who doesn’t have to be named Cliff Lee)…?
My AAOP, we're World Champtions, baby!
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Oct 16, 2010 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions
How do you get 50 drunk Canadians out of a swimming pool?
“Hey, guys, come on now, it’s time to get out of the pool.”
by Jack Str on Oct 15, 2010 7:58 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Bahahahahahahahahahaha....
This is great.
Mike, the point is that Canadians are generally rule-following and polite people, even while drunk.
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by MookieTheCat on Oct 15, 2010 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions
"Bloodless"?
I don’t get it.
Let's never bunt again.
by Thomas Wachtel on Oct 14, 2010 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions
No that one's right...
Bloodless means pale, and Bay clearly fits the bill.
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by MookieTheCat on Oct 15, 2010 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions
I have to chime in with the others, brain-damaged is a bit harsh
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by feslenraster on Oct 15, 2010 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Just want to say that I love this autopsy of the Mets.
Look forward to hearing about the pitching staff!
Hold on,
Nick Evans had four PAs in CF? I remember seeing him in CF for one game but that means he was in CF at other times? I’m so glad they get rid of Jerry Manuel.
If there's ever a riot at Citi Field and Oliver Perez was the starter, I started the riot.
Fukudome will be 34 next year. Even though he has only 1y remaining in his contract, isn't he a injury risk himself?
He has a no-trade protection, so he might block some trades too.
He's a risk
Fukudome isn’t young but he’s never been on the DL and played a ton of games each of his 3 MLB seasons. There are no red flags that I’m aware of. That said, I’d agree that he’s an injury risk in that he’s old — but less so than Bay (concussion), Beltran (knees, who knows what else), and Pagan (generally injury prone until this year).
by James Kannengieser on Oct 15, 2010 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Fukudome
You said maybe the Cubs eat part of his salary. What what if maybe they don’t? Would you still want him if the Cubs refused to take on or eat any salary?
I wouldn't
but that’s just me.
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This depends on how do you project him and what are you giving/receiving in return.
Suppose you project him a tick below average, say 1.5 WAR or $ 7m production. He’ll be paid $ 13.5 next year, so if they pay roughly half of his salary, we’d send a replacement level player just to complete the trade. If they pay more than that, we would have to send a better prospect. If they pay nothing, they would have to send prospects worth about $ 7m.
He would have to be worth around 3 WAR to pay for his full salary. He never got to that mark, in 2008 and 2010, he produced 1.5 WAR. 13.5m is too much to pay for a 4th OF.
Probably not
It seems like the Cubs want to unload him. And the Mets have some bad contracts with 1 year left on the deal. They did Silva-for-Bradley last offseason, I think they’d consider something similar this offseason.
by James Kannengieser on Oct 15, 2010 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions
4th outfieilder should be Ross or DDJ
Fuk is too expensive
Between Beltran's knees, Bay's concussion and Pagan, the 4th OF will see plenty of AB next year.
I’m guessing 300 AB at least. I don’t think we should spend lots of money at a 4th OF, but we shouldn’t carry a replacement lv at that. He won’t be just a bench warmer.
Between Duda and Evans
we’re not in bad shape. Its not ideal because neither should ever play CF, and Duda is still learning how to play the OF, but we do have credible OF bats for a 4th and 5th OF.
We should all pray tonight, and every night, that F-Mart’s injuries are behind him, and that he finally puts it all together.
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Yeah, I'm kinda wishing we could get someone who can play CF.
It’s not that unlikely that both Beltran and Pagan are out at the same time. I don’t want to watch Feliciano playing there nor test that “Bay played CF once”.
nick who?
I don’t want Fuku either. maybe a speedster type to back up…so they can cover a lot of the ground.
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by feslenraster on Oct 15, 2010 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Huh?
Nick Evans is currently producing a documentary about the Chilean miner rescue effort for NOVA.
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ah, THAT Nick Evans....:)
he can play a little baseball too, wow.
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by feslenraster on Oct 15, 2010 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I bet you got really happy when you found this...
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by MookieTheCat on Oct 16, 2010 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions
It found me
i was watching the Newshour on PBS the other day. A segment was on about the Chilean miner rescue effort, and who do they have speaking about it? Nick Evans FTW!
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An outfield with Angel and Jesus in it give me confidence
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Oct 16, 2010 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Maybe it'll make Krishna mad, though, and we'll be back at square one.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Oct 16, 2010 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Odin certainly wouldn't like it.
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