Navigation: Jump to content areas:


Pro Quality. Fan Perspective.
Login-facebook
Around SBN: Shootings Near Thunder's Arena Follow Win Over Lakers

Scouting the NPB: Chang-Yong Lim

Chang-Yong Lim is a Korean-born 34-year old (he’s going to be 35 next season) reliever for the Tokyo Yakult Swallows, in the Nippon Professional Baseball (NPB) league. He’s been their closer since 2008. Before the NPB, he played on the Haitai Tigers and the Samsung Lions of the Korean Baseball Organization.

Mr. Lim- as I will call him, in honor of his fellow countryman, Mr. Koo- possesses a wide variety of pitches. His pitching repertoire includes:

  • A four-seam fastball that has in the past been clocked as high as 100 MPH, but sits more comfortably in the 90 to 95 MPH range.
  • A two-seam fastball that has a lot of tailing movement, such that it has been nicknamed "the serpent", because of its bite.
  • A slider with a great deal of horizontal movement, that is thrown anywhere between 75 and 85 MPH.
  • A forkball that sits in the 85 to 90 MPH range.

This graph, care of the data provided by NPBtracker.com, shows his average velocity per pitch for his 2009 and 2010 NPB seasons:

 

Lim_medium

Oh, and he throws like this (the first AB starts around the 2:00 mark).

Star-divide

In 2008, his first season in the NPB, he finished with a 1-5 record, with 33 saves, and a 3.00 ERA in 51 innings pitched. He struck out 50, and, remarkably walked only 9 batters all season. His 2009 season was even better. For the first few months of the season, Mr. Lim possessed an ERA of 0.00, which is how he earned the nickname "Mr. Zero". He was selected as an All-Star, as the closer of the Central League. His second half was not as impressive, as his ERA "shot up", as he allowed earned runs. For the year, he finished with a 5-4 record, with 28 saves, and a 2.05 ERA in 57 innings pitched. He struck out 52, and walked 19. This year, "Mr. Zero" put up another very good season. For the year, he finished with a 1-2 record, with 34 saves, and a 1.48 ERA in 54.2 innings pitched. He struck out 52, while walking 16.

Mr. Lim is going to be posted during this upcoming off-season, and I lobby that the Mets do their best to sign him. There are a few reasons why, as I will now explain:

1) As we all know, Francisco Rodriguez has an albatross of a contract, in that if he appears in more than 55 games, his $17.5 million dollar option will activate itself. It’s not that I don’t dislike K-Rod (I don’t; I like him, actually), but I don’t want the Mets to be burdened by such a massive contract, with that money going to a relief pitcher. Mr. Lim, for three years, was a top closer in the NPB. He already possesses that mythical "closer mentality" that successful closers are supposed to have. I don’t want to see K-Rod completely replaced as closer, as that would not be beneficial for the team, but having Mr. Lim on the roster allows for a "set-up" man, in a vein similar to what JJ Putz was supposed to be (only cheaper and healthier), and gives the team some flexibility in ensuring that K-Rod’s contract does not vest. In other words, Mr. Lim provides the Mets a mechanism to prevent K-Rod from appearing in more than 55 games without actively hampering the chances of the team winning.

2) Assuming Hisanori Takahashi is re-signed in some capacity, Mr. Lim will be the third Asian pitcher on the team, along with Ryota Igarashi, and the fourth in three years (the recently retired Ken Takahashi being that other guy). I have long been a proponent of the Mets doing more to scout in Japan and Korea, the only two Asian countries that are known to have baseball leagues worth their salt, as evidenced by their performances in the 2006 and 2009 World Baseball Classics. Mets scouts being more active in the Far East is something that I like a lot. The Mets have had more busts in signing Japanese and/or Korean pitchers than they have had gains, but a little adversity should not stop the team from scouring that part of the market. Mr. Lim is no Dice-K, meaning he would not attract the attention of the Korean/Japanese media like Dice-K did when he landed with the Red Sox a few years ago, but I would like the Mets to be a team that Japanese/Korean players think about when they say to themselves, "One day, I'd like to play in the American MLB."

3) Yu Darvish. I’m jumping the gun, and assuming that he’ll be posted this winter (he might!), but if he is, what a better way to make sure that the Mets’ newly won prized prospect (He has relatively few innings pitched, as opposed to say, Daisuke Matsuzaka) is comfortable in a new country, and on a new team, by having an assortment of other former NPB players around him? Culture shock can sometimes be a tough thing. Mr. Lim is Korean, where as Darvish is Japanese, but both can share the experience of coming to the Mets, why not?

When everything is said and done, I can't really foresee Mr. Lim being posted for an exorbitant price, or the Mets signing him to an excessively large contract. Reports have mentioned that he's garnered some limited interest from MLB scouts, but nothing more. He isn't a Kei Igawa in a Dice-K market, meaning that his price is not going to be driven up because other teams are going to be competing bidding for the services of a similar, better pitcher. While I don't know how much his posting fee might go for, in the NPB, he made around the same amount of money that Toyota Irrigation made. As such, Mr. Lim probably could be inked to a similar deal- I wouldn't be opposed to a two-year, $6 million dollar contract. Is there a chance, like plenty of other Japanese pitchers, that he'll turn out to be a bust, or a mere shadow of his former self in the Major Leagues? Absolutely. But, a great deal of NPB pitchers figured out how to adjust to the MLB and were effective enough- potential teammate Tak2 being among them. I'd rather take the gamble, and fail, than not take it at all, or, even worse, see some other team take it, and it work out for them.

This FanPost was contributed by a member of the community and was not subject to any vetting or approval process. It does not necessarily reflect the opinions, reasoning skills, or attention to grammar and usage rules held by the editors of this site.

Comment 24 comments  |  1 recs  | 

Do you like this story?

Comments

Display:

Very well thought out.

35 is a bit old, but if he can still live at 90-95 it shouldn’t be a huge deal and that stagger step could really mess with hitters. If the price is right, then I see no reason not to go after him.

Save Jenrry Mejia!
In lobby for Josh Byrnes/Chip Hale as Mets 2011 GM/Manager.

by Ogre39666 on Oct 2, 2010 10:28 PM EDT reply actions  

The fact that he

can throw in the low-to-high 90s, at 35, as a sidearm pitcher, is impressive, whether or not the Mets, or anyone else in the MLB, signs him or not, I think.

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Oct 3, 2010 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh yeah

I didn’t mean to say it’s not.

Save Jenrry Mejia!
In lobby for Josh Byrnes/Chip Hale as Mets 2011 GM/Manager.

by Ogre39666 on Oct 3, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

My fault.

I read that wrong. I thought you were saying that it shouldn’t be a big deal that he can throw 90-95. Sorry.

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Oct 3, 2010 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

He sounds interesting

I’d take the risk & bring him in. Unlike Toyota, he has control of his pitches. If he flops, it’s no big deal as it’s only $2-3 million on a potentially excellent reliever(like Kelvim Escobar this year). With the lack of depth in the ’pen, we need all the quality arms we can get & he seems to be one.

Is the sun going to come up tomorrow?

by Brian. on Oct 2, 2010 10:29 PM EDT reply actions  

Very well-done write-up.

One quibble: Darvish isn’t likely to post this off-season. IIRC, he’s stated a preference to stay in Japan for a while. Even if he did post, it’s questionable if the Mets would be willing to spend what would certainly be a lot of money just on the posting fee.

May you be locked in a battle of wits against Jerry Manuel.

by BobbyV_Incognito on Oct 3, 2010 12:40 AM EDT reply actions  

I thought I read recently that he decided that he was ready to be posted.

I don’t know…maybe I’m making it up.

Chamption of the R.A. Dickey Face contest and "Cromulent Photoshopper Extraordinaire" of Amazin' Avenue!

by Steve Schreiber on Oct 3, 2010 2:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yu Darvish to be posted:

http://yakyubaka.com/2010/09/28/yu-darvish-to-be-posted/

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Oct 3, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

You do realize that Japan and Korea have an enormous amount of historical enmity?

Just because they’re both Asian doesn’t mean squat as far as welcoming Yu.

by Jack Str on Oct 3, 2010 6:28 PM EDT reply actions  

They also share a common cultural heritage that

is not light-years away, as is American culture.

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Oct 3, 2010 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, it's just that whole "invasion" and "occupation" and "mass murder" business

that can get in the way.

Just so you know, if you go to either Korea or Japan and start talking about “common cultural heritage”, you’ll be somewhat fortunate to walk away intact, and at the least will get your ears burned off in a lecture. The two countries have no more of a common cultural heritage than, say, we do with Russia.

by Jack Str on Oct 3, 2010 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

The relations between South Korea and Japan

have been normalized for many years now, with both nations grossing billions of dollars in ventures directly tied to, or indirectly tied to business and social ventures. Korean music and animation is highly popular in Japan, as are Japanese anime and music in Korea. As is almost everywhere else, the younger generation is a highly-globalized one. I mean, it’s not as if the Korean-born Lim isn’t already a celebrated NPB figure, being the first foreign-born player to be voted by the fans into an All-Star Game, as opposed to being a managerial selection.

Japan and Korea share a long and rich common cultural heritage, with each other, as well as with China. That certain groups of people not like that- take more fundamentalist Protestant religions, and their relationship to the “Popeistry” of the Catholic Church, from which they originally stemmed from, and inherited/borrowed numerous concepts from- but that doesn’t change the fact that they do.

But, all of that is extraneous to the original point. American culture, Western culture, whatever you want to call it, is something that would be, in numerous ways, very foreign to someone from Japan, just as Japanese culture is something that would be, in numerous ways, very foreign to someone from America (as many tourists will attest to, from the differences in social etiquette, to mundane things, such as, say, bathrooms). Other South Asian countries, of which Korea is one, possess similar cultural attitudes and customs, that a person from Japan would be more familiar with. To put you in a comparable situation, if you were going on a trip to Nepal with a group of people from across the world, would you feel more comfortable if, in that group, there was a person from, say, Germany- a country that speaks a language similar to English (but not exactly, of course), shares numerous cultural and social customs, etc., than you would if there was not?

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Oct 3, 2010 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Japanese are despised throughout much of South-East Asia, so I wouldn't count on cultural affinity

What could make the Mets attractive to Lim is that there is a large Korean community here. Any place in the US will feel very foreign to him. if he knows that he can walk into a community here where they speak Korean, I imagine that he’ll feel a lot more comfortable about coming here.

Sandy Alderson for GM!
R.A. Dickey for Governor!

by Russ on Oct 3, 2010 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

It was more in relation to the attractiveness of the Mets to

Yu Darvish, in Mr. Lim being on the team, as opposed to him not being on the team.

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Oct 3, 2010 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gotcha

although we already have Tak2 who could try to sell the Mets to him.

Sandy Alderson for GM!
R.A. Dickey for Governor!

by Russ on Oct 3, 2010 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right. And Toyota Irrigation.

The premise of the point was, in so many words, “the more, the merrier”, in making the Mets an attractive destination to land in the MLB.

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Oct 3, 2010 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Excellent writeup

If the price is right, he seems worth the risk. We might actually have a bullpen next year with quality depth.

Sandy Alderson for GM!
R.A. Dickey for Governor!

by Russ on Oct 3, 2010 6:38 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Parnell, Tak, Lim, and Valdez

with maybe a Guerrier or Balfour would be mighty nice even if Krod is gone.

Save Jenrry Mejia!
In lobby for Josh Byrnes/Chip Hale as Mets 2011 GM/Manager.

by Ogre39666 on Oct 3, 2010 6:40 PM EDT reply actions  

why not

you don’t have to have a full team of players who get along with one another…winning solves everything in every culture.

"Fantasy, reality, science Fiction. Which is which? Who can tell?"

by feslenraster on Oct 4, 2010 1:47 PM EDT reply actions  

World Baseball Classic

I seem to recall the Japan vs South Korea games being described as “intense”.

by Boz_Paladin on Oct 4, 2010 3:36 PM EDT reply actions  

It was:

Two damn good teams.

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Oct 4, 2010 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I changed the name of the thread,

since I’ve been “inspired” to make similar write-ups about all of the possible NPB posted players this off-season.

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

AA Gamethread Embiggening Record Holder- 453 posts (10/03/10)

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Oct 6, 2010 1:02 AM EDT reply actions  

Comments For This Post Are Closed


FanPosts

Community blog posts and discussion.

Recommended FanPosts

Gary_carter_small
fxcarden's Nightly Rant! - Vol. I, No. 1 (July, 2011)
159714144_040c6c1501_small
The Greatest Bison: Frank Grant and the Color Line
Small
A WIN METHOD Analysis of the Current State of the Mets
Img_1435_small
This Week in Mets Quotes
7820e59643c1371ad8a7f1a8b0b995ec67ecd1b0_full_small
An examination of Daniel Murphy and his lack of power

Recent FanPosts

Small
Game Replays
Img_1435_small
This Week in Mets Quotes
Small
Santana or Sabathia?
Small
Whats to be done with the 'Pen?
Small
What about Oswalt?
61atehunexl__sl500_aa300__small
This Week in Mets' Overreaction

+ New FanPost All FanPosts >

FanShots

Quick hits of video, photos, quotes, chats, links and lists that you find around the web.

Recommended FanShots

At 5:30 PM EDT today Starting today at 5:00 PM EDT, witness one of the greatest renderings of visual sound effects ever!

UPDATE 1: My browser has crashed several times in the process from all the rants (FUUUUUUUUUUUU!!!!) - as a result, there will instead be 4 or 5 separate installments of fxcarden's Nightly Rants! from 2011, with a similar pattern for the 2012 rants. Take my word for it, when I say that it's for the best. Here's the revised schedule:

Volume 1: 2011
No. 1: Today at 5:00 PM EDT
No. 2: Tomorrow
No. 3: Thursday
No. 4 and No. 5 (?) TBD

UPDATE 2: Vol. I, No. 1 (July, 2011) is now up!
beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeautiful colorization of Willie Mays' over-the-shoulder catch. Credit from Beyond the Box Score via Reddit. Embiggen at http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7071/7231074678_3faa94a82b_o.jpg
Frank Francisco is... The Most Interesting Closer In The World embiggen
2013 ALL-STAR GAME(TM) LOGO CONTEST

Major League Baseball has formally announced that Citi Field will be the site of the 2013 All-Star Game. (see video) In light of this, I have decided to launch an All-Star Game logo contest. To help get you started, I provided all of you with a sample All-Star Game logo. (click here to embiggen) If you wish to participate, please enter your submission with an image below, in the comments section. The contest ends on May 31st. I will choose a select number of finalists, and the community will vote on which of those logos is the best one.

Can you create a better logo than the sample logo provided? Then, give it a shot. Good luck to all participants!
Jon Rauch is awesome. Dan Tanna is, obviously, a fan of Greg Pomes.

Recent FanShots

Mets At The Quarter-Pole: Doing Things The Wright Way
WTF is up with all the larry lovefest
Corner IF Production: Will Up Go Down if Down Climbs Up?
Tell Me When It's Over: Ron Darling
Top Mets Prospects: Jenrry Mejia Makes Season Debut; Leathersich Dominates
Weekly SB Nation New York MLB Power Rankings
R.A. Dickey: A somewhat Intimate Portrait
Mets And Astros Celebrate 50 Years Together

+ New FanShot All FanShots >

Yahoo_full_count

FanPosts

Community blog posts and discussion.

Recommended FanPosts

Gary_carter_small
fxcarden's Nightly Rant! - Vol. I, No. 1 (July, 2011)
159714144_040c6c1501_small
The Greatest Bison: Frank Grant and the Color Line
Small
A WIN METHOD Analysis of the Current State of the Mets
Img_1435_small
This Week in Mets Quotes
7820e59643c1371ad8a7f1a8b0b995ec67ecd1b0_full_small
An examination of Daniel Murphy and his lack of power

Recent FanPosts

Small
Game Replays
Img_1435_small
This Week in Mets Quotes
Small
Santana or Sabathia?
Small
Whats to be done with the 'Pen?
Small
What about Oswalt?
61atehunexl__sl500_aa300__small
This Week in Mets' Overreaction

+ New FanPost All FanPosts >


THE BIG GUY

Aa_avatar_small Eric Simon

THE INCREDIBLES

Blackfish2_small Alex Nelson

Endy_small Rob Castellano

Img_1262_small Matthew Artus

Kanye_pekka_small Sam Page

Best_infield_ever_small James Kannengieser

Metsstitches_small Eno Sarris

48900_1085732804_4466_n_small Chris McShane

Lg_rocker_ap_small Matthew Callan

Billy_and_daddy_4th_of_july_small Bill Petti

THE NEWS GURUS

Mrmet_small Steve Schreiber

3_small Stephen Schmidt

159714144_040c6c1501_small Pack Bringley

124967042_crop_340x234_small Jeffrey Paternostro