Mets GM Search: Sandy Alderson, Josh Byrnes Complete Second Interviews
by Eric Simon on Oct 26, 2010 7:08 PM EDT
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PrintThe Mets have completed their second-round interviews with GM candidates Sandy Alderson and Josh Byrnes. Jeff Wilpon has released a statement:
"We will have no further comment on the process until we are ready to announce our new General Manager."
Speculation this week has generally pegged Alderson as the front-runner, and Andy Martino of the Daily News has corroborating sources:
What I'm hearing today [from] multiple sources jives [sic] with what most [are] hearing: Likely Alderson, Friday very possible for official announcement.
Chalk the clumsy sentence up to the awkward mechanics of using Twitter to broadcast coherent thoughts, but the bottom line appears to be this: Josh Byrnes is probably a long shot to land the Mets GM position, which means that Sandy Alderson will very likely be the next GM. None of this is cast in stone and there have surely been greater upsets in recent memory, but if those who follow the Mets as closely (both literally and figuratively) as anyone are to be believed, the announcement of Alderson's hiring could come as soon as the next World Series off day.
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The best part is that no matter who gets picked,
we all win!
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by Steve Schreiber on Oct 26, 2010 7:20 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Optimism + Mets =
Disappointment.
I’m just waiting to see what happens.
It's a triumph of number crunching over the human spirit...aaaaaand, it’s about time. -- Play-by-Play Announcer, The Simpsons.
by MookieTheCat on Oct 26, 2010 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Highly Tempered optimism + Mets =
most of my life
"I get up every morning determined to both change the world and have one hell of a good time. Sometimes this makes planning my day difficult." ~ E. B. White
Jeff Wilpon:
“So after reviewing what all of the candidates told us the interviews, we just felt that while some of the guys put out good suggestions, that we really want to please our fans. We know what our fans like and we know what type of product our fans want us to put out on the field. So without further ado, we’d like to introduce (or re-introduce) our new General Manager Omar Minaya! Omar’s previous contract has been thrown out the window and replaced with a brand new 7 year contract. Omar is like a brother to me and a son to my father and we all know how much the fans love that this is a family run organization. So we really feel as if we’ve done the fans a service here and we did it especially for you! Here’s to another wonderful 7 years of Omar…apparently the sun has risen.”
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by Steve Schreiber on Oct 26, 2010 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Except for Byrnes. Or Alderson.
"It’s not just about money, it’s how you spend it."
-- Sandy Alderson
how about this:
Alderson gets the job on condition that he accepts their pick as manager, a situation we all know Byrnes would object to based on his past history———-thereby setting the recovery back two to three years.
Don’t think it will happen. Just trying to punish myself for my optimism.
Are we assuming
that Wally will be their choice to be the next manager? If so, I agree.
"I get up every morning determined to both change the world and have one hell of a good time. Sometimes this makes planning my day difficult." ~ E. B. White
I still don't by Wally being on either of there lists
it just doesn’t make any kind of sense considering everything we know about their histories with manager selections/dealings. The Wilpons could have easily supplemented the lists they submitted.
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Its a total suck up move
“Sure Jeff, Wally is on my list too. And I cant wait to work with your buddy Ricco”.
Excellent - everybody knows that.
by Dandy Salderson on Oct 26, 2010 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions
how would a manager set anything back
they’re impact on the game isn’t near big enough to set a season back a year let alone 2-3.
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon (and Billy King-Paul G B)
Friday could be the day
that the Mets horrible F.O. dies, and a great one is born. We should be able to gather at Shea Citi Field and uncork some bubbly and light up some stogies!
Sandy Alderson for Mets GM
R.A. Dickey for Governor!
Well, until the Wilpons call the cops anyway.
But it's a family organization!!!
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by Steve Schreiber on Oct 26, 2010 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions
whoever it is, I welcome our new baseball overlords
and hope they bring greater prosperity to our once proud group
Hey, wait! I'm having one of those things. You know? A headache with pictures?
by KeithsMoustache on Oct 26, 2010 8:04 PM EDT reply actions
Am I the only one here
hoping it will be Byrnes? No disrespect to Alderson and he will likely make a fine GM, just if I had a choice I would take the one with the more recent success. Plus Sandy wil almost certainly only take a short term contract while Byrnes could stabilize the front office for years to come.
"Baseball is a game played by the dextrous but only understood by the POIN-dextrous"-Professor John I.Q. Neidelbaum Frink, Simpsons
by Blame-everyone-else on Oct 26, 2010 8:23 PM EDT reply actions
Oh for crying out glavin
"I reject your reality and substitute my own"
-Adam Savage
by blueandorange4life on Oct 26, 2010 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Reply to your sig, not your post
"I reject your reality and substitute my own"
-Adam Savage
by blueandorange4life on Oct 26, 2010 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I prefer Alderson but would be okay with either.
However, what gives you the idea that Alderson is just a short term contract guy? He’s 62 not 82…it’s not like he’s a fossil. And being a guy who basically beat everyone to the punch with advanced stats in the 80’s/90’s and tutored Billy Beane, I don’t see him lagging behind the pack in terms of new ways of scouting, evaluating players, etc. Not to mention that Byrnes hasn’t really had a ton of success. We know his hands were a bit tied in AZ but still, his teams made the playoffs once during his tenure. I understand the fact that they had a lot of young guys but just how many of those young guys were brought in by Byrnes and how many were assembled before he got there? Byrnes was hired for the 2006 season…Webb was already there, Stephen Drew/Mark Reynolds were drafted in 2004. How many players on these teams can you give him credit for? Besides Justin Upton and Chris Young, there isn’t much tangible big league talent that he contributed.
Not to mention, for a guy who supposedly knows sabermetrics, Omar outsmarted him back in 2006. Remember that El Duque for Jorge Julio deal? All the numbers pointed toward a turnaround for El Duque and Byrnes dealt him for a shitty reliever in Julio. I know this is just one deal in a vacuum, but still…look at the Carlos Quentin deal among others not to mention the hiring of AJ Hinch as manager (a guy with little experience).
I’m not trying to come off as being against Byrnes (i’m not) but I truly don’t know if he could “stabilize the front office for years to come.” All I know is that Alderson was successful in Oakland for 15 years and successful in San Diego for 5 more as CEO.
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by Steve Schreiber on Oct 26, 2010 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Quentin was a walking injury
(and has been but for 1 year). And who cares about AJ Hinch’s experience if his job was simply to implement organizational philosophy?
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Quentin also had to be moved
after the Byrnes contract.
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon (and Billy King-Paul G B)
Plus Byrnes' '07 team was badly outscored.
They made the NLCS but were much worse than the ‘10 Mets. I’m still holding out for both of ’em (pres Alderson and GM Byrnes). With that we could be set for a long time.
by Brooklyn Tar Heels on Oct 26, 2010 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Pyth W-L of '07 D-Backs: 79-83
‘10 Mets was 81-81. I’m not saying that number proves Byrnes is bad, just that ‘07 isn’t really as much of a feather in his cap as some say.
by Brooklyn Tar Heels on Oct 26, 2010 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Listen
According to MLB Trade Rumors, SD LITERALLY had $1 million committed next year. One million dollars! Coming off a 90 win season!
Alderson is responsible for that. And imagine what he could do with a Red Sox-like budget.
by Brooklyn Tar Heels on Oct 26, 2010 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions
thats probably cause like 90% of their players are arb eligible
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon (and Billy King-Paul G B)
Alderson deserves credit for that.
And I’ve read the interview that Adam Rubin posted the other day. He seems to have been very involved in decisions, including player evaluations, according to what he said.
by Brooklyn Tar Heels on Oct 26, 2010 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I don't know that's automatically a good thing.
I’m not saying t’s automatically a bad thing either though.
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It means they have $0 on long term contracts
Which is amazingly good, and for a team that had the smallest payroll in MLB (less than half of Rays’) to win 90 games (91 pyth W-L) - I think Alderson put them in position to do that while maintaining more flexibility than any other team. That’s why I’m sure he would love to take the Mets job- because it makes his job so much easier. He can be smart with $140 million instead of $40 million.
by Brooklyn Tar Heels on Oct 26, 2010 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Not hing's supposed to be crossed out there- oops
by Brooklyn Tar Heels on Oct 26, 2010 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions
That damn Anonymous is at it again I guess.
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Well yeah, winning 90 games with that payroll is damn impressive
but having zero committed long-term also means that they don’t have any guys who aren’t arbitration eligible locked up (Bell or Adrian Gonzalez for instance). I’m just saying that it’s not automatically a good thing. Basically it just means they have a ton of young, arbitration guys (which in their case is a good thing because they have some really good young guys).
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They're still going to have Gonzalez next year
but I guess they definitely won’t re-sign him. But that’s good for the Padres; since they can’t actually afford him, it’s good that they won’t have to as he passes age 30. If they were the Mets, it would be bad to have Wright (for example) sign with another team at age 30- but it’s a necessity for the Padres… but maybe some GMs would sign him anyway and prevent them from filling other needs year-by year, and he’s be taking up half their budget every year.
by Brooklyn Tar Heels on Oct 26, 2010 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Just to be clear
I’m not saying it’s a bad thing. Just that it’s not automatically a good thing.
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well most of their arb eligible guys are only in year 1
a good portion aren’t even arb eligible.
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon (and Billy King-Paul G B)
I don't see how this is not a good thing.
A team that is not bogged down in big contracts is able to be fluid all of the time and add whatever they need to add. Just imagine this team without the gigantic contracts of Perez, Castillo, Bay, Frankie and even Beltran. You know how fluid that team would be money-wise? I think that is the ultimate goal for a GM…to be able to have a fluid payroll situation so that you can add money when you absolutely need to.
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by Steve Schreiber on Oct 26, 2010 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions
You're automatically assuming long-term = big and bad
when it’s not always so.
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Sure it isn't always big and bad.
But most of the time it is or eventually it will become big and bad later on. Being able to exchange parts via trade, free agency, prospects, etc without having to worry about “who will take on the player’s salary” is a key factor and would make acquiring players that much easier for a GM.
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by Steve Schreiber on Oct 26, 2010 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah I agree
I just see it as him doing a really good job knowing how to succeed with a low payroll. He shouldn’t deal with the Mets in the same way, though, because the Mets have much more money to work with.
I’d hope he wouldn’t be averse to giving Wright or Reyes an extension. He’d be able to do that in New York.
by Brooklyn Tar Heels on Oct 26, 2010 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I want Alderson
because of all the capable GM candidates, I believe that he is the only one who will be able to manage the owners.
Sandy Alderson for Mets GM
R.A. Dickey for Governor!
SI.com is
already reporting that the Mets have chosen Sandy.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/baseball/mlb/10/26/mets.hire.alderson/index.html?eref=sihp
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Oct 27, 2010 12:03 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Love this:
it will be a major upset if Alderson, the Harvard and Dartmouth educated former Marine, accedes to the wishes of incumbent Mets people and hires Backman.
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