The Hart/Hahn/Hale Plan
This is my Mets management plan. There are many like it but this one is mine.
President -- John Hart
Hart is currently an adviser for the Texas Rangers and a studio analyst for the MLB Network. He enjoyed tremendous success as the Indians GM in the '90s and was also GM of a mediocre Rangers club in the early '00s. Jon Daniels succeeded Hart as Rangers GM before the 2006 season and the franchise is one of the healthiest in baseball. Hart has demonstrated a progressive approach to running an organization, and no, that isn't code for "obsessed with statistics". His background is on-field development -- he managed in the minor leagues throughout the '80s and eventually managed the Indians for one season in 1989. Yet despite an on-the-surface old school mentality, he has been a leader in front office innovation. Nontraditional hires are his trademark. Baseball newbies Mark Shapiro (Princeton University), Chris Antonetti (Georgetown University), Josh Byrnes (Haverford College) and Paul DePodesta (Harvard University) were among his lieutenants in Cleveland. They signed young stars like Jim Thome and Manny Ramirez to team-friendly deals before the practice was fashionable. All available scouting and statistical tools are utilized under Hart regimes, which is all one can ask for as a fan.
This plan entails Hart as an adviser to the GM, a Sandy Alderson/Billy Beane type arrangement. However, Hart as GM is also appealing. Alderson is another of my preferred options for some kind of front office role. Considering he essentially just started his job as MLB envoy to the Dominican Republic it seems unlikely he would jump at a front office position. Hart appears more available.
General Manager -- Rick Hahn
Like Hart, Hahn is a total Mets outsider, something I prefer given the familial hires of the last two decades. The general manager selection should be an effective business manager, not just a great scout or statistics specialist. Hahn has the right mix of applicable educational background (University of Michigan undergrad, Harvard law, Northwestern business school) and on-the-job experience (nine years experience in the White Sox front office, currently serving as Assistant GM to Ken Williams). The White Sox official site lists his duties:
Rick Hahn's primary responsibilities include assisting Senior Vice President/ General Manager Ken Williams with determining the club's roster composition, all player acquisitions, talent evaluations and contract negotiations, as well as with overseeing every element of the organization's baseball operations activities, including the scouting and player development departments.
As Williams's right hand man, Hahn has experience in every aspect of running a ballclub. The White Sox aren't a perennial powerhouse, but they did win the World Series in 2005 and won the AL Central in 2008. They generally contend and Hahn has been a part of that. Plus he spoke about win values in an old New York Times article, melting my true SABR heart. Lip service? Possibly. But it sure beats the "false hustle" and "our plan, I like our plan" type mumbo-jumbo spewing out of Flushing in recent years.
Hahn has long been listed as a top GM candidate -- Baseball America named him the #1 GM prospect this year. Apparently, he declined to be considered for past GM openings (Pirates, Cardinals) but has made it known that being a GM is his goal. If not Hahn, other preferred (and realistic) candidates include Josh Byrnes, Dan Jennings and Ben Cherington.
Manager -- Chip Hale
The Mets' manager hire is far less important than the front office restructuring. Hale is in a tie with Bobby Valentine for my first choice. I went with Hale because:
- I have reservations about Bobby V's apparent desire to have a say in front office decisions.
- Bobby V probably wouldn't come cheap. Available funds are best utilized on players.
- Hale's last name fits nicely with Hart and Hahn.
Hale possesses qualities that I look for in a managerial candidate -- former player, success managing at a high level (he managed the Triple-A Tuscon Sidewinders to a league best 91-53 record in 2006), experience coaching in the major leagues (he coached with the Diamondbacks before joining the Mets as third base coach this season) and as a bonus he is familiar with the Mets roster, without being a holdover from the 2007-2008 Willie-led failures. There is no stench of collapse on Hale. He has impressed as a third base coach this season. By "impressed", I mean "fans aren't tearing their hair out over Chip 'The Windmill' Hale". It doesn't mean all that much, but still makes me confident that he can make strong decisions under pressure. If an intelligent hire is made in the front office, I trust that a comprehensive managerial search will take place. Interview invitations sent to multiple qualified candidates and an explanation for the eventual decision is, once again, all one can ask for as a fan.
N.B. -- My plan also features Jeff Wilpon's exit from Mets baseball operations. I don't know to what extent Jeff has meddled during the last few seasons but I do know that I want him out of the decision-making process.
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Love the Full Metal Jacket reference
2011 Wishlist:
Bobby V, John Hart, Javy Vazquez, Chone Figgins, Gerald Laird, Randy Choate, Jesse Crain
by Stephen Schmidt on Oct 3, 2010 10:04 PM EDT reply actions
That should have been Tony B in a shirtless rage
2011 Wishlist:
Bobby V, John Hart, Javy Vazquez, Chone Figgins, Gerald Laird, Randy Choate, Jesse Crain
by Stephen Schmidt on Oct 4, 2010 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions
It's a joke right?
Gerald Laird? Is that some kind of typo?
I think Depo is back with the D Backs
And why get him? He had a chance To Interim GM Arizona this year and they passed on him themselves? We need somebody special.
Not DiPoto...Paul DePodesta who is an assistant with San Diego now
(Former LA Dodgers GM and proponent of saberstats).
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by Steve Schreiber on Oct 3, 2010 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Others have said here
that he’s unlikely to leave SD right now. Not to mention that he was basically driven out of LA by the local sportswriters, so I imagine that he’d be reluctant to take a job in NYC, even under optimal circumstances.
May you be locked in a battle of wits against Jerry Manuel.
by BobbyV_Incognito on Oct 4, 2010 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions
They'd have the most awesome nickname...
Triple H!
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by Steve Schreiber on Oct 3, 2010 10:21 PM EDT reply actions
And this might just be my Byrnes bias talking
but I’d think having hired him before, Hart would hire Byrnes before Hahn.
Save Jenrry Mejia!
In lobby for Josh Byrnes/Chip Hale as Mets 2011 GM/Manager.
Love
how Don took the time to sign 2x!
"I get up every morning determined to both change the world and have one hell of a good time. Sometimes this makes planning my day difficult." ~ E. B. White
Apparently, at some point, the Mets had official player portraits done in oil...

"I get up every morning determined to both change the world and have one hell of a good time. Sometimes this makes planning my day difficult." ~ E. B. White
I think the Hart/Hahn WonderTwin combo is a good idea
But I wonder if hiring Hale isn’t a good idea. Bringing in an outside voice with a new philosophy is probably the best way to go because promoting Hale could give a sort of “here we go again” impression to the players. The pressure of playing for a lameduck manager every year is another heavy burden on a team with many of them.
Charlie Manuel, while he may be a pretty lousy tactical manager, has created an atmosphere that keeps the players hungry to win—they buy into what he preaches. I’m not saying that hiring a Wally Backman-type is the way to go, but a figure who exudes authority while earning the respect of players would be best, be it Hale, Valentine, or whomever.
Trying to believe is my full-time occupation.
Separately
Does anyone think Fred would hire Hahn just because he’s also a University of Michigan graduate?
Trying to believe is my full-time occupation.
Wrong process, right result.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Oct 3, 2010 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions
That NY Times article
seems to think so. I wouldn’t put it past Wilpon to do that.
Is the sun going to come up tomorrow?
Good post
In regards to Hahn, he’s also dispeled the notion that the Chi Sox won the chip because of “Ozzieball” on multiple occasions. Sam mentioned it(although his post seems to have disappeared), but would the low regard in which the Chi Sox minor-league system is held in be a cause of concern?
Is the sun going to come up tomorrow?
They'd have to find a good scouting director
and almost anybody could be a step up from Rudy Terrasas. I mean…it wouldn’t really be Hahn’s job to build up the system, no? We hear all about Omar’s scouting “talents” but when it comes to the actual drafting, he has very little input. It’s the scouts, the scouting director and the minor league coordinator in charge of that. So hopefully that wouldn’t be a huge deal.
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by Steve Schreiber on Oct 3, 2010 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions
im not against it...
but there is no way Hale is the manager next year. Ticket sales and costs are the driving force in mets management decisions so backman is the guy next year.
Yeah that too
Hale isn’t the big name they need to sell tickets. All signs point to Bobby Valentine, don’t they?
Trying to believe is my full-time occupation.
If they get a intelligent, qualified GM/President
then they’re not going to go the “sell tickets” route. They’re going to go the “smart decision” route.
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"They have already said"? The mets are still owned by the same people.
Memories are short.
by sebastiandeluded on Oct 4, 2010 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't see why...
a GM coming from outside the organization will pick the current 3rd base coach of a loosing team to be the manager. If the GM had complete control over the picking of the manager they would most likely pick ’their guy" but I dont think that will be the case no matter what they said.
And we all know that 3B coaches are not just major contributors towards, but directly responsible for losses...
Does he have Minor League managing experience? Check.
Does he have Major League coaching experience? Check.
Does he display the ability to develop relationships with players? Check
Does he show the ability to research and understand stats/scouting reports, form opinions/game-plans based on that information, and implement it? Check.
What more do you want? For him not to have had the “misfortune” of coaching during the Jerry Manuel era of Mets baseball?
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I just don't see anyone more qualified who's available.
Save Jenrry Mejia!
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I dont understand the desire to have two GMs
Makes no sense to me. That said, either Hart or Hahn alone seem fine, though slightly uninspired choices. Together I think they might undermine each other.
Excellent - everybody knows that.
I like it
the plan, I mean. They need a President and a GM. And a chain of command. Let Wilpon give them a budget, get out of the way, and watch the magic show.
magic huh. careful what you wish for

YOINK!
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
a quality exec
could do wonders with this payroll
in two years......
Our cost structure is such that we don’t have much wiggle room under the current budget. However, we do have a ton of money coming off the books in two years.
by Coolpapabell on Oct 4, 2010 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions
I really doubt our cost structure is like that
the Wilpons are probably making a pretty nice profit, especially if you include SNY, and if they spent up to the lt, which is like 40 million away from their current payroll, they’d probably gain enough wins for attendance (and thus revenue) to increase enough to cover what they’ve spent.
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon (and Billy King-Paul G B)
Even if the can, it doesn't seem they want to, which still leaves you with a tight budget
but it seems to me that they are unwilling to do it. I think that an additional $40M puts us back to the previous high for our payroll. That was at a time when the economy was running at a much better clip than today.
I can’t say if they actually do have the money or not. But if they do, it seems that they are unwilling to do it. If they did want to spend then, $40M would clean up much of this teams problems.
by Coolpapabell on Oct 4, 2010 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn;t say that they don't want to
I think that they don’t know what they want to to do
That’s why I’m praying for a very competent and strong GM to come in with a clear vision. The Wilpons will follow the plan, and this nightmare will go away.
Then again, I could see today’s press conference with Jeff Wilpon dressed as the Easter Bunny.
Sandy Alderson for GM!
R.A. Dickey for Governor!
Well, I hope so
and we are still waiting for the MS paint of Jeff in an Easter Bunny costume.
by Coolpapabell on Oct 4, 2010 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions
This does seem better than my...
Francesa/Ricco/Burkhardt plan.
what about....
If JJ Hardy retires after the playoffs, I say hire him as manager and make Hale the GM. Then you’d have Hale and Hardy
Great, now I'm hungry for soup.
May you be locked in a battle of wits against Jerry Manuel.
by BobbyV_Incognito on Oct 8, 2010 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I want Alderson/Byrnes/Oberkfell
Proud supporter of a New York baseball team and a Boston football team. Yeah, deal with it!
I have always liked Obie
but the mets do not seem to like him enough.
he's their drunk dial
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
This
The Mets’ manager hire is far less important than the front office restructuring.
I’m with James. It doesn’t really matter to me who the manager is, so long as the right people are funneling him the right talent and making the right personnel decisions.
"Seriously, Lana, call Kenny Loggins ‘cause you’re in the danger zone."
The Plan
Ng/Torre
I don't want to play golf. When I hit a ball, I want someone else to go chase it. - Rogers Hornsby
I worry that Torre
would make us nostalgic about Jerry, in the way Jerry managed to re: Willie. I think Torre’s a hack who has benefitted from some stumbling into some very talent-rich situations.
Freddy will do it
The Dodger Plan
Dear Sucker I Mean Met Fan
Thank you for your support if you thought this season was tough to swallow wait til next year. Thanks, The Pons.
-TheKid08
by NetsMets4Life on Oct 4, 2010 6:56 AM EDT up reply actions
I really don't know a lot about Ng
But I think it would be awesome to have the first female GM. Then of course all the bigots who complained about Omar only signing Latin players would complain Ng only signed female players.
You only picked Hale over Bobby V to keep your precious alliteration
I know your game, Cannonlaz3r.
Ryan Miller was the true MVP.
I really hate Jerry.
I'm not too crazy about Hahn
The Whitesox do a decent job at fielding competitive teams, but I just doesn’t seem like they have any organizational philosophy. That sort of makes me uneasy.
I'm still holding out hope for Alderson
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon (and Billy King-Paul G B)
Yeah, Alderson would be an awesome choice.
But I see him more as a team pres.
by Coolpapabell on Oct 4, 2010 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
That works too
Alderson as President
Kim Ng as GM
Bobby V, Wally or Hale as manager
Sign me up!
Sandy Alderson for GM!
R.A. Dickey for Governor!
yeah,
Alderson with a younger GM admin like Byrnes could work but that’ll cost some money… but Hale does seem like a good choice for the dugout.
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Oct 4, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions
This is my ideal Pres/Gm/manager set-up
Save Jenrry Mejia!
In lobby for Josh Byrnes/Chip Hale as Mets 2011 GM/Manager.
P.S.
I was crushed, and still am about not bringing in Kevin Towers.
Hate it
Actually, I don’t hate it, but it’s a four letter word that starts with “H”.
Hart and Valentine anybody?
I really can’t believe nobody has mentioned this yet.
Gas prices today are a lot like a pitcher's ERA. Anything under 3 is amazing, under 4 is pretty good and anything 5 and up is something you want to avoid.
I see what you did there...
And I like it.

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