Wilpon Double Talk
"If you're going to listen to the new GM and he's going to tell you [it will] bring back five pieces or something, then I guess you have to listen," Wilpon said, according to ESPN.com. "I'm not saying we're going to do it, but you'd have to listen."The quote above is Jeff Wilpon responding to a question regarding the next Met GM's ability to remake the franchise by trading a core player like David Wright. Wilpon appears to say here that Met ownership would not out rule any potential deals and the GM would have the opportunity to at the very least, present deals involving core players to ownership. This is an important element for any new GM to have at his disposal and was refreshing to hear Jeff Wilpon apparently say that ownership is open to any avenue the new GM would take in building the franchise.
However, that sentiment lasted 24 hours. Jeff Wilpon felt the need to call David Wright and reassure him that Wright would remain on the team.
"He just wanted to let me know that he wanted me to be here next year, and wants me to be part of the solution for many years," Wright told the Daily News by phone Tuesday. "I agree. I have been here in the good times and the bad times, and I want to be here for years to come."
I can understand that Jeff wanted to stop any media controversy by calling David Wright but I don't understand his explanation. Jeff could have easily said that the team will evaluate all players and no one is safe after the past four years and the new GM will have authority to explore all avenues to build the team. However, telling David Wright outright that Jeff wants him on the team is a huge back track. Jeff has already removed an option the new GM could have to build the team and has demonstrated that ownerships stance on the GM having "complete autonomy" is a load of crap.
This may seem like a non issue to some but it goes to demonstrate the double-mindedness that Met ownership, and Jeff Wilpon in particular, has run this team with for the better part of a decade. You cannot tell the media that you'll listen to any deal the GM presents and then turn around and call a player and basically tell him he isn't being traded no matter what.
Regardless of the words that come out of the Wilpons' mouth, their actions betray them and tell a different story. Like I said this could be a non issue for some fans but for me its a sign that there will be more of the same in Flushing no mater who the GM is.
This FanPost was contributed by a member of the community and was not subject to any vetting or approval process. It does not necessarily reflect the opinions, reasoning skills, or attention to grammar and usage rules held by the editors of this site.
24 comments
|
0 recs |
Do you like this story?
Comments
the Wontpons
are basically weak-kneed. They check to see who is in the room before they say something. Then they have to apologize when they realize their statement is passed along. They have that say-anthing to get-out-of-the-room mentality, much like Omar. They are always reacting, rarely proactive.
If the Wilpons meddle and interfere by preventing David Wright by being traded by
some misguided GM in the future, I approve.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
AA Gamethread Embiggening Record Holder- 453 posts (10/03/10)
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Oct 6, 2010 12:30 PM EDT reply actions
The point is not them trading or not trading David Wright no one wants David to be traded. The point is that the Wilpons alluded that the new GM could absolutely explore any recourse to make the team better including trading a core player like Wright. Only to turn around and tell David that he’s not going anywhere. So what was the point is saying they’d listen to any deal in the first place? To appease the media and to appear as if they don’t have a set agenda. The idea of trading David Wright should not be viewed as the new GM being misguided. The GM should see what is available for ALL the players on the Mets and should not be told who to keep. But any team that comes in has already been told through the media that David Wright is safe.
If the new GM can trade Wright for King Felix and a package of prospects, that deal should be discussed and explored by ownership.
Freedom is a road seldom traveled by the multitudes...
Right...
Last night I posted something about the injury excuse which is similar. They said that the training staff would remain in place even while the team continues to use the injury excuse for 09. These guys are inconsistent all over the place. Basically, they need to get the new GM yesterday and then shut up for a few years.
Minaya gets the blame but nothing much has changed from 6 years ago from an ownership perspective.
The Wilpons have learned to play the game of “full autonomy” in the media but lack the follow through. Here’s a little excerpt from a NYTimes article on Minaya’s hiring;
‘’I said, ’Fred, full autonomy?’ He said, ‘Full autonomy,’‘’ Minaya said, repeating his conversation with Wilpon. ’’As a baseball man, that is a baseball man’s dream. I said, ‘O.K., Fred, I’m willing to talk.‘’’
The perception swirling around the Mets as another unsuccessful season is about to end is that their baseball people have not had full autonomy to make decisions and have been hobbled by interference from the front office, particularly from Fred Wilpon’s son, Jeff, who is the team’s chief operating officer. The result, in the opinion of some baseball executives, is that the Mets have become a dysfunctional organization with too many voices suggesting too many solutions.
Although Fred Wilpon again disagreed with that assessment yesterday, he insisted that Minaya would be left alone to do his job.
‘’Omar will have authority and autonomy over the baseball department,’’ Fred Wilpon said, an answer that may or may not appease an angry fan base and the Mets’ critics in the news media. ‘’He will make the final decisions of the baseball department, and he will have authority with respect to who the new manager will be and matters concerning staff, scouts, player development.’’
6 years ago autonomy was the theme when Minaya was hired and it will be the same theme when the new GM is hired.
Freedom is a road seldom traveled by the multitudes...
Goofed with the blockquote but you get the gist
Freedom is a road seldom traveled by the multitudes...
you're being irrational
right now David Wright is the Mets… at the end of the day, the Wilpons have to have something to sell and Wright is it. They were asked if the new GM will have free reign to take the team in a new direction and they responded affirmatively even using a Wright deal as an example. Obviously the Mets would have to be blown away to deal the face of the franchise but just mentioning it as a possibility was more than enough to warrant the Mets to reassure Wright that he is very much still wanted here.
That’s all that was.
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Oct 6, 2010 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Irrational how?
Where am I advocating the trading of David Wright? I AM advocating that the new GM have REAL powers of authority!!!! If the new GM wants to look into trading David Wright then so be it if it makes the team better in the long run. That option should not be taken away by ownership. What is irrational about that?
Freedom is a road seldom traveled by the multitudes...
Agree...
Any deal to trade Wright would have to be one hell of a deal for the team—and I don’t think anyone on here has been able to put up a reasonable package (at least in my opinion)—but there should be no sacred cows so far as the new GM is concerned. But let’s suppose that the new GM finds a way to make a multi-team deal that includes a couple of solid pitchers, an above-average 2B, and other goodies, he should be given the right to make the calls to set it up.
Although why anyone would give that much away for a four win player
making $15+million a year…
It’s remarkable, and sad, how far Wright’s fallen from his peak.
Maybe Omar will get another job?
Beyond that I’m stumped. Maybe if a team needs to dump salary and in balance. Yeah, it’s a stretch. Point is to never say never.
by MookieTheCat on Oct 7, 2010 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I think you're overreacting
Wilpon only told Wright that he’s in in their plans and he should expect to be here, not that they would never, never, never trade him. Basically Wilpon is saying they’re not planning on actively looking to move him, but if some one called and offered the world, they’d listen. Nothing wrong with that.
Save Jenrry Mejia!
In lobby for Josh Byrnes/Chip Hale as Mets 2011 GM/Manager.
by Ogre39666 on Oct 6, 2010 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
This
The question Wilpon was asked was if it was possible they’d consider trading Wright. It’s possible some other GM would offer a foolishy lopsided deal for Wright that they would have to take time to think about. It’s also possible that Jeff Francoeur leads the league in walks next year. It’s just not very likely. But before headlines like “Mets looking to move Wright” started popping up, he wanted to let Wright know they weren’t planning on getting rid of him and want him to be there a long time, which seems like the proper way for any business to deal with their most valuable employee.
The Wilpons say lots of stupid things – everyone knows that. This time, though, I don’t see the contradiction.
Exactly
This is exactly the opposite of what they usually do. How many times have they alienated their franchise players? Too many. This was an instance where he did right by him. If he doesn’t call Wright, people would be complaining as well (and I’d say rightfully so).
Save Jenrry Mejia!
In lobby for Josh Byrnes/Chip Hale as Mets 2011 GM/Manager.
This....
Is a good post. I think the formula for understanding any statement made by the Wilpons needs to include a step where one sits down and asks “is this real, or based merely in lack of tact, or stupidity, or what?” Any businessperson would be stupid to not listen to a potential deal. And for Wright, the best answer after listening is most likely going to be “not interested.”
how was the option taken away?
Having an option and saying that it is not our plan to trade player X are 2 different things, are they not?
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Oct 7, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Explored, duscussed, and approved in under a minute.
Standard Wilpon idiocy, saying one thing then immediately countering it.
Did anyone really expect anything else? And if the Wilpons promise the new GM autonomy, does anyone expect that promise to be good for a minute longer than the press conference at which it’s made? Nothing that comes out of their mouths is remotely credible.
For some people
there is simply nothing that either Wilpon can do or say right… ever.
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Oct 7, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
You're confused.
That they routinely do and say idiotic things that degrade my favorite team, and the obvious fact there are so many of these idiotic and degrading things that there’s time to point out and cringe with regard to only a few of them doesn’t mean they CAN’T say or do worthwhile things.
It’s merely that they very rarely do. You ought to know that by now.
if you happen to believe everything that's printed...
the local media obviously has a hard on to continue making the Mets look clownish… some of it is surely self-inflicted but this isn’t the real issue with the team.
Every team owner is involved to a point… surely the degrees of involvement differ. It’s amusing when some people don’t want to acknowledge that point. I honestly believe that a strong and effective GM would solve nearly all the perceived dysfunctional issues. To me, that has been the issue here… Minaya and the ineffectively run FO… I honestly don’t believe that ownership wants to be involved in making baseball decisions… their true fault lies in their failure to insist on real accountability which manifests in them keeping people in positions far beyond their period of effectiveness.
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Oct 8, 2010 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Part of this is symptomatic of the Wilpons simply having failed to learn how to operate
a team. If you know what your thoughts are on the subject, and if you know what you’re willing to say in public (usually two different things), these gaffes don’t happen.
Astonishingly enough, they haven’t thought this far. They really didn’t know what they thought on the subject.
my favorite
fred wilpon said he wouldn’t allow anyone to trade this team’s future going into the 2004 season, the same season when the mets would subsequently trade their #2, #5 & #6 prospects (kazmir, huber & peterson, respectively) in a late-season (and wildly unsuccessful) playoff run.
if you haven’t noticed that nearly everything these guys say is meaningless then you haven’t been paying close enough attention.

by 



























