Amazin' Avenue Mets Awards: Worst Starting Pitcher
This vote was a dead heat right up until the end when the true "winner" was revealed. Oliver Perez, who already took home the software for worst relief pitcher, adds another fake trophy to his e-mantel by winning the coveted "Worst Starting Pitcher" award and thus sweeping the Mets pitching Razzies.
At first blush, one might reasonably wonder why this race was as close as it was. As John Maine didn't appear in a big league game after May 20, it's easy to forget how breathtakingly wretched he was through nine starts. He actually threw six more innings as a starter than Perez, which I guess is something.
While poring over the boxscores and cumulative 2010 stats, what struck me most about the Mets starting pitchers this year is how few utter disasters there were. Perez and Maine were terrible, but only for 30 or so innings apiece. Fernando Nieve was only given one start, and while it was an unmitigated stinker (two innings, five runs, three walks against the Brewers), it was still just two innings. Raul Valdes likewise had just one start, on the penultimate day of the season, and it wasn't even an awful one.
Jenrry Mejia made three September starts, two bad and one cut short by a right shoulder strain. Just 11.1 innings in aggregate. Dillon Gee tossed 33 innings over five starts with great results but an iffy process (lots of walks and very few strikeouts). On balance, I wouldn't say he was awful because he got hitters out and didn't allow many runs, but pitchers with his peripherals almost never get those results over a long enough stretch of games.
Even Pat Misch, who didn't look spectacular out there, walked so few hitters and collected enough ground outs to make himself pretty useful in a half-dozen starts.
So given that there wasn't much to choose from, Perez is the winner here by a slim margin over likely former Met Maine. Amazingly, Perez was voted the Mets worst starter and reliever despite throwing just 46.1 total innings. Such is the density of his decrepitude, a black hole of baseball suckiness.
Here is how everyone voted.
| 1st | 2nd | 3rd | |
|---|---|---|---|
| Alex | Oliver Perez | John Maine | Fernando Nieve |
| Eno | Oliver Perez | John Maine | Raul Valdes |
| Eric | John Maine | Oliver Perez | Fernando Nieve |
| James | Oliver Perez | John Maine | Fernando Nieve |
| Joe | Oliver Perez | John Maine | Pat Misch |
| Mark | Oliver Perez | John Maine | Fernando Nieve |
| Matthew | Oliver Perez | John Maine | Raul Valdes |
| Rob | Oliver Perez | John Maine | Jenrry Mejia |
| Sam | John Maine | Oliver Perez |
And here is the final vote tally.
| Player | Points |
|---|---|
| Oliver Perez | 25 |
| John Maine | 20 |
| Fernando Nieve | 4 |
| Raul Valdes | 2 |
| Pat Misch | 1 |
| Jenrry Mejia | 1 |
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Ollie Perez may not have won a game this season but
he has certainly won a place (actually two places now) now in the collective hearts of Mets fans.
He has to be one of the most god-awful pitchers to collect a major league paycheck at this point (and a pricy paycheck at that). How was signing him to that deal ever a good idea? I mean, I was kind of reluctantly for it at the time but I never thought he’d get 3 years guaranteed. Sorry but did Scott Boras drug Omar when he got him to sign the contract? I just don’t understand how this could happen.
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by Steve Schreiber on Nov 15, 2010 2:07 PM EST reply actions
It really is kind of astonishing
and a testament to Scott Boras’ ability to shop crap and be taken seriously
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by blueandorange4life on Nov 15, 2010 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
Ollie is pretty much cleaning up at these awards
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At least he's good at something!
positivity FTW!
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by Steve Schreiber on Nov 15, 2010 2:14 PM EST up reply actions
Did I Miss Something
How did Pat Misch get a vote as worst starter? He pitched adequate in that role last year. Certainly better then Nieve.
by Delgado on Nov 15, 2010 2:20 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I'll answer that
It was more a process of elimination. The Met starting pitching was actually pretty decent this year and I was debating who to give that third spot to as none of the candidates really were that awful. Figured I’d vote for the guy who was unimpressive in 6 starts rather than the guys who was unimpressive in 1 start (Valdes) and the guy who was a disaster in 1 start (Nieve).
That makes sense.
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by Thomas Wachtel on Nov 15, 2010 2:36 PM EST up reply actions
Unimpressive shouldn't even be mentioned in the same article as unmitigated walking clusterfuck
Misch was not impressive as a s tarter but does not deserve mention here.
Shame on you Joe, shame!
by ScottfromPeekskill on Nov 15, 2010 11:00 PM EST up reply actions
Maine?
honestly, sometimes Ollie is so bad we just take his badness for granted.
I was way wrong about Jeff Francoeur . . . but at least I wasn't paid for it.
injured
Well, Maine was injured the entire time, and the Mets failed to realize it and instead blamed him, and he in turn blamed them right back. Perez wasn’t actually injured, just unrecovered. (although if Manuel/Mets handles it better, maybe he doesn’t pitch long enough to even be remembered last year)
-Ceetar, the Optimistic Mets Fan
I was expressing some surprise that two esteemed AAers
put him ahead of Ollie as the worst starter. Honestly, starters don’t come any worse than Ollie. I think they’re taking his awfulness for granted.
I was way wrong about Jeff Francoeur . . . but at least I wasn't paid for it.
They were about equally bad
and I wanted to spread some of the voting around. I figured Oliver was already going to be taking the stage quite a bit at the ceremony at Carnegie Hall on Decemer 4th, hosted by Kevin Burkhardt.
Maine
I think he’s suffering from the soft bigotry of slightly above apocalyptic expectations.
I was way wrong about Jeff Francoeur . . . but at least I wasn't paid for it.
Maine and Perez
Were of approximately equal awfulness. Perez maybe a tad worse, Maine for a few more innings. Seems like a toss-up.
I disagree
Maine walked 25 batters and struck out 39 in his 39 innings. He walked WAY too many hitters, but his strikeout rate was actually a career high, and as has been mentioned, he was hurt.
Perez, ostensibly healthy, walked 28 batters and only struck out 27 in 33 innings as a starter.
I don’t really understand how 6 extra innings of better pitching makes Maine a worse pitcher.
2009 Did Not Happen
It's really academic though
It’s like arguing that it’s “better” to be beaten over the head with a fireplace poker than a tire iron.
I was way wrong about Jeff Francoeur . . . but at least I wasn't paid for it.
If you really want to go ahead and calculate FIPs
Ollie gave up 5 homers in 33 IP.
Maine gave up 8 homers in 39 IP.
Perez had the lower ERA and for 6 fewer IP, doesn’t seem like a crazy vote to me. Ollie was actually averaging more innings per start too.
Ollie's suck is more clutch and grissiony
"We have gotten to the point where not only big market clubs are going over slot, but small market clubs are going over slot, and they see it as a competitive advantage. I don’t think we can be left behind in that regard. I think that we've got to be open minded about it, and we intend to be." - Sandy Alderson
by Russ on Nov 15, 2010 4:09 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
This statement seems to me to be
inarguable.
It's not that Maine is clearly worse
But it’s close enough that I think Maine is a justifiable choice. It’s also worth mentioning that six innings is 20% more than what Perez threw as a starter.
Maine also recorded a bunch of k's in that game against the dodgers
with the insane wind. I think that might be an instance of a small sample size being skewed by other variables.
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And Maine LIED.
Seriosuly, tho, he was hurt, wasn’t he? And Ollie only pretended to be hurt to save the Mets a confrontation with Scott Boras, the league, the MLBPA, or all three. Worked out well.
I was way wrong about Jeff Francoeur . . . but at least I wasn't paid for it.
I think that if Ollie deserved the votes, he should get the votes.
Look, we Mets fans have gone through much suffering through the years. We finally get the Babe Ruth of Suck, and we want this celebrated. We want the whole world to know that no baseball team has a player who is as effective at being awful as LOLlie.
"We have gotten to the point where not only big market clubs are going over slot, but small market clubs are going over slot, and they see it as a competitive advantage. I don’t think we can be left behind in that regard. I think that we've got to be open minded about it, and we intend to be." - Sandy Alderson
It takes a special pitcher
to win worst starter & reliever in one season. Speaking of awards, is there gonna be a SB Nation awards post?
What's that about?
When can we expect that to be made public?
"We have gotten to the point where not only big market clubs are going over slot, but small market clubs are going over slot, and they see it as a competitive advantage. I don’t think we can be left behind in that regard. I think that we've got to be open minded about it, and we intend to be." - Sandy Alderson
I still will always love watching Oliver's at bats
assuming he’s ever given another one. Heck, stick him at third base if the Mets are ever down like twenty runs. It would be sorta like in video games when you pinch hit with someone and then forget to sub in a relief pitcher and he throws 64 mph fastballs.
Travis Hafner is made of gold
I think Sam is getting kickbacks from Oliver Perez
He didn’t get on his Worst RP ballot and he’s 2nd on his Worst SP ballot.
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Where's Ollie going to get the money for payoffs?
Surrriously, he's probably destitute!
I was way wrong about Jeff Francoeur . . . but at least I wasn't paid for it.
He can always hit up Charlie Samuels
What's the score, boys?
What did Bugs Bunny do?
What's with the Carrot League baseball today?
by StorkFan on Nov 15, 2010 9:41 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Can this award
at least be named for Brian Lawrence?
As for why, my rationale: yes, there have been other extremely awful Mets starters, but it would be in poor taste to name it after some of them (e.g. Jose Lima) and others have at least given us some positive memories to go with the awfulness (e.g. Ollie). I have nothing good to say about Brian Lawrence as a Met.
by dontstopbelieving on Nov 15, 2010 4:24 PM EST reply actions
The relief award could then be named
“The Rich Rodriguez Award”
Or Donne Wall. Or Luis Ayala. Or Guillermo Mota. Take your pick.
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by Steve Schreiber on Nov 15, 2010 4:40 PM EST up reply actions
To be fair to Mota
He was pretty damn lights-out in the regular season of 2006. Stunk it up thereafter, but he was dominant when he first came over.
Rich Rodriguez in a heartbeat. Or Barry Manuel.
by dontstopbelieving on Nov 15, 2010 4:51 PM EST up reply actions
True but I think
the entire 2007 season (along with the 2006 playoffs) cancels out the month and a half of likely steroid induced dominance in August and September of 2006.
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by Steve Schreiber on Nov 15, 2010 5:19 PM EST up reply actions
I think the award should be named after the only Met player to clean sweep the awards
the award should be called the “Ollie” and should be a statue of a left handed 3/4 arm pitcher made completely of polished turd. If we can’t find a turd smelly enough to polish them just take a really fresh one and roll it in gold glitter.
by ScottfromPeekskill on Nov 15, 2010 11:04 PM EST up reply actions
I think this needs refinement...
It should be what you say on a PitchFX background where every pitch is outside of the box.
It's a triumph of number crunching over the human spirit...aaaaaand, it’s about time. -- Play-by-Play Announcer, The Simpsons.
by MookieTheCat on Nov 15, 2010 11:46 PM EST up reply actions
Populist choices
Victor Zambrano or Armando Benitez
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by Thaddeus Ballpheasant on Nov 16, 2010 1:03 AM EST up reply actions
god i hated that guy
Hey, wait! I'm having one of those things. You know? A headache with pictures?
by KeithsMoustache on Nov 15, 2010 8:31 PM EST up reply actions
It's easy to blame Ollie and Maine.
Too easy, in my humble opinion. On anything other than a pitifully poorly run club, neither would have sniffed a spot in the starting rotation. I put much of the blame on Minaya and Manuel.
And, since somehow I missed voting on this, I'm voting for Manuel.
The man used the leverage he had to have Mejia pitch middle relief, rather than get Maine and Perez the bloody frak out of the rotation.
I was hoping he would have won
team mate of the year
Bobby V. for manager, Wally B. for bench coach.
That one will go to Frankie Rodriguez.
I'm sure of it.
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by Steve Schreiber on Nov 15, 2010 7:22 PM EST up reply actions
Misch doesn't belong on list
there were a lot of guys who had worse seasons
he appeared in 12 games, 6 starts and 6 relief
in his 6 starts he gave up 3 or less ER in 6 or more IP 4 times, then 3Er in 4.2, and 5 in3IP. 33.2IP/4.27 ERA/ 4BB/ 21K
far better than Maine, Perez, Nieve, Valdes, and Mejia
RP- 6 games/4IP/4hits/0 BB
Any task BIG or small, Do it well or not at all
Gee
might be one os these guys that is good despite a lot of base runners
Any task BIG or small, Do it well or not at all
Those guys
Are never good for a sustained period of time.
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