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The Apple Never Falls Far: A Genealogy Of The Mets' Front Office

I've always liked "coaching trees" in football as a means to track the dispersion and progression of various strategies throughout the game. And while there isn't an exact analogue to the NFL Head Coach in baseball, the general manager, who hands down a set of values for the team and its minor league affiliates, comes close. 

As currently constructed, the Mets front office reflects the trees of two men: Frank Cashen and Sandy Alderson, who both enjoyed their greatest success in the mid-80's. If the Mets do the likely and hire Terry Collins as their manager, they will have replenished the organization entirely from Alderson's tree:

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That's not a bad thing, though. The last time the Mets went outside the organization to fill the GM position, before Alderson, was in 1980, when Nelson Doubleday hired Frank Cashen. Fred Wilpon had previously picked all his GM's from one tree:

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The bolded names above are, of course, six of the twelve general managers in the Mets' history. The Cashen tree also branches off noticeably less than the Alderson tree, which has produced a varied range of front office and managerial talents.  

I want to explore the strategic implications of the switch another day, but just on their own, these charts illustrate the deeper significance of the Alderson hire. The Mets didn't just hire their twelfth GM to replace their eleventh. They reversed thirty years of stagnancy. 

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It's not horrible until you get to Cashen's grandkids.

I was way wrong about Jeff Francoeur . . . but at least I wasn't paid for it.

by tmu on Nov 16, 2010 10:27 AM EST reply actions  

Uhh, no.

Harazin & McIlvaine were complete disasters.

"There’s talent in these here waters. Alderson just has to clear up the algae around the edges." - RJ Anderson / Fangraphs

by Dandy Salderson on Nov 16, 2010 10:45 AM EST up reply actions  

Harazin, maybe.

 McIlvaine wasn’t terrible. Didn’t have much to work with and his trades were OK. He presided over the meltdown of Generation K. Can’t see that that was his fault. Found guys like Rick Reed.

I was way wrong about Jeff Francoeur . . . but at least I wasn't paid for it.

by tmu on Nov 16, 2010 10:51 AM EST up reply actions  

McIlvane

Didn’t he find Johan in Venezuela?

I might be wrong.

by metsman07 on Nov 16, 2010 10:52 AM EST up reply actions  

He was an excellent scout

but “erratic behavior” led to his ouster as GM, IIRC.

He had one serious dog of a trade in San Diego as their GM (losing Carter and Alomar for McGriff and Fernandez.)

I was way wrong about Jeff Francoeur . . . but at least I wasn't paid for it.

by tmu on Nov 16, 2010 10:58 AM EST up reply actions  

He gave away a young Burnitz for nothing

But it is less about what he did and more about what he didnt do. Those were some bland years.

"There’s talent in these here waters. Alderson just has to clear up the algae around the edges." - RJ Anderson / Fangraphs

by Dandy Salderson on Nov 16, 2010 10:55 AM EST up reply actions  

That's grasping.

If he didn’t sign a bunch of free agents, maybe that wasn’t by choice? They had an expensive team in ’93 that tanked miserably, and Gen K flamed out. He did a decent job reshuffling.

I was way wrong about Jeff Francoeur . . . but at least I wasn't paid for it.

by tmu on Nov 16, 2010 11:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Hunsicker

I should have looked him up before I posted. Hunsicker was worse than all the rest – even third generation.

"There’s talent in these here waters. Alderson just has to clear up the algae around the edges." - RJ Anderson / Fangraphs

by Dandy Salderson on Nov 16, 2010 10:58 AM EST up reply actions  

I think he's done OK since then.

I was way wrong about Jeff Francoeur . . . but at least I wasn't paid for it.

by tmu on Nov 16, 2010 11:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Hunsicker Was Never GM.

He was an assistant GM under Cashen, Harazin and McIlvaine. Hunsicker left in 1995 to join the Astros where he had great success.

by millsy on Nov 16, 2010 5:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Joe Mc is hard to evaluate

Like you said, great scouting mind but we can’t really tell how much ownership impacted his major league signings/trades.

by FrancoTAU on Nov 16, 2010 9:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Jockety is a good brotherhood.

With what W. Jockety has done with the Reds and previously with St. Louis, I’d say that’s a good genealogy for Alderson!

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by carolinamet on Nov 16, 2010 11:08 AM EST reply actions  

hey, look at the bright side

It didn’t say “click to embiggen.”

Jayzuz Crispen on a pogo stick, the word is ENLARGE!!

Ok, rant over. No more coffee for me.

by AJ_in_VA on Nov 16, 2010 1:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Ahem...

Embiggen is a perfectly cromulent word.

by CTRefJay on Nov 16, 2010 1:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Dude, seriously?

Thus Spoke Keith Hernandez

"The lesson behind Moneyball is that if you are clever in your use of resources, you can gain power beyond your station. It is not, never has been, and never will be, that 'computer models' should take over the world." - Graham

Check ze tweets

by Thomas Wachtel on Nov 16, 2010 3:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Sir...

You appear to be unfamiliar with the statue of Jebediah Springfield that sits right in the town square. You should go a Google images search, and that might embiggen your perspective.

It's a triumph of number crunching over the human spirit...aaaaaand, it’s about time. -- Play-by-Play Announcer, The Simpsons.

by MookieTheCat on Nov 16, 2010 11:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Hunsicker Was Never Mets GM

He was an assistant under Cashen, Harazin and McIlvaine (see Wikipedia below). He left in 1995 to become GM of the Astros where he did a great job. He is now a senior exec in Tampa, another franchise moving in the right direction. Things could have been very different for the Mets if Hunsicker had become GM rather than Steve Phillips.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerry_Hunsicker

by millsy on Nov 16, 2010 5:30 PM EST reply actions  

Yes. Cashen Did Not Leave A Strong Team Behind

although some successful people left over the years to run other teams including Hunsicker and Lou Gorman who did a good job running the Red Sox for much of the 1980s and early 90s.

by millsy on Nov 16, 2010 10:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Cashen was what they needed at the time.

He always was terrible with free agents. Kingman and Foster in the early 80s into the terrible early 90s signing spree. He was good at evaluating young talent and fleecing teams for theirs.

by FrancoTAU on Nov 17, 2010 12:26 AM EST up reply actions  

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