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Brian Cashman Tells Derek Jeter To Pound Sand

Perhaps not in so many words, but Yankees GM Brian Cashman has made an offer to no-good do-gooder Derek Jeter, and if Captain Fantastic doesn't like it he can go piss up a rope.

"We understand his contributions to the franchise and our offer has taken them into account. We've encouraged him to test the market and see if there's something he would prefer other than this. If he can, fine. That's the way it works."

The Yankees latest offer was reportedly for three years and $45 million, which is apparently a punch in the gut to Jeter, who finished 2010 with the worst batting average (.270), on-base percentage (.340), and slugging percentage (.370) of his career. For a variety of reasons both maudlin and merchandise-related, Jeter is probably more valuable to the Yankees than he is to most other teams. Nevertheless, I find it hard to fathom that some other team will give him upwards of $50 million for his age 37-39 seasons.

Discussion question: Would you care to see Derek Jeter play second base for the Mets, and if so what kind of contract would you offer him?

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Hell no!

I’d rather sign Orlando Hudson to a short term contract, if we’re going free agent shopping. We at least know that Hudson can play 2B. Jeter would have to learn that position at a time when he should be thinking about hanging up his glove.

"The Mets are gonna be amazing." - Casey Stengel

by Russ on Nov 23, 2010 4:00 PM EST reply actions  

The most important part is, it's F***ing Jeter! Do not want him in any case, shape or form wearing a Mets uniform.

Despite his likely (declining) offensive contributions, edge, calm eyes, whatever, DO NOT WANT.

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by Michkin on Nov 23, 2010 4:04 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Calm eyes

are worth at least $8m a year. Parents, get your kids practicing with.. um.. that!

by twincitiesknick on Nov 23, 2010 5:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Amen to this, Michkin!

The idea of this is pure blasphemy.

My 5-year old daughter even hates the Ravens.

by SundaysWithTroy on Nov 23, 2010 5:16 PM EST up reply actions  

No Way

You don’t take over the Hill Yankees unless you want to be 2nd fiddle

by Sir Tmac on Nov 23, 2010 5:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Good.

Well, when a player is offered a contract for at least twice what he’s likely to be worth, and that’s considered on par with “bugger off”, the player isn’t doing too badly in the negotiations.

I still think they’ll move towards 3/60. After all, in a lot of the Yankees’ negotiations, they end up adding a year to what seems like an initial, generous offer, or bumping the money up by the initial AAV. .At any rate, it’s hard to feel poorly for the guy, since 3/45 is more than enough to keep Jeter in Minka.

by Jack Str on Nov 23, 2010 4:03 PM EST reply actions  

On a different note

This whole negotiation is great. Jeter’s agent’s negotiating style seems like he is just yelling “COME ON!” at the Yankees rather than basing it on anything legitimate. The 3 year, 45 million dollar offer is a total joke for Jeter’s current talent as is.

by True Blue4 on Nov 23, 2010 4:05 PM EST reply actions   2 recs

I agree, this negotiation is very entertaining

especially when you hear Jeter’s agent comparing him to Babe Ruth, I think that’s when the Yankees hung up the phone in fits of laughter.

by crazyremy on Nov 23, 2010 9:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Jeter's negotiating tactic is essentially just saying "But I'm Derek Jeter!" over and over again.

Thus Spoke Keith Hernandez

"The lesson behind Moneyball is that if you are clever in your use of resources, you can gain power beyond your station. It is not, never has been, and never will be, that 'computer models' should take over the world." - Graham

Check ze tweets

by Thomas Wachtel on Nov 23, 2010 10:16 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

i'd see him in boston reds

before anything else if he really wanted to stick it to junior

by Wright of passage on Nov 23, 2010 4:05 PM EST reply actions  

IIRC

Coney Island has had it for years.

It's a triumph of number crunching over the human spirit...aaaaaand, it’s about time. -- Play-by-Play Announcer, The Simpsons.

by MookieTheCat on Nov 24, 2010 1:26 PM EST up reply actions  

dont know why everyone's surprised

Yankees did this with Pettite, Bernie Williams, even Joe Torre. they’re not in the business of giving sweetheart contracts to fading stars, even Jeter. they know they can live without Jeter, and that Jeter can’t live without them

by Matthew Callan on Nov 23, 2010 4:08 PM EST reply actions  

Yes indeed.

And Babe Ruth. And Roger Maris. Apparently they’re not going to give Rivera everything he wants either.

by Jack Str on Nov 23, 2010 6:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Uh, No thanks.

Doesn’t matter. Francessa just announced ’ No issue here. they’ll get it done and Jeter will sign’.

by MetsFan4Decades on Nov 23, 2010 4:08 PM EST reply actions  

In that case, he'll be in Kansas City this time next week.

Thus Spoke Keith Hernandez

"The lesson behind Moneyball is that if you are clever in your use of resources, you can gain power beyond your station. It is not, never has been, and never will be, that 'computer models' should take over the world." - Graham

Check ze tweets

by Thomas Wachtel on Nov 23, 2010 10:17 PM EST up reply actions  

hmmm aging player, bat in decline, substandard range, Yankee ties, absurd contract demands

I’ll pass.

Hey, wait! I'm having one of those things. You know? A headache with pictures?

by KeithsMoustache on Nov 23, 2010 4:08 PM EST reply actions  

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no, but if i did, $2million for 1 year with a vesting option He can have Cora’s job.

-Ceetar, the Optimistic Mets Fan

by Ceetar on Nov 23, 2010 4:10 PM EST reply actions  

Kick Rocks Jeter

your too old to be asking for all that money…….in a couple of more years he will be 40 and will not be getting any better

by Jermal on Nov 23, 2010 4:11 PM EST reply actions  

Cashman

While it’s still too much money for Jeter, I do get the feeling that somewhere George Weiss is smiling. There’s some room in baseball for sentimentality, but there isn’t much.

I think Jeter has no intention of going anywhere but back to the Yankees.

by Alex Nelson on Nov 23, 2010 4:11 PM EST reply actions  

but if nobody else takes him

doesn’t that leave NY room to lowball him more? He’s not going to sit out a year, and no team is going to offer anywhere near what the Yankees are. If he spends the whole offseason fishing for a better contract, and gets no comparable offers, I can see them trying to drop a few mil off the top since he’ll have no other choice.

Hey, wait! I'm having one of those things. You know? A headache with pictures?

by KeithsMoustache on Nov 23, 2010 4:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah--it seems like it's very much in Jeter's interest to get this done quickly.

Most people understand that forty five million dollars is a hell of a lot of money, and even most Yankee fans understand Jeter isn’t getting paid that much becuae he’s still a star on the field. My guess is that if the Ynakees are willing to budge Jeter will be perfectly content to sign and his flacks will be able to claim the team recognized his true worth. The Yankees also know this, so unless I’m completely missing something and Jeter really does think he’s worth 6/120, I’m pretty sure both sides know where they are, and they’re much close than it seems.

I initially thought 3/60, but I’m going to go with 3/56.7, keeping the AAV what it was for the last decade. It implies Jeter is still the same player as he’s been, and doesn’t put the Yankees on the hook for a ridiculous number of years.

by Jack Str on Nov 23, 2010 5:09 PM EST up reply actions  

The Yankees are not going

to renege on an offer to Derek Jeter.

by Alex Nelson on Nov 23, 2010 5:14 PM EST up reply actions  

You're right, Alex, but I still enjoy the idea

of it going something like,

“As of this minute, Derek, the offer’s 3/45. At 12:01, it’ll be 3/44. At 12:02, it’ll be 3/43. A million a minute. That’s what this will cost you. So, you sit there in your fancy penthouse, and think about it. Just think about it and just remember that every sixty seconds that passes costs you one million dollars. Don’t fuck with me, Jeter. I’m not Hank Steinbrenner because I was lucky enough to be born to some lucky schmuck.”

by Jack Str on Nov 23, 2010 7:22 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree

If he shops around the league and nobody offers him anything close, why should the yankees continue to offer him as much. He had his chance, turned it down, and when he comes crawling back, they should lowball his ass into the ground. I know they won’t but I wish they would oh so badly.

Hey, wait! I'm having one of those things. You know? A headache with pictures?

by KeithsMoustache on Nov 24, 2010 12:02 AM EST up reply actions  

Devil's Advocate

I’d give him a decent amount of money for a one-year deal. He had a .390 wOBA in 2009. I wouldn’t expect anything near that next year, but I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s significantly better at the plate than he was this past season, especially if he made the switch to the NL. He’d almost certainly be better than any of our internal options at second, and there aren’t a whole lot of other free agents second basemen who are going to definitely be better than him (if any). Add in the fact that Yankees fans would be miserable, and the fact that Jeter is a "winner"* and I don’t see why not. I wouldn’t give him any kind of multi-year deal though, unless you so heavily frontloaded the contract that moving or releasing him after a year would be a piece of cake.

*Whether clubhouse chemistry exists or not, Jeter has a rep as a winning ballplayer. Coming to the Mets, it either plays out that chemistry does exist, and Jeter infects the Mets clubhouse with his winning ways, or the Mets lack of talent helps prove that Jeter was only a winner because he played on the Yankees. Win/win.

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by cjmulrain on Nov 23, 2010 4:13 PM EST reply actions  

He's a defensive liability at SS

How do you think that he’ll perform at 2B, which he doesn’t even know how to play? A Jeter 2B UZR could easily wipe out any gains from an improved wOBA.

Duda at 2B might not be worse. That’s how bad Jeter would be.

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by Russ on Nov 23, 2010 4:21 PM EST up reply actions  

I think you're exaggerating

He’d have to learn new angles, and the double play pivot, but I doubt he’d be a defensive disaster.

by EricAColucci on Nov 23, 2010 4:26 PM EST up reply actions  

For a guy with no lateral movement

learning to play 2B will probably only recreate “the Murphy scenairo”. Besides, there’s every reason for Jeter to know how difficult it is to play 2b, and that there’s a very good chance he’ll look like a fool or get hurt, or both. He won’t do it unless he’s desperate, and 41.

by Jack Str on Nov 23, 2010 5:11 PM EST up reply actions  

He's a bit of a defensive disaster at short

and he’s been doing that for decades. I don’t know how he’d be better at something he’s never done, unless second base was the position he was born to play.

Thus Spoke Keith Hernandez

"The lesson behind Moneyball is that if you are clever in your use of resources, you can gain power beyond your station. It is not, never has been, and never will be, that 'computer models' should take over the world." - Graham

Check ze tweets

by Thomas Wachtel on Nov 23, 2010 10:20 PM EST up reply actions  

2b is ahead of SS on the fielding spectrum

Jeter seems like a pretty smart guy, I think he could figure out how to pivot on the double play turn. Other than that, it’s not like you’re asking a center fielder to play catcher.

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by cjmulrain on Nov 23, 2010 4:27 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree with Russ.

People strongly tend to underrate how difficult it is to play 2B, especially for a player like Jeter in his baseball dotage.

by Jack Str on Nov 23, 2010 7:33 PM EST up reply actions  

the problem is he doesn't want a decent amount of money for a one year deal

he wants a huge amount of money on a long-term deal

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by Gina on Nov 23, 2010 8:17 PM EST up reply actions  

That "decent amount of money on a one year deal" is what I've heard elsewhere

suggested as what happens if the Spanks take Jeter to arbitration. Guess it’s too late for arb now, but getting Jeter for the year of his 3000th hit, even if it means paying him around $20m, doesn’t sound like a bad idea at all. Then either let him go or treat him like any other player, which this offseason would mean 2/20 or less, maybe with a vest if he stays on the field.

by Jack Str on Nov 24, 2010 4:36 AM EST up reply actions  

The thing that bothers me about the Jeter situation

is the fear that he’ll go elsewhere and leave the Yankees with a void at shortstop in the next few years (Eduardo Nunez notwithstanding). In a desire to get a younger, more athletic option at shortstop, the Yankees put out a 5-year offer in December 2011 to free agent shortstop JOSE REYES. ::screams::

Jeter, please stay with the Yankees. I beg you.

by MattT516 on Nov 23, 2010 4:16 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

extension

the #1 reason the Mets should be extending Reyes. Boston has been looking for a SS for ages too.

-Ceetar, the Optimistic Mets Fan

by Ceetar on Nov 23, 2010 4:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Sign him!

Bear with me on this statistical analysis for a second:

Derek Jeter has won 5 World Series in 15 years. Therefore, there is a one in three chance that the Mets will win the World Series if they sign him. We should pay him 1/3 of the value of a World Series per year for as long as he’s still living. If he lives to be 97 that’s 20 championships!

by David Rogoff on Nov 23, 2010 4:17 PM EST reply actions  

Those stats miss the picture . . .

Its the 14 out of 15 chance to make the playoffs that really sells me. We could practically print playoff tickets. And to think, I thought next year could be a rebuilding year.

by goquakers on Nov 23, 2010 4:27 PM EST up reply actions  

it would be fun to stick it to the yankees

and seeing jeter hitting #3000 in a mets uni.

that said, a one year deal, sure. I’ll take him for one year. 1 year for more than 15 mil? i don’t think so.

And he better be on second base. no more moving jose around.

by attgig on Nov 23, 2010 4:23 PM EST reply actions  

even more gratifying than

watching Toothless Tom Gl*vine win 300 or whatever.

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by itsmetsforme on Nov 23, 2010 4:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Did any Mets fans get excited about seeing Glavine win his 300th in with the Mets?

It was pleasant to watch, but I never felt Glavine was more than a rental, even after he’d been here for a few years.

by Jack Str on Nov 23, 2010 5:12 PM EST up reply actions  

it made me sick to my stomach

glavotage is never pleasant to watch

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by itsmetsforme on Nov 23, 2010 5:34 PM EST up reply actions  

I didn't hate him that much yet. I was happy for him.

Not anymore, though.

Thus Spoke Keith Hernandez

"The lesson behind Moneyball is that if you are clever in your use of resources, you can gain power beyond your station. It is not, never has been, and never will be, that 'computer models' should take over the world." - Graham

Check ze tweets

by Thomas Wachtel on Nov 23, 2010 10:21 PM EST up reply actions  

I enjoyed watching him get 300 as a Met

but I still like the guy

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by KeithsMoustache on Nov 24, 2010 12:03 AM EST up reply actions  

Would you care to see Derek Jeter play second base for the Mets?

Sure, for like a year and $5 million. That’s what he’s worth when all the calm-eyes, aura and mystique bullshit is stripped away.

"It’s just everytime we think the bar can’t get lower, they lower it. Now next year we’ll just be happy to hear that rogue shirtless officials aren’t implementing useless detrimental drills in spring training for no apparent reason."

-Gina, 3/1/10

by Greenpoint Ian on Nov 23, 2010 4:26 PM EST reply actions  

the mets could make

jeter a loser

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by itsmetsforme on Nov 23, 2010 4:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Jeter on the Mets is a lose-lose with Yankees fans

Here are all the situations with a Yankees fan response.

If Jeter is bad and Mets are bad: “Well the Mets suck anyway and they rubbed off on him.”

If Jeter is good and Mets are bad: “The Mets suck, but Jeter is still a beast, look at his ringzzz!”

If Jeter is good and Mets are good: “See, its because of Jeter that the Mets did good! He turned the franchise around!”

If Jeter is bad and Mets are good: “See, its because of Jeter that the Mets did good! He turned the franchise around!”

Gas prices today are a lot like a pitcher's ERA. Anything under 3 is amazing, under 4 is pretty good and anything 5 and up is something you want to avoid.

by Bobby Baseball on Nov 23, 2010 4:32 PM EST reply actions  

I don't think so

I think they’d turn on him. He’s beloved, but no more beloved than Favre was in Green Bay, and Green Bay fans are way less douchey than Yankees fans, and yet they DESPISE Favre now. I think if Jeter signs anywhere else, but ESPECIALLY if he signs with us or the Red Sox, Yankees fans will turn on him.

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by cjmulrain on Nov 23, 2010 4:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah you're probably right

In that case I want to see the Mets sign him and watch all the Yankees fans melt

Gas prices today are a lot like a pitcher's ERA. Anything under 3 is amazing, under 4 is pretty good and anything 5 and up is something you want to avoid.

by Bobby Baseball on Nov 24, 2010 9:32 AM EST up reply actions  

call me crazy but I would sign him for a one year deal with an option

I don’t think he could be that bad at 2b and I think he can still hit a little. And it would be totally worth it just to see the Yankees go nuts. Will never happen though.

by Endys Game on Nov 23, 2010 4:42 PM EST reply actions  

Even if he could provide value

and I could get past the fact that he’s Jeter, it would be a complete season-long soap opera that would overwhelm everything else going on. While it would be fun to watch the Yankees fans implode, the whole thing would turn really tiresome very quickly.

by Mount17 on Nov 23, 2010 4:53 PM EST reply actions  

no way in hell

i’d rather see Jeter in the minors. it’s time he leaves te league. The buffalo bisons would take him

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by ThatJayhawk on Nov 23, 2010 4:53 PM EST reply actions  

What about Mariano?

That is the guy they should be throwing money at. Can we make a run at him?

by Endys Game on Nov 23, 2010 4:57 PM EST reply actions  

Mariano is someone who we should avoid

Too expensive, and he would provide too little of an upgrade.

There really no free agents in this market who are “must-haves.”

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by Russ on Nov 23, 2010 4:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Im sorry Russ

He is not an upgrade over who? The Father in law beater?

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by dmitchell624 on Nov 23, 2010 6:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Did you read what I wrote?

I wrote “too little of an upgrade.” I did not write “not an upgrade.”

Also, Mariano Rivera could experience a noticeable decline next year in the strike zone. Now that it is public knowledge that Rivera gets consistently favorable calls, at a time when umpires have some under great scrutiny, don’t be surprised if his strike zone shrinks up moving forward.

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by Russ on Nov 23, 2010 6:23 PM EST up reply actions  

i would be real surprised

if Mariano stops getting the calls based on a blog post, even a very good one. Public knowledge didn’t prevent the Br*ves pitchers from spending a decade getting way outside stuff called strikes.

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by itsmetsforme on Nov 23, 2010 8:42 PM EST up reply actions  

this

btb has done tons of pitch fx data like that showing how awful and inconsistent umpires are. It hasn’t changed anything.

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by Gina on Nov 23, 2010 8:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Cliff Lee's probably a must have for the Yankees

if you go along with their craving to win the WS every year. Hell, the Mets had a better rotation than the Yankees.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/pl/player_search.cgi?search=yankees+2010

I’d forgotten that the Yankees had only two starters who were respectably above average in 2010 in Sabathia and Pettitte. Burnett and Vasquez were really bad, Vasquez is gone, Burnett seems to have ongoing troubles, and Pettitte’ll be 39. Hughes was decent, but nothing more than that, and his only really good year to date involved 89 innings. I’ve got to think if you’re Cashman, you’re not replacing Burnett’s 4/64 remaining; you have to see what Hughes can continue to do, Sabathia’s your ace, and if Pettitte’s willing to come back he’s about as reliable a bet as there is for a number two starter despite his age. That leaves you only one slot left to fill in a rotation that’s not exactly awesome otherwise. Who else do you go for but Cliff Lee? If you put de la Rosa in that rotation instead, there’s a lot that can go wrong.

I’m sure that’s why the Yankees fired such a loud opening shot. They need Lee badly..

by Jack Str on Nov 24, 2010 4:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Mariano

is asking the Yankees for 2 years, 18MIL a year.

by MetsFan4Decades on Nov 23, 2010 5:03 PM EST up reply actions  

They're offering one.

I can see not wanting to pay that AAV, but two years for Rivera, even though he’s in his dotage, doesn’t seem outrageous. Well, their negotiating points are dollars and years, so they’ll pick a fight with one to bring down the other.

by Jack Str on Nov 24, 2010 4:55 AM EST up reply actions  

this

Jeter for Red Sox 3B!

Kicking knowledge in the face.

by BlackOps on Nov 23, 2010 7:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Na

I’d prefer Jeter in Tampa Bay, closer to the Steinbrenners and a better team

by crazyremy on Nov 23, 2010 9:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Wouldn't happen in a million years ...

… but I’d say yes, just ’cuz it would queer the relationship between Jeter and Yankee-dom more than any other eventuality—short of the Red Sox signing him.

by KranepoolRools on Nov 23, 2010 6:35 PM EST reply actions  

No Way!!!

I’d rather eat my own scrotum than have jeter on mets

metsjetsknicksrangers.............can it get any worse?

by dabu7 on Nov 23, 2010 6:42 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Kaiser roll, mayo, lettuce…might be worth it

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by Thaddeus Ballpheasant on Nov 23, 2010 7:19 PM EST up reply actions  

what

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by Gina on Nov 23, 2010 8:18 PM EST up reply actions  

I have never heard this phrase before

but I believe it may find its way into my vernacular.

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by KeithsMoustache on Nov 24, 2010 12:05 AM EST up reply actions  

I was just thinking that

I need to find more ways to use scrotum eating in covnersation

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by blueandorange4life on Nov 24, 2010 1:54 AM EST up reply actions  

but whatever would become of your testicles then?

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by kendynamo on Nov 24, 2010 12:51 AM EST up reply actions  

hahahha

best comment ive seen in a while.

Melo? Not for my Favors!
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by NetsMets4Life on Nov 24, 2010 6:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Yesterday, we bought a brand new Ford Edge.

I was breaking the salesman’s chops by wearing my Tradition Field tee, and my Mets wind breaker.

Little did I know that this would mean Jeter playing for the Mets.

LOL

Terry Collins ?. Really ?.

by fxcarden on Nov 23, 2010 7:11 PM EST reply actions  

fxcarden has an Edge

And is Cuban. I think we might have found our new 2B.

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by MookieTheCat on Nov 24, 2010 1:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh good point. Especially if it is phrased this way.

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by MookieTheCat on Nov 24, 2010 6:18 PM EST up reply actions  

The thing is that Cashman is a bit of a asshole in the media

If he ticks Jeter off enough Jeter could leave he won’t get 50 million but the Yankees need to realize that Jeter still draws huge crowds. Losing Jeter would eliminate a ton of good faith and the connection to the dynasty years. Jeter won’t play for the Red Sox but the Braves(young team needing a veteran to lead) or a team like the Angels I can see that if this continues.

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by Major on Nov 23, 2010 7:20 PM EST reply actions  

If Chipper returns

that is one side of the diamond that we would absolutely hate.

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by Thaddeus Ballpheasant on Nov 23, 2010 7:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm betting the Yankees draw about the same with or without Jeter.

What’s the best he’ll do elsewhere—2/20?

Interesting game of high-stakes chicken, though…

by Jack Str on Nov 23, 2010 8:38 PM EST up reply actions  

rejected!

Gang green nation!

we won the f*#&ing game now lets go get a goddamn snack!

by JETSFANF0RLYF3 on Nov 23, 2010 7:33 PM EST reply actions  

no thanks

it’s as bad as signing Tom Glavine.

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by feslenraster on Nov 23, 2010 7:41 PM EST reply actions  

It's worse, at least to me

I hate Jeter way more than I hated Glavine, at least pre-glavotage.

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"The lesson behind Moneyball is that if you are clever in your use of resources, you can gain power beyond your station. It is not, never has been, and never will be, that 'computer models' should take over the world." - Graham

Check ze tweets

by Thomas Wachtel on Nov 23, 2010 10:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Same here.

I don’t know if there’s a player I hate more. Maybe A-Rod. Maybe.

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by Ogre39666 on Nov 23, 2010 10:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Victorino is the one I hate most now.

He’s malignant where Jeter is just super-annoying.

Thus Spoke Keith Hernandez

"The lesson behind Moneyball is that if you are clever in your use of resources, you can gain power beyond your station. It is not, never has been, and never will be, that 'computer models' should take over the world." - Graham

Check ze tweets

by Thomas Wachtel on Nov 23, 2010 10:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh, wow.

How could I have forgot about him and Rollins and Hamels.

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by Ogre39666 on Nov 23, 2010 11:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Flipping the ball to 2B that one time is worth around $10 million/year,

and falling over the railing into the stands that other time is worth around $12 million/year.

So, we’re already at around $22 million a year.

by D4P on Nov 23, 2010 8:06 PM EST reply actions  

there's no justice in the world

when Steinbrenner produces a son with brains and balls of stone.

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by Gina on Nov 23, 2010 8:11 PM EST reply actions  

and who exactly does Jeter and his agent think is going to offer more?

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by Gina on Nov 23, 2010 8:11 PM EST reply actions  

no

but unfortunately, he DOES have a ceiling in how much money he can offer. Damn it all to hell.

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by cjmulrain on Nov 24, 2010 10:25 AM EST up reply actions  

yep and the dodgers/astros are being solid/going broke

cubs have castro and detroit just resigned their SS. Poor Jeter all the stupid rich teams are out of play.

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by Gina on Nov 24, 2010 10:32 AM EST up reply actions  

This is hysterical

the Yankee fans are all up in arms, saying that that the NYY FO has “insulted” him with 3/45.

by CTRefJay on Nov 23, 2010 8:21 PM EST reply actions  

doing this ?

Terry Collins ?. Really ?.

by fxcarden on Nov 23, 2010 8:24 PM EST up reply actions  

He does have some hops

Nothing can get by him; especially in a small room: Mike Francessa

by GenJackRipper on Nov 23, 2010 8:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Stupendous

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by blueandorange4life on Nov 24, 2010 1:56 AM EST up reply actions  

I was in the city today

36th and 7th, picking up audio equipment. I was stuck in traffic for over 4 hours, so I listened to the audio anaestetic that is Fatscesa.

by CTRefJay on Nov 23, 2010 8:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Should Yankee fans pay more for Ford Edges to show team spirit?

By the same token, no player is worth more than his value to the team. A little bonus for Yankee iconhood, I understand, but he’s only a Yanker icon because of a lot of bonuses over time. He turned down this latest bonus because he doesn’t get that the Yankees have given him thank you money since his first contract. He thinks he was worth his last deal

More reasons to hate all things Yankee

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by GenJackRipper on Nov 23, 2010 8:25 PM EST reply actions  

Is this guy serious?

I guess he’s come to believe his own headlines, this guy’s not worth anything near 15 Mil per year – he’s lucky to even have that offer on the table. Not to mention the millions more he makes for playing in NYC in ads and sponsorships…he’s not getting a whiff of that in any other market. I hate to admit it but even the Ynks are being sensible here. If the Mets ever signed him I’d stop being a Mets fan that same day.

by crazyremy on Nov 23, 2010 8:58 PM EST reply actions  

maybe without a fat contract Jeter will stop giving America's sweethearts herpes

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by itsmetsforme on Nov 23, 2010 9:11 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

I can't imagine how Jeter's agent really believes this will help him

Cashman knows nobody else is going to offer 3/45, nobody would likely even offer him one year at that price.

by Stephen Schmidt on Nov 23, 2010 10:17 PM EST reply actions  

If I'm Brian Cashman...

I tell Jeter bye bye. Then I would go sign Adrian Beltre to play third and move A-Rod over to SS where he should have been anyway.

The money that would be going to Jeter would basically go to Beltre. The defense on the left side of the infield would be significantly improved, plus you get a much better hitter (assuming we are talking 2010 Beltre and not the 2009 version).

On top of that, you screw over the Red Sox and Angels, who will be forced to look elsewhere for a starting third baseman.

The obvious question mark with this move is moving A-Rod back to SS. Could he still play there? UZR had A-Rod as a much better SS than he has been at 3B (though age has obviously had a big effect on this). Either way you’d have to imagine he’s going to be below average regardless of where he plays…until of course he eventually moves over to DH.

I think this would be a ballsy move that could definitely work out for the Yankees. Yes, there would be all the media backlash. NY baseball writers and WFAN callers will probably complain for months about A-ROID taking over for the “True Yankee” Captain at SS. From strictly a baseball perspective, I think it is by far a better move.

Plus it would be sooooo funny watching Jeter end up with a team like the Nationals on a 2-year, $18 million deal.

by pschim on Nov 23, 2010 10:50 PM EST reply actions  

I can't imagine A-rod at ss

would be any less of a nightmare at this point. He’s old with a bad hip and hasn’t played there in years.

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by Gina on Nov 23, 2010 11:39 PM EST up reply actions  

yea

it was absurd to move him to 3rd in favor of Jeter at short, but at this point it’s way too late to go back.

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by cjmulrain on Nov 24, 2010 10:28 AM EST up reply actions  

We win either way

They overpay him than it’s less money that we have to compete with for FAs. If he walks than we get the LULZ. Truthfully, Yank fans will whine for a couple months, the Yanks will win 95 games and they won’t care again about Jeter until he’s in Cooperstown.

by FrancoTAU on Nov 24, 2010 1:19 AM EST reply actions  

The latest, apparently leaked by Jeter's camp, is that he was asking for 6/150.

Close to Rodriguez’s salary, and it gets him to the same age as Rodriguez when Roddy’s contract with the Yankees expires. The thought of Rodriguez and Jeter manning the left side of the Yankee infield in four years while pulling down $50 million fills me with happiness.

I’ve read supposition that The 6/150 dream was leaked by Jeter so that coming down over time to 4/80 would seem "reasonable. I’d like to see the Yankees FO actually win this one by simply sticking to 3/45 without a lot of fuss. “It’s more than fair, more than reasonable, and we think haggling demeans both this organization and Derek’s legacy. We’ll be here next week, and the week after that. Derek should feel free to call any time.”

by Jack Str on Nov 27, 2010 2:22 AM EST reply actions  

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