Adam Rubin: Fernando Martinez Injured, May Be Done With Winter Ball
Fernando has appeared in just 385 games over the last five seasons, between the majors and minors.
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I say trade him as soon as possible before his value falls any more
Gas prices today are a lot like a pitcher's ERA. Anything under 3 is amazing, under 4 is pretty good and anything 5 and up is something you want to avoid.
by Bobby Baseball on Nov 26, 2010 11:10 AM EST reply actions
gee that's a shock
say Ogre, what did you say about staying healthy not a skill? I think it can be, especially if you are ignorant on what fast food, junk food does to your body etc. etc. but nutritional debates and exercise value is not what I wish to bring up here heh
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Living a healthy lifestyle is a discipling
not a skill. Getting injured is neither.
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by feslenraster on Nov 26, 2010 2:11 PM EST up reply actions
this isn't really certain one way or another
some people do consider getting injured to be a skill set. Because some people are just more prone to injuries than others for reasons that can’t seem to be explained, and chalking it all up to luck is just unrealistic.
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I'd be fine calling durability a intangible.
I just can’t see how it can be defined as a skill set. It’d be like saying being tall is a skill.
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well, not "skill" persay
but its something more than tangible.
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by feslenraster on Nov 26, 2010 3:34 PM EST up reply actions
I have to agree with both sides here.
Injuries can be of the freak variety, such as the Cameron/Beltran collision a number of years ago (and many others). And anyone can sprain an ankle slipping on the bag etc. And as chakrabs notes below, there are differences in physiology that make some folks more susceptible to injury than others. But the risk of most joint and muscle injuries can be minimized by appropriate training, learning about balance and movement, listening to your body when warning signs of impending injury are present, and even things like appropriate diet, as excess weight greatly increases stress on joints and muscles, and good nutrition helps the body to heal. I would call it a skill, just as being strong is a skill, or being fast, or being able to track the trajectory of a ball. I used to have weak ankles and would sprain an ankle with fair regularity, especially back in my breakdancing days. After a few years of capoeira, pilates, and getting more into dancing, my sprained ankle problem disappeared. I worked hard to be able to stress my ankles and knees without being injured.
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by MookieTheCat on Nov 26, 2010 8:12 PM EST up reply actions
There's also the discipline of pacing oneself.
Some guys play a full tilt, high risk game with head first slides into first base and diving into walls or the stands, and some don’t. Learning to play with a little something in reserve, giving only 90% so that you’re not on the bench 50% of the time is as much a discipline as doing sprints, or throwing drills, or whathaveyou.
Might have to do with their body chemistry
If they have some congenital disorder of their cartilage, ligaments and other connective tissue, it may lead to increased injury, especially when you consider the amount of torque and pressure seen in pro ball.
Poor genetics is due to poor skills
and it is false hustle.
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by Russ on Nov 26, 2010 5:53 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
maybe our scouts should check every prospects lineage ? (only half sarcastic)
by exbrooklynite on Nov 26, 2010 11:26 PM EST up reply actions
Oh man, that's depressing
We’re probably less than 50 years away from full genetic profiles for all aspirants.
If I'm not mistaken, they already do something like that for swimmers.
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If they do it's limited
because my brother’s a nationally ranked college swimmer, and as far as I know he’s never had anything like that done.
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by Thomas Wachtel on Nov 28, 2010 8:28 PM EST up reply actions
Getting injured may not equal a healthy lifestyle
But a healthy lifestyle certainly helps. You can call it a “discipline” if you want, but that’s just rhetoric, the point remains the same, that there are things that are controllable and learnable that can aid in injury prevention.
The difficulty is that we really have no useful information in tracing these injuries to their causes or any behaviors that are being done (or not done) to enhance the probability of injury occuring. Maybe Fernando’s just an unfortunate freak who happens to be really susceptible to athletic wear and tear, or maybe he just doesn’t know how to take care of himself under the conditions of a fairly wealthy U.S. lifestyle. Maybe there’s even something about the Mets’ training program that specifically hinders his physiological makeup. The obvious guess is that its somewhere in between, but to what extend on either end, its impossible for us to know.
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by Mark Himmelstein on Nov 26, 2010 6:40 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
well said Mark. couldn't have put it any better.
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by feslenraster on Nov 26, 2010 7:40 PM EST up reply actions
You can call it rhetoric
but skill ≠ discipline IMO. A skill is an ability or technique; I don’t see how you can call staying healthy either.
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Yeah, me neither
Call it an attribute, but it’s not a skill.
I call that poor allocation of stat points.
What is the point of having 18 STR when you die with one hit?
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by Michkin on Nov 27, 2010 7:17 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
that could just be low AC....
or low Con stats.
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by feslenraster on Nov 27, 2010 8:07 AM EST up reply actions
It allows you to place more points into DEX
You don’t even need to worry about dying when you can’t get hit.
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by Lance Johnson on Nov 27, 2010 10:13 AM EST up reply actions
::makes saving throw vs nerd::
failed
Hey, wait! I'm having one of those things. You know? A headache with pictures?
by KeithsMoustache on Nov 27, 2010 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
Even if you are perhaps technically accurate
And I’m not saying you are, I don’t have a webster’s handy, the point is that it doesn’t matter. There are elements of staying healthy that are learnable and controllable. These qualities apply both to your apparent definition of “Discipline” and of “skill,” so in this case, the value of the distinction between them has no logical validity to the arguments presented. There are clearly things that players can do to improve their chances of staying healthy. That is not the end-all, be-all, this we don’t have enough information to trace, but its still a part of the discussion.
As for the terms “ability” and “technique,” how about this: Fernando Martinez apparently does not have the ability to stay healthy, perhaps there is something wrong with his training or preparation technique. Again, the point is that your distinction is pedantic, its a distinction that offers no relevant logical value to the argument. We may not know whether Fernando’s problems staying healthy are related to something under his control or if he’s done everything as well as possible and is just unlucky, but to deny either possibility is ignoring a very legitimate possibility given the limited information available.
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by Mark Himmelstein on Nov 27, 2010 2:50 AM EST up reply actions
So if we don't have enough information (or any really)
then what’s the point of saying staying healthy is a skill? But no, I’m the one being pedantic and illogical…
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his point is what you consider to be or not be a skill is irrelevant
it’s something that has to be accounted for, regardless of what you call it. Just like even if being tall isn’t a “skill” NBA scouts aren’t going to draft someone who’s 5’4", if a player can’t stay healthy that’s an attribute or skill or some other irrelevant word that needs to be accounted for.
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by Gina on Nov 27, 2010 10:54 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
This
I think it’s wrong to completely discount the possibility that staying healthy is a skill. Attributing injuries to bad luck, and only bad luck, doesn’t seem right to me.
by James Kannengieser on Nov 27, 2010 2:38 PM EST up reply actions
I think we can all agree that staying healthy
can be considered a skill, an ability and or a discipline. it’s certainly a discipline as it takes discipline to keep your health or maintain a minor diet.
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by feslenraster on Nov 27, 2010 3:32 PM EST up reply actions
Fair enough
I just don’t like being called pedantic/ostentatious when I am trying to make a point that I don’t think is insignificant. Injuries happen to a person; they’re not done by a person to themselves (even though language sometimes states it that way). A person can train so that it is less likely that the things which may happen to them cause injury, but they can’t make injury causing circumstances any less likely. Are injuries completely luck based? No, I wouldn’t say that and I didn’t. My point was that injuries are caused by things largely outside a person’s realm of control (ignoring the possibility to take oneself out of an environment in which injuries happen mire frequently – aka not playing sports) – things like a ball being hit to the warning track in such a way that a catch is immediately followed by your face hitting a metal bar at relatively high velocity. Bay could have been the most physically fit person in the world, but that would not have changed the way that ball was hit or the circumstances of that play
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agreed. I didn't mean to call you out specifically Ogre
thought we could discuss it further with our fellow AA friends :).
a concussion is completely bad luck I’d say (remember that horrid Ron Jones injury?—yugh)
and yes, most injuries (like the Ken Griffey Jr. slipping in the bathroom—hah!) are freakish. I was just answering the call that healthy or not can be considered a skill…nothing more.
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by feslenraster on Nov 27, 2010 5:19 PM EST up reply actions
yeah a concussion is clearly luck
but a concussion is also a one time thing. F-mart has had multiple unrelated injuries, I don’t see how you can attempt to claim it’s all just bad luck.
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And as far as we know none of F-mart's injuries
have resulted from running into walls or slipping in bathrooms. They’ve all be random tweaks while performing average everyday baseball activities.
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true enough about F-Mart
I wasn’t trying to defend his luck or whatever when it comes to his injuries. I was covering overall injuries to all of us..
meh, lack of sleep causing addled brain disease
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by feslenraster on Nov 27, 2010 6:59 PM EST up reply actions
oh I wasn't responding to your post so much as
Ogre’s
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I think the situation is important.
Certainly, it’s a skill to not run into them in everyday life. But during a game, it can happen, especially to players with a certain mentality. I know I’ve run into a few gym walls over the years.
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by BobbyV_Incognito on Nov 28, 2010 8:35 PM EST up reply actions
Saying injuries aren't completely controllable isn't the same as saying they can only be attributed bad luck.
And calling Ogre’s point pedantic was a bit harsh.
It seems like two discussions are being mixed up: health as a skill / discipline / ability (“theory”) and Fernando’s case in particular (real example with very limited information).
There are things under the player control that can reduce the risk of getting hurt, but they don’t completely avoid it. A player can do stretching to avoid leg injuries, but they might still happen on the field. Even without a freak accident, injuries are part of a high performance sport. So, a player might still get an DL trip.
About Fernando, in the last 5 years he spent so many days in the DL that there might be something else to it. What it might be, I don’t know. Instead of focusing on calling it X or Y (health), one of the many hypothesis is that he isn’t doing things under his control to avoid injuries. If that was the case, it could be “fixable” (the team could change his preparation or something). Another hypothesis is that he tried different work regimen to avoid injuries but they all failed. It doesn’t mean they were all a huge string of “bad luck”. It could be that he isn’t physically gifted, he has a disease, nobody knows. In this case it’s not as easily “fixable”. Even if he takes care of himself and he still gets hurt, it’s hard to say the “skill” is controllable. This looks like the cause of calling it X or not Y.
He can’t stay healthy, this is being accounted for. Is it fixable or not? (This is the 2cents question for me lol). Did he do things under his control or not? It’s even hard to list everything that he could have done that “is under his control” (is our knowledge enough?). Even if he did and still got hurt, what else could be the cause?
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by Michkin on Nov 27, 2010 10:23 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You brush up against what I was kind of trying to say in regards to F!
For all we know he’s a gym-rat and a health-nut and he makes multiple trips to the trainers room every day to get stretched out and tissue massages and so forth and Wright (one DL trip – and a freak one at that – to his name in his pro career) was a bit of a couch potato prior to last offseason. We just don’t know enough to say if someone has the “skill” of health if we can even prove it is a skill. That’s why I suggested above that perhaps we should call it an intangible if peope insist on labeling it.
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by Ogre39666 on Nov 28, 2010 4:09 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
agreed. but staying healthy is totally something scouts and
I am certain most ogranizations in sports look for in an athlete. after all, who would overpay for someone who hasn’t shown he is capable of the rigors of professional sports?
- ok, who in the right MINDS *
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by feslenraster on Nov 28, 2010 5:31 AM EST up reply actions
dang it--how weird
I put in Zans Omar Minaya anyway in () and it didn’t show(!)
but injuries is part of general life too, and it could come down to genetics as well.
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by feslenraster on Nov 28, 2010 5:32 AM EST up reply actions
If that's the case he has even less likely future value to us
because he’s just plain injury prone.
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It most likely isn't the case
My point is that we have so little knowledge in regards to players that making a determination about who has the skill of “health” (that is if someone can prove it is a skill) is like saying Jeter has an edge or Beltran isn’t a winner.
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At this point, the only option left is to keep him and try other things to make him stay on the field.
Reduce his gym workload, put him in yogalates classes, pool exercises, acupuncture, shaman incantations, shrine visits, rabbit foot, 4leaf clover, hypnosis or inception a level deeper.
It has become a reclamation project F. His value is too low now to trade him, we would get nothing in return.
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Keeping him could be an organizational opportunity
Perhaps the Mets should now treat F-Mart as a lab experiment for ways to prevent injuries. Throw everything at him and lets see what works.
These are things that can also be institutionalized on a trial basis. Lets say that pilates shows the most promise, just add that to Buffalo for the entire team. Yoga can be added to Binghamton, tai chi to St. Lucie and acupuncture to Savannah. Let the season go and see what happens.
Within a few years, the best techniques should become clear, and can then be adopted as part of the organizational philosophy.
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Replace acupuncture with Jiu-Jitsu or No Gi and it sounds like a plan.
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except F-Mart would get injured just putting on the
fancy unis…
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by feslenraster on Nov 28, 2010 6:50 PM EST up reply actions
haha! He'd get hurt just by picking up a needle
that guy is one super injury prone athlete
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by feslenraster on Nov 28, 2010 7:08 PM EST up reply actions
Gotta hire Bernazard back!
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While it certainly has its benefits,
would you really expect him to come out of those classes unscathed? Maybe something that doesn’t involve hitting other people, like ballet or yoga.
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by BobbyV_Incognito on Nov 28, 2010 8:39 PM EST up reply actions
Jiu-Jitsu and No Gi emphasize core strength and flexibility through grappling and wrestling
and do not necessarily involve striking. Ballet would be acceptable as well as I was just trying to replace acupuncture because it’s BS.
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Tai Chi
Although I’ve never practiced it, I think that it is worth considering because of its benefits. These include improved concentration, balance and reduced stress. Yoga can achieve these benefits, but it is often practiced on a mat. Tai Chi, from what I have observed, is practiced standing up, so I believe that it would easy to implement to a baseball team.
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I've practice some Yoga and Tai Chi
both are quite beneficial to the flexibility of the body and overall energy balance.
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by feslenraster on Nov 29, 2010 8:21 AM EST up reply actions
Do you think that either would help Reyes?
Between his tendency to chase bad pitches, and his mental lapses in the field, could Yoga or Tai Chi mitigate these issues?
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Either one would in my mind.
Aikido and many others as well. I used to be a skeptic, but after dabbling in a few martial arts and related things, I think they do focus your mind a bit.
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by MookieTheCat on Nov 29, 2010 8:08 PM EST up reply actions
I am speechless.
I am literally without speech.
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by Steve Schreiber on Nov 26, 2010 11:40 AM EST reply actions
Seinfeld FTW!!!!!!!
JETS / falcons
METS / rays
NETS / lakers
by YoungMoney24 on Nov 26, 2010 5:40 PM EST up reply actions
Why's the sky blue?
Why’s water wet?
Why did Judad rat to Romans while Jesus slept?
Why is Fernando Martinez made of wet tissue paper?
by MetsKnicksRutgers on Nov 26, 2010 11:59 AM EST reply actions
Is Fernando Martinez going to get injured again before the 2011 season ends?
is the sun going to come up tomorrow?
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by GenJackRipper on Nov 26, 2010 5:02 PM EST up reply actions
If there is a real problem that requires surgery, just get the surgery done and over with
We’ll see how he does in Buffalo in 2012.
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ill take 2 pair as a stocking stuffer myself
I hate Philadelphia so much.
by the caveman on Nov 26, 2010 10:15 PM EST up reply actions
Put a fork in him, he's a bust!
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Knee injury
If only it was a minor injury like food poisoning, bruised pinky or common cold.
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Escogido will surely miss his 250 obp
I know, I know, 4 PAs, but still, this is a non story since F! is a non prospect.
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by Dandy Salderson on Nov 26, 2010 1:18 PM EST reply actions
Trading high-upside injury-prone prospects while they still have value
is definitely a skill.
F-Mart still has value?
I’m shocked.
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by feslenraster on Nov 27, 2010 3:30 AM EST up reply actions
Well, let's put it this way.
Omar did NOT have the skill I described,
well, yes...heh
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by feslenraster on Nov 27, 2010 8:07 AM EST up reply actions
Fernando Martinez Injured, May Be Done
More realistic headline
i think if the headline was just fernando martinez
the circumstances would be pretty easy to guess
I hate FMart
When R.A. Dickey was asked Wednesday if he had an opinion on some teammates not going, he said, "I do have thoughts on that. I don’t want to make them public." He said he had not talked to any of the players who did not attend, but noted that he found the experience worthwhile.
"To be able to look a guy in the eye who doesn’t have arms or legs and say, ‘Thank you,’ that’s a big deal," Dickey said. "I take it personally."
I hate you
For not hating FMart
When R.A. Dickey was asked Wednesday if he had an opinion on some teammates not going, he said, "I do have thoughts on that. I don’t want to make them public." He said he had not talked to any of the players who did not attend, but noted that he found the experience worthwhile.
"To be able to look a guy in the eye who doesn’t have arms or legs and say, ‘Thank you,’ that’s a big deal," Dickey said. "I take it personally."
A Met player mailing it in with another injury
Sounds exactly like the clown RA Dickey is referring to in the quote below my post. The guy who really wanted to play the last 2 years
When R.A. Dickey was asked Wednesday if he had an opinion on some teammates not going, he said, "I do have thoughts on that. I don’t want to make them public." He said he had not talked to any of the players who did not attend, but noted that he found the experience worthwhile.
"To be able to look a guy in the eye who doesn’t have arms or legs and say, ‘Thank you,’ that’s a big deal," Dickey said. "I take it personally."
So if the Dickster gets hurt next season
Will you “hate” him too?
by James Kannengieser on Nov 27, 2010 2:38 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't think you understand what 'mailing it in' means.
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by BobbyV_Incognito on Nov 27, 2010 7:43 PM EST up reply actions
Sure he does.
It’s when you elect to get necessary surgeries.
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Ugh
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
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Why?
He’s a millionaire and does nothing but sit around and get rehab treatments like massages and hot-tub soaks. Living the life.
He's a millionaire if he
invested the 1.3 million dollar bonus into some sure thing. If he didn’t invest it right or he blew it, then not only does he have no money but he doesn’t have much in terms of education either and is basically screwed.
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by Steve Schreiber on Nov 26, 2010 6:04 PM EST up reply actions
considering the market crash
I’m not sure what he could have invested it in that would have been a sure thing. Unless the Wilpons let him in on some of that top of the ponzi scheme action.
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A sure thing doesn't exist
But the market crash presented more opportunity to make money than ever before. Volatility is very good for traders. That said, if he was conservatively invested, he should still have most of his money.
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case in point......
if you had bought 10,000 shares of Ford at it’s lowest point in 2009 ( 2.12 ), it would have cost you $21,200, but now it would be worth $160.000.
Or he could have bought a home and car/s for him and his family.
We have no idea what he did with his money. Speculating about it is pointless.
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Some things never change.
And we can’t even blame Ray Ramirez for this one. Wait, can we? Does anyone know what he’s up to this winter?
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by BobbyV_Incognito on Nov 26, 2010 8:29 PM EST reply actions
He's always been an enigma to me.
I remember seeing him play at Reading while he was still at Binghamton at age 19. I was more impressed with the fact that the Mets (let alone anyone) had someone that young playing than his overall skill set.
He’s still only 22 (b-day 10/1988) so he’s not done by a long shot, I just don’t think he’s going to project into the star the Mets hoped he would become and he has really gotten the benefit of the doubt by usually being 2-3 years younger than the average competition and the hope that he would play CF, and a good one at that.
Now he doesn’t project as a centerfielder, and his development seems to mirror Jay Payton’s. I hope he can still get it done and I’m curious where Kevin Goldstein puts him on his Top 11 Met list because a fair amount of scouts are still high on the guy.
F-MART assures you he is open!
also, hes wasnt suppose to be there today
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by the caveman on Nov 26, 2010 9:13 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I think being a Met
Is kind of like being a contractor working on the Death Star. The injury rates seem similar.
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by MookieTheCat on Nov 26, 2010 9:50 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
players know the risks when signing on with the mets
or govenment contracts
I hate Philadelphia so much.
by the caveman on Nov 26, 2010 10:15 PM EST up reply actions
And when I was 5
That Winston billboard by the scoreboard is fairly equivalent of making me the smoker that I am today.
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by MookieTheCat on Nov 26, 2010 10:24 PM EST up reply actions
being a Mets fan didn't cause your smoking MookietheCat?
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by feslenraster on Nov 27, 2010 7:00 PM EST up reply actions
No, but...
Drinking is another story.
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by MookieTheCat on Nov 27, 2010 8:54 PM EST up reply actions
lol I tease, I tease.
"Fantasy, reality, science Fiction. Which is which? Who can tell?"
by feslenraster on Nov 28, 2010 5:32 AM EST up reply actions
Thirty Seven?
"WHO WOULD LEAD?! THE CLOWN?!"
by I'mGivingYouARaise on Nov 27, 2010 5:59 PM EST up reply actions
Olaf, Beltran!
Girls think sexy!
My love for you is ticking clock, Beltran.
Would you like to making Dickey, Beltran.
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by Dandy Salderson on Nov 27, 2010 11:40 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Are you saying he's Italian?
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by MookieTheCat on Nov 26, 2010 11:33 PM EST up reply actions
In the immortal words of an old friend
fuckin shocker
Hey, wait! I'm having one of those things. You know? A headache with pictures?
by KeithsMoustache on Nov 27, 2010 12:33 AM EST reply actions
So, trade him to an AL team that can try him as a professional DH.
I can’t see anything else to do with him.
Keep him and hope he at least somewhat turns it around?
Aka plays 20 games in a row?
Save Jenrry Mejia!
In lobby for Chip Hale as Mets 2011 Manager.
You might want to try, 20 games in a season
first. Pretty sure we did that other thing at least five times by now. Has Martinez ever hurt himself just swinging the bat?
so can we put a fork in F-Mart now?
good thing F-Mart is very young and looks it. imagine if this kid turned out 5 years older? HAH!
I hope he can stay healthy long enough to prove me wrong.
"Fantasy, reality, science Fiction. Which is which? Who can tell?"
Ever notice Fern's right (front) foot when he hits?
Keith pointed it out sometime in July or August 2010. His front foot instead of being pointed toward the pitcher is parallel to the pitching rubber. Try taking an imaginary swing in your living room with your front foot after landing still pointed toward the plate. Is that the most awkward unnatural swing you’ve ever taken in your life? I don’ t see how anyone could NOT get hurt, especially in the knee and hip area forget about being able to generate any power. I cannot believe that a batting coach (or anyone really) wouldn’t have seen this and corrected it within seconds. That’s how long it took Hernandez to identify this issue. If his success in the minors has come with this style of hitting he must be superhuman.
shop smart, shop f-mart?
1 more nerdy reference to many? I say nay
I hate Philadelphia so much.
by the caveman on Nov 27, 2010 11:23 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Army of Darkness references are always a good decision
Hey, wait! I'm having one of those things. You know? A headache with pictures?
by KeithsMoustache on Nov 27, 2010 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
groovy
I hate Philadelphia so much.
by the caveman on Nov 27, 2010 1:33 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
So, all things considered, what is his value at this point? Seriously.
Potential + age negates relative less-than-impressive exploits in the Minors and durability problems how much?
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Nov 29, 2010 12:34 AM EST reply actions
not enough to make up for this many injuries
the longer he spends off the field the faster his age gets erased.
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Santonio Holmes: you don't need open field moves when you've got getting away from the cops speed.
he's worthless right now, hate to say
"Fantasy, reality, science Fiction. Which is which? Who can tell?"
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