Mets 40-Man Roster Moves
by Eric Simon on Nov 4, 2010 3:08 PM EDT
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PrintFive players have been removed from the Mets 40-man roster.
All five have been assigned to Triple-A Buffalo, and four of them saw way too much playing time with the Mets in either 2009 or 2010. The other is still pretty ruff around the edges.
In other, better news, Joaquin Arias was claimed by the Royals. Arias (-0.3), Santos (+0.7), Feliciano (-0.1), and Hessman (+0.1) combined for 0.4 fWAR and 523 plate appearances with the Mets.
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Sounds like quite a haul to me.
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by Steve Schreiber on Nov 4, 2010 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Fixed
So for Frenchy we got noone
So for noone we managed to get rid of Frenchy
by Stephen Schmidt on Nov 4, 2010 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd rather have an empty roster spot
Actually, we had that too. It sucked. I take that back.
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by Thomas Wachtel on Nov 4, 2010 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Dayton Moore FTW!!!
“Good, good!! My plans are working perfectly.”
—Dayton Moore in his lair somewhere in KC.
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he has options, so he wouldn't have gone through waivers. I think.
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon (and Billy King-Paul G B)
We outrighted him
I’m pretty sure whenever you take someone off the 40-man they have to pass through waivers.
Not that anyone would claim him.
He still has to go through waivers to be removed from the 40
by Stephen Schmidt on Nov 4, 2010 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions
We are going to rue this day
Now even though my stats don’t show it I feel really good about what I did down here and it will really help me when it comes to Sring [sic] Training next year. Now that it is all over back to Oregon I go and home to rest and relax and get ready for Spring Training.
You can feel the intensity in his writing.
Prospects eligible for the Rule V (per Macks):
SP – Josh Stinson
SP – Mike Antonini
OF – D.J. Wabick
IF – Jordany Valdespin
RP – Roy Merritt
P – Eric Niesen
P – Dylan Owen
P – Scott Moviel
It’s not much of a problem this year, but the list for 2011 is full of good names:
OF Kirk Nieuwenhuis
2B Reese Havens
SP Mark Cohoon
OF Sean Ratliff
2B Josh Satin
SP Jeurys Familia
SP Robert Carson
SP Brandon Moore
3B Eric Campbell
SS Wilmer Flores
P Brad Holt
C Kai Gronauer
SP Jimmy Fuller
3B Jefry Marte
OF Cesar Puello
2B Alonzo Harris
SP Yohan Almonte
SP Angel Cuan
SS Wilfredo Tovar
3B Zach Lutz
Valdespin is eligible?
I feel like he’s like 10.
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon (and Billy King-Paul G B)
"signed at age 19 or older and have been in the organization for four years"
Year Age Tm Lg Lev Aff Stint From To
2007 19 DSL Mets Dominican Summer League FRk NYM
2008 20 GCL Mets Gulf Coast League Rk NYM 0619 0810
2009 21 Savannah Sand Gnats South Atlantic League A NYM
2009 21 Brooklyn Cyclones New York-Pennsylvania League A- NYM
2009 21 DSL Mets Dominican Summer League FRk NYM
2009 21 GCL Mets Gulf Coast League Rk NYM
2010 22 Binghamton Mets Eastern League AA NYM 0808 0906
2010 22 St. Lucie Mets Florida State League A+ NYM 0408 0807
http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=valdes001jor
He’ll be 23 in December.
Just because his first year playing was 1997
doesn’t mean that’s the year he was signed. He could have been signed in the winter of 2006 when he would have still been 18. Mack is a great resource but I don’t always 100% trust him.
Also, I don’t think Familia is elligble after 2011? He was signed before age 19 and will have only been in the org for four years. I believe its the same for Flores, Marte, and possibly Puello as well, though I’m at work so I can’t be super thorough on fact-checking right now. Could be wrong, but I think all these guys have an extra year.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Mark Himmelstein on Nov 4, 2010 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions
If you have more accurate info, then share with us.
Getting the exact date those prospects were signed is not particularly easy.
Yes its definitely tough
I’ll see what I can dig up when I get home. I’m iffy on Valdespin because it depends on exactly what date he signed on. The others (at least Flores, Marte, and Familia, didn’t check Puello) though didn’t actually play until 2008, and all clearly signed before they were 18. I’m pretty sure this works the same way as MLB service time, where you need a full five years (not, say, 4.75 years) before becoming elligible, so unless one of them signed before the 2007 began and simply didn’t play that year for some reason, they won’t have five full years in the org until some time during the middle of the 2012 season, meaning they wouldn’t be Rule V elligble until after that season.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Mark Himmelstein on Nov 4, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Recap
Players are eligible for selection in the Rule 5 draft who are not on their major league organization’s 40-man roster and:
– were signed at age 19 or older and have been in the organization for four years; or
– were signed at age 18 or younger and have been in the organization for five years.
Assuming they were signed at the first season with the Mets, given the lack of information about signing date (the problem is really those who had their first season at age 19, but could have signed at 18):
What if they were signed at 42?
because I’m still waiting to be drafted.
The Mets GM is Sandy Alderson: A Dynasty is Born
With your experience and clubhouse leadership, you can take over 2B tomorrow.
Though you’ll have to compete with Duda for the position.
And the rest of the list
There are others who might be eligible, but then we have to comb through the past drafts.
I'm pretty sure age only matters for IFA's
for draft picks it’s strictly number of years in the organization.
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon (and Billy King-Paul G B)
You mean, most IFA's were signed at 18 and younger while most draftees were 19 or older.
In any case, we have to count how many years they had in the organization.
Yup, this looks rightier to me
Than what the quotes you had from Mack were. Otherwise guys like Flores and Tovar would have been elligible before their age 21 season, which I can’t ever remember an instance of.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Mark Himmelstein on Nov 4, 2010 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions
2007*
I’ll explain that typo when I get home too, lol
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Mark Himmelstein on Nov 4, 2010 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Valdespin's my age?
Jesus, I thought he was much younger than that.
"The lesson behind Moneyball is that if you are clever in your use of resources, you can gain power beyond your station. It is not, never has been, and never will be, that 'computer models' should take over the world." - Graham
by Thomas Wachtel on Nov 4, 2010 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m guessing that of the guys currently on the 40-man roster, these will still be there after the 2011 season:
starting pitchers:
R.A. Dickey
Dillon Gee
Jenrry Mejia
Jon Niese
Mike Pelfrey
Johan Santana
relievers;
Bobby Parnell
Hisanori Takahashi
Catchers:
Josh Thole
Infielders:
Ike Davis
Nick Evans
Daniel Murphy
Jose Reyes
Ruben Tejada
David Wright
Outfielders:
Jason Bay
Chris Carter
Lucas Duda
Fernando Martinez
Angel Pagan
That’s 19 out spots filled. Assuming none of these minor league pitchers end up in the bullpen in 2012 (save Mejia!), the team will need 3-4 more roster spots for relief pitchers. For the outfield we’d probably need to get another CF to backup Pagan, assuming Duda or F-Mart gets RF. For the infield assuming that Reyes is signed, 2nd base will be either Murphy, Havens, or an outside acquisition. Of the minor leaguers that must be protected, I count (Havens, Ratliff, Familia, Flores, Holt (if he improves), Marte, Puello, Lutz). Of course many of the other guys on the list might be worth protecting.
by secret defense on Nov 4, 2010 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't we have another center fielder on the roster?
Someone with a mole? A huge mole if I recall….
by Stephen Schmidt on Nov 4, 2010 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions
and four of them saw way too much playing time with the Mets.....The other is still pretty ruff around the edges.
not sure which one you thought was Ok but rough around the edges.
for me I think Feliciano deserved to be called up. we had some OF problems and he was hitting great down at Buffalo. He came up and he decent for being a reserve and I still think he is a good guy to have around the organization for spot call ups.
Any task BIG or small, Do it well or not at all
i can agree with that on feliciano
i also think valdes can be usable out of the pen with a competent manager
I like Ike, I hate Jerry
Yeah
I think Valdes actually has some value since he’s flexible enough to be an option for emergency starts and appears to be able to eat some innings out of the pen.
Save Jenrry Mejia!
In lobby for Chip Hale as Mets 2011 Manager.
I know I sound cruel and illogical
but after the last two seasons, I am just enjoying seeing people get cut. I like the process of deciding that some of our “assets” can be replaced with better assets.
Valdes is terrible
Loans from the Mexican League are poor decisions and should never be done unless you are the Long Island Ducks.
by BurkhardtCerroneBerg on Nov 6, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
He's a replacement level long man
considering our recent bullpen history, that’s pretty valuable.
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By virtue of not staying in Buffalo
and not taking playing time from Thole.
May you be locked in a battle of wits against Jerry Manuel.
by BobbyV_Incognito on Nov 4, 2010 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions
if anyone is wondering about where the term "replacement player" comes from
see exhibit A
HELLO HELLO MR WILPON... BUY THAT MANSION. WE DONT NEED A CONDO.
calling these guys replacement players
is an insult to replacement players
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon (and Billy King-Paul G B)
fWARs of zero?
sounds exactly right to me.
HELLO HELLO MR WILPON... BUY THAT MANSION. WE DONT NEED A CONDO.
most of them were in the negatives I think
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon (and Billy King-Paul G B)
ok so then just guys listed in the post who's fWARs add up to 0.4 wins
those guys are the definition of replacement players, no?
HELLO HELLO MR WILPON... BUY THAT MANSION. WE DONT NEED A CONDO.
Hessman and Feliciano yes.
Arias and Santos not so much.
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Arias is a great replacement player...
Because he replaced Frenchy.
It's a triumph of number crunching over the human spirit...aaaaaand, it’s about time. -- Play-by-Play Announcer, The Simpsons.
Why te hell did Manuel play Jesus every day for when h had Duda and Evans rotting on the bench. Oh, I guess that is an example of why Jerry is gone
They can't play CF; Jesus can.
May you be locked in a battle of wits against Jerry Manuel.
by BobbyV_Incognito on Nov 4, 2010 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Evans played like 4 innings of CF!
According to the Bay theory, Dr. Who is a good defender because he played CF once.
jesus was the only guy I ever saw
who could consistently chop a ball swinging with an uppercut. /that is no small ccomplishment. Unfortunately, it has only negative value.
Subject lines
an complte word pleas.
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Ogre39666
Clearly you do not understand his cutting edge sarcasm.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Nov 5, 2010 1:58 AM EDT up reply actions
All the talk about waivers above gave me am idea...
Change Oliver Perez’ name to oh, say, Jovan Santana, and drop him off the 40. Someone will claim him off waivers and bingo, problem solved.
It's a triumph of number crunching over the human spirit...aaaaaand, it’s about time. -- Play-by-Play Announcer, The Simpsons.
This is totally something that would fool Dayton Moore.
"The lesson behind Moneyball is that if you are clever in your use of resources, you can gain power beyond your station. It is not, never has been, and never will be, that 'computer models' should take over the world." - Graham
by Thomas Wachtel on Nov 4, 2010 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Rockies declined option on Jeff Francis...
Would he accept a minor league deal? He’s right around league-average when healthy (4.46 FIP/xFIP). He had shoulder issues, didn’t he? I suppose that would be worrisome.
I'd rather go after Garland if we're targeting potential #5 guys.
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you never know...
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by Steve Schreiber on Nov 4, 2010 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
Nobody better take away Raul Valdes
How the hell does that work, anyway, though? Weren’t we borrowing him, to begin with?
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Nov 5, 2010 12:38 AM EDT reply actions
Maybe he's too old for arbitration to apply?
I know in the NHL after age like 33 a player no longer can qualify as a rookie (and thus would be a RFA after his deal is up).
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I'm almost positive
that at some point next season, the Royals will have Francoeur, Arias & Betancourt all in the lineup on the same day. And, as always:
What's that about?
And they'll re-sign Willy Bloomquist
Guy has been worth 0.3 after more than 2000 PA’s.
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FRANCOUER
No big deal losing Arias, but why didn’t they simply release Francouer instead of paying his salary to play for Texas & letting the player traded for him go for nothing? Wait, I will answer my own question: Minaya.
OLIVO
Just read that Miguel Oliva is a free agent. Looks like a good fit for Mets catching corps- he hit .295 against lefties last season. Great platoon partner for Thole. Or could take the starting job outright.
I'd rather get Napoli
.305 AVG, .399 OBP, .567 SLG, .966 OPS, .262 ISO v. LHP and also had a 4.3 UZR/150 at 1B which adds to his versatility.
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Is he available?
If so, that would be a decent pick-up.
"The lesson behind Moneyball is that if you are clever in your use of resources, you can gain power beyond your station. It is not, never has been, and never will be, that 'computer models' should take over the world." - Graham
by Thomas Wachtel on Nov 5, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
It's rumored that the LAofA is down on him
although I guess it could just be Scioscia.
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im a bit leery of Olivo because last year was a career year for him in OBP, cracking .300 for the first time ever
fueled largely by BABIP (his BB rate was slightly above his usual, but im not sure i’m ready to say he’s got a new approach at the plate yet) I’m not saying he’s a bad choice overall. He seems fairly durable, and as far as catchers go he’s not an awful hitter with some pop and speed, but his BABIP of .346 from last year is probably not sustainable, so take his numbers with a grain of salt.
Hey, wait! I'm having one of those things. You know? A headache with pictures?
by KeithsMoustache on Nov 5, 2010 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah and he had a massive drop off in the second half
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon (and Billy King-Paul G B)
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Career year... massive dropoff in the 2nd half
5/60 with a vest. Whoops! I forgot that Omar is gone.
hope and pray the caveman
Olivo is ok, but not great. I’d rather have Napoli too.
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