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AAOP: The Keithsmoustache Approach

 

Here is my Amazin Ave. Offseason Plan for 2010 (which I spent most of my day planning instead of actually working). This year was certainly challenging given the restraints on how much we could spend, and how many bad contracts we have to navigate around. Still I hope you enjoy my contribution. I feel I have addressed all of our immediate needs fairly well without selling out the future.

Star-divide


 

Keepers

We already have some good pieces in place so lets get those out of the way first.

 

Santana (L), Dickey (R), Niese (L), Pelfrey (R), Parnell (R), K-rod (R), Misch (L), Toyota Irrigation (R), Davis (L), Wright R), Reyes (S), Thole (L), Pagan (S), Bay (R), Beltran (S), Evans (R), Duda (L), Blanco (R), Tejada (R),

 

Banished to some dark abyss (released)

 

Oliver Perez - 12 million dollar garbage is still garbage, treat it as such.

Luis Castillo - Slappy has managed to at least be somewhat useful with his plate discipline, but its past time to let him go.  His defense is atrocious and if it were possible he'd have a lower slugging percentage than batting average.

 

 

The New Guys

 

Jeff Francis (LHP)

The first of my suggested acquisitions for 2011, I believe Jeff Francis would prove to be a useful addition to the team. Firstly, as a lefty pitcher, he would bring a bit of added variety to the rotation (currently Niese is the only guaranteed healthy lefty starter we have). With some of our lefty-heavy division rivals, it's always nice to make things a little harder on them. Francis came back from a torn labrum repair last season, and in half a season of work, gave Colorado a 1.9 WAR boost. His control was very good, walking less than two batters per nine, and while his ERA wasn't spectacular at 5.00, it belies how well he pitched. Never a strikeout pitcher, he will lean on his defense, but he won't hurt himself with walks or excessive Hrs (<1 hr/9) Now two years removed from the surgery, he should be fully recovered. At the back end of the rotation, he would provide a solid anchor to the rotation. His previous contract paid him ~5.5 in his last year with the Rockies, and due to his recent injury, his next contract should have a going rate less than this. I would offer 1 year/ $4.3M to add him as our 5th starter/organizational depth when Santana comes back (assuming everyone else is performing to our liking).

 

 

Erik Bedard (LHP)

This would probably be one my "big" signing of this offseason, cost-wise. Bedard when healthy is a staff ace level pitcher. The key words here are "when healthy". Bedard missed most of last season with bone spurs, and his $7M 2011 option was declined by Seattle. He hasn't cracked 84 innings in the past two years, however the upside is enormous if he can stay healthy. He is expected to be ready for spring training, which means he could potentially fill the void left by Santana. Since Bedard is a bit of a gamble, an incentive based contract would be in order. Since we know Seattle declined his $7M option, this gives us a decent idea of where negotiations would start. I would give Bedard $3M base, with a $1M incentive for 100 IP and an additional $1M incentive if he exceeds 150 innings bringing the possible value of the contract up to $5M. While the ceiling on this contract isn't quite as high as he had in Seattle last year, the base pay guarantees more money (They only gave him $1.75M), which should help sell him on the contract. Given his upside and likely desire for a multi year deal, I would also include a mutual option for 2012 at $6M (after incentives based on innings pitched) since we will have a lot of money coming off of the books next year, and if he proves he can make it through 2011 healthy, theres no reason we wouldn't want a chance at keeping him around longer. While I know his injury-prone nature the past couple seasons is cause for concern, I think the potential benefits far outweigh the costs, especially in a season where we have limited room in payroll to improve and are missing our ace for an undetermined period of time.

 

 

 

Chad Qualls (RHP)

Chad Qualls on the surface appeared to have a very rough season in Arizona, with an ERA over 7 and an absurd .399 BABIP. When you look underneath the hood however, the picture isn't quite so bad. Qualls had a FIP of 4.13, and not pitching in Arizona will help get his HR rate down even further. Put a decent defense behind him and he'll look like a star. Qualls declined arbitration, meaning he was looking for more than the just short of $1M he was expected to get. Given his awful surface numbers, we could offer him $2M for 2011.

 

Jesse Crain (RHP)

Crain declined arbitration and opted for free agency. He strikes out a fair number 8.2 per nine, however he does have a tendency to walk a few too many (3.57/9). He gives up less than one HR/9, all amounting to a FIP of 3.45 last season. His previous seasons suggest he should be able to maintain a sub 4.0 FIP. His last contract was for $2M in 2010, and given his performance a bit of a raise is probably in order. Since there will be competition for his services, I'd like to pay 2 years at $3M per year but would be willing to go as high as $3.5M

 

Randy Choate (LHP)

With the loss of Pedro Feliciano, a new lefty specialist is a must-find this year. Randy Choate can step up and fill this void. While horrible against righties, Choate had a FIP of 2.34 vs lefties last year, with a .201 average against, while striking out approximately 1 batter per inning, and only walking 2 per 9. He only made $700k in 2010, which means he should be signable for around $1M per year, at two years. This would fill the void left by our side-arming friend.

 

 

2b

Orlando Hudson (S)

The other "big splash" free agent signing I would make this offseason is Orlando Hudson. After years of Luis Castillo hobbling around second base and slugging around his batting average, a change of pace is in order. Orlando Hudson has been on the Mets radar for a few years now, never managing to land here due to Castillos contract. With only one year remaining, I propose we eat the rest of that cost, release Slappy, and sign O-dog. Offensively, Hudson is an adequate choice at second base, with a wOBA of .320 last year. His wOBA has been steadily declining over the last 3 years due to a drop in slugging percentage, possibly cause for some concern in the 33 year old second baseman. However he still had a wRC+ of 100, meaning he was the epitome of the average offensive second baseman. Defensively UZR has him all over the place from year to year, which leads me to believe he's probably around an average fielder as well (despite his numerous Gold Gloves which I count as a metric of absolutely nothing). This is pretty much the key word when talking about Hudson. Average. However after a few years of subpar, average sounds pretty good. Hudson has been bouncing from one year contract to one year contract, and hasn't really expressed much of a problem with this, so we can keep the short contract trend going with a two year, $6M/year contract, one million greater than his last contract with the Twins and one extra year while Havens or Valdespin ripen a bit.

 

C

Henry Blanco (R)

Not really a new addition, Blanco served as a solid backup catcher. While unremarkable with the bat to put it mildly, his defense was rated very favorably by BTB (top 10). Thole seems capable of holding down the starting job, and having Blanco as a veteran presence seems to have helped Thole with his defense (speculative I know, but Thole looked much better last year as the year went on). His last deal with us was for 750k, so we can give him around $1M this time out on a similar one year deal (any less and he might try to switchblade you!).

 

Bench

Melvin Mora (R)

Melvin Mora is somewhat of an ageless wonder. Above average offensively in 3 of the past 4 years, Mora is primarily a third baseman, although he played a handful of games at 2nd last year without embarrassing himself. Coming off the bench, he provides a good bat and some defensive flexibility. Colorado paid him $1.3M for his services last year, so $1.5M should be a fair contract for his services.

 

The depth chart would be as follows

 

1b 2b 3b SS
Ike Davis Orlando Hudson David Wright Jose Reyes
Nick Evans Reuben Tejada Melvin Mora Reuben Tejada

Melvin Mora









C LF CF RF
Josh Thole Jason Bay Angel Pagan Carlos Beltran
Henry Blanco Lucas Duda Carlos Beltran Angel Pagan

Nick Evans
Lucas Duda



Nick Evans
SP Bullpen

Johan Santana* Bobby Parnell

Erik Bedard Francisco Rodriguez

R.A.Dickey Pat Misch

Jonathan Niese Chad Qualls

Mike Pelfrey Jesse Crain

Jeff Francis* Randy Choate


Ryota Igarashi

 

 

 

 

*When Santana returns, assuming Bedard is healthy, we can attempt to either move Francis to the pen,

or send him to AAA, if he refuses assignment, so be it.

 

 

Now down to finanaces, the final tallies look like this:

 

 

Player Salary
Ike Davis $440,000.00
Nick Evans $440,000.00
Orlando Hudson $6,000,000.00
Reuben Tejada $440,000.00
Melvin Mora $1,500,000.00
David Wright $14,000,000.00
Jose Reyes $11,000,000.00
Josh Thole $440,000.00
Henry Blanco $750,000.00
Jason Bay $16,000,000.00
Lucas Duda $440,000.00
Angel Pagan $3,000,000.00
Carlos Beltran $18,500,000.00
Johan Santana $22,500,000.00
Erik Bedard $5,000,000.00
R.A.Dickey $3,000,000.00
Jonathan Niese $440,000.00
Mike Pelfrey $3,000,000.00
Jeff Francis $4,300,000.00
Bobby Parnell $440,000.00
Francisco Rodriguez $11,500,000.00
Pat Misch $440,000.00
Chad Qualls $2,000,000.00
Jesse Crain $3,500,000.00
Randy Choate $1,000,000.00
Oliver Perez $12,000,000.00
Luis Castillo $6,000,000.00
Ryota Igarashi $1,750,000.00



$149,820,000.00

 

 

 

Plan Synopsis

 

The grand tally comes to just under 150 million dollars. Note that I assumed arbitration salaries of ~3 mil for Dickey, Pelfrey, and Pagan. If somebody has what they believe are more accurate values let me know and i'll adjust accordingly.

 

This plan takes one large gamble in assuming Bedard will be capable of pitching, and at a level similar to before his injury. If Bedard were to be injured prior to Santana's return, we would keep Francis, and use Gee to fill in until Johan was healthy. Since we're strapped for cash and the market doesn't have many cheap aces sitting around for the taking, Bedard is our best shot at getting a high end starter on the cheap. This is especially important with Johan slated to miss the beginning of the season. If it doesn't work out the incentives in the contract should keep us from spending too much money on him, and the option means if he does show he can stay healthy, we've got an even stronger rotation next year.

 

To this end, Francis gives us some flexibility early in the season. In limited time last year he looked good after coming back from a shoulder injury. He can serve as a fill in until such time as we have too many pitchers (depends on the health of Santana and Bedard). Francis could either be moved to the pen or sent to AAA if Bedard and Santana (along with everyone else) are healthy and performing at the same time. At that point it would be ideal if he were to accept a minor league assignment, however if he didn't it is likely another team would pick him up alleviating any financial burden he may put on the team.

 

The addition of Orlando Hudson would greatly fortify the middle infield, and also remove a black hole offensively from the team. While Hudson is in no way extraordinary, he does everything adequately, and would therefore be a substantial improvement over Castillo who's only skill was not swinging the bat at an alarming frequency.

 

The addition of Jesse Crain and Chad Qualls would greatly bolster the bullpen, with Crain being a piece we could keep around for a few years, and Qualls likely coming cheaper than he should due to some horrible luck and bad defense behind him in a hitter friendly park. Furthermore the addition of Randy Choate fills the void left by Pedro Feliciano, as he is incredibly effective against left handed batters. Overall the pen will contain 5 righties and 2 lefties, with one being a lefty specialist, and the other being a long reliever/spot starter.

 

Henry Blanco served as a viable backup catcher for a low price-tag last year, and as long as we're not forced to lean on him for an extensive number of starts, he'll get the job done. He also can help mentor Thole as he continues to improve his defense and game calling skills.

 

The addition of Melvin Mora again fits with the theme of adding useful players at low cost. Mora is a great bench piece, capable of playing multiple infield positions reasonably competently while providing a bat that usually gives you a wRC+ of around 100 with a bit of pop. The bench is admittedly a bit righty heavy, but Duda can serve as the lefty bat off the bench in pinch hitting situations.

 

Our starting lineup would look like this

Reyes (S), Thole (L), Beltran (S), Wright (R), Pagan (S), Bay (R), Davis (L), Hudson (S)

 

This ensures there is no part of the order where we have have back to back hitters with the same handedness. Violating the second base hits second protocol we've all come so accustomed to, i've put Thole in the 2-spot. My reasoning for this is that he has a very good approach at the plate, which means he'll take more pitches for Jose. He's also got great bat control so even if he takes a strike two, he can still put the ball in play, and he gets on base at a very good rate. Beltran, Wright and Pagan in the middle is death to opposing pitchers, and hopefully a bit further down in the order Bay can find his swing again. I find Pagan and Beltrans positions might be interchangeable depending on how they're performing.  If Bay gets back to form, and Beltran is even a fraction of what he used to be, thats a scary lineup.

 

The pitching rotation would be

 

Santana (L), Dickey (R), Bedard (L),  Pelfrey (R), Niese (L), Francis (L)

shuffled slightly when Santana is out to look like this:

Bedard (L), Dickey (R), Niese (L), Pelfrey (R), Francis (L)

 

 

With Francis being somewhat expendable in the off chance they're all healthy and firing on all cylinders at the same time.

Either of these rotations gives the opposing team a lot of different looks over a series, making it harder for hitters to adjust.

 

The bench of Duda, Tejada, Evans, Blanco, and Mora gives us a backup at every position, and provides good bats from both sides of the plate.

 

As you can see, this plan fortifies the bullpen, stabilizes the lineup and the middle infield defense, and gives us a viable rotation with an upside of two potential ace level starters by midseason if all goes according to plan. With the exception of Bedard, most of these moves are pretty safe bets to give us good productivity for our dollar, and hopefully give us a shot at being competitive. The lineup is stacked from top to bottom, and allows us to have a good mix of lefties and righties due to the absurd number of switch hitters we would have. Furthermore the plan does not require us to move any of our young talent, and won't block the ascent of any of these players (such as Havens or Valdespin) for any extended period of time. Nor does the plan require giving any large contracts that extend past this year with the exception of Bedard, which is an option giving us the flexibility to decide later, and Hudson, who will only cost us $6M next year.

 

 

So, let me know what you think!

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Bobby Baseball

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Gas prices today are a lot like a pitcher's ERA. Anything under 3 is amazing, under 4 is pretty good and anything 5 and up is something you want to avoid.

by Bobby Baseball on Dec 1, 2010 9:05 PM EST reply actions  

Choate

I’ve been writing my AAOP and I also signed Choate to $2M/2y, so, well done.

by Dan Lewis on Dec 1, 2010 9:28 PM EST reply actions  

good signing

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by Rickfansince76 on Dec 2, 2010 9:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Your AAOP

Is very good, especially since it’s very similar to the one I’ve drafted. Time to change some things around, haha

by MattT516 on Dec 1, 2010 9:48 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

One question, though...

There’s no mention of Daniel Murphy at all. You feeding him to the wolves or something?

by MattT516 on Dec 1, 2010 9:51 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

it was a tough choice for me

I really like Murph, and I really want to see him succeed somewhere, but couldn’t quite find a place for him. Not sure im comfortable with him at 2b yet, but not quite sure where to put him to learn it with Turner in AAA and Havens, Satin, and Valdespin in lower levels. We’ve got a surplus of potential future 2b. He could be substituted for Mora as a backup infielder, or Duda as a left handed bat off the bench, but I feel like both of them fill their respective requirements slightly better. While the AAOP may not have him, Ive always cheered for the Hammer and personally hope we see him with the team in some regard next year.

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by KeithsMoustache on Dec 1, 2010 10:10 PM EST up reply actions  

One question, though...

There’s no mention of Daniel Murphy at all. You feeding him to the wolves or something?

by MattT516 on Dec 1, 2010 9:51 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

thats two questions

or at least one question twice

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by KeithsMoustache on Dec 1, 2010 10:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Sorry about that

Typical Blackberry double-post.

by MattT516 on Dec 1, 2010 10:36 PM EST up reply actions  

NP happens to the best of us

and ironically, also to me.

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by KeithsMoustache on Dec 1, 2010 10:37 PM EST up reply actions  

This is a very good plan for everyone besides your boss.

That said, I wonder whether the focus on often-injured pitchers is a good idea. I understand that when you’re going to the scrap heap you sometimes gotta come home with dinged parts, but it seems like injuries have a strange habit of reappearing in Flushing. Just a minor quibble about a well thought out plan.

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by MookieTheCat on Dec 1, 2010 9:57 PM EST reply actions  

Francis didn't show any ill effects last year

so I think he’ll be OK, and we have Gee as a fallback if either one should falter, so as long as both don’t break simultaneously in the first month we’ll have at least a serviceable rotation at all times, and once Johan is back it becomes even less of an issue. Basically the first month or so will be critical, but after that we’ll be in the clear with plenty of upside to hope for.

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by KeithsMoustache on Dec 1, 2010 10:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree

But I hear “pitcher” and “bone spurs” in the same sentence and I get a little antsy.

It's a triumph of number crunching over the human spirit...aaaaaand, it’s about time. -- Play-by-Play Announcer, The Simpsons.

by MookieTheCat on Dec 1, 2010 11:02 PM EST up reply actions  

This is pretty good

Not sure I would give $5 million to someone who didn’t pitch last year and is as brittle as tissue paper though.

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by Syler on Dec 1, 2010 10:37 PM EST reply actions  

He only gets the 5 if he meets the IP requirements

its an incentive based contract, only 3 mil guaranteed

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by KeithsMoustache on Dec 1, 2010 10:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh, my bad

Still, I would just stay as far away from him as possible. He’s totally unreliable.

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by Syler on Dec 1, 2010 10:40 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah he's a big gamble

but desperate times call for desperate measures.

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by KeithsMoustache on Dec 1, 2010 10:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Without Johan early, its gonna depend on how well we tread water, and how he comes back

I think our offense will be better this year, especially if Bay bounces back and if we find anybody to replace castillo. However our rotation is gonna need someone to step up for however long Johan is out, and Dickey pretty much has to repeat his 2010 performance for us to get above 500. It’ll be a much easier season to watch than the past couple, but I’m not sure we’re going to be in the Wild Card hunt without a lot of things going right It’s gonna depend on Beltran and Reyes staying healthy, Jason Bay bouncing back, and Johan getting healthy again though.

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by KeithsMoustache on Dec 1, 2010 11:19 PM EST up reply actions  

I'll come out and say it.

I see us as a 75-80 win team, even with the moves suggested in the couple of good AAOPs (this one included) that I have seen thus far. Every positive projection I see includes a ton of ifs, and I’m fairly sure that many of those will not pan out to our satisfaction. Sad to say, but I think that’s realistic.

It's a triumph of number crunching over the human spirit...aaaaaand, it’s about time. -- Play-by-Play Announcer, The Simpsons.

by MookieTheCat on Dec 1, 2010 11:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Totally agree

we need a lot of stuff to go right at the same time to be legitimately competitive next year. Figure we’ve got money free, not much to do with it, lets take some fliers and see if we get lucky. I won’t be disappointed if this season is around .500 again, because next offseason has the potential to be spectacular.

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by KeithsMoustache on Dec 2, 2010 12:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Thanks for letting me pin you guys down :)

It explains a lot, in that if you think the Mets are a 77-1/2 win team (the midpoint of Mookie’s range), then even a solid starter and 2bman only nudge you over .500. So, yeah, I can see why your prime goal for 2011 is something other than contending.

Thing of it is, if the Mets were a 79 win team, with down years from Reyes, Beltran, and Bay, no real bounceback from Wright, gaping holes at C, 2B, and RF, Jerry Manuel dragging the team down like a bulldozer chained to a minnow, and no Perez and Maine sucking wins, then when the downside is Johan Santana will be out for a while versus all those other things, how do you figure the Mets are going to win fewer games next season?

That’s what’s puzzling me.

by Jack Str on Dec 2, 2010 1:33 AM EST up reply actions  

I actually thought last years team overperformed sadly

and we got stellar pitching almost across the board (once Maine and Ollie were gone). I see some regression from Pelf and Dickey likely (mostly because I don’t expect Pelf to have the ridiculously good start to the season he had last year), factor in Santana out for a while, and coming back in questionable condition, along with a need for Beltran to stay healthy and Bays bat to reappear, we’ve still got a lot of “ifs” already. The team could be as high as an 85 win team if everybody performs at their best levels, but only if everyone performs at the top of their game at once. If you assume the best, we’re admittedly in striking distance of a wild card, if you assume an average scenario, we’re on the fringes at best, and if a few things go wrong, we’re back where we were last year.

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by KeithsMoustache on Dec 2, 2010 9:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Same here

They went on that streak in May/June where they were over-performing by a wide margin (weren’t we 10 games over .500 at some point). If a lot of things go wrong, we’re back at a 2009 level.

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by MookieTheCat on Dec 3, 2010 4:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I really like this.

Not sure I completely agree with Bedard, but it wouldn’t be a huge problem.

My biggest problem is Blanco, who I do not want back at all next year. In the second half last year, his line was: .125/.167/.143! He had an OPS of .310! I don’t care how good his defense is, Francisco Pena could do better than that offensively. Obviously at only $1M it really doesn’t matter, so I would be fine if this AAOP ended up being true.

by supermets on Dec 1, 2010 10:48 PM EST reply actions  

I'm having trouble with the money to Bedard and Francis.

That’s at least $7.3m to guys who probably aren’t going to be very good (and 4.3m to Francis, whom you describe as 5th starter/organizational depth, is just way too much for that role). $7.3 goes a long way towards getting a solid starter. The Mets currently are an okay team, somewhere in the neighborhood of .500. I mentioned in another thread that a solid starter and solid 2bman add around 5 wins to what we can expect from the team as of today. Those two moves alone get the 2011 Mets awfully close to contention. That’s why I just don’t see the point in taking flyers on guys like Bedard, or sinking half a good starter’s salary into Jeff Francis.

by Jack Str on Dec 1, 2010 10:50 PM EST reply actions  

Keep in mind, in his 2010 season (104 innings, 19 starts)

he pitched fairly well, and was worth 1.9 WAR. If he pitches at that same level for 2011, or even at a slightly lower level (let’s say, 1 WAR+), we’re still basically getting the market value for his production, even at $4 million dollars or so.

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 2, 2010 12:40 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm just not seeing it. Btw, BBRef has his 2010 worth half a win, which feels right.

He was giving up 10.3 hits per, and a ton of HRs… on the positive side his k/BB ratio is 2 to 1. But, again, my problem isn’t so much with Francis, it’s the flyers on Francis and Bedard when you could get a solid starter for that money—which is precisely what I think the Mets need. YMMV, of course.

by Jack Str on Dec 2, 2010 1:37 AM EST up reply actions  

BB-Ref WAR is crappy (IMO). But, regardless,

if you want to give him around 0.5 WAR, that’s still almost breaking even with a $4 million dollar contract. The monetary equivalent of that is around $1.5, $2 million dollars or so. It’d be more of an overpay, but not an exceptional blunder, as another $1 or $2 million dollars is relatively chump change, in a scenario like this.

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 2, 2010 12:34 PM EST up reply actions  

I think

I would rather get a solid healthy guy also. Two question marks scare me. I also do not like Orlando Hudson. He misses time, and I still cannot gett the image of his September benching by Torre out of my mind.

by jdon on Dec 2, 2010 4:55 PM EST up reply actions  

If Joe Torre doesn't like him

he’s OK by me

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by KeithsMoustache on Dec 2, 2010 5:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Actually, Francis was pretty average in 2008

and decided to have labrum surgery in February 2009. That is a brutal surgery to recover from, and Francis finally came back in May after missing all of 2009. He pitched well at times, but he was on a ridiculous pitch count. Jim Tracy took him out quite a few times in the 80’s, from what I remember. They were treating him with kid gloves. Then, his shoulder acted up again in August, and that’s why Jhoulys Chacin was in the rotation for a little while. Francis pitched a few innings to end the year, which were limited but not very good.

I am a big fan of Francis – don’t ask. He kind of carried me during his 17-win year in fantasy, and I still root for him for no reason. However, there seems to be big risk involved with him. He had a serious problem with his shoulder, and he might never be full-strength again (see: Webb, Brandon). It’s a shame, because he’s a very good pitch-to-contact guy when he’s healthy. Hopefully he could fight through it. Worth a shot, though.

by MattT516 on Dec 1, 2010 10:50 PM EST reply actions  

I like the plan.

Qualls is a Type A though? Not sure giving up a first rounder this year for a decent pen guy is worth it.

If Francis and Bedard can be had for a little less money than I like the idea of bringing them in. A little too much risk for me at KM’s prices.

by FrancoTAU on Dec 1, 2010 11:07 PM EST reply actions  

I think Qualls is type B

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by KeithsMoustache on Dec 1, 2010 11:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah im terrible at estimating contracts

so i always err on the high side with these things, I’m sure those could be lower, especially Francis, but i’d rather overestimate than underestimate when doing these plans.

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by KeithsMoustache on Dec 1, 2010 11:24 PM EST up reply actions  

How'd you make the nice looking chart?

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 2, 2010 12:43 AM EST reply actions  

its a secret family recipe, i'll give you a hint though, the first ingredient is squirrel and lots of it

Oh wait, thats something else… Really all I did was make the chart in open office, and copy/paste it into the fanpost creation form. You need to go to the HTML view afterwards and tool around with the formatting a little, because it doesn’t translate over perfectly and you get some lines of garbage in there too, but overall its not too tough. Of course now that i’ve given away my secret, i lose my chart making edge over the competition, but it’ll make the rest of these easier to read for all of us, so I’ll take one for the team.

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by KeithsMoustache on Dec 2, 2010 9:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Ah, makes sense.

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 2, 2010 12:34 PM EST up reply actions  

not anymore, I've given all of you the edge to share

making me just like Jeter, except replace edge with Herpes

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by KeithsMoustache on Dec 2, 2010 12:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Bleh

I tried, and failed, with the HTML formatting. Damn you, HTML. Should I hand in my nerd credentials, if I can’t do HTML right?

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 2, 2010 11:57 PM EST up reply actions  

eh, nerd credentials are tricky

im sure you can out-nerd me in other areas

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by KeithsMoustache on Dec 3, 2010 12:19 AM EST up reply actions  

I thought XHTML

was for ‘special-effects’ type things overlayed over normal HTML (or something like that). Gah, there goes the cred even more…

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 3, 2010 2:24 AM EST up reply actions  

its like HTML, only EXTREME!

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by KeithsMoustache on Dec 3, 2010 9:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Seems like the same team we have now

with two or three non-impact players thrown in. Probably the most realistic plan though under the shoddy circumstances.

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by Rey-O on Dec 2, 2010 2:21 AM EST reply actions  

I really like this plan

Realistic, plausible, cost-effective, nice risk-reward balance and no long-term punting. Good stuff. And props for Randy Scrote.

by deadspy3 on Dec 2, 2010 8:16 AM EST reply actions  

You got my approval

Of course, any plan that makes Jeff Francis a Met automatically gets my approval, but the other stuff in there is done well, too.

Carter, hand me my thinking grenades!

by meigs1414 on Dec 2, 2010 8:27 AM EST reply actions  

I am fxcarden

and I approve this AAOP.

minor deduction for the lack of gravity-related musings.

by fxcarden on Dec 2, 2010 9:08 AM EST reply actions  

like

the additions of hudson/blanco/crain and possibly bedard but why mora/cora and not murph and I prefer c young to francis also i would splurge on fuentes or balfour

by bob c on Dec 2, 2010 9:15 AM EST reply actions  

Like i said above, I wanted to put murph in, I really did

but Mora has a more proven bat, and I was going with the team that gives us the best chance next year. If we didn’t get Mora, i’d sub Murph in there in a heartbeat though. In the AAOP I’m as cold and emotionless as I can manage, but in reality I hope Murph finds a job with the team. I’d have taken a shot at fuentes but ran out of money before I got there, and he probably won’t be as cheap as the other guys i’ve listed.

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by KeithsMoustache on Dec 2, 2010 9:22 AM EST up reply actions  

I guess we technically have a protected pick IIRC

so Balfour wouldn’t hurt us any, but i didn’t see the need.

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by KeithsMoustache on Dec 2, 2010 12:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, we would lose the 2nd round pick

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by Russ on Dec 2, 2010 1:21 PM EST up reply actions  

ah yeah good point, all the more reason not to sign Balfour then

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by KeithsMoustache on Dec 2, 2010 1:26 PM EST up reply actions  

like Francis, solid choice to come in

also like Crain and Choate but not to thrilled with Qualls or Bedard

Bedard, I just feel when someone goes without a job for a year there is something more to it than we know.

I also like Mora. He would be a good signing. If Hudson doesn’t come he could probably even play 2B on a pretty regular basis if Turner or Murphy do not work out.

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by Rickfansince76 on Dec 2, 2010 9:22 AM EST reply actions  

Not realistic.

We’re not going to sign 6 or 7 free agents. We don’t have the money.

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by metsguy234 on Dec 2, 2010 9:46 AM EST reply actions  

He's only spending $23 million max this year.

I mean, I have yet to read anything that says they can’t spend that much. Have you?

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by meigs1414 on Dec 2, 2010 9:57 AM EST up reply actions  

we were told in the contest rules, 150 mil is ok

if you’re going to give me the money to spend, i’m going to spend it if there are places it can improve us.

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by KeithsMoustache on Dec 2, 2010 10:04 AM EST up reply actions  

Signing a million free agents is realistic.

It’s not the number, it’s the price. Regarding the price, KM keeps it within the $150 million limit.

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 2, 2010 12:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Francis

From what I read on mlbtraderumors.com, he is looking for a guaranteed major league contract. If that’s true, he’d leap at $4.3mil the way Kramer leapt at “free coffee for life” before they finished the offer. Still, I like him (Francis) – I think he would sign for $1mil or less, with incentives if you want. It is worth noting that he did have a 2-week stint on the DL in August with shoulder issues.

Overall, a very solid plan. I think we can get north of 81 wins if there is progression by Davis and Thole and a return to form from the core guys, Wright, Reyes, Beltran and Bay.

by Boz_Paladin on Dec 2, 2010 9:48 AM EST reply actions  

I like it except...

don’t want Blanco back, don’t want Green, I’d rather use Turner at 2B than sign O-Dawg.

working on my version (math and $$ giving me trouble :) at the moment. otherwise, agree with most of these.

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by feslenraster on Dec 2, 2010 4:15 PM EST reply actions  

My counterpoint is I don't have Green in my plan

the rest, valid. I don’t mind Blanco as long as we don’t have to see much of him. He gets the job done and is dirt cheap. I can understand wanting Turner over O-Dawg, I’m a sucker for homegrown talent.

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by KeithsMoustache on Dec 2, 2010 4:43 PM EST up reply actions  

good plan though, at least you have a plan hehe

technically, Turner isn’t homegrown as he was an Orioles’ prospect…but yes, I love homegrown talent too.

"Fantasy, reality, science Fiction. Which is which? Who can tell?"

by feslenraster on Dec 2, 2010 4:52 PM EST reply actions  

ah true, true

i keep thinking he’s one of ours for some reason. Guess just hearing his name so much the last year.

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by KeithsMoustache on Dec 2, 2010 5:11 PM EST up reply actions  

does anyone know if Manny Acosta is still with the team?

"Fantasy, reality, science Fiction. Which is which? Who can tell?"

by feslenraster on Dec 2, 2010 5:41 PM EST reply actions  

Almost positive he needs to be resigned.

On the bright side he should only cost the league minimum though.

Save Jenrry Mejia!

by Ogre39666 on Dec 2, 2010 6:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Enjoyable read

Can’t argue with much of it. My only disagreements would be:

I think the combo of Murphy/Turner can give us what Hudson would, and that saved money could go towards pitching. I like Hudson, but it feels like we waited to long to go after him. If they got something for Murph in a trade, then maybe it becomes a little better.

Also, I don’t think Tejada should be a bench player. What would his role be? He can’t pinch hit, he can’t pinch run, since he’s not that fast. He’d play once every couple weeks to replace Hudson or Reyes? He should be down in the minors, playing everyday and learning how to hit. He’ll probably just become a back up infielder anyway, but there’s no reason to have him riding pine at age 21.

by David G on Dec 2, 2010 6:26 PM EST reply actions  

by the way KeithsM

you spurred me on to do my first fanpost, although I probably should have not used the AAOP contest…;)

"Fantasy, reality, science Fiction. Which is which? Who can tell?"

by feslenraster on Dec 2, 2010 8:36 PM EST reply actions  

glad I could motivate you

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by KeithsMoustache on Dec 3, 2010 12:19 AM EST up reply actions  

the real question is, what are we going to do with a 6 inch tall stonehenge?

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by KeithsMoustache on Dec 3, 2010 11:06 AM EST up reply actions  

also thanks, glad i have a plan, and my plan, you like that plan

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by KeithsMoustache on Dec 3, 2010 11:07 AM EST up reply actions  

It almost got destroyed by a dwarf!

(I think it’s 18 inches, btw).

It's a triumph of number crunching over the human spirit...aaaaaand, it’s about time. -- Play-by-Play Announcer, The Simpsons.

by MookieTheCat on Dec 3, 2010 5:00 PM EST up reply actions  

thanks its been a while since i've seen it, so i'll take your word for it

great movie regardless of the height of stonehenge

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by KeithsMoustache on Dec 3, 2010 10:48 PM EST up reply actions  

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