Transcript Of Sandy Alderson's Conference Call With Bloggers
Sandy Alderson was kind enough to field questions from a number of Mets bloggers earlier this evening and Amazin' Avenue participated. We would like to thank the Mets for putting this event together, and also Mr. Alderson for taking the time to connect with some of the most passionate members of the fanbase. The direct line of communication is much appreciated.
Eric represented AA on the call and asked a pair of questions about auditing the organization and whether or not Paul DePodesta would continue to blog as he did while working for the Padres. See below for highlights and click after the jump for the full transcript.
Highlights
Quoth Sandy Alderson:
On Moneyball
I wasn't hired to apply a Moneyball approach to the New York Mets. I would not have accepted the position were I required to run the Mets on a shoestring budget.
On strategery
My business philosophy is that we want to be prudent under all circumstances but New York is not Oakland. As I said earlier, I wouldn't be here if it were. So, we do have a long term strategy but that long term is focused on being as good as we can be today but also putting an infrastructure in place that will make us as good as we can be down the road. In terms of identifying talent, I think that we try to use a combination of tools. We do use statistical metrics but we also rely very heavily on scouting information.
On the blogosphere
Actually, I'm very familiar with the blogosphere and understand how it makes connections with fans. The various platforms for communication these days are different, more varied. People are going to form their own opinions, you all will form your own opinions, but at least if you've heard from me you'll be able to do it on the basis of direct communication rather than something indirect or secondhand.
On his relationship with players
I try to maintain a professional but friendly relationship with the players so that the relationship doesn't create any misconception or becomes misleading in any way. No, it's not strictly business, but at the same time be very careful about having non-professional friendly relationships with players because it can send the wrong message and make it difficult when you have to make a tough decision.
On Met fans
I think my impressions [of Mets fans] as an outside observer have been confirmed largely. Passionate fans. Loyal. Baseball's important to them. I think New York is a baseball town, and I'm really happy about that. That imposes certain obligations and some demands -- fans are very knowledgeable. But that keeps us on our toes, and I think ultimately that's a good thing.
On media relations
It is possible for the media, particularly in this market, to become a distraction and a deterrent to actually getting other work done -- and I'm finding that out and have found it out over the last six weeks -- but it's also important that our message be understood, because perception is so important. For me to lock myself away for eight or ten hours a day and not talk to the media would be the worst possible thing I could do. Even if we were doing everything right, it might not be perceived that way because of a lack of communication. But with all the platforms that are available together with all of the outlets in a place like New York, it is something that one has to manage.
On Paul DePodesta's blogging future
Well, there haven't been any edicts from me [on whether Paul DePodesta can continue writing his blog]. I'm the guy that urged him to do it in the first place, when he was in San Diego. I think we'll probably be careful with that, but my suspicion is he won't have a lot time to do it, because he has a lot more operating responsibility here than he had in San Diego. Besides, you guys don't want any more competition, anyway. (laughing) As long as he keeps blogging about the San Diego Padres, I guess it's not a problem.
On the draft
I don't think [new scouting director Chad MacDonald] himself is wedded to any college versus high school, high-ceiling versus predictability, pitchability versus velocity. I think we're going to approach it from a wide-open and non-doctrinal point of view. We want the best players ... I do believe we'll be over-slot, maybe more than occasionally.
On player development
I've been in places where that jump is made, and the approach is very different at the major league level than it is anywhere at the minor league level, and it really does not do justice to the players. Because inevitably young players are challenged at the major league level, and if they don't have some foundation, some basic approaches to fall back on, it's easy to fail. With respect to the field coordinator and all our player development system, it's important for us to approach things consistently from top to bottom.
Semper Fidelis
I think the way that I describe my approach, which probably goes back to the Marine Corps, is "Be agressive, with good judgment." I think that's what we're probably going to try to do.
Note: Alex Nelson and I transcribed the conference call. The audio quality was good but not great, so please pardon us if we got a word or two (or twenty) wrong. Additionally, I omitted the moderator's introduction of the individual bloggers but included one interaction in which she featured prominently.
Matt Cerrone, Metsblog: In large part to the book Moneyball, there are some fans who believe you were hired to run the Mets as a small-market team. Could you explain why those fans are wrong, and maybe sum up your business philosophy, how you identify talent, allocate payroll, and that sort of stuff, as it pertains to the Mets.
Sandy Alderson: I wasn't hired to apply a Moneyball approach to the New York Mets. I would not have accepted the position were I required to run the Mets on a shoestring budget. On the other hand, I did come in with my eyes wide open. I did recognize that there would be some payroll restrictions this year, keeping in mind that when everything's said and done our payroll will probably be somewhere between 130 and 140 million dollars. We'll probably be in the top four or five in all of baseball. So, the problem is not that we don't have resources, the problem is that we have limited additional resources to spend this year. So, what you see today or what you've seen over the last two weeks shouldn't necessarily be representative of what you see over the next two or three years. But we do have to get through a somewhat difficult period from a standpoint of our payroll because we already have most of it committed.
My business philosophy is that we want to be prudent under all circumstances but New York is not Oakland. As I said earlier, I wouldn't be here if it were. So, we do have a long term strategy but that long term is focused on being as good as we can be today but also putting an infrastructure in place that will make us as good as we can be down the road. In terms of identifying talent, I think that we try to use a combination of tools. We do use statistical metrics but we also rely very heavily on scouting information. I think that was evidenced over the last week in the winter meetings. We had several people from our staff who are primarily stats-oriented but also do field work as well. But we also had an equal, in fact greater, number who are more subjective in their approach. And in some of the things that we did, particularly in the Rule 5 Draft, I think that scouting probably played a dominant role. We'd hate to be typecast after a few weeks and under the circumstances we have facing us for 2011, but we do have a certain reality we're facing and trying to deal with it.
Michael Baron, Metsblog: First of all, congratulations on the role and I'm looking forward to many years of success with you. I just have a quick question about free agency, not specific to players in particular. You know, I've listened a lot to you over the last six weeks since you came on board about maintaining flexibility year over year. You even talked about it just now with Matt, about building an infrastructure. I kinda liked that. My question is, especially looking at free agents that signed this week. Whether they were overpaid or not, they certainly got contracts of great length. And if you intend to maintain flexibility, would you entertain signing free agents to contracts of that length, and if you and your group aren't interested in that necessarily do you think you can attract marquee free agents, beginning obviously with 2012 and going forward?
Sandy Alderson: Michael that's a good question. First of all, I think that a lot of the attention has been focused on the Crawfords and Werths over the last week. But there also have been the Konerkos and the Dunns and one or two others. So, not all contracts are of a six or seven year length. There are also free agents, maybe not absolute top marquee free agents, who are signing for fewer years and fewer dollars.
I think that where the infrastructure comes into play is discerning among all of the players and trying to figure out the best combination of players at the best prices to ensure consistent excellence and success on the field. I think everyone would have a preference for signing shorter rather than longer contracts. And I do think that these six and seven year deals are setting a dangerous precedent. But look, this is New York, this is where we are, and we'll have to address the reality of the market however it develops over the next several years. At the moment we're really not in that game and don't have to worry about it. But if this becomes a trend which establishes a new normalcy then we'll have to address it.
Kerel Cooper, On The Black: Just wondering if you could give us an update on filling the open coaching staff positions and how that's going?
Sandy Alderson: We have identified all of our coaches. We had hoped to make an announcement yesterday or today, but for a couple of administrative reasons we are not able to do that. But we have identified all of our coaches and expect to make an announcement on Monday or Tuesday. So that was all completed over the course of the Winter Meetings. It actually didn't require a lot of time, we had done a lot of preliminary work and just had to reach some conclusions. We're pretty much ready to go on that issue.
Steve Keane, Eddie Kranepool Society: When I look at the team as it's situated now, it seems that your starting eight, maybe with the exception of second base, is pretty much set. But the pitching staff, especially the starting pitching staff, is a big question. I'm sure you laid groundwork for either some deals or for signing some pitchers out there. Can we expect to hear about any signings of any pitchers or any kind of acquisition of any starting pitchers within a week, two weeks, or is there anything that you think if you wait long term, some guys may fall into your lap?
Sandy Alderson: That's a good question. First of all, we are concerned about our pitching. We had a number of conversations last week regarding starting pitchers. Some of our discussions were with doctors (laughs) as opposed to agents. Because some of the starting pitching that has the highest upside would be pitchers coming off of injury. Pitchers coming off of injury is not just about lower salaries, it's also about what their upside might be. Just as we did with the catching and the bullpen last week, we want to address some of our needs now and perhaps be willing to wait on others. But with respect to pitching, if I had my druthers, between now and the end of December we would add some pitching. Probably not fill all of our spots, and then after December 31, look at what happens in January and into February.
We don't want to simply wait for players to fall in our lap, we want to hedge our bets a little bit. But I do believe there will be a market out there late, for people that will be attractive, and in some cases will be better bets for us than players we can sign right now. Waiting is not just about money, it's also about ability, and inevitably in any market, at the end of the day, there's some people out there that you'd like to have that maybe are better than what you already have, but because of roster limitations you've already made commitments. So, we're going to hedge that and hopefully do something over the next couple weeks but will not fill all our needs.
Mike Silva, TheMikeFrancesa.com and NYBD: Hey Sandy, I realize that you probably don't pay a heckuva lot of attention to talk radio and this might tie into what Matt was talking about earlier, but the Mets flagship station WFAN had its two most popular shows spend the majority of the last couple days bashing I guess the offseason direction of the team, basically inciting fans not to spend money, not buy merchandise and my question is twofold: Do you have any reaction to that kind of media? And b) what would you say to those fans who are upset about the approach and may be unwilling to support the team in the short term?
Sandy Alderson: Well, a couple of things. First of all I expect to be on Mike Francesa's show next week, so I'll have a chance to have some dialogue or respond to some of his concerns. I don't think what happened over the last week should have surprised anyone. I think what we did last week, and what we foresee doing over the next few weeks, is pretty consistent with what I've said from the very outset. I'm not sure that the majority of Mets fans are disappointed with the direction we're taking. I think most Mets fans are pretty sophisticated, understand the situation that we face in the near term, and hopefully are supportive of it. I'm not foolish enough to think that when the bell rings and we don't play well -- if we don't play well -- people are going to be tolerant of that. I don't expect that at all. For the moment, I don't think anything we've done in the last couple weeks is inconsistent with anything I said over the 4-5 weeks before that.
We're going to keep our nose to the grindstone, keep working at it. As I said earlier, it's important for us to put everything that radio talk, etc., says into some perspective. I think we do have a plan. I think Mets fans have been disappointed probably for a long time, at least the last few years. I don't see any reason why the last couple weeks should have made them equally disappointed. We've still got lots of time before Opening Day. Who knows how the season - [indecipherable because of noise from some Einstein's phone].
Moderator: I don't know if anyone else is hearing that, but there's a lot of background noise. When you're not asking a question if you wouldn't mind please put your phone on mute. Thank you.
Sandy Alderson: Somebody may be outside.
Moderator: Yeah...
James note: To bloggers participating in any future conference calls -- put your phones on mute! The sounds of fingers typing, throats clearing and wind blowing were prominent throughout the call.
Shannon Shark, Mets Police: Hey there, again, thank you so much for giving us your time of day. I guess that leads into my question. How are you finding dealing with this particular passionate fanbase and even to the point of having to deal with blogs. I can't believe you're listening to me ask you a question. Does that go through your head, why do I have to talk to this guy from the upper deck?
Sandy Alderson: Actually, I'm very familiar with the blogosphere and understand how it makes connections with fans. The various platforms for communication these days are different, more varied. People are going to form their own opinions, you all will form your own opinions, but at least if you've heard from me you'll be able to do it on the basis of direct communication rather than something indirect or secondhand.
I don't mind spending the time. I think that's part of what one buys into here in New York. In a sense, you guys probably reflect the most passionate elements of the fanbase. If I'm right about that, it's probably as important, or more important, to be in contact with you all than it is with any of the rest of the media.
Mike Donato, Optimistic Mets Fan: My question involves your comments about flexibility and maybe not being free to do things this year. If for whatever reason things turned out well and we went into the All Star Break in competition, maybe winning the Wild Card, maybe a game or two back of Philadelphia. What sort of flexibility do you have maybe, to make a trade or bring in a player, maybe for a stretch run. Maybe Santana's set back a little and we need another pitcher, what kind of flexibility do you have in terms of that?
Sandy Alderson: I would expect to have -- I would hope to have -- much more flexibility. I think any team that's in apposition at the All Star break to make a run, needs to take a hard look at what they have and what they need. Assuming we're in a position to make a run, one could also assume that attendance would reflect that. We'd be in a strong position to make a more. I don't think that the way we're approaching this offseason would necessarily be repeated at the All Star break. We want to be in that position. We want to be in that position where we can add a player or two and make a run. I definitely would think if we're in the hunt at the All Star break we'll be taking a real hard look at what we can add.
Greg Prince, Faith and Fear in Flushing: Curious, in light of some of the early decisions you had to make, specifically non-tendering Chris Carter, Sean Green, and deciding to move on from Pedro Feliciano -- how confident are you about moves like that considering you've only been in the organization for a few weeks and hadn't seen all that much of them. What did you rely on to make those decisions?
Sandy Alderson: That's a very good question. The decisions in each case were arrived at a little differently. Sean Green probably hadn't pitched as well as people had expected, plus there were injury issues. Chris Carter, a limited player, not someone that could, for example, play center field, not a great defensive player. We felt that we could improve ourselves and also clear a roster spot. Pedro Feliciano, a free agent, we offered him arbitration, he rejected it. We're still in that market place but realistically considering what he's going to make I think that was a relatively easy decision for us.
To go to the crux of your question, there are a lot of qualified people here. Also, those of us, particularly Paul DePodesta and JP, guys like Roy Smith, who were outsiders last year but are now insiders, also had a perspective on these players. I'm not terribly concerned about those decisions and didn't view them as any more difficult than they -- well somewhat more difficult because of my lack of observation than they will be in future years. Probably the toughest place for us, with a lack of organizational knowledge was adding players to our roster and preparing for the Rule 5 Draft. But again, we relied on a number of people here, whom I think are highly qualified, and we'll see where it goes. But we did lose a player in the Rule 5 Draft.
Greg Prince: If I could follow up real quick -- is it difficult to tell a player ‘you are no longer with this organization' and does it get more difficult the longer that you, a year from now, to tell a player you might have a relationship with that ‘you are no longer a New York Met' or is it just business as far as you're concerned?
Sandy Alderson: No, there's a personal element to it. I try to maintain a professional but friendly relationship with the players so that the relationship doesn't create any misconception or becomes misleading in any way. No, it's not strictly business, but at the same time be very careful about having non-professional friendly relationships with players because it can send the wrong message and make it difficult when you have to make a tough decision.
Jason Fry, Faith and Fear in Flushing: I'm curious about what your impressions were of New York fans before you came here and now that you are a few weeks in how, if they have, those impressions have changed.
Sandy Alderson: I think my impressions as an outside observer have been confirmed largely. Passionate fans. Loyal, passionate - baseball is important to them. I think New York is a baseball town and I'm really happy about that. That imposes certain obligations and some demands. Fans are very knowledgeable, but that keeps us on our toes. Ultimately that's a good thing. I haven't walked around the concourse during a game yet -- I haven't seen any fruits and vegetables -- but, and I'm sure that firsthand contact will become even more real when the season starts. New York fans haven't disappointed me yet, I know they're passionate about their teams, particularly baseball teams. And that's one of the things that drives us. We want the fans to be proud of the organization. That's going to come from winning, that's going to come from winning the right way, ultimately. So that puts a little pressure on, but that's what it's all about really.
Caryn Rose, MetsGrrl: My question to you is about how media has changed over the years and how exponentially it has changed concerning baseball. For example, when Jayson Werth was traded, I knew what your comments were about the trade probably within 30 seconds of you making them down in the lobby in Florida. What's your approach to managing the speed with which media now moves, to make sure that it doesn't become a distraction to the team?
Sandy Alderson: Good question. First of all, you probably heard my comments before they even reached the lobby, because I made them in a hotel room with a number of reporters and by the time that information got to the lobby, you probably already had it, which I think underscores the point you were making. It is possible for the media, particularly in this market, to become a distraction and a deterrent to actually getting other work done -- and I'm finding that out and have found it out over the last six weeks -- but it's also important that our message be understood, because perception is so important. For me to lock myself away for eight or ten hours a day and not talk to the media would be the worst possible thing I could do. Even if we were doing everything right, it might not be perceived that way because of a lack of communication. But with all the platforms that are available together with all of the outlets in a place like New York, it is something that one has to manage.
To give an example, one of the things that has been an issue for me is dealing individually with the beat writers from the print media. There are so many that it is difficult to have individual conversations or e-mail exchanges with any one of them without creating an appearance of favoritism or what have you. On the other hand, I'd like to promote access. So right now it's a balance that I'm trying to maintain. I'd like to be as accessible as possible, because I think it's important that people hear my point of view. At the same time, it does have to be managed, particularly in a market such as this. We want to be transparent, we want to be accessible. But inevitably the size of the market and the multitude of platforms and outlets means we have to somehow manage the time. I'm figuring that out with a lot of help.
Eric Simon, Alderson Avenue: Can you describe the process of coming to a new organization of which you really have only a surface level of understanding and auditing it from top to bottom? Where do you start? How do you prioritize things? Does it ever get overwhelming?
Sandy Alderson: Well it hasn't been overwhelming, but it definitely has required a good deal of time and concentration. The first thing I did coming in was try to hire a couple people in whom I had great trust, and those are JP Ricciardi and Paul DePodesta. But also in the interview process, I became aware of other people. John Ricco I've known since his days at Major League Baseball. At least with respect to a core of people -- two that I brought in, John was here -- I began to get a sense of where we needed to begin to re-evaluate. Over the last four weeks, I've gotten to know quite a few people, and I've at least made some preliminary judgments. We have made a few changes. Some of those have been necessitated just by departures, some have been necessitated by shifts in role. For example, Terry Collins being named the manager required us to hire a new field coordinator.
But I've actually gotten quite comfortable over the last six weeks, and I think the key is just getting to know people, to talk, and just interact with them in the process of roster additions, non-tenders, a variety of things that come up on a baseball calendar that give you greater and greater insight into what you have. Right now, I'm pleased with where we are. Now, we've had some additional issues to deal with. You don't typically come in as a new general manager and have to hire a new equipment manager, but that's the case here. So we've had some initial things to do that have required some additional time. I'm fortunate that I've been around awhile, so I know a lot of people, and that's been helpful.
Eric Simon: One quick follow-up: Is Paul DePodesta going to be allowed to continue writing his blog?
Sandy Alderson: (laughing) That's a good question. You know, I wasn't even sure he was still doing that. Is he still writing it?
Eric Simon: Sporadically, I guess. I'm hoping he can maybe get it fired up again.
Sandy Alderson: Well, there haven't been any edicts from me. I'm the guy that urged him to do it in the first place, when he was in San Diego. I think we'll probably be careful with that, but my suspicion is he won't have a lot time to do it, because he has a lot more operating responsibility here than he had in San Diego. Besides, you guys don't want any more competition, anyway. (laughing) As long as he keeps blogging about the San Diego Padres, I guess it's not a problem.
Joe Janish, Mets Today: You hired a new field coordinator and a new scouting director. Do you bring any kind of special philosophy in terms of scouting amateur talent and developing it through the minor league system?
Sandy Alderson: Good question. We have hired a new scouting director. Chad MacDonald is not somebody that I knew before; Paul interviewed several candidates and decided on Chad. I talked with him, and I think he's going to be excellent for us. He comes from not only a domestic scouting background but also an international background. I don't think he himself is wedded to any college versus high school, high-ceiling versus predictability, pitchability versus velocity. I think we're going to approach it from a wide-open and non-doctrinal point of view. We want the best players. I do think it's important when you're scouting and signing players that you think of both your domestic draft and your international signings in the aggregate, in terms of the types of players that you're getting, the youth of those players, the development timeline and so-forth. I don't expect us to be focused predominantly on college players, for example. I think we're going to go for the best player.
I do believe we'll be over-slot, maybe more than occasionally. I think that a big-market club such as the Mets can only dominate through a successful player-development system. Nobody can sign 25 players for 150 million dollars over six or seven years. We need to take advantage of our resources in all areas of player acquisition, including amateur scouting. As far as the field coordinator is concerned, there are some basic philosophies, especially on the hitting side but also in other areas, that we want to make consistent throughout the entire organization, including the major leagues. So one of the things about the field coordinator is it is important for him to be not only sound on the field but also sound administratively, because we need to maintain a standard of excellence across the entire system. I think that's really important.
We need consistency among our teams, not only in terms of how we do cutoffs and relays, but also in how we approach pitching, approach hitting, so that the expectations from level-to-level are roughly the same, and the accountability is the same, so there are no surprises as you move up the chain, particularly as you jump from player development to the major leagues, where the pressure is the greatest and the foundation needs to be the strongest. I've been in places where that jump is made, and the approach is very different at the major league level than it is anywhere at the minor league level, and it really does not do justice to the players. Because inevitably young players are challenged at the major league level, and if they don't have some foundation, some basic approaches to fall back on, it's easy to fail. With respect to the field coordinator and all our player development system, it's important for us to approach things consistently from top to bottom. To help with that, not just quality people, we'll have a field manual, we'll have other things that make it clear how exactly the Mets intend to approach things.
Joe Spector, Metsmerized: How does your background, being a marine, play into the person you are today and the decisions you have to make on a day-to-day basis?
Sandy Alderson: That's a good question. There's no question that all that training and experience had some impact on my personality and the way I approach things. I try to be structured. I try to be disciplined. I try to keep my eye on the goal, what the mission is here. But at the same time, I try to be pro-active, take the initiative, think aggressively about things, and try to make good decisions but do so with action in mind.
One of the first questions tonight was approaching this like Moneyball. Believe me, I love to make big splashes. We made, years ago, some of the biggest trades at the deadline that had ever been made in baseball history, basically. I think it's great for the fans, I think it's great for teams, I think it's what we ultimately like to do, because this is entertainment. But at the same time, you can only do so in situations that warrant it. Anyway, I think the way that I describe my approach, which probably goes back to the Marine Corps, is "Be aggressive, with good judgment." I think that's what we're probably going to try to do.
THE END
For thoughts from other participants, check out posts at Metsblog, On The Black, Kranepool Society, Mets Police, Optimistic Mets Fan, Faith and Fear in Flushing, MetsGrrl, Mets Today, Metsmerized and Always Amazin'.
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Interesting, and far more candid that I've become accustomed to expect.
I would have a liked a question on training/injury philosophy but understand that time and opportunity was limited. They should have bumped Mike Silva for more Eric Simon questions.
It's a triumph of number crunching over the human spirit...aaaaaand, it’s about time. -- Play-by-Play Announcer, The Simpsons.
Disagree
Needed more Silva. His next question was ‘What do you think of Joey from Bayside’s idea to trade Bobby Parnell and Daniel Murphy for Joey Votto?’
by James Kannengieser on Dec 10, 2010 11:15 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Is your sarcasm detector busted?
I clearly would have preferred Eric to be bumped for an all-Silva conference call.
Sandy would have ended up just rocking with a vacant stare in his eyes, repeating “this is my rifle, there are many like ti but this one is mine.”
It's a triumph of number crunching over the human spirit...aaaaaand, it’s about time. -- Play-by-Play Announcer, The Simpsons.
by MookieTheCat on Dec 10, 2010 11:19 PM EST up reply actions
i loved silva's question
i wonder if thats how he develops so many high ranking contacts in mlb upper management. “so i dunno if you listen to the radio but everyone on the radio says you suck ass. how do you respond to the fact that radio says you are total idiot with a smelly butt for a face?”
thanks, mike silva, great question!
HELLO HELLO MR WILPON... BUY THAT MANSION. WE DONT NEED A CONDO.
by kendynamo on Dec 11, 2010 2:21 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
*were
Damn noun-verb agreement
It's a triumph of number crunching over the human spirit...aaaaaand, it’s about time. -- Play-by-Play Announcer, The Simpsons.
by MookieTheCat on Dec 10, 2010 11:21 PM EST up reply actions
injuries
I thought about asking about injuries and things like not putting Reyes on the DL and rushing Beltran and Castillo back.
But hopefully we have no injuries to worry about in 2011.
-Ceetar, the Optimistic Mets Fan
Ah, your question was good.
Certainly not a waste of a question, which is pretty high praise. In the “ask Sandy a question” thread the other day someone suggested a question on the injury and loss-prevention philosophy of the team. Especially with Johan “coming back earlier than expected” talk of the last few days, I’m cringing already that we’re going to see him for a month of a rebuild year, then he’s going to be gone for 2012. I would bet money on this, seriously. I think Ray Ramirez’ and the Mets team doctors’ performance over the past few years deserves a hard look.
And yes, you certainly do live up to your blog’s name. False advertising, it is not.
It's a triumph of number crunching over the human spirit...aaaaaand, it’s about time. -- Play-by-Play Announcer, The Simpsons.
by MookieTheCat on Dec 10, 2010 11:28 PM EST up reply actions
thanks
well, the ‘early’ reports on Santana weren’t really reports. It was more like “We were thinking maybe he’ll pick up a ball 1/25, but maybe now he’ll do it 1/5” But they said Beltran was going to start baseball activities in April and he didn’t. All these things are just wild guesses, until he actually starts the rehab process, and then it’s upgraded to merely guesses.
-Ceetar, the Optimistic Mets Fan
True
But there’s been a certain sense of—hmmmmm, since I can’t think of a better word, don’t take this the wrong way—optimism in projections for return recently, and quite a few aggravations, re-injuries, or players who are clearly habitual liars underperforming while trying to play through the pain. If that was a result of organizational mistrust and lack of communication, that might have been organically cured by the change, but I don’t buy it until I hear it from the horse’s mouth that this is in fact the reason. Sure it’s a crapshoot whether today or a month from now is the optimal time to bring a player back, but when you’re consistently guessing short you might need to take a look at that process to determine whether poor choices were the result of good process and bad luck, or for some other reason.
It's a triumph of number crunching over the human spirit...aaaaaand, it’s about time. -- Play-by-Play Announcer, The Simpsons.
by MookieTheCat on Dec 10, 2010 11:49 PM EST up reply actions
Every time I scroll back up and notice something new.
Injury scrapheap: predicted. It’s also good that they are meeting with doctors, for obvious reasons.
First of all, we are concerned about our pitching. We had a number of conversations last week regarding starting pitchers. Some of our discussions were with doctors laughs as opposed to agents. Because some of the starting pitching that has the highest upside would be pitchers coming off of injury. Pitchers coming off of injury is not just about lower salaries, it’s also about what their upside might be. Just as we did with the catching and the bullpen last week, we want to address some of our needs now and perhaps be willing to wait on others
It's a triumph of number crunching over the human spirit...aaaaaand, it’s about time. -- Play-by-Play Announcer, The Simpsons.
"Mike Silva, TheMikeFrancesa.com"
heh
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Dec 10, 2010 11:16 PM EST reply actions
So does that mean that "MikeFrancesa.com" is available?
It's a triumph of number crunching over the human spirit...aaaaaand, it’s about time. -- Play-by-Play Announcer, The Simpsons.
by MookieTheCat on Dec 10, 2010 11:20 PM EST up reply actions
this guy is the real deal
i’ve made a mistake in the past few days. i’ve been reading Mets updates on Facebook and getting riled by the comments. mostly it’s “Mets suck! they need Cliff Lee!!!!” really gotta stop reading the comments.
but these questions he answered are hardcore. just from reading, it seems he was very impressed with the quality of questions that were asked. i’m sure he’ll get a complete reversal tomorrow on SNY and then when he goes on WFAN next week and has to answer crap from the idiots who post on FB.
thank you very much for the transcription. and in general, thanks to all the Amazin Avenue guys this week. from the Winter Meetings to the RA Dickey interview, to kicking this out as raw as possible very quickly. if there’s an award for sports bloggers, you guys should get one.
"they're still shitty"
by Help!I'maRock! on Dec 10, 2010 11:26 PM EST reply actions
don't do that
reading facebook comments? Better off downing large quantities of beer and poking yourself in the eye. it’s healthier.
-Ceetar, the Optimistic Mets Fan
by Ceetar on Dec 10, 2010 11:29 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Seriously
Don’t do that. The only way that FB is better than Daily News comments is that folks generally use their real names. All this has proven to me is that anonymity is not a necessary prerequisite for abject stupidity.
It's a triumph of number crunching over the human spirit...aaaaaand, it’s about time. -- Play-by-Play Announcer, The Simpsons.
by MookieTheCat on Dec 10, 2010 11:31 PM EST up reply actions
or Yahoo! comments...blech
good questions though and thanks for posting the transcripts Eric
"Fantasy, reality, science Fiction. Which is which? Who can tell?"
by feslenraster on Dec 11, 2010 8:21 AM EST up reply actions
and James lol. I was reading the other one too. oops!
"Fantasy, reality, science Fiction. Which is which? Who can tell?"
by feslenraster on Dec 11, 2010 8:22 AM EST up reply actions
I lol'd.
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by Steve Schreiber on Dec 11, 2010 12:09 AM EST up reply actions
oh believe me. i know i shouldn't be reading it
i just forget how different an experience i have watching a baseball game than other people. i’m kinda stuck in the middle. halfway between the WFAN listeners on one side, and the SABR guys on the other. in other words, i watch the game differently than the av-er-age bear, i just can’t do math.
"they're still shitty"
by Help!I'maRock! on Dec 11, 2010 12:40 AM EST up reply actions
Wow this was pretty cool
I’m really glad we got to ask Alderson some very straightforward questions that really helped clarify the direction the Mets are going in. It has such a similar feeling when Donnie Walsh came in to clean up the Knicks. I am really excited about the future of the Mets, some small pain today, but there will be very bright future gains starting even this year.
Smart GMs
are smart.
Can't spell "Colletti" without LOL.
Also, typos
In the answer to Mike Donto’s question “moe” should be move. And same para “apposition” should be “a position.” I’ve transcribed my share of recordings and I know it suuuucks, so I hope this helps.
It's a triumph of number crunching over the human spirit...aaaaaand, it’s about time. -- Play-by-Play Announcer, The Simpsons.
You really should have asked for help man
I know how much stuff like this both sucks and blows. I would have helped you transcribe it if you’d wanted. I’m doing my part! [/Starship Troopers propaganda film reference]
It's a triumph of number crunching over the human spirit...aaaaaand, it’s about time. -- Play-by-Play Announcer, The Simpsons.
by MookieTheCat on Dec 11, 2010 12:51 AM EST up reply actions
This video should be required for AA regulars
We’re going to WAR
It's a triumph of number crunching over the human spirit...aaaaaand, it’s about time. -- Play-by-Play Announcer, The Simpsons.
by MookieTheCat on Dec 11, 2010 12:55 AM EST up reply actions
It's RiCCo, not REECo.
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by Steve Schreiber on Dec 11, 2010 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
did you say Gecko?
"Fantasy, reality, science Fiction. Which is which? Who can tell?"
by feslenraster on Dec 11, 2010 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
Why?
You just had an American offer to do it for free. Take that lower foreign wage scale!
It's a triumph of number crunching over the human spirit...aaaaaand, it’s about time. -- Play-by-Play Announcer, The Simpsons.
by MookieTheCat on Dec 11, 2010 3:17 PM EST up reply actions
Wow!
Mookie,
I don’t know if you remember me, but you visited TwinkieTown last year to curse the Yankees during the playoffs.
I just wanted to tell you how happy I am for you – and all of the rest of you lucky Mets fans – to have such a remarkable General Manager at the helm.
I think Alderson has real potential to be one of the best in the game, again.
Hah!
Thanks man. TwinkieTown still hosts my favorite non-Mets gamethread. The “Rally Rural Minnesota Farming Community” jpg still makes me laugh, as does the factoid that Yanni went to UMN. Yeah, I won’t speak for others, but I’m pretty excited about some of the systemic differences I’m seeing.
It's a triumph of number crunching over the human spirit...aaaaaand, it’s about time. -- Play-by-Play Announcer, The Simpsons.
by MookieTheCat on Dec 11, 2010 1:52 AM EST up reply actions
I'm going to have to stop by your game threads this coming year.
For my money, LookoutLanding hosts the best non-(YourHomeTeamHere) game threads, at least when they aren’t all complaining. (And sometimes even when they are!)’
I do love my Twins, though!
Yeah come on over
They get a little more OT than most, but are almost always good fun.
It's a triumph of number crunching over the human spirit...aaaaaand, it’s about time. -- Play-by-Play Announcer, The Simpsons.
by MookieTheCat on Dec 11, 2010 3:18 PM EST up reply actions
to be fair
I’m not sure if they’d get quite as off topic if the Mets didn’t suck.
2009 Did Not Happen
yes they would.
we’d find a way to work the double rainbow into every win then go off on how rainbows are pretty/ weak.
I hate Philadelphia so much.
by the caveman on Dec 12, 2010 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
We, we still don't know about the condo-to-mansion ration, do we?
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 11, 2010 3:14 AM EST reply actions
Does Moneyball imply shoe-string budget?
I thought the Moneyball concept was more along the lines of finding and exploiting market inefficiencies.
Fire
Joe Morgan.
Can't spell "Colletti" without LOL.
In that case,
Don’t Hire Joe Morgan.
Can't spell "Colletti" without LOL.
by D4P on Dec 11, 2010 2:34 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
HEY!
JOE MORGAN WROTEZ BAZEBALL FOR DUMMIES
What Would Matt Szczur Do?
by Hoyadestroya85 on Dec 11, 2010 7:42 PM EST up reply actions
The most appropriately-named book ever?
"The lesson behind Moneyball is that if you are clever in your use of resources, you can gain power beyond your station. It is not, never has been, and never will be, that 'computer models' should take over the world." - Graham
by Thomas Wachtel on Dec 12, 2010 6:38 PM EST up reply actions
Yup. Made me wonder if Alderson quite grasped the concept.
It was about locating undervalued assets (i.e. market inefficiencies), though perhaps Alderson was speaking to the popular (mis)perception of Moneyball.
I'm engaged to be married next July
but I’m pretty sure I’d run away with Sandy Alderson if he’d have me
this interview was excellent, and I’m so excited about the Mets it’s kind of ridiculous.
2009 Did Not Happen
i agree.
like im on the level of nlcs 06 EXCITED…ya know before it went bad and i cried..and threw things and got drunk
I hate Philadelphia so much.
I have always considered myself an optimistic mets fan
but I have been blogging somewhat negative for the past 3 years. I think it had something to do with having an abject fool at the helm. We can do nothing about the Wilpons. The manager is important but not vital. It is such a relief to find reason ruling again.
One of the best interview segments I have ever seen
Never mind being articulate and straightforward, which Sandy certainly was, but the general theme here was one of openness, transparency, and direct interpersonal dialogue. And I can tell immediately that Sandy already has a solid approach in mind, and is confident enough that he will stand directly in the line of fire of his critics with regards to a so-called “lack of aggressiveness” in the free agency market, by making a few simple truthful points that will put most of them to rest, with nary a break of sweat. (Kids these days… hehe…) He’ll be able to handle the mainstream media of New York just fine, even if results are slow to fruition.
He doesn’t need to draw out an outline – it’s all in his head. Throughout the years, I have discovered that it is best to set expectations in line reasonably, estimating when progress can be expected, as opposed to setting deadlines regardless of circumstance to try to be all gung-ho and progressive, and setting oneself up for disappointment and futility – I believe Sandy knows this better than I do. (Absolutism fails absolutely, as I recall.) Limited disclosure is needed when dealing with hypothetical scenarios and “maybes” – insuring and building credibility is important.
He knows the organization well and has a thoroughly deep understanding of his ideology, that we will be hard-pressed to find anything that is undoubtedly contradictory. (In another life, Alderson was probably a renowned defense attorney.) He has served in baseball management for 30 years (and the Marines before that), and above all, what I like most about him is the fact that he is open to paradigm shifts, and will use the scientific method to derive conclusions, rather than stubborn old ideologies that don’t work (like rushing prospects). It’s rare to see a sabermetrics-oriented baseball management veteran with the kind of experience and resume that Alderson has. In sum, Alderson can adapt to change readily; he knows well that no matter how knowledgeable he is, there will always be more to learn, from newer developments and discoveries in managerial science, which is constantly evolving.
Through all the rummaging of excel spreadsheets, GM Daily Briefs, player files, organizational evaluations, PowerPoint presentations, agendas, earnings reports and an organizational ledger, Alderson will be just fine. (I’m sure he hired a team of IT experts to assist him with those Google APIs for making tables, charts and graphs.) I’m sure the organization manual will help considerably, as well – the Mets do need a playbook badly, just to keep the foundations aligned and balanced, for starters. Rest assured, the period of the Amazin’ Mets are coming back, like 1999.
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yup
amazing, we went from Omar to Sandy. what a difference this makes….it makes me hopeful for 2012-
"Fantasy, reality, science Fiction. Which is which? Who can tell?"
what a difference this makes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVyyyGxWYD8
Official Member of The Ancient Mystic Society of No Melo
reading into it
Do I read into it that he stated the budget as 130-140 for this year but used a 150 figure when talking about the 25 man roster of the future?
-Ceetar, the Optimistic Mets Fan
It's a slightly ambiguous phrasing, but I think he wasn't giving $150M as a budget
He was saying you can’t fill a whole 25-man roster all with guys with $150M contracts.
That's how I read it too
He was saying that a team can have some highly-paid stars, but you always need your less expensive role players, guys in their first couple of years making the minimum etc.
It's a triumph of number crunching over the human spirit...aaaaaand, it’s about time. -- Play-by-Play Announcer, The Simpsons.
by MookieTheCat on Dec 11, 2010 3:50 PM EST up reply actions
Silva
Silva needs to stay far, far away from these things. I’m shocked he asked a non-idiotic question, but if he goes in there next time with something akin to trading Reyes to the Yankees for Joba Chamberlain and 2 crappy prospects then Sandy will shut the thing down on the spot!
Generic questions....
….garner generic answers. Lame.
Wait, what?
What generic questions? Point me towards the interview that you’re reading.
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by Steve Schreiber on Dec 11, 2010 11:41 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Your username is ironic, considering your comment.
I disagree, by the way.
"The lesson behind Moneyball is that if you are clever in your use of resources, you can gain power beyond your station. It is not, never has been, and never will be, that 'computer models' should take over the world." - Graham
by Thomas Wachtel on Dec 12, 2010 6:46 PM EST up reply actions
This is full of fail.....
not once did Sandy say .... you know what I'm sayin
by fxcarden on Dec 11, 2010 10:51 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
I'm disappointed nobody lobby for a job.
"The lesson behind Moneyball is that if you are clever in your use of resources, you can gain power beyond your station. It is not, never has been, and never will be, that 'computer models' should take over the world." - Graham
by Thomas Wachtel on Dec 12, 2010 6:46 PM EST up reply actions
see everyone?
the sun WILL come up tomorrow. Heck of a job, Sandy.
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
My favorite thing that Sandy said was:
I do believe we’ll be over-slot, maybe more than occasionally.
"The Mets are gonna be amazing!" - Casey Stengel
I do believe I'm developing a mancrush
Articulate people turn me on!
by pkyankeefan on Dec 11, 2010 2:27 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I have a question
How can the Wilpons haved liked Omar AND Sandy? They’re like night and day.
by pkyankeefan on Dec 11, 2010 2:32 PM EST via mobile reply actions
maybe theyre not the dunderheads we all thought
and are actually learning from past experiences and adapting these lessons to future business strategies.
and i dont mean for that to be read with sarcasm or or condescension as if i thought they were geniuses the whole time. i genuinely thought they were dunderheads too, but it could be that they had some science dropped on their asses and they took it to heart.
HELLO HELLO MR WILPON... BUY THAT MANSION. WE DONT NEED A CONDO.
I think
the Wontpons had a paternalistic attitude toward Omar. They personally liked him very much, and rooted for his success rather than analyzing his performance. They were also timid about firing a minority GM. That is somewhat understandable. Don:t forget, when they lowered the boom on Willie, no one could accuse them of doing it for racial reasons.
Timid about firing a minority GM? Stupid to go there because you're assuming based
on what could only be your feeling toward minorities. Omar was hired because he’s a great salesman and he gets people to believe in him. Omar was fired because he’s a better salesman than a GM. He just couldn’t deliver what he pitched. Neither his hiring or eventual firing had anything to with his race.
By all accounts Willie Randolph was undermined and might have been fired prematurely. The way Randolph was fired showed a lack of class that was roundly blasted in the media. The circumstances surrounding his firing could be viewed as racist which is why Omar(minority) was told to fire him by Jeff Wilpon.
Anyway those days are over and Sandy is here now
Freedom is a road seldom traveled by the multitudes...
Well, let's not assume anything
Whether or not race or background was involved at all, is a pointless topic to debate. Let’s not bring race into this discussion – I will tell like it like it was. Race may have been involved, but we are not ones to decide whether or not that was the case, especially in the absence of hard facts and supporting evidence.
Omar knew how to draw free agents with his sales pitch and charisma, but only focused on the moment itself, instead of investing long-term. I don’t call a 7-year $126 million contract on a 32 year-old player a long-term investment – it’s a long-term commitment aimed at an immediate-term solution. Every team wants to win (maybe except the Pirates and perhaps the Royals), but patience and allocation is key. At that, Omar has faltered. Sandy Alderson hit the nail on the head when mentioning that the best teams in baseball often have some of the best farm systems as well. Just look at the Giants and the Rangers last year with their top-tier farm systems, and then look at them now. Point made.
Willie’s situation was a little more of an unfortunate circumstance, or series of them. It all escalated with Jose Reyes’ lack of hustle towards the end of 2007, especially at the series in Arizona, when Reyes was benched for not running out on a ground ball. Randolph, I believe, lost his patience, the clubhouse became filled with tension (see Wagner, Billy), and as Reyes was being somewhat denatured having lost his jovial demeanor, he stopped playing up to expectations. The tension brewed, and the clamoring for Willie’s firing reached fever pitch into June over on the media with the team somewhat underperforming. I was not in favor of the move so early into the season. I would watch SNY’s talk shows, and that’s all Chris Carlin would ever talk about. Newspapers (like the NY Daily News) were equally rash and joined the party. It became clear the organization was feeling the pressure, and on the 31st anniversary of the “Midnight Massacre”, Willie was fired in a hotel room in Anaheim after being visited at 2:00am in the morning by Omar. This happened after making the trip all the way out the California and managing just one game, which Willie had won. He finished the season 34-35 as manager. The way in which his firing was executed was totally shameful and devoid of professionalism. But don’t bring race into this discussion, please. An African-American manager was fired, and was subsequently replaced by another African-American manager, who was more laid back in stark contrast, almost to a fault.
I have high expectations of Sandy Alderson and Terry Collins, but none of these expectations are based on race. Hard facts are simply that, and combined, this is a solid M/GM team.
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really
who is talking about race? Let’s not be naive. I actually said it was understandable that the Wontpons had concerns about race (or ethnicity, in Omar’s case). That is just the way it is, and that is fine. I also said that they liked Omar, which they apparently did. But I think both these considerations kept Omar here well beyond the Bernazard presser, when he shouuld have been summarily dropped. Anyone who thinks that matters like race or ethnicity don’t enter into these decisions is living in the clouds. I think Willie got short shrift here, and I know he was uptight, and not my favorite manager, but at least he made demands on his players. It is my opinion that his remarks about race got him run out of here, and that the Wontpons very cynically felt they could do that and not cause a stink because they had Jerry waiting in the wings. That has nothing to do with my views on race. It has everything to do with my view of our ownership. They never do things for the best reasons.
Fixed this sentence...
Omar knew how to draw free agents with his sales pitch and charisma, by throwing insane amounts of money and years at them.
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by Steve Schreiber on Dec 12, 2010 12:03 PM EST up reply actions
and giving awful *hidden gems* in contracts
(F-Rod, Beltran, Tak2….)
"Fantasy, reality, science Fiction. Which is which? Who can tell?"
by feslenraster on Dec 12, 2010 7:53 PM EST up reply actions
another mind-reader
no-Willie had made suggestions about veiled racism. The Wontpons in their own unsophisticated way, felt secure firing Willie because they were replacing him with another African-American. Omar a salesman? What does he sell? Malaprops> Don’t forget that the Wontpons were very proud of the fact that they had hired a minority GM in New York. But I think they also had a genuine affection for Omar, which clouded their view of him as far as competence was concerned. Omar was the league’s fair-haired boy because he took the Montreal job when they needed someone to do it. Fred and Jeff usually do things for all the wrong reasons. That is their history. They should have studied what he did up there—but they did the same thing they did with Art Howe. They reacted. Somehow they became illogically infatuated with an idea and went with it. My post was in response to the question as to why the Wontpons could possibly like Omar AND Sandy. The answer to me is that they ususally do things asswise. It is usually the result of either irrationality or faulty reasoning. Sandy was the league’s choice, in my view. All that stalling around was to make it seem like they were laboring over the decision.
Ricco was also a close friend of Sandy's before the GM hire
Interim/Assistant GM Ricco definitely had a hand in this. He’s “that guy” who we hardly hear about. I believe he was the one pulling the strings in bringing in this new regime, not the Wilpons. The Wilpons are too laissez-faire to have done all the work in the GM search, among other things. Ricco is not even listed on the front office directory. When Omar was fired, we were not without a GM – Ricco filled that role in a shroud of secrecy. Perhaps, Ricco is Selig’s programmed Manchurian Candidate. Being that he doesn’t get media attention, he has the perfect cover with which he can pull everything together. Fortunately, it does appear that it will serve to our benefit.
If anybody on the team can be entrusted with confidential secret information and have major influence without garnering media attention, Ricco is that guy. If you’re a believer in conspiracy theories, just consider that the “managerial search” was probably a cover up, as the organization probably had someone in mind from the very beginning. Courtesy of Ricco.
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Great job by all the bloggers
Sandy’s been doing a great job of selling the benefits of flexibility & patience. When he’s on a forum like WFAN or whatever, just continue to push the point that: “Yeah we see (insert big name here) is out there, but we don’t need to break from organizational strategy to get him.” And most importantly: “Just because we have X $ at our disposal now doesn’t mean we spend it all at once.” Sure the Mets won’t be a hot topic, but the good process would hopefully lead to good results.
And he should mention that “Moneyball” isn’t about being cheap, it’s about finding & exploiting market inefficiency. I haven’t finished reading it yet, but I get a little aggravated when hosts/callers/writers equate Moneyball with being cheap or as some sabermetric manifesto.
What's that about?
I get a little aggravated when hosts/callers/writers equate Moneyball with being cheap or as some sabermetric manifesto.
And you can generally bet that none of those hosts/callers/writers have actually read the book.
Can't spell "Colletti" without LOL.
Which is strange
Because like most Michael Lewis books, it’s a really easy read.
It's a triumph of number crunching over the human spirit...aaaaaand, it’s about time. -- Play-by-Play Announcer, The Simpsons.
by MookieTheCat on Dec 11, 2010 3:52 PM EST up reply actions
Sadly, the only "easy read" for most of these sports hosts is this:

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by Steve Schreiber on Dec 11, 2010 3:55 PM EST up reply actions
I prefer this version
Sorry for the embedded language.

It's a triumph of number crunching over the human spirit...aaaaaand, it’s about time. -- Play-by-Play Announcer, The Simpsons.
by MookieTheCat on Dec 11, 2010 4:14 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
there is nothing more annoying
than people with uninformed opinions. But they are out there. We have a congress that passes bills without reading them, why shouldn’t the blogosphere make comments about books they have not read? It is some comfort to know that while the world may be going to hell in a handbasket, the mets seem to have found some equilibrium.
i have read green eggs and ham
and i’m sick of all those assholes talking about it who haven’t read it.
SAM I AM DIES IN THE END!!
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
by itsmetsforme on Dec 11, 2010 8:41 PM EST up reply actions
also, good job bloggers, and welcome to the club
of people who have asked sandy alderson a question. what luxurious, rarefied air we inhabit.
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Good interview and good to see the excitement
but the test of the fans will be when we’re 15 out in August.
But I trust this audience more than the typical WFAN caller profile.
It's so amazing to genuinely believe that your team's GM is smarter than you
"I think Murdertron makes a good point though."
Alderson a disappointing so far
He signed Paulino for too much money, first of all. A third string catcher can get more than a million per year? Wow that’s pretty good. Definitely not running the club on a shoestring. Instead, why not bring up some kid from the minors to catch for $400K? Thole will be the regular catcher anyway. You have the club’s #1 catcher making less than his backup. Makes NO sense.
There was early talk about the club trading Reyes and Beltran. Both could’ve been great moves with the right haul of prospects. The club is old and expensive; it needs to get younger and cheaper. Nothing about this was done.
From early indications, it appears that Alderson doesn’t have the will to shake things up and do the “right” but unpopular moves.
Also did nothing to address the team’s atrocious, band-aid rotation.
Up here, bro!
High five!!
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 12, 2010 6:06 PM EST up reply actions
Patience is a virtue
So is correctly valuing free agent catchers.
It's a triumph of number crunching over the human spirit...aaaaaand, it’s about time. -- Play-by-Play Announcer, The Simpsons.
by MookieTheCat on Dec 12, 2010 1:33 PM EST up reply actions
Your argument makes no sense.
Thole is a prospect and is still cost controlled. That’s why he’s making less than Paulino, who has more than 6 years MLB experience. It actually makes very much sense.
And in regards to the rotation…it’s December 12th. There are 2 months of the offseason left.
I hate stupid people.
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by Steve Schreiber on Dec 12, 2010 2:39 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly who do we have to catch in the minor leagues that could possibly do better
than replacement level?
Is this what you told Mike Francesa?
Did he agree that you agreed with him? What is legit?
Save Jenrry Mejia!
by Ogre39666 on Dec 12, 2010 4:05 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It better have been.
It better have been…
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 12, 2010 6:06 PM EST up reply actions
I'm just going to leave this here.

"The lesson behind Moneyball is that if you are clever in your use of resources, you can gain power beyond your station. It is not, never has been, and never will be, that 'computer models' should take over the world." - Graham
by Thomas Wachtel on Dec 12, 2010 6:55 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
good counter-arguments...
NOT…snide comments generally are not persuasive.
Admittedly I wrote this before I saw Paulino’s states against LHPs. However, still not a good deal for someone who’s going to get 100 ABs.
I know the angle but 1.3M is still too much for a backup catcher. As for who catches in his stead – who cares?
I know this is a Mets fan site, so anything negative will be attacked. Mariners signed Olivo for $3.5M over 600 AB’s. So the Mets are actually paying Paulino more per AB than the Mariners are paying their starting catcher (and no one will argue that Paulino is better than Olivo).
Obviously Thole is cost controlled; that’s the point. It makes no sense to abandon cost savings due to home grown talent and then use those savings to stock up your ballclub with filler. It hasn’t worked the last 3 years for the Mets now has it.
What are you talking about?
We’ve been far more vicious to the Mets than you think. And I’m sorry, but Miguel Olivo is not very good. A man who’s coming off a career high in OBP who can’t hit right-handed pitching(career .231/.269/.395) should not get $7 million over 2 years, let alone be considered a starter. Don’t believe me? Ask Mariner fans. We paid a guy who doesn’t hit RHPs $1.3 million to be a platoon partner. Seatlle paid a guy who can’t hit RHPs $3 million to start. So, who’s wrong here? We needed a backup catcher, Paulino was available for the right price, so how is that “filler?”
What's that about?
But that doesn't make sense...
just because your starting catcher is homegrown doesn’t mean that the backup automatically has to be as well. Don’t look at it as by at bat…1.3 million is very very inexpensive for a pretty solid backup in Paulino. He’s no world beater and that’s why he’s a backup catcher these days but he’s serviceable on both sides of the ball, especially vs lefties.
And as Brian. said, Miguel Olivo is not very good. He’s alright defensively but he is a Francoeur level out-machine at the plate. He’s Barajas with a touch less power. I know Paulino doesn’t have great OBP’s but at least he’s broken .300 multiple times, where Olivo’s .315 was a full season career high.
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by Steve Schreiber on Dec 12, 2010 9:38 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, i don't understand the hang up on $1.3M to a decent backup Catcher.
It’s only a couple hundred K more than the bad ones sign for on January.
Also, assuming a $150M budget, we’re committing 1% of our payroll to a solid 200+ plate appearances with a league average glove at the most valuable position.
Not to mention he'll only have to be worth a fraction of a WAR to be worth the contract.
Something like 0.25 WAR and we break even.
Save Jenrry Mejia!
obviously he came from Metsblog....heh
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by feslenraster on Dec 13, 2010 10:40 AM EST up reply actions
why, who ELSE would you have rather had as a complement catcher to Thole?
Most of the catching fodder out there is either a) too expensive b) bad c) will take away Thole’s playing time. D) or cost a pick
Miguel Olivo signed for 2 years at $7M and will cost a pick, is he worth having? If anything, the Mets should try and trade for young catching prospects whom might be blocked(like Rockies’ Mick McKenry) and rebuild depth in that position.
and with all the money tied up in often injured, and deadweight players what else can Sandy do?
have you looked at the free agent market in pitching “depth” in 2011? Aside from Cliff “I am Lebron” Lee, would you want any of those guys? Kevin Millwood, Kevin Correa (signed)…coming off injuries: Francis, Webb….etc. etc.
the year’s not yet begun, and the free agency peroid isn’t half done.
have some patience. ….
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