Should Daniel Murphy Make The Team?
Terry Collins listed Daniel Murphy as one of the four "legitimate guys" who might man second base next season. Brad Emaus, Justin Turner and Luis Castillo were also named, while Ruben Tejada was notably omitted. Murphy is mentioned by most as a strong bet to make the team in some capacity. Many AAOPs featured him on the bench. Matt Cerrone of Metsblog.com has long envisioned Murph as player in the Ty Wigginton mold, as you can read here, here, here, here and here. It's early for Spring Training-esque rosterbation but there is enough information available to at least broach the subject of Murphy's place in the organization in 2011. My quick take: he shouldn't be on the Opening Day roster.
If Collins is to be taken at his word, and is speaking with the front office's blessing, the Mets are serious about Murphy playing second base. Assuming this is the case, Murphy should start next season at Triple-A Buffalo continuing to learn the position. His stint there ended abruptly last June, when the coward Leonard Davis took him out breaking up a double play. It was a dirty slide -- "I've played 11 years professionally and it's one of the dirtiest slides I've ever seen", sayeth Andy Green -- and Murph was unlucky to sustain the brutal injury. Dirty slide, clean slide -- Murphy still needs to log more time playing the position at full speed, with baserunners sliding into the bag guns-blazing. Game experience is necessary, and a few Dominican Winter League games are not enough. Especially if he is expected to play full-time or as part of a platoon.
Should Murphy prove himself capable with the glove in the minors, the Mets might have a credible solution to the second base problem. The other internal options at the higher levels are none too promising right now. Reese Havens can't stay on the field. Tejada looks like a backup. Depending on the respective performances of Turner and Emaus this season, a Murphy/[insert player] platoon could be a viable option going forward. If Murph is a second base catastrophe, there's really no harm done and at least an attempt was made.
Who should start the season at second base? Gun to my head, I'd pick Turner right now and trust that the Mets find a solid backup who can also play shortstop. Hopefully it's someone better than Luis Hernandez or Chin-lung Hu but chances of that are looking slim. Maybe the front office believes Turner can play shortstop but he has limited experience there. Oh, and Castillo should be dropped before Opening Day, regardless of Murphy's handling.
Abandoning Murphy's second base experiment would be a minor mistake. But if that's the decision, then his presence on the roster as a four corners bench player makes sense. An OPS around .770 is terrific for a reserve, even one who fills in at non-premium positions. Plus he is inexpensive, meaning the Mets won't be wasting $2 million, Alex Cora/Marlon Anderson style. Throw in Ronny Paulino, Nick Evans, another outfielder (Fred Lewis?) and someone capable of playing shortstop and that's the makings of a respectable bench.
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Let him play.
Just remember these words: “What’s you name son?” “Murphy.”
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by MookieTheCat on Dec 29, 2010 10:24 PM EST up reply actions
Barring his being completely incapable during spring training
I say go with it and give him the gig on opening day. I don’t really think we have much to lose and we know that his bat is better than AAA level. Why waste him at AAA? Let him get on the job training instead…I know we did it with him in LF too but this will be a little easier. The guy’s naturally an infielder. The only thing that really worries me is the double play but I don’t really see the point of him being at AAA.
I still lobby Murphy/Turner platoon although Emaus is very interesting and I’d hate to have to send him back to Toronto (or elsewhere after spring training).
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by Steve Schreiber on Dec 29, 2010 10:37 PM EST reply actions
Why not?
I agree with you. Murph got a bad break last year with the slide and injury (and f*** Leonard Davis, the guy sounds like a bad accountant or good union organizer anyway). But he shows promise, and I think give the kid a chance, even if it’s on the bench. He can’t be worse than our recent benchwarmers. I’ve been reading “NIce Guys Finish Last” again tonight, and got about 1/3 through the book before putting it down. I think he’s Durocher’s style.
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by MookieTheCat on Dec 29, 2010 10:42 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
If he can regain
some of his bb% from ’08 then I would keep him on the roster.
He was a boy of soft demeanor
And he loved his caburetor cleaner
Out of Spring Training, no.
In all likelihood, he’d be a back-up to Castillo. Alderson probably will direct Collins to give Castillo the starting job, to see if we can get anything decent out of him (probably not). Some combination of Emaus/Turner/Hu would be the optimal back-up. I wouldn’t want Murphy as a back-up, because all that time he’s sitting on the bench, he could be in AAA refining his 2b craft.
If Castillo is cut, or designated the back-up, I wouldn’t want to see Murphy as the starting 2b, because he still has a relatively small amount of experience at the position. Replace Murphy’s name with some random other player from another team, with a similar profile, and would you be fully comfortable giving that player the role as starting 2b? Odds are, no.
I’m not averse to seeing Murphy in the bigs this season, and seeing him play at 2b (if he isn’t a complete disaster, which, by all accounts, he isn’t), but I don’t particularly want to see him as the primary or back-up second baseman when the season begins. A month or two into it, sure.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 29, 2010 11:56 PM EST reply actions
If Alderson forces Castillo into the lineup
in hopes of getting something back for him in a trade, then he isn’t the man
whoops,
he isn’t the man most of us hoped/think he is. Castillo is a sunk cost, but luckily we are in the last year of his contract. He has no impact on 2012 and beyond, so there is no reason to waste at bats on him this year. Just cut him, pay him, and let’s move on from that mess. It may be an insignificant move, but ridding themselves of Castillo would be a satisfying move for a lot of fans and media because it would distance the new regime from the old one. Pay him his 6 mil, knowing his contract isn’t affecting next years payroll and let youth take over at second base. Trying to dump a bad 6 million dollar contract in the last year of it’s deal shouldn’t be a priority for the Mets this year.
I agree, and in my AAOP, I gave Castillo his release
In his initial press conference, Alderson specifically made mention that he wasn’t going to necessarily immediately outright release certain players (the allusion certainly was towards Perez and Castillo), but that he wanted to see if those alluded to players had something to contribute. I can agree with it, to a degree, especially because the other in-house options currently being floated around- Turner, Emaus, Hu, Tejada, Murphy- aren’t necessarily guaranteed to be better than the blah that Castillo has been giving us either offensively or defensively (or possibly both).
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 30, 2010 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not saying Murph should have the job handed to him.
But if he’s a competent glove at second already, I don’t see the point of putting him at AAA for a dozen or two games. He can play first well, decent at third and he’s a decent big league bat.
The real question should be is he a bench only guy, platooning at second or starting at second?
This season is going to require a lot of luck and everything going right for us to compete. We might as well gamble a bit by doing some shoehorning. IMO, I’d cut Castillo, and form a 2B platoon out of the internal options. Get a 750-800 OPS out of 2B and cross our fingers that their defense is averagish.
He's played a handful of games at the position, over his college, winterball and Minor League career
On the cusp of moving away from small sample size, but still not enough time to make me say, “Yeah, he’s intimately experienced with the position”.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 30, 2010 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
Right, I'm just replying to posters who say he should play in AAA for a month.
I don’t think that small experience is going to do much. If he looks decent at second in spring training than roll the dice. If he’s clearly inept than he’s either a bench player or full timing it at second at AAA for half a year at least.
The difference between a handful of games spanning a few months and a month of two in AAA is huge
Asides for the small sample (with fielding, it is true, either you have it or you don’t), what if he gets fatigued playing MI really quick, playing everyday for a week, two weeks, something that wouldn’t be reflected in the sample we have right now?
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 30, 2010 11:41 PM EST up reply actions
Right, the leash would be very short on him in that scenario.
I’m saying if he looks competent, than role the dice on him either starting or platooning. If at any point he looks like a putz out there more than the occasional play than give it to Emaus or Turner.
I mean, we’re realistically a 500 team, so we’re going to need to gamble a bit with a reclamation starting pitcher or two, try to shoehorn a decent bat at second and hope the Bravos or Phils get the injury bug big time so we can compete for the WC.
It’s really either gamble with the proven bat/unproven glove in Murph or proven glove/unproven bats in Emaus or Turner. I’d rather gamble with Murph out of the gates and he’s a hack go to the others.
Options Options
Isn’t he out of options? If so, the only way he can be farmed out is for a few weeks on a rehab assignment.
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by Aidan Gibson on Dec 30, 2010 8:08 AM EST up reply actions
This is what I get from Wikipedia
(for what it’s worth)
“If a player is on the 40-man roster and not the active 25 man roster for any part of more than three seasons (in which he spent 20 or more total days of service in the minors), he is out of options and may not be assigned to the minors without first clearing waivers.”
So my reading is that if he had 20 days of activity before the injury (I don’t know if he did), his option years are done. (He only played in eight games, so…)
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I believe they haven't used an option on Murphy
because he was never sent back to the minors. He was called up and added to the 40 man in August 08, made the big league team out of ST in 09 and stayed up all season and then was on the big league DL all year in 2010.
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by Steve Schreiber on Dec 31, 2010 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
I think he would have used an option last year,
since he was in the minors and never got called up.
I am willing to wait to build a world class franchise (h/t to millsy)
by BobbyV_Incognito on Dec 31, 2010 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
But he was on the DL at that point, right?
Wasn’t he on ML rehab assignment? Or was he actually optioned to the minors? If he was in fact activated from the major league and sent to the minors, then they did use an option last season.
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by Steve Schreiber on Dec 31, 2010 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
I think if Murphy shows he can handle 2B by the time the season starts he should be on the team.
I think a Murphy/Emaus platoon at 2B plus some like Hu who can play SS would be the best option. Murphy’s positional flexibility really helps (1B, 2B, 3B, OF).
by EtSuKe on Dec 30, 2010 1:28 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
He can't play OF
That was tried and it didn’t work out so well.
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I still think that was a ridiculously
small sample size
by deadspy3 on Dec 30, 2010 4:40 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
UZR actually had him being okay at there IIRC.
Still, I think his speed offset his awful jumps on balls. He should be an emergency 6th OFer only though.
Murphy has not demonstrated that he is a competent outfielder
Until he does, playing OF really shouldn’t be considered part of his skill set.
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I think he could fill in occasionally in the corners
Paired with another good defensive backup outfielder I think it would be fine.
He stinks in the field
wherever they put him
1b has something to say to you
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 30, 2010 11:42 PM EST up reply actions
3b, too.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 30, 2010 11:42 PM EST up reply actions
this guy has done everything the Mets have asked
he deserves a good shot at playing with the team, and he is a decent hitter to have. He has become a utility player if nothing else, 1B, 2B, 3B, OF, whats next C, SP
Any task BIG or small, Do it well or not at all
A platoon seems a good idea going forward
With his versatility, he can also spell Bay in left, Wright at third, and if Ike goes down, he can play first for a while
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Daniel Murphy=super utility dude
He can play 3 1/4 of the infield an probably the corner outfield positions. Granted, he’ll probably play one (3B) better than all the others, but eh. I say watch him tear it up during spring training and give him the starting job. And If not, a platoon with Castillo wouldn’t be that bad. Unless he gets cut (fingers crossed) or perhaps a single-A spot ;).
Murphy is the new Super-Joe?
I can see that, he is versatile and looks like a reasonable bat. He does not have Joe’s glove or range but looks like a much, much better bat.
Murphy/Emaus/Hu look like a fair infiled bench with Robo playing some LF when needed as a 5th OF
by ScottfromPeekskill on Dec 30, 2010 1:55 PM EST up reply actions
Super Utility? Make me retch.
You know there is this thing called DEFENSE which Murphy or Robo or the Irish Rose, or the Iron Maiden, or the Mad Slapper, or whatever you want to call him doesn’t have. How can you talk about trying to hide some guy with stone hands for 150 games? The ball will find him. His glove will KILL us wherever you put him, take your pick of positions, he’s putrid at every one of them. And it’s not like this guy is Wade Boggs either. I say get rid of him, maybe you can package him in a deal for a pitcher.
You'd need to define "kill"
I think it will kill us a great deal less than Luis Castillo/Cora/Tejada triumvirate of suck killed 2b last year. You’re kind of insinuating he’s going to make an error a game and have no range whatsoever. He’s not useless in the field. He proved pretty good at first base. Let’s see what he does as a 2b before you lay into him. You probably thought he couldn’t play 1b when they were about to try that, too.
No
He is not putrid. Please. Let’s maintain some perspective here. He’s played infield his whole career. He didn’t cut it for a few weeks in left after an injury forced him to miss his winter ball assignment where he was supposed to work on the adjustment. He switched to first and did fine.
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I'm just surprised so many are confident in his ability to play 2B for 80+ MLB games or whatever
19 career games in the minors at the position.
by James Kannengieser on Dec 30, 2010 9:23 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
His nickname is "The Irish Hammer"
Cool nickname > reality
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The Irish Hammer didn't do him much good.
I think he should now and forever be known as Robocop, Robo for short
by ScottfromPeekskill on Dec 30, 2010 1:56 PM EST up reply actions
He couldn't hammer a nail.
What’s so cool about a nickname for a STIFF who has never done squat in the big leagues and can’t play any defense.
Man, someone has a real bug up their ass
about Murphy. Chill out. Did he sleep with your girlfriend or something?
2nd-best UZR for NL 1B in 2009.
But why let facts get in the way of an unsubstantiated argument?
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by BobbyV_Incognito on Dec 31, 2010 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
This is true, but we also got to watch him firsthand for most (all?) of his games.
He was an above average fielding first basement. Just like we know he’s a terrible outfielder despite the SSS UZR data saying he’s okay.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 30, 2010 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
Didn't stop us from shoehorning Castillo and Cora there last year.
At least he can hit while not getting to balls at the very least.
I'd rather let Emus win the job and see what he can do
and give both Murph and Tejada time to shore up their second base defense. I like Murph’s ability to hit, but I can’t trust his lack of experience at second. We’ve seen how it can hurt defensively if you can’t catch a ball, turn the double play properly etc.
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Also prefer Emaus
His strike zone control gives him the edge over Turner in my opinion. Plus, we don’t want to lose Emaus, why not let Turner go to AAA if they have an option on him? Hopefully, it’s a good spring training competition where the candidate seized the job. And Castillo should be nowhere near the field. He really should be cut prior to Spring training, and not take any reps away from the other guys.
Also, don't count out Havens
I think he puts it together this season, and is promoted from Bingo to Buffalo in July and is on the roster for the Sept. call ups. That’s my bold prediction.
I just want to see
what he can do with another full year at a position that translates well for him offensively. Considering the rest of our options, why not.
That said, I can’t see why he can’t at least make the bench. He can play more positions than Justin Turner and Emaus. He and Rick Evans provide a lot of bench flexibility.
Revised......after reading the rest
I agree that giving him more time in the minors would help him. So what happens? Does he spends half the year with the Bisons then gets the call up while you give Turner or Emaus the everyday jobs? Not the worst idea. My main goal would be to give Murphy enough at bats in the biggs to get a better read on what he can do offensively.
by Coolpapabell on Dec 30, 2010 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
I'm the biggest Murphy homer out there
And I think he should make the team. But if Collins and Alderson think that he needs some work in the minors, then I’m all for that and using Emaus to start the season.
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by Preach19 on Dec 30, 2010 11:54 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
Bench could be
Evans
Hu
Robo
4th OF
Paulino
Emaus
with one of them playing 2nd. Does the 4th OF player need to have the ability to play CF?
by ScottfromPeekskill on Dec 30, 2010 2:00 PM EST reply actions
Trade him.
I can’t believe Murphy hasn’t been traded yet. He simply does not fit on this team. He is a man without a position and should be playing in KC with that loser Frenchie.
So Pete, when did your love affair with Murph begin?
Did your eyes meet across a crowded room? Did he reject your advances? Is that it? Maybe he just doesn’t swing that way.
At least he called Francoeur a loser.
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