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Sam's 2011 Offseason Plan

After debuting the original AAOP last year, I'm back with a new plan. Think I'm out of my mind here? Remember the only Mets blogger pushing for Kelly Johnson, R.A. Dickey, and Carl Pavano last offseason. Anyway, here's my squadron, consisting mostly of players I've watched play for the Nashville Sounds:

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Trades

  • Mike Pelfrey, Carlos Beltran and Lucas Duda to the Brewers in exchange for OF Lorenzo Cain and 2B Rickie Weeks. Agree to pay $15 Million dollars on Beltran's salary.-- The Brewers are, as ever, desperate for a starter to slot behind Yovani Gallardo. Pelfrey achieved several little plateaus last season--15 wins, ERA<3.70--that color people's perceptions of a player, but don't necessarily make the player good. Pelfrey has been the same unremarkable, average pitcher for three years now, but his value is at an all-time high. Weeks, when healthy, is a franchise player and solves a long-term problem at secondbase. Weeks recently changed agents, making him a signability concern for Milwaukee. Cain is a plus-defensive centerfielder who can handle Citi Field's tricky rightfield with lead-off hitter upside in his bat. 

Major League Signings

  • RHP Kevin Correia--1/$5M. Solid peripherals, good GB% bad luck with HR/FB and LOB%. Comparable skills to Pelfrey.
  • RHP Brad Penny--1/$3M. Dave Duncan quietly turned Penny into super-Joel Piniero last year, pre-injury. 
  • RHP Grant Balfour--2/$7M. Good set-up man.
  • LHP J.P. Howell--1/$1M w/incentives. One of the best left-handed relievers in the game, when healthy. 
  • OF Tony Gwynn Jr.--1/$500K. Incredible defensive outfielder with good batting eye. 
  • C Russel Martin--1/$1M. Formerly great afro-canadian catcher with recent  well-documented problems hitting the baseball. 

Minor League Signings

Secret Weapon

Here's the crux of my plan. I know it says "Haeger" on the roster, but he just signed with the Mariners and I'm not changing it. Being a knuckleball pitcher is like being a Jedi, you have to learn from a master. With Zink a minor league free agent, we may have a suitable apprentice for Dickey. 

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This is creative. I am happy to see Rickie Weeks at the center of your AAOP. I think he’s a worthwhile target, and I think the Mets have quite a few ways to make that work. (I am tempted to submit an AAOP centered around an Ike Davis/Rickie Weeks deal.)

by sjohnson125 on Dec 3, 2010 7:22 PM EST reply actions  

think we are giving up way too much for Weeks

a SP, and top OF maybe on the decline now, and a top OF prospect

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by Rickfansince76 on Dec 4, 2010 1:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Sounds plausible

I know you’re trying to be creative, but man, it’d be really tough to give up a decent and durable pitcher like Pelfrey when he’s still cost-effective. Especially when you consider how few top pitching prospects the Mets have along with Santana’s injury concerns. I think the Mets offense is fine as is and we can gamble on Beltran coming back strong and deal him mid-season for a better haul. As far as 2b is concerned, I’d rather just go with a Murph/Turner platoon and hope for the best with Havens. If it doesnt work out the Mets have tremendous flexibility next offseason.

by chakrabs on Dec 3, 2010 7:22 PM EST reply actions  

original offseason plan eh?

the robcast23 offseason plan. one week older. read it and weep.

your flores for carlos pena swap sounds pretty bad now but not much worse than my reliance on a revitalized rich harden at the top of the rotation.

by Rob Castellano on Dec 3, 2010 7:23 PM EST reply actions  

Why would the Brewers trade a 24 year old OF for a 36 year old OF coming off of major knee surgery??

I realize they need SP, but they are in a similar situation to us, but they’re not going to trade Cain and an awesome 2B for Beltran and an average SP, even if you eat Beltran’s salary.

Like the Penny, Gwynn, and Balfour signings, not too sure about Correia.

I also doubt Martin will sign for only $1 m. He still has a somewhat favorable reputation.

Overall solid job.

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by Syler on Dec 3, 2010 7:25 PM EST reply actions  

Pelfrey is under team control for three more years

Weeks can walk next year and easily price himself out Milwaukee. I don’t think it’s as lopsided as you make it seem. Cain is about 50-50 odds to become another Tony Gwynn Jr. anyway.

by Sam Page on Dec 3, 2010 7:28 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm just not sure why the Brewers would want a pseudo CF who's really better suited for RF

when they’re not likely to compete next year.

I understand they need pitching, but Weeks was worth 6 wins last year, and they could probably do better than Pelfrey.

One more thing….why would you want the Mets to trade Pelfrey? It’s not as if we’re stocked with young, cost controlled decent pitching.

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by Syler on Dec 3, 2010 7:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Johnny Damon wasn't really suited for CF the past few years

and ManRam has never been suited for any fielding, but teams overlook these deficiencies for the offensive upsides and Beltran is still one of the best bats (when not in a splint, cast, etc).
Beltran could be a risk, but he is also probably the best player in the trade.
The NL Central is the weakest division in the MLB and adding a bat like Beltran’s would ease the pain of losing Prince (whenever that occurs). Pelfrey would add middle rotation stability and give them a reasonable shot at taking the division.

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by Thaddeus Ballpheasant on Dec 3, 2010 7:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Why would we want to trade Pelfrey?

Because he still has enough perceived upside that teams will think highly of him and he still has 3 years of team control left. Plus the SP market is crappy.
It really is unfortunate that we have so little pitching depth this year as it’s the perfect offseason to deal him.

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by Ogre39666 on Dec 3, 2010 9:56 PM EST up reply actions  

they're not likely to compete next year because of their rotation

so improving their rotation would improve their chances to compete significantly

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by Gina on Dec 3, 2010 10:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Well at that point

why would we want Weeks unless we’re working on the assumption that we’d sign him to a long term extension? Seems like giving up a lot for a rebuilding year when he could potentially walk..

by bjk3047 on Dec 3, 2010 8:02 PM EST up reply actions  

yes

that is the assumption

by Sam Page on Dec 3, 2010 8:10 PM EST up reply actions  

That's $$ you might really need to account for.

I’m imagining a la Santana where that gets worked out immediately. Or else you run a huge risk if you’re supposing next off-season.

by bjk3047 on Dec 3, 2010 8:27 PM EST up reply actions  

?

There’s no 72-hour window to negotiate. Weeks is an arb 3 player and he has no trade veto rights. The Mets would have all season to get the deal done.

by Sam Page on Dec 3, 2010 8:39 PM EST up reply actions  

I wasn't suggesting there were negoiation terms like Santana

I was just saying it seemed like a gamble to let it go too far down the line to get a deal done. If you’re suggesting it get done mid-season, seems to me that would need to be reflected on the plan, as (I assume) his 2011 salary figure would change as a part of the extension.

by bjk3047 on Dec 3, 2010 9:12 PM EST up reply actions  

But

maybe that salary assumption was just that…and errant.

by bjk3047 on Dec 3, 2010 9:15 PM EST up reply actions  

interesting plan but

I don’t trust Weeks. inconsistent player with historic injuries….like him a lot though, as I drafted him every year except last year for my roto league.

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by feslenraster on Dec 4, 2010 8:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Epic fail on my part

Still, he’s not very young, and while it’s possible he’ll come back to form, I don’t understand why the Brewers would take him on, because they’re not likely to compete, they won’t be able to resign him, and they wouldn’t even get a pick since Beltran’s contract forbids arbitration from being offered.

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by Syler on Dec 3, 2010 8:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Again, a fail on my part

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by Syler on Dec 3, 2010 8:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Sorry

Posted that before I saw your, or Schmidtxc’s, post.

by Evan_S on Dec 3, 2010 10:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Which Chris Young would you take

if we are taking the weaker version of shared name players?

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by Thaddeus Ballpheasant on Dec 3, 2010 7:59 PM EST reply actions  

Would Martin really sign for 1 year/1 mil?

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by metsguy234 on Dec 3, 2010 8:06 PM EST reply actions  

Fat chance of that happening after the Barajas deal

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by Syler on Dec 3, 2010 11:22 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think so.

His name alone is probably worth a million to some team that’s not been paying too much attention lately.

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 3, 2010 11:51 PM EST up reply actions  

As a Brewers fan

I don’t really see them letting go of Cain that easily; let me know if I’m wrong, but Beltran is only under contract for 2011, right? I don’t think Doug Melvin is interested in trading for one year of a player. As for Weeks, they’re currently trying to negotiate an extension, but if that falls through, I could see him being moved for pitching. I think something along the lines of Weeks + parts for Pelfrey could happen, where obviously the parts aren’t as nice as Cain, but the Mets keep Beltran and Duda. Clearly the devil is in the details there, and again, it’s contingent on an extension not working out, but that’s what I could see happening.

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by Lefti on Dec 3, 2010 8:38 PM EST reply actions  

LOL, I wasn't trying to hate

I’m not sure why the Brewers would settle on Pelfrey, when they could probably get someone a lot better.

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by Syler on Dec 3, 2010 8:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Well I'd sure like that to be the case, but

Awesome as Rickie Weeks is, one year is only one year, and I suspect the Crew wants a pitcher with at least 3 years of control, so that limits your options. Add to that teams are being stingy with pitching and Weeks has only been able to stay healthy for a full season once, and I suspect Pelfrey would be among the better pitchers available as a return.

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by Lefti on Dec 3, 2010 9:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Why does everyone like Gwynn so much?

We already have Tejada if you want Gwynn’s offensive numbers. I just posted them on another thread and it’s eerie how close they are. Sure he might be a good defensive replacement but if you’re willing to swallow his line you might as well give some of our guys in AA or AAA some MLB time.

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by MookieTheCat on Dec 3, 2010 9:24 PM EST reply actions  

I actually don't mind having an OF who can play defense

and steal bases. we need that in this park, but yes, a better hitting 4th OF would be nice too.

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by feslenraster on Dec 4, 2010 8:35 AM EST up reply actions  

Because he's amazing in the OF

and wold cost near league minimum. Like I said in my AAOP, he’s basically Endy Chavez part II (but with better plate discipline).

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by Ogre39666 on Dec 3, 2010 10:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Tejada's an average defensive infielder

Gwynn is a fantastic OF. He’s probably my favorite part of this entire plan. That’s the type of small, seemingly meaningless signing that I want/expect to see.

by True Blue4 on Dec 4, 2010 1:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Weeks is too poor at second base to stick there long-term

Thats what really cripples this plan for me. If he was a buy-low, okay, but for Beltran AND Pelfrey? I think I want someone who can actually stick there.

I do like the Martin/Penny signings.

by riversmccown on Dec 3, 2010 9:34 PM EST reply actions  

While I admire your creativity

there’s a serious flaw your plan shares with most others, and that’s simply declining to add a good reliable starter to the rotation. (And yours is also the only one I can recall that aims to trade the Mets only starter as of the beginning of the year who has more than ONE good season to his name.)

I’m obviously in the minority on this site, but particularly when the rotation is as terribly thin as the Mets rotation is, why not spend the 8m you’ve alloted for two question marks, Correia and Penny, and include that in whatever package is necessary to get the best good, durable starter you can find? Correia has had one good, reasonably durable season as a starter. He wasn’t very good last year. Penny hasn’t been reliable in four years, and he seems able to keep his ERA under 5.50 only when he’s making fewer than 10 starts.

As for trading Pelfrey when the team desperately needs starters, I just don’t think you can do it unless the offer is overwhelming.

The rotation you’ve projected is less durable than it will be if the Mets don’t make any moves. That can’t be the right approach, imo.

by Jack Str on Dec 3, 2010 9:48 PM EST reply actions  

Disagree with the last part of that..

Really the only difference with no moves and Sam’s projected rotation is Pelfrey for Correia. Correia is no less durable than Pelfrey and we’re taking a flyer on Penny on a low risk 3 mil deal. Even the crux of Sam’s argument was that Pelfrey and Correia’s peripherals are comparable.

If we are to, as others’ AAOPs have suggested, treat 2011 as a dry run for 2012, I for one would much rather hold off on big name rotation additions until we have the budget to do so next off-season.

by bjk3047 on Dec 3, 2010 10:25 PM EST up reply actions  

No, seriously. You can't say that with a straight face.

“Correia is no less durable than Pelfrey”

Over the last three years:

Pelfrey: 200, 184, 204 innings

Correia: 110, 198, 145 innings

Do you not see the difference? Correia has been able to put together all of one Pelfrey season in his career. After which he struggled to stay in the rotation and missed a quarter of the season.

The Mets rotation is in terrible shape, and you think getting rid of its most durable starter is the way to go? We’re through the looking glass.

As for Brad Penny, it doesn’t matter how many prayers you and sam say, he’s all but done. He hasn’t been good since 2007. He’ll probably never have another good season in his career.

by Jack Str on Dec 4, 2010 3:49 AM EST up reply actions  

The only possible reason to get Penny

Is if you think he has 10 good starts in him before he hits the DL just in time for Santana to come back. If you’re pessimistic on Santana’s return, we don’t need Penny.

by FrancoTAU on Dec 4, 2010 5:09 AM EST up reply actions  

well, as for Penny he was having a decent year until injuries got him

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by feslenraster on Dec 4, 2010 8:35 AM EST up reply actions  

Dude, you wanna talk about 'seriously'?

You said ‘After which he struggled to stay in the rotation and missed a quarter of the season.’

The last time he was on the DL was April 27, 2008.

He was on the bereavement list for 12 days this past year when his brother died…..is that what you think you could possibly be making an excuse for ‘not as durable’?

by bjk3047 on Dec 4, 2010 4:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Isn't Balfour a type-A???

I (obviously) like the Howell and Gwynn Jr. signings.
The Pelfrey deal, while it may seem unpalatable at the moment (and for the rest of ‘11), it could very well be the type of deal that everyone looks back on as a Championship-paving trade. The one question I have to ask though is: why get Caine back when you’re signing Gwynn Jr.? Seems redundant.

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by Ogre39666 on Dec 3, 2010 10:08 PM EST reply actions  

yes he is

"Fantasy, reality, science Fiction. Which is which? Who can tell?"

by feslenraster on Dec 4, 2010 8:36 AM EST up reply actions  

It is

but we’d still give up a 2nd rounder and with this drafts supposed depth, that’s not good.

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by Ogre39666 on Dec 4, 2010 11:46 AM EST up reply actions  

and a supplemental pick right?

"Fantasy, reality, science Fiction. Which is which? Who can tell?"

by feslenraster on Dec 4, 2010 1:09 PM EST up reply actions  

love your guts.

I have been advocating the dealing of Pelf for 2 yrs. Now he actually has real value. I wouldn’t deal him for Weeks however cause we’ve already got one headache extension to deal with and we don’t need another… but I like the idea nonetheless…

if I dealt Pelf I was thinking more along the lines of returning a younger arm… was thinking Esmil Rogers and Chris Ianetta and maybe a minor league arm to boot… something like that.

Thing is that if we don’t have the resources available to build a real pen and with our ace out for maybe half the year or more, how are we going to make a serious run this year anyway?? May as well move some pieces around with an eye to the future…

by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Dec 3, 2010 11:26 PM EST reply actions  

let's be honest,

he had 1 great year but as I pointed out, he’s in his walk year…. we already have the uncertainty of Reyes in his walk year who may really walk… I wouldn’t be in favor of dealing a real asset (Pelf) for another player who could walk after 1 season.

by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Dec 4, 2010 7:31 AM EST up reply actions  

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… I wouldn’t be in favor of dealing a real asset (Pelf) for another player who could walk after 1 season

Meh, Pelf is a #3 and even if Weeks walks we should get some type of compensation. Plus, we’re a big-market club; we can throw money at him if we like him.

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by Ogre39666 on Dec 4, 2010 11:42 AM EST up reply actions  

he's had way way more than one good year

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by Gina on Dec 4, 2010 12:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Not really

He’s had one season over 2 War according to baseball reference. He’s got a career .429 slugging pct., and his OBP doesn’t really make up for his low average. He’s not a franchise guy at all. He’s a solid 2b, not much more than that.

by David G on Dec 4, 2010 2:44 PM EST up reply actions  

according to fangraphs he's had 3. And most of his early struggles

came from two freak wrist injuries that sapped his ability to hit for power and took a while to heal.

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by Gina on Dec 4, 2010 2:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Hmm, that's a big discrepancy between Fangraphs and BR

Baseball reference only has his second highest season at 1.7. A lot of his value seems tied up in his defensive numbers.

by David G on Dec 4, 2010 2:52 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah fangraphs has him in the negatives basically every year fielding

so that’s not where the difference is coming from. If anything removing them would raise his value by fangraphs.

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by Gina on Dec 4, 2010 5:01 PM EST up reply actions  

the difference is probably because bb ref uses OPS I believe

which doesn’t reweight OBP, wOBA does, and Weeks has always had well above average OBP’s even when he had power struggles.

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by Gina on Dec 4, 2010 5:02 PM EST up reply actions  

and yeah statcorner which doesn't use defensive numbers at all just hitters war

comes up with similar numbers to fangraphs, they use a type of wOBA as well.

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by Gina on Dec 4, 2010 5:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I'm pretty confident in saying fWAR > bWAR

BBref seems to pretty consistently underrate really good players who aren’t “elite”.

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by Ogre39666 on Dec 4, 2010 5:39 PM EST up reply actions  

I said he had 1 "great year"

Sheesh!

and Pelf is certainly an asset with 3 years of control, relatively predictable performance, and reasonable compensation.

by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Dec 4, 2010 10:05 PM EST up reply actions  

I said he'd probably suck, though.

I feel ashamed…

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 4, 2010 12:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Short on cash

I heard the Mets only got bout 5 million max to spend, so they’ll probably not get all tthese. However, i love your idea of trading big pelf away for weeks and cain. Creative but probbaly unrealistic. Keep up the good work dude!

by Wei on Dec 3, 2010 11:58 PM EST reply actions  

The Mets will be giving Reyes/Pelfrey/Dickey/Pagan more than $5 million dollars,

so Alderson will having more than just $5 million dollars max to spend during the offseason.

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 4, 2010 12:08 AM EST up reply actions  

The AAOP's work under the assumption that the 2011 payroll cap will be $150M.

And there’s really no evidence that they won’t have that much to work with either (everything saying else-wise is either hearsay or pure conjuncture).

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by Ogre39666 on Dec 4, 2010 12:27 AM EST up reply actions  

i love that jedi reference!

can you imagine having another knuckleballer in the pen? i think if possible, that would be pretty cool.

by jhMLB on Dec 4, 2010 12:55 AM EST reply actions  

they probably wont be out till like february

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by Gina on Dec 4, 2010 1:07 AM EST up reply actions  

This is surreal.

In this year’s AAOP the Mets have about 25m to spend, and we’re dealing away our most durable starter because he has bad breath. And replacing him with two glass arms. And everyone thinks it’s a great idea.

Is it Pat Misch’s blazing ERA that has the site under its crafty spell?

by Jack Str on Dec 4, 2010 3:52 AM EST reply actions  

I'm not so hot on this one either.

I’m much more of a fan of Keith’s Moustach or Brooklyn Dodger Fan AAOPs.

I hate Gwynn and we’re going high risk/low upside with the pitching.

Balfour is nice, but giving up the first rounder in a deep class for a setup guy is the meh.

We should be trying to trade B prospects for good starting pitching. Try to link up with teams that would be open to that. Not trading pitching for positions we might have covered going forward.

by FrancoTAU on Dec 4, 2010 5:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Why do you hate Gwynn Jr.?

The guys defense is amazing.

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by Ogre39666 on Dec 4, 2010 11:43 AM EST up reply actions  

I just hate all glove/no bat corner outfielders.

Endy aside. Most of them are streakier on defense than previously believed and with limited playing time off the bench there’s too much chance they don’t contribute positively.

by FrancoTAU on Dec 4, 2010 4:49 PM EST up reply actions  

You liked Endy?

Well it’s kinda scary how closely Gwynn Jr. fits the profile of an Endy clone (except with better plate discipline).

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by Ogre39666 on Dec 4, 2010 5:42 PM EST up reply actions  

too bad Tony Jr is more like his uncle Chris than father

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by feslenraster on Dec 4, 2010 5:48 PM EST up reply actions  

And much worse hitting.

He’s nowhere close to peak Endy (06-07).

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by MookieTheCat on Dec 4, 2010 9:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Of coarse he's not close to peak-Endy.

Endy wasn’t close to peak-Endy

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by Ogre39666 on Dec 4, 2010 10:08 PM EST up reply actions  

he's had two seasons

and one with a clearly unlucky babip

by Sam Page on Dec 5, 2010 2:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

I don’t get the logic of dealing away Pelfrey, possibly the best Met-developed pitcher in decades for a transient increase in offense. It seems that everyone is obsessed with dealing away players to “maximize” return. This isnt the stock market people!

The Mets need more Pelfreys, not less. With so few decent pitchers out there and in our pitching-poor farm system, Pelfrey is far more valuable to the Mets than to many other organizations. Especially with Santana out for indefinite time and you don’t even know how effective he’ll be upon his return!

I think the Mets can survive w/out Weeks and Cain, and if they carry out the rest of Sam’s plan, they’ll be in fine shape. The offense looks fine to me. Remember, we’ll have a decent 2B with a Murph/Turner combo anyway. And I think the best course of action (and most likely) will be to gamble on a healthy Beltran for the first half, and deal him away midseason for a decent prospect or two.

by chakrabs on Dec 4, 2010 7:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Johnson, Dickey and Pavano

Man, I wish you had been the GM last year. Hell of a job. Kelly Johnson is especially galling to me. For a position we have suffered at one way or the other for so long (excepting the brilliant play of the Fonz) and have the D backs with half our payroll picking him up for basically what GMJ got from us (or Cora) is really disheartening. With no strings attached yet still under team control and the potential of being more than a one or two year solution or returning a pick or two if Havens/Tejada forced their way up, it really just reinforces how crippling that Castillo contract has been. Here’s to hoping Sandy makes more moves like the one’s you suggested last year.

by t agee on Dec 4, 2010 9:40 AM EST reply actions  

Awesome

When R.A. Dickey was asked Wednesday if he had an opinion on some teammates not going, he said, "I do have thoughts on that. I don’t want to make them public." He said he had not talked to any of the players who did not attend, but noted that he found the experience worthwhile.

"To be able to look a guy in the eye who doesn’t have arms or legs and say, ‘Thank you,’ that’s a big deal," Dickey said. "I take it personally."

by Mookes7 on Dec 4, 2010 10:49 AM EST reply actions  

Bring back Thrilledge

When R.A. Dickey was asked Wednesday if he had an opinion on some teammates not going, he said, "I do have thoughts on that. I don’t want to make them public." He said he had not talked to any of the players who did not attend, but noted that he found the experience worthwhile.

"To be able to look a guy in the eye who doesn’t have arms or legs and say, ‘Thank you,’ that’s a big deal," Dickey said. "I take it personally."

by Mookes7 on Dec 4, 2010 10:57 AM EST reply actions  

Just seems like too much to give up for Weeks and Cain

Why pick up a guy that’s going to hit at the top of the lineup and be among the league leaders in strikeouts? A guy with a career .784 OPS is a franchise player? Even with his D, I disagree with that. If so, there’s tons of franchise players out there.

And if Pelf’s value is high, you have to try and get a young arm back for him, don’t you? And I think you’re giving up on Duda without seeing how could he be.

I like the idea of moving Beltran, but I think you could get more at mid season when the Mets could pick up say 6 mil of the 12 remaining, or something like that. A team in the pennant race might like Beltran for 80-90 games if the price tag is only 5-8 million. Especially if he is playing well.

by David G on Dec 4, 2010 2:40 PM EST reply actions  

In terms of Weeks

My feeling is that the Brewers may just want a touch more in terms of young players. Beltran is good but if the team is missing Weeks and Fielder I’d assume they’re calling it quits for 2011 somewhat and would probably want some more young leverage to make up for that.

Also I don’t much like Rickie Weeks enough to trade a guy like Pelfrey for him. Weeks has always been injured (with wrist injuries, no less, which tend to take a toll on power), and Pelfrey is always healthy and is a solid pitcher.

by METSMETSMETS on Dec 4, 2010 3:51 PM EST reply actions  

They've basically said

that what they want in return for trades is MLB ready starting pitching.

by ol Pete on Dec 4, 2010 4:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Decent ideas, but...

It would be a VERY ballsy move to trade away Pelfrey while the Mets are so starved for starting pitching. He’s the most reliable piece they have heading into 2011, and risk aversion is good. If any starters got hurt, they’d be paper thin.

"It’s like being in love with an alcoholic. It’s like, you constantly defend her, and people are like, ‘Dude, your alcoholic friend is a mess,’ and you’re like, ‘Nah, you don’t know her like I do."- Jim Breuer

by spaceboy761 on Dec 4, 2010 4:14 PM EST reply actions  

Don't trade Beltran!!! He is awesome

Mets fans are so unfair to Carlos, he gets persecuted by the media, we are going to miss him when he is gone, he plays hurt all the time, he is so graceful in the outfield, he helps angel…

When R.A. Dickey was asked Wednesday if he had an opinion on some teammates not going, he said, "I do have thoughts on that. I don’t want to make them public." He said he had not talked to any of the players who did not attend, but noted that he found the experience worthwhile.

"To be able to look a guy in the eye who doesn’t have arms or legs and say, ‘Thank you,’ that’s a big deal," Dickey said. "I take it personally."

by Mookes7 on Dec 4, 2010 4:22 PM EST reply actions  

I hope not.

Thus Spoke Keith Hernandez

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by Thomas Wachtel on Dec 6, 2010 12:30 AM EST up reply actions  

If we had the funds we should take a shot at Webb

2 yr deal and see what happens. But like I said we don’t have the funds to take risks and gambles.

by TheKid08 on Dec 4, 2010 9:58 PM EST reply actions  

you know, sitting in this off season isn't all that bad

as long as LOLie and Slappy are gone for good, that is.

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by feslenraster on Dec 5, 2010 11:13 AM EST reply actions  

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