MLB Winter Meetings: Jayson Werth To Sign With Nationals
by James Kannengieser on Dec 5, 2010 4:53 PM EST
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PrintBearded transient Jayson Werth will sign with the Nationals, according to Ken Rosenthal, Todd Zolecki and some others. Terms have not yet been released. Perhaps the loss of Adam Dunn motivated Nats GM Mike Rizzo to make a move. Maybe Ryan Zimmerman's comments earlier this week played a role as well.
This is a mild surprise but very welcome news. The Red Sox and Tigers were reportedly targeting Werth but there was no recent mention of the Nats' interest. The Phillies just got weaker. Chase Utley's wife could not be reached for comment.
Update: The deal is 7 years, $126 million, per Rosenthal. That's $18 million a year. No word if GM Rizzo knows Werth is 31 years-old. This is the same deal Barry Zito signed with the Giants a few years back.
Update 2: Here is video of Carl Crawford and his agent Greg Genske, upon hearing the Werth news (via @DonCheech):
Update 3: It looks like GM Rizzo took former Nats President Stan Kasten's Winter Meetings advice to heart:
"Go hang in the bars until 10, 11, 12, 1, 2, picking up whatever you can."
After four hours at the bar, $126 million looks like Monopoly money.
Update 4: Chris Needham of Nats blog Capitol Punishment used his advanced technology to project what Werth will look like in seven years. Click here for the result.
Update 5: Sandy Alderson's got jokes:
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The deal is for seven years
For a guy who’s 31 years old
I think this tops the Bay contract in terribleness
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2011 Mets- Rock bottom: We haven't reached it yet
7 years, $126 million is the deal
Wow, just wow
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2011 Mets- Rock bottom: We haven't reached it yet
Wait what?
This can’t be right. Can it?
I think we might have another entrant in The Contest.
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by MookieTheCat on Dec 5, 2010 5:02 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Omar get a new job?
I didn’t know Omar took the Nationals gig? That contract has Omar written all over it.
- Too many years
- Too much money
- Didn’t bother reading the home/away breakdown
To put this into perspective.
From MLB Trade Rumors.
The Nationals signed the free agent outfielder to a seven-year, $126MM deal. In case any doubt remained, this deal shows that it’s a good time to be a free agent. Werth turned three productive seasons into the third biggest deal a free agent outfielder has ever signed.
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Wow, just wow.
$126 million? This is INSANE!
by ScottfromPeekskill on Dec 5, 2010 9:43 PM EST up reply actions
But...
Exactly the opposite type of insane.
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by MookieTheCat on Dec 5, 2010 10:02 PM EST up reply actions
Seems as if he's put himself into a position of being forgotten about by everyone for the next some odd years.
Proud supporter of a New York baseball team and a Boston football team. Yeah, deal with it!
The last 2 years at least on that contract are going to be rough.
It’s like GMs haven’t realized guys aren’t taking steroids anymore and won’t be good past 35 anymore.
Exactly. Who Is Giving 31 yo 7 yr Contracts Anymore?
Players are starting their more natural declines in their mid-30s. No more Andres Gallaraga’s hitting close to 40HRs at 38-39 or Barry Bonds belting 73 HRs at 37.
Makes the Bay contract look a little better.
wow
looking at gallaraga’s power, it is ridiculous how clearly that guy was on roids
I like Ike, I hate Jerry
He also moved to Coors later in his career.
So it was a double boost if he was juicing.
Coors Field
The HGH of ballparks. Congress should investigate every player who ever played there.
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by MookieTheCat on Dec 5, 2010 10:09 PM EST up reply actions
It's a bad deal but
I’d rather have Werth for that amount than have Crawford for that amount. Just think…Crawford says he wants 8 years!!!
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a lot of Crawford's value is tied up in his legs
wouldn’t want either of them for that length, but Werth seems the type of guy who will stay valuable longer than Crawford
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yeah Werth is kind of the perfect blend of player
he’s athletic enough that he’s probably not going to turn into a DH in 2-3 years, but a lot of his skills aren’t likely to decline heavily with age.
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Not all that much of a difference there.
If Crawford was 27, okay I’ll give you that. But 2 years isn’t that huge, especially if Crawford does manage to get 8 years.
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by Steve Schreiber on Dec 5, 2010 5:32 PM EST up reply actions
I did not think there was a chance Crawford would get 8 years
but now he might. Still better than this deal as I don’t think his speed goes nearly as quickly as some of you all have said. This Werth deal is now worse than Bay and Vernon Wells. worst of deal in my memory.
Crawford must be hanging from the ceiling right now!
“The 8 year deal is out of the window and he is now asking 680 mil over 34years. The Nationals are considering it.”
by ScottfromPeekskill on Dec 5, 2010 9:46 PM EST up reply actions
Hmm 20 million per year for 34 years.
Well, I guess it won’t really matter after we’re all obliterated on December 21, 2012 so they might as well go for it.
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by Steve Schreiber on Dec 5, 2010 9:50 PM EST up reply actions
wait hold on let me do this again
bahahahahahaha
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Interesting.
Nats payrolls over the past 3 years: $61,425,000 $60,328,000 $54,961,000
So this deal is worth more than their entire payroll the past 2 years. Does this signify that the Nats have had a change in organizational philosophy? I sure hope not. I like having at least one perennially worse than us team in our division.
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Don't worry...
with the way the Marlins are dealing away good players for shit, they’ll likely be worse than us too.
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by Steve Schreiber on Dec 5, 2010 5:10 PM EST up reply actions
the organizational philosophy of paying for players?
they tried the same thing with Teixeira last year, but he turned them down
Kinda, but no.
The willingness to pay a lot over the long term for players (the ridiculous nature of this deal notwithstanding). Dunn only had a two-year deal, his deal was far larger than any other player on the team, and they were outbid on Texiera. I wonder whether with Dunn bailing they began to look for ways to build around a core of stars, starting with Werth (once again ignoring that this deal is ridiculous).
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eh from what I understand they didn't want to extend Dunn?
So he didn’t really bail, it seems more like a conscious decision. Most teams didn’t want to give long-term deals to Dunn, I imagine if other options similar to tex had been available they would have made big offers to them before Dunn.
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Also they didn't get outbid for Tex, he didn't want to go there
apparently the Nats offered 190 million?
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Yep
According to the Nats, this is intended to signal a change in organizational philosophy.
http://www.sbnation.com/mlb/2010/12/5/1857244/jayson-werth-contract-nationals-rizzo
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The philosophy is to let the inmates run the asylum?
by ScottfromPeekskill on Dec 5, 2010 9:48 PM EST up reply actions
It's kind of the end of the NL East Tale of Two Cities.
With the Mets and Phils willing to spend, and the Fish and the Nats not. Now three are willing to spend. It does not bode well for us beyond 2013.
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by MookieTheCat on Dec 5, 2010 10:03 PM EST up reply actions
There's Spending Well and Spending Badly
This is spending badly which is what the Mets have done for the last 3+ yrs. I’d bet heavy money this will end up hamstringing the Nats down the road as Werth will not be a very good player but they will still be paying him.
For or better or worse, there is only one Yankees who can afford to dole out these types of contracts.
My hope is that by 2013 the Mets will be on the way to having a strong farm system which will mean they won’t have to overpay for free agents.
this isn't really spending badly, they can afford it
its spending badly to spend 18 million on a guy like Werth if you only have 20 million to spend and huge holes. They have tens of million to spend and only a few major holes they want to fill. They’ve only added 6 million to their payroll.
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I guess the stance most of us are looking at it from.
It’s one thing if you’re a team just on the cusp of being a playoff contender and you go out and overpay some FAs.
It’s another thing to be a sub 500 team who lost their top pitcher for the year and splooging. Werth and Pavano aren’t going to make this team better than the Braves and Phils. By the time their prospects start to make them a good team, Pavano will stink and Werth will probably be a league average producer.
...Splooging?
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by Steve Schreiber on Dec 5, 2010 10:21 PM EST up reply actions
It sure is
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by MookieTheCat on Dec 5, 2010 10:22 PM EST up reply actions
haha did a quick google search.
I definitely thought it was a made up word or a mistake on your part. According to urban dictionary, it is certainly a word. Thanks for the…uhhh…vocab lesson.
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by Steve Schreiber on Dec 5, 2010 10:24 PM EST up reply actions
This guy approves.
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by MookieTheCat on Dec 5, 2010 10:27 PM EST up reply actions
they don't need to be better than the braves and phillies
they need to be competitive in September and hover around .500. It’s not just about winning it’s about tapping into their market potential and attracting fans. They’re in one of the biggest markets in the country but people aren’t going to come if they’re winning 60 games a year. Like I said they’ve only added 6 million to their payroll and they could easily add enough players to get to around 80 wins without significantly increasing their payroll anymore. And if they win 80 games BEFORE strasburg comes back think about what that’s going to do to their marketability in for next season. To be able to sell to fans a .500 team with a prodigy pitcher coming back and big names in their farm system.
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based on what is it not a baseball town?
and the market in general is a major population condensed into a small area, they don’t have to be a baseball town there’s enough fans in the MD,VA area. It’s why the Orioles were a big market team in the 90s.
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Orioles Have A Different Base
If memory serves me correctly, only about 25% of their fans come from the DC area, mostly the Maryland suburbs. Baltimore is a long way from Northern VA (I used to live there). The bulk of their fans are from the Baltimore area.
And it was Camden Yards that made them a large market team in terms of revenue. Now that they suck and can’t draw people to that great ballpark they no longer have that kind of revenue.
The DC Metro area...
Including northern VA suburbs and a good chunk of MD, has about 8.5 million people, give or take. A lot of them are from elsewhere, due to the federal presence, and those who are local fans are split with the O’s. Assuming an even split with the O’s, which makes sense given that their attendance over the last 3 years was about even (the Nats have an an average attendance about 100,000 more than the O’s per year over the last 3) it puts them right in the middle, about #16 in the list of all MLB home fanbases. While this does not account for areas beyond the main metro area, no team’s population figure really does that (i.e. St. Louis is popular in Arkansas due to proximity to MO, etc.), the DC/Baltimore area is the smallest metro area with two teams. Chicago is not much bigger, but has a larger draw area in Illinois and other midwestern states, as well as the residual Cubs fanbase from when WGN carried them all over the country before cable allowed for national sports broadcasts outside of network broadcasts. I think the estimate I’ve seen of the #6 market overstates it because it does not account for the split with the O’s. Still, it’s much larger than home markets for teams like the Brewers, Indians, and Cincinnati (assuming you don’t count all of Wisconsin, or split Ohio between the other two). The point is that pretty much in the middle of the pack.
This spreadsheet I put together once with payroll, attendance, wins, population figures and all sorts of other fun facts keeps paying dividends.
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by MookieTheCat on Dec 5, 2010 11:18 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
yeah but does your spread sheet take into account
the wealth distribution, number of companies and value of box seats? because that’s where most sports companies make huge amounts of money. From what I understand part of the reason the redskins are so valuable is because politicians regularly pay major sums to buy box seats to use.
Also, according to this book at least, t’s fourth in number of companies with more than 100 employees (this book is like 5 years old though), corporations being another major purchaser of box seats. They also have one of the highest median family incomes but I have no idea how that would affect market value
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also just as information
part of north carolina is considered part of the nats territory too, I know because I’m always blacked out.
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The MLB TV coverage map
Is bizarre. I can’t find it now, but when you take a close look it’s just straight up weird.
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by MookieTheCat on Dec 5, 2010 11:39 PM EST up reply actions
here's one
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What the hell is going on in
Iowa? A state-wide gay pride parade?
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 5, 2010 11:50 PM EST up reply actions
LOL yeah people in Iowa get
hella screwed, I know on a fangraphs article they were talking about being blacked out for up to 5 times at a time. I think the same thing happens in some of the western states like colorado too.
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This is strange.
i know that a lot of people in the Rochester/Buffalo area have a strong following for the Blue Jays yet this map doesn’t even show Toronto.
by ScottfromPeekskill on Dec 6, 2010 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
It's a legal map, not an actual fanbase map
It’s based on US television rights more than anything else. While I’m no expert on broadcast rights I have to imagine that they stop, unlike fanbases or airwaves, at national borders due to contract matters. I remember from when I lived near the border that you can get Canandian TV over the air, but these maps were not drawn based on that, but rather are agreements between MLB, the various teams, and the broadcasters to keep from stepping on each other’s toes (and arguably to maximize advertising revenue). My guess is that there’s a separate agreement with the Blue Jays given their location.
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nope they extend to canada
Comparing Cam Newton to other Heisman candidates is like watching the end of Jurassic Park. Sure the velociraptors had been running around causing trouble all movie, but at the end the T-Rex just comes stomping through the wall and annihilates them.- TIP
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the broadcasts rights I mean
I know toronto and minnesota and another team way up there share rights in canada.
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Doesn't look that way to me.
Toronto has national coverage in Canada subject to—of course—hockey blackouts. Minnesota’s regional network only covers Minnesota, northern Iowa, Wisconsin, upper Michigan and the eastern Dakotas. It looks like the Twins homegrown broadcast network (modeled on YES) might have tried to reach Canada before it was folded a few years ago because they couldn’t reach deals with cable and satellite providers in MN and the Dakotas, but now there’s no broadcast deal in Canada as far as I can tell. Seattle is covered in western Canada, but it’s on Rogers, which also has Blue Jays rights. It’s a lot easier to work out a deal for dual broadcasts if the same company owns the rights to both.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_League_Baseball_on_regional_sports_networks
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box seats
it’s not politicians who buy the seats, it’s lobbyists. And, unfortunately for the Nats, about 6 months before the new stadium opened, Congress instituted new ethics rules that dramatically lowered the price of “gifts” Congressmen and staffers are allowed to accept. The Nats were banking on lobbyists snapping up all the most expensive seats, but with those new rules in place, not many actually did, b/c they wouldn’t be able to use them to woo politicians.
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by cjmulrain on Dec 5, 2010 11:35 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Ah good point
I was wondering about this as I typed the thing below mentioning lobbyists. Having worked at a few law firms with DC offices, I think most of the clients are elsewhere, and the DC office usually lobbies for non-local clients with their DC presence. With no one to woo, it’s something of an empty industry sports-wise.
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by MookieTheCat on Dec 5, 2010 11:39 PM EST up reply actions
yea, as a Congressional staffer it sucks
My old boss used to have KILLER seats at Nationals Park (4 rows behind the Nats dugout), and he always used to give me tix when the Mets would come to town. Unfortunately, he left a few months ago to take a job with a lobbying firm, and now I’d be committing an ethics violation and could get fired if I took his tickets.
At least the Nats still suck and I can usually sneak down to the box seats by the 3rd inning or so.
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I Am A Former Staffer
so I feel your pain. That totally sucks.
I was the guy who couldn't give you tickets
I took the clients to Mets games (and sadly, Yankees games) in NY and gave the regulatory stuff to the guys in DC who couldn’t do that.
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by MookieTheCat on Dec 5, 2010 11:55 PM EST up reply actions
I'm surprised you're not completely focused on the Steelers comeback now.
But in any event, I think you make a good point. Just with the lobbyist base in DC there should be a huge market for overpriced boxes, even ignoring corporations. Higher median family incomes would also affect value, but one thing to keep in mind is that a lot of the higher income folks in the DC area are not local. The crux to me is that folks who buy boxes and the like are usually interested in seeing winners as they are not local. Whereas the Cardinals, as an example, have a smaller metro area than DC (even when halved, there’s about a million more fans in the Nats fanbase), it’s much more of a city with a baseball history and their attendance is about double the Nats over the past 3 years. Whereas football is much more of an event due to the limited number of home games, and tickets/boxes are more valuable, I think baseball teams need a constant flow. Boxes give guaranteed income, but gate entry is far more of a big deal due to numbers (especially nowadays when many companies are giving up boxes).
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by MookieTheCat on Dec 5, 2010 11:37 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Well I don't think many individual people
buy boxes in general, I think it’s mostly corporations. As far as the Cardinals isn’t that kind of the point though? How are the nats going to attract fans if they don’t start building baseball history? And I don’t mean build a market to the point they’re a top 5 revenue team. I mean build a market to the point they’re hovering around the top 3rd, that would be a huge jump from where they are.
Also I haven’t even been watching the steelers, once Big Ben broke his nose I changed to a Harry Potter marathon.
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They won
In amazing style.
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by MookieTheCat on Dec 5, 2010 11:45 PM EST up reply actions
meh thats how the steelers win most of
their games, either furious late come backs, or with standing furious late come backs. Nothing’s ever easy. I literally can barely even watch them anymore, I get too emotionally involved.
Comparing Cam Newton to other Heisman candidates is like watching the end of Jurassic Park. Sure the velociraptors had been running around causing trouble all movie, but at the end the T-Rex just comes stomping through the wall and annihilates them.- TIP
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Santonio Holmes: you don't need open field moves when you've got getting away from the cops speed.
Completely lucky fumble with 3:40 remaining
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by MookieTheCat on Dec 5, 2010 11:56 PM EST up reply actions
One thing to keep in mind
there’s no team between Washington DC and Atlanta. The Orioles base (pre-Nationals) basically stretched from northern Maryland (and some parts of lower Delaware) to Virginia. The Nationals have sorta cut Virginia off from the O’s. Obviously, some older people down there are still O’s fans, but their kids are gonna grow up Nats fans, b/c the Nats are much easier to see. The area that the O’s can realistically attract is FAR smaller than the area the Nationals can attract, especially when you factor in that while they partially share a metro area, DC is actually a much bigger part of that Metro area – the DC suburbs are MUCH bigger than the Baltimore suburbs, and are also a lot wealthier. DC also has better public transportation. It’s not like we’re talking about the Mets and the Yankees, DC and Baltimore are two distinct cities that just happen to be fairly close to one another.
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yeah thats what I meant to say when I brought up
NC, then I got distracted, outside of the mountain area/really really country parts most of North Carolina is pretty unaffiliated.
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Exactly
Statistically it is considered one area but they are two completely different cities with different cultures. And getting to Baltimore from Northern VA is a 1.5 hour trip while going to see a Nats game is probably half that. And depending on where you live you don’t even have to drive.
Peter Angelos is a moron when it comes to running the Os but there was a good business reason he fought having the Nats so hard.
It's also why the Redskins are such a different example
Even with the presence of the Ravens, they have an old fanbase and a lot of folks who are willing to drive hours for games. Baseball games are much less events and much more something you go to after work for an evening out.
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by MookieTheCat on Dec 5, 2010 11:51 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Baltimore Fans Never Rooted For the Skins
when I lived there. They just pined for the Colts until they stole the Ravens from Cleveland.
Right
But folks in VA, MD, or apparently NC (I learned something today) would make the long drive for a football game, but likely not for a baseball game.
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by MookieTheCat on Dec 5, 2010 11:57 PM EST up reply actions
is it really that long of a drive?
We drive like 100 miles to Braves games from where I live in go’ga all the time, and like 160-170 from asheville to braves games. Is it that much further from MD/Virgnia to washington?
Hell my cousin and I drive 200 miles to Asheville nearly every other weekend and there’s nothing fun there.
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as someone who grew up 12 miles from Shea Stadium
and used to bitch b/c it was “so far,” yes, that IS a long drive…
2009 Did Not Happen
yeah but you grew up 12 miles from Shea
not everyone grew up in major cities. Where I live I have to drive 2 miles out of m neighborhood to get to any kind of civilization. I hate driving but 100-200 miles doesn’t seem like that big of a deal for me, obviously not to go to every game but going a weekend or two a month would be easy, and I’m decidedly lazier than most of my friends.
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It's more of a southern thing
My parents from NYC hate to drive more than a few hours for anything, but my wife’s family from TN will easily drive 15 hours at a stretch to do something. I think this is evidenced in SEC parking lots, which are full of RVs and cars that came from really far away for games. From what I can tell the rest of the country is somewhere in the middle, but in metro areas and suburbs folks are far less likely to travel for things.
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by MookieTheCat on Dec 6, 2010 12:20 AM EST up reply actions
Your family seems to be somewhat unique in its fandom
This is a good thing, but not really a good example by which to base a business plan.
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by MookieTheCat on Dec 6, 2010 12:17 AM EST up reply actions
wait what
my point was more that it wouldn’t be that odd for people from parts of virginia/nc, which is the south, to make the trip.
Comparing Cam Newton to other Heisman candidates is like watching the end of Jurassic Park. Sure the velociraptors had been running around causing trouble all movie, but at the end the T-Rex just comes stomping through the wall and annihilates them.- TIP
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Santonio Holmes: you don't need open field moves when you've got getting away from the cops speed.
Y'all seem pretty intense in your fandom
Not many folks I knew in the south would head to Atlanta (about a 6 hour drive) for a game, much less someplace further than that. The south is football country, not baseball.
It's a triumph of number crunching over the human spirit...aaaaaand, it’s about time. -- Play-by-Play Announcer, The Simpsons.
by MookieTheCat on Dec 6, 2010 12:52 AM EST up reply actions
6 hours?
wait what. where did you get 6 hours. I’m talking about 2-3 max.
Comparing Cam Newton to other Heisman candidates is like watching the end of Jurassic Park. Sure the velociraptors had been running around causing trouble all movie, but at the end the T-Rex just comes stomping through the wall and annihilates them.- TIP
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Santonio Holmes: you don't need open field moves when you've got getting away from the cops speed.
You ever drive from DC into VA?
You can’t get very far in 2-3 hours.
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by MookieTheCat on Dec 6, 2010 12:54 AM EST up reply actions
they are such hypocrites about that
they still bitch out Irsay while calling Art Modell a hero.
2009 Did Not Happen
by cjmulrain on Dec 6, 2010 12:03 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Thus my issue with using population estimates like I've been forced to
It’s really the thing that kept me from reducing that spreadsheet to a FanPost, notwithstanding that Forbes uses the figures that I rejected. If you look closer there are these problems all over the place. Connecticut is one instance. Oklahoma and most of the mountain west is another (where does the Twins territory end and the Rockies begin). The influence of WGN and TBS is another quirk, as the Braves and Cubs have far-flung fanbases. And don’t even get me started on Ohio, Indiana, and Kentucky. It’s the UZR of demographics.
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by MookieTheCat on Dec 5, 2010 11:49 PM EST up reply actions
They've had 2 failed teams there in the past with the Senators
and the Nats haven’t drew much even with a new stadium. Some cities are big football town, some are big baseball towns, some support all 4 sports. Florida has had plenty of winning teams and all they care about still is college football.
It's Not That DC Isn't A Baseball Town
It’s that a substantial chunk of the people are from somewhere else so they bring those team alliances with them.
like me
I go to a lot of Nats games, and I’d like them to be better, but I’m never gonna be a Nats fan, and I’ll sacrifice my unborn child before he roots for a team other than the Mets.
2009 Did Not Happen
yeah but I don't think they care if you like them
as long as you pay for tickets, parking and food.
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Hah
So true. But the repeat player problem is the key. Anyone can go to one game, but once you get kids excited you have fans for life. These are the people who will spend money for literally decades, no matter if they live next to the stadium or relatively far away.
It's a triumph of number crunching over the human spirit...aaaaaand, it’s about time. -- Play-by-Play Announcer, The Simpsons.
by MookieTheCat on Dec 5, 2010 11:52 PM EST up reply actions
yeah but if you're a fan of sports and live in DC
and have no other options and the Nats are good why wouldn’t you go? Just for example we’ve moved like 5 or 6 times and everywhere we’ve moved to we’ve always regularly gone to the games of whatever the “local” proffesional teams are, because we’re sports people. Wouldn’t they expect most sports fans to do that, not like buy season tickets but go to a few games a year? Especially if they actually start to compete.
Comparing Cam Newton to other Heisman candidates is like watching the end of Jurassic Park. Sure the velociraptors had been running around causing trouble all movie, but at the end the T-Rex just comes stomping through the wall and annihilates them.- TIP
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Santonio Holmes: you don't need open field moves when you've got getting away from the cops speed.
Ever been to Miami?
Like DC, it has tons of folks from elsewhere. And a ton of empty seats.
It's a triumph of number crunching over the human spirit...aaaaaand, it’s about time. -- Play-by-Play Announcer, The Simpsons.
by MookieTheCat on Dec 5, 2010 11:58 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, but just from the parts of Miami I've been too
it’s largely immigrant populations that don’t have interest in American sports in general.
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Santonio Holmes: you don't need open field moves when you've got getting away from the cops speed.
also
it’s Miami. Why go to a sporting event when you can go to a beach and look at the women (or men) of Miami
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 6, 2010 12:15 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah have fun with that
80 year old Bertha Rosenberg is not such a catch up close. Most beaches are not exactly what you see on Miami Vice.
It's a triumph of number crunching over the human spirit...aaaaaand, it’s about time. -- Play-by-Play Announcer, The Simpsons.
by MookieTheCat on Dec 6, 2010 12:22 AM EST up reply actions
There are TONS
Os sports fans in Miami, but many are from the NE (Miami is a secondary market for football Giants games, oddly). There are fans of other teams from all over the country here. And yet no one goes to Marlins games.
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by MookieTheCat on Dec 6, 2010 12:22 AM EST up reply actions
Miami is a HUGE baseball town, but...
I’m half Cuban and have a lot of family in the Miami area who all love baseball, but rarely go to games because:
1) Most of them are Yankees fans. Local TV in Miami carried Yankee broadcasts from WPIX for years before the Marlins existed. The Yanks trained in nearby Fort Lauderdale for a long time. Plus, as much as we might hate them, the Yankees are the most recognizable franchise in Amercian sports.
2) Have you ever tried to sit outside in Miami for three hours in the middle of the summer? The humidity is unbearable, even at night. There’s a 50% chance of rain every single day. The traffic is brutal – worse than NYC with few alternatives to get to the ballpark. Imagine the most oppressive midsummer night in New York and repeat that every day for three months. People in Miami don’t want to deal with the hassle of traffic, parking and crummy weather in order to watch a bad team.
3) Ownership. The Marlins won 2 World Series, but have not made the playoffs in any other season but those two. They’ve dismantled the team and rebuilt on multiple occasions. People don’t believe in the product.
I think in the cases of both Miami and DC, if you build a winner (and in Florida’s case, a dome), people will come to the games.
by xnumberoneson on Dec 6, 2010 11:46 AM EST up reply actions
Marlins Ballpark
How do you think that the new retractable dome stadium will impact the Marlins’ attendance?
"The Mets are gonna be amazing" - Casey Stengel
It'll be a good thing
I’m not sure if connecting it to an aquarium is a good idea though. Then again, if I had kids a morning at the aquarium and an afternoon at a ballgame without driving between them seems like a really nice idea.
It's a triumph of number crunching over the human spirit...aaaaaand, it’s about time. -- Play-by-Play Announcer, The Simpsons.
It will help a lot
But ultimately it will be the team that makes the new stadium a success beyond the first year.
by xnumberoneson on Dec 6, 2010 9:56 PM EST up reply actions
I Lived In DC For 13 Years
The problem the Nats are always going to have is there are too many transients in the area who come for 5 yrs and root for their own team first.
I left in 2000 so we only had the Orioles and they were actually pretty good then. However, for most of us there were the teams we grew up rooting for, in my case the Mets, and then there were the Os.
The Nats have the same problem. A really good team will change that but I doubt a .500 one will. Could be wrong but my sister and her family are still in DC and I don’t sense it has changed much in the past decade.
if that's a problem why don't the redskins have it?
or every other major city thats made up largely of transients, like LA, or Philly? Not to mention the value isn’t just in average fans, it’s not even mostly in average fans, a huge factor is in box seats, that’s where most teams make their money when it comes to ticket sales. And there’s a pretty massive market to tap into their with the number of politicians. I know in an economics of sports book I read a few years ago they talked about that being the reason the Redskins were really the most valuable franchise to own,
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A Few Things
DC is a far more transient town than most cities b/c it revolves around politics. There are a far larger percentage of people who come for 2, 3, 5 yrs to work in govt to implement the party in power policies and leave when that party is out. The joke is everyone is from somewhere else. There are literally societies for all 50 states where people can get together and reconnect with people from their home states. It is like being an ex-pat in the US.
I have lived in both NY and Portland, Oregon and am aware of nothing like this in either place.
For people who are DC natives, the Redskins are an institution. They have been around since the 1920 or 1930s and they have won numerous Super Bowls. However, my guess is the poor run under Dan Snyder has hurt their reputation and attendance.
A big chunk of the Redskins worth is due to the fact they own FedEx field lock, stock and barrell. It was started b/f Jack Kent Cooke, their long time billionaire owner, died and he self financed the whole thing. I am pretty sure there was no debt on the stadium when his estate sold the team. That’s a far cry from the Jets or Giants who have to pay rent on their new stadium and I am sure also have to share some of the concession money with NJ as well.
Also, the Redskins only have to hold their fans attention for 8 games a year instead of 81 a year. Football season in DC is beautiful while baseball season is down right nasty – hot and oppressively humid.
And for whatever reason, no team – not the Wizards, not the Capitals can captivate the city like the Redskins when they are going well. I have no idea why but it is what it is.
This
I lived in DC for 4 years and the Redskins obsession by the natives is pretty intense.
by James Kannengieser on Dec 5, 2010 11:29 PM EST up reply actions
I Came To Hate The Redskins
I was there in the first Joe Gibbs era and had no opinion b/f I arrived since I am a Jets fan.
The minute they started with Hail to the Redskins at the beginning of training camp I was ready to puke.
it's not just DC
most of north carolina is redskins territory. Most of my family are skins fans.
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when were you here?
b/c, to be honest, it hasn’t been nearly as bad as I expected when I came down here. I think they’ve been as beat down by the Snyder era as we’ve been by the Wilpon era. At this point, the Capitals are the hottest ticket in town.
As much as I hate Philly, they were way more intense about the Eagles than people down here are about the Skins (of course I lived near Philly during their 4-straight NFC Championship game streak)
2009 Did Not Happen
This Is A Terrible Signing
It’s too many years and too much money for a player with 3 good to very good (but not great) years under his belt.
Werth home/away splits show a substantial drop in production away from CBP. Nationals Park is a much bigger place than CBP so Werth is likely to lose some power numbers.
Organizations that don’t take into account the length of the contract and the age of the player at the end of the contract end up exactly where the Mets are today. It may only be $6 million extra today but the Nats have figure their payroll around it for 7 yrs. They might be completely hamstrung by it in 2015 exactly the time that Werth will probably be declining in production.
And to the point of another poster, “splooging” on a good to very good player is generally stupid but especially when you are probably not contending for a few yrs.
The final kicker is that Scott Boras didn’t even take the Nats offer to the Red Sox or Tigers for a counter offer probably b/c he knew they’d laugh him out of the room.
Can we all agree to drop the word "splooging"?
The word is splurging. Splooging is something very different indeed.
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by MookieTheCat on Dec 5, 2010 11:21 PM EST up reply actions
Crap
Now I have Men Without Hats in my head. But I have to make up lyrics to match the chorus. It ain’t a pretty song. The “Leave your friends behind” line is particularly gross.
It's a triumph of number crunching over the human spirit...aaaaaand, it’s about time. -- Play-by-Play Announcer, The Simpsons.
by MookieTheCat on Dec 6, 2010 12:53 AM EST up reply actions
I agree
But I think of it as kind of keeping up with the Joneses. The Mets have clearly spent badly the past few years, and while the Phils spent well in the short run, I don’t think that their spending habits will serve them well for more than the next couple of years. The Nats have a lot more wiggle room to spend badly right now, so long as they do some good stuff in the future. This is one bad deal, maybe. Even assuming it’s a bad deal, as I think it is, as Gina points out they have a lot of room to absorb a bad deal or two. They’re an NL East team with a fairly large home area (assuming you include VA and some MD), who have acted like the Expos until now. I think this deal will be a pain in the ass going forward, but if they do things like this next offseason it’ll be a problem for us.
It's a triumph of number crunching over the human spirit...aaaaaand, it’s about time. -- Play-by-Play Announcer, The Simpsons.
by MookieTheCat on Dec 5, 2010 10:17 PM EST up reply actions
and if they can tap into their market it becomes a
major problem for us. Since it will further erode our financial advantage over our division opponents.
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also i know you were wondering about market estimates
I’m pretty sure forbes has estimates on their business of baseball pages, I have no idea how they come up with them though.
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I read it.
It goes by the metro area figures that are out there and that I used. It’s probably part of the reason why they value Milwaukee fans so much, as Wisconsin tends to stick to Wisconsin (Green Bay is popular in Milwaukee). While Milwaukee only has about 1.5 million people, the population of the state is closer to 6 million.
Thanks though. I have to imagine that teams do this analysis on their own, but that stuff is probably kept hidden.
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by MookieTheCat on Dec 5, 2010 11:26 PM EST up reply actions
Remember they've got some solid talent percolating in their system too
If Bryce, Stras, and Zimmermann pan out, they should be fine.
yeah and this move is less about 2011
and more about 2012-2014
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Santonio Holmes: you don't need open field moves when you've got getting away from the cops speed.
they've been trying to spend more
they made a huge offer to Tex too and it was turned down.
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Santonio Holmes: you don't need open field moves when you've got getting away from the cops speed.
This sounds like Omar found a new job
and no one bothered to tell us.
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So now the Phillies outfield is
Werthless! Haha. Get it?
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by Jsz on Dec 5, 2010 5:20 PM EST reply actions 9 recs
You gets it.
It's a triumph of number crunching over the human spirit...aaaaaand, it’s about time. -- Play-by-Play Announcer, The Simpsons.
I can't believe this has gotten five rec's
And Sandy is cracking more jokes than me. Although no puns…
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by Jsz on Dec 5, 2010 8:47 PM EST up reply actions
Nats’ front office is stupid.
Morgan: Do you think I could come into the clubhouse after the game and display my ass for both those veterans and the younger guys?
Baker: Well, Joe, you are on the payroll of the team, and you're a legend, so I suppose — holy shit!
[Joe has appeared next to Dusty, in the dugout, completely naked]
Morgan: Hey.
Glad to see the Nats screwing themselves
They’ve got 4 or 5 young really talented players, and then they spend $126/7 for a 31 year old outfielder.
Why not resign Dunn?
Formerly firejerrynow
wow, how unbelievably stupid
That contract will be a disaster by year 4 the latest.
"It’s just everytime we think the bar can’t get lower, they lower it. Now next year we’ll just be happy to hear that rogue shirtless officials aren’t implementing useless detrimental drills in spring training for no apparent reason."
-Gina, 3/1/10
Completely Agree
Not sure Mike Rizzo got the memo but its 2010, not 2000, and they test for PEDs. Notice that HRs are down substantially and most players in their late 30s now play like they are in their late 30s.
Yeah...
I think Fangraphs etc may have to re-evaluate their linear model for players getting worse into older age. Their formula might work from 30-34/35, but when you get to 37 forget it, unless you are a freak of nature.
It's a triumph of number crunching over the human spirit...aaaaaand, it’s about time. -- Play-by-Play Announcer, The Simpsons.
by MookieTheCat on Dec 5, 2010 10:18 PM EST up reply actions
yeah but if they get decent production in the first 4-5 years does it really matter
what happens in year 6 and 7 as long as they’re smart? I mean would we care about Beltran’s deal if it wasn’t for deals like Castillo, Perez, K-rod (Bay, Cora, etc etc etc)
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Santonio Holmes: you don't need open field moves when you've got getting away from the cops speed.
True
If he overperforms in his first few years it could absorb the last couple, except if the team is finally given a crack at doing something then, and he’s dragging them down.
It's a triumph of number crunching over the human spirit...aaaaaand, it’s about time. -- Play-by-Play Announcer, The Simpsons.
by MookieTheCat on Dec 5, 2010 11:26 PM EST up reply actions
is he really dragging them down if they're plan is too rely on young players
for example Barry Zito and Aaron Rowand make about 32 million combined to do nothing but haven’t really hampered the Giants the last two years.
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Santonio Holmes: you don't need open field moves when you've got getting away from the cops speed.
What the shit?
Did Werth’s agent slip Rizzo a mickey or something?
"The lesson behind Moneyball is that if you are clever in your use of resources, you can gain power beyond your station. It is not, never has been, and never will be, that 'computer models' should take over the world." - Graham
Apparently Werth's agent is George Costanza.
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by Steve Schreiber on Dec 5, 2010 5:47 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
all I can say is : HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
oh my good lord, this is such a crappy signing, I don’t even know where to begin.
"Fantasy, reality, science Fiction. Which is which? Who can tell?"
by the way, plus +10 James on using the Perfect Strangers'
“Dance of Joy” I loved that show as a kid
"Fantasy, reality, science Fiction. Which is which? Who can tell?"
This makes me sad
The Nationals being run into the ground by idiots is bad for baseball. I can’t take pleasure in this idiocy the way I would if the Yankees, or another team that could afford to, wasting that much money. This is going to hurt that franchise for a long time.
What a bunch of morons for doing that.
Proud supporter of a New York baseball team and a Boston football team. Yeah, deal with it!
Well this works out as poorly for the Phillies as possible
Not only does Jason Werth go elsewhere, but the Nat first round pick is protected.
And honestly, the odds of him signing with a team that had a protected pick were minimal at best.
by Stephen Schmidt on Dec 5, 2010 6:12 PM EST up reply actions
The Red Sox were the favorites for like the last month
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2011 Mets- Rock bottom: We haven't reached it yet
i dont think the red sox wouldve ever matched this contract though
who would? he could have been a real good fit for boston though
I like Ike, I hate Jerry
So they get a supp pick and the Nats second round pick too right?
by ScottfromPeekskill on Dec 5, 2010 9:51 PM EST up reply actions
I think this is bad
but I don’t think it’s really that bad. Especially when you consider they’re a team trying to build up a reputation with fans/markets,
Comparing Cam Newton to other Heisman candidates is like watching the end of Jurassic Park. Sure the velociraptors had been running around causing trouble all movie, but at the end the T-Rex just comes stomping through the wall and annihilates them.- TIP
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Santonio Holmes: you don't need open field moves when you've got getting away from the cops speed.
and other free agents
Comparing Cam Newton to other Heisman candidates is like watching the end of Jurassic Park. Sure the velociraptors had been running around causing trouble all movie, but at the end the T-Rex just comes stomping through the wall and annihilates them.- TIP
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Santonio Holmes: you don't need open field moves when you've got getting away from the cops speed.
I don't see how this helps their reputation
It only shows they have to significantly overpay FAs to come there
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2011 Mets- Rock bottom: We haven't reached it yet
because it shows they're willing to spend to win?
a lot of fa’s, or guys with NTC’s, aren’t going to want to go to a franchise that’s happy toiling in mediocrity to keep up profit margins.
Comparing Cam Newton to other Heisman candidates is like watching the end of Jurassic Park. Sure the velociraptors had been running around causing trouble all movie, but at the end the T-Rex just comes stomping through the wall and annihilates them.- TIP
2010-2011 New Jersey Nets motto: Try Again. Fail Again. Fail Better.
Santonio Holmes: you don't need open field moves when you've got getting away from the cops speed.
They only have to overpay while they are a last place team
As soon as they start winning more at the MLB level, more free agents will be willing to play in Washington.
"The Mets are gonna be amazing" - Casey Stengel
Considering they have absolutely no pitching outside of Strasburg and maybe Zimmerman
it’s going to be a while before they get out of the basement
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2011 Mets- Rock bottom: We haven't reached it yet
Not as long as you think
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/03/2012-mlb-free-agents.html
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yeah I was going to say they have a ton of young talent
and if they’re committed to spending there are pitching options on the FA. They also have assets for trades.
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by Steve Schreiber on Dec 5, 2010 6:30 PM EST up reply actions
After he drinks his prune juice and takes a nap.
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by MookieTheCat on Dec 5, 2010 10:28 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe, but realistically they will be at they won't be competitive for 3-4 years.
At that point they are handcuffed by an albatross contract that will prevent them from surrounding their current prospects with complimentary players (sounds familiar). They really wouldn’t need that reputation once guys like Strasburg, Harper, and some of their young pitching establish themselves.
by Stephen Schmidt on Dec 5, 2010 6:25 PM EST up reply actions
why won't they realistically be competitive for the next 3-4 years
They’re pythag this year was 72 wins. Let’s say Werth adds 4.7 (and that a whole year of Willingham plus what Werth adds over Dunn makes up for the loss of Dunn). That gets them to about 76 ish, then you have young players like Ian Desmond who will likely improve significantly and a player like Morgan who, will he isn’t likely to repeat his 09 probably won’t be as awful as last year either, lets say that gets them to about 78, only 78 because I imagine other players will see regression. You don’t think that with the prospects they have, plus the money they’re willing to spend the payroll flexibility, they couldn’t buy or trade for at minimum 6-7 more wins? Cause that’s all they would need to realistically be in the hunt for the play-offs. And that’s not even accounting for what a healthy Stephen Strasburg, plus other graduations from the farm system, could add in 2012-2013 and on.
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I think they'll be a bit better this year as well.
The starting pitching is definitely an issue, though, as a bunch of spots are up in the air and can you really expect another 3 WAR season from Livan Hernandez? John Lannan is very meh and came back to earth last year after putting up some deceiving ERAs, Jordan Zimmermann has potential but has just 23 big league starts and is just off TJ surgery, Jason Marquis missed most of the year and Strasburg will likely miss most of the season. There’s a lot of unknowns in that rotation for a team that’s been using prospects almost exclusively in the rotation for the past 2-3 years. None of those guys have stuck, other than Lannan who has barely.
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by Steve Schreiber on Dec 5, 2010 6:51 PM EST up reply actions
That's kind of the same train of thought that led to us signing Jason Bay last year, except we were likely clser to actually being a contender
If everything breaks perfectly for them, they may make a run at the playoffs in a year or two, but likely Werth will be well into his decline by the time they are actually likely to compete in the NL east.
by Stephen Schmidt on Dec 5, 2010 7:33 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah but Werth is a lot better than Bay and likely to age better
And they don’t need everything to break perfectly, they don’t even need it to come close to that. If everything breaks perfectly they’d be a 90+ win team in 2013 (i.e all their young players coming up and performing at a high level), all they need is to be good enough to play meaningful games in September for 2011-2014, for the deal to make sense for them. And there’s really no reason that’s out of reach. Even if they only win 80-84 games just being in play-off/wild card hunts would make sense for them.
Not to mention if that train of thought had led to getting Bay we would have actually gone out and filled other holes instead of getting Bay and then deciding Perez and Maine should make up 2/5ths of the rotation.
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This
That guy is riding the razor’s edge between star and huge bust.
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by MookieTheCat on Dec 5, 2010 10:04 PM EST up reply actions
from fangraphs
How good would he have to be in order to justify that deal from a market rate standpoint? Well, if we estimate his current value as about a +4.5 win player (slight drop-off from his prior three years due to age) and the price for a win at about $5 million this winter, using the same 5% annual inflation assumption/guess that we employed with Adrian Gonzalez yesterday and 0.5 WAR decrease per year for aging, we’d get his value over the next seven years to be $118 million – a little less than what he actually got. In order to get to the $126 million figure, we’d have to bump annual inflation up to almost 8 percent per year.
though I think it’s probably too early to say for certain the price of a win will be as high as 5 million this year so I imagine the overpay will be slightly bigger by February, but I don’t think it really approaches horrible, questionable maybe and risky definitely but I can definitely how the risk was worth it.
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Few questions for you.
It seems to me that this makes a few positive assumptions. It assumes a linear rate of skill descent, which may or may not be accurate. Also, prior to joining the Phillies in 2007 Werth’s fWAR was between 0.4 and 2.1. Even if you discount his first two seasons, he was 1-2 fWAR before his offense spiked once he hit Philly, and he also had some pretty noteworthy home/road splits (an 82 point difference in wOBA last year etc. and about a 9 point swing in UZR, though a surprisingly consistent BABIP). It seems like they might be looking at apples and oranges trying to predict his future performance by reference to stats that seem to be Philly-centric. Of course he did have a 1.306 OPS in Washington last year, but somehow I imagine that had as much to do with Nats pitching and a sample of 8 games as anything else. Thoughts?
Second, does anyone know what the year-by-year breakdown is? If the deal is either relatively constant or back-loaded, it’ll be really hard to move him in the event that he’s not working out or if he regresses faster than expected (which at 36 or 37 is almost to be expected).
I guess I’m just wary of long-term deals based on just four years of track record that was developed an environment that looks like it might be affect the numbers.
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Oh sorry...Forgot to complete that second para.
Since it’s unlikely that the Nats will be really competitive for let’s say, two years from now (trying to give them the benefit of the doubt), it looks like they will have this deal as an albatross when his WAR matches dollar figures and then dips below (assuming a linear or, even worse, backloaded deal). How do you justify having a guy who, even trusting the predictions, will be below value as the team tries to make a run?
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I LoLed on this one Fx
"Fantasy, reality, science Fiction. Which is which? Who can tell?"
If thats accurate
then have the analysis accounted for the gravitational advantage the nationals as a team would have had with Dunn? I feel like they simply haven’t factored it in…
Holy massive overpay, Batman
So how long before national baseball “writers” once again proclaim the Nationals have surpassed us for fourth place in the division?
by MattT516 on Dec 5, 2010 6:49 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Werth is gone-Ibanez is shot-maybe Brown can 't cut it?
I can dream, can’t I?
I'm thinking the same thing.
Brown just got dropped by his DWL team after 2-29 in 9 games with 8 K’s. I’m really hoping that this continues and that Philly brings in Smilecoeur to split time. That’d be awesome!
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by Steve Schreiber on Dec 5, 2010 7:14 PM EST up reply actions
wrt those quotes...
have I mentioned how much I love Sandy Alderson?
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What a hideous contract.
Werth turns 32 this year. His age and the fact that he was a late bloomer (late bloomers do not age well) means this is one of the worst contracts in baseball. Looking at his comp list does nothing but confirm my suspicions.
Sandy’s quotes are funny, but I would be enraged if I were a Nats fan. They could’ve used the difference between the Werth/Dunn deals to get additional players. This is a signing you make if you think it takes you over the top, not if you think it’s going to take you from 70 to 75 wins. Who knows if Werth is going to be any good by the time the Nats are ready to contend? Too much risk. Not enough upside. Dumb. Dumb. Dumb.
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Are those actual Sandy quotes?
I assumed they are jokes. They are funny in any event.
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Yes. They are indeed real.
I like him more and more every day.
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IMO, they are clearly meant as jokes, althought Sany did actually say them
by Stephen Schmidt on Dec 5, 2010 7:55 PM EST up reply actions
In humor...
There is truth. After reading that I like Sandy more and more. He clearly is going to have a good time with the NY media—but for the right reasons—if he keeps feeding them stuff like that.
It's a triumph of number crunching over the human spirit...aaaaaand, it’s about time. -- Play-by-Play Announcer, The Simpsons.
In Guacamole...
There is avocado. Gotta love that man Alderson.
by ScottfromPeekskill on Dec 5, 2010 9:57 PM EST up reply actions
In fairness,
Jeff Wilpon does not think it’s funny when Sandy puts a “kick me” post it on John Ricco’s ass.
"It’s not just about money, it’s how you spend it."
-- Sandy Alderson
by Ownbey4Mex on Dec 5, 2010 8:14 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
boras being boras .
its simple werth hired boras to get him the cash and he got the loot but c,mon thats worse then beltrans deal years ago hey the guy went for the money like the greedy dirtbag ball player he is good luck to the geico caveman because the nats are 3 to 4 years away from just making the wild card not winning the world series this has bust written all over it lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol………
lohaus #54
terrible post is terrible
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by astromets on Dec 5, 2010 8:12 PM EST up reply actions 7 recs
That was quite a long sentence there.
Perhaps I will call Werth the Geico Caveman from now on.
Or maybe I will just call him “liver neck”.
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by Steve Schreiber on Dec 5, 2010 8:12 PM EST up reply actions
Werth
Werth in his other job
Werth in his other other job
by fxcarden on Dec 5, 2010 8:20 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
band for what speaking the truth no one here can handle and you posers call yourself die hard mets fans stop being little whining cry baby,s and lets all just get along because i,m here to stay. stay thirsty my friends ..
lohaus #54
Interesting fact...
“band for what speaking the truth no one here can handle and you posers call yourself die hard mets fans stop being little whining cry baby,s and lets all just get along because i,m here to stay” is Paul McCartney’s sequel to his hit song “Band on the Run.”
True Story...absolutely true. I'd never make such a thing up.
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by Steve Schreiber on Dec 6, 2010 11:04 PM EST up reply actions
The "Nick Evans Who" of criticism
Never gets old.
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by MookieTheCat on Dec 5, 2010 10:05 PM EST up reply actions
MookieTheCat
I don’t care for your brand of biting sarcasm.
by James Kannengieser on Dec 5, 2010 10:09 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
James Kannengieser
You just don’t understand it.
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by MookieTheCat on Dec 5, 2010 10:20 PM EST up reply actions
MookieTheCat
You are lucky James Kannonlazer does not have a tab key.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 5, 2010 10:59 PM EST up reply actions
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And he can’t do sarcasm font on his computer because it’s not set up to do that.
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by Steve Schreiber on Dec 5, 2010 11:03 PM EST up reply actions
The thing that I don't get is that he said he was running either vista or 7
What kind of computer doesn’t have a tab key, doesn’t indent the comments on this page, but can actually run one of those two OSes?
That computer seems to be somewhat polar in its capabilities.
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by MookieTheCat on Dec 5, 2010 11:28 PM EST up reply actions
Eh
the guy was obviously rather mixed up and it manifested itself in weird agression and abject nonsense. Lohaus is just a racist trolling ass.
by Pack Bringley on Dec 5, 2010 11:52 PM EST up reply actions
Or as he said...
a “happy ass”.
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by Steve Schreiber on Dec 6, 2010 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
The trade for AGon went through. No extension yet.
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So if Sandy is an omni-directional radar, I assume
that would likely make Omar Minaya a broken radar.
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by Steve Schreiber on Dec 5, 2010 8:33 PM EST up reply actions
Simple Explanation...It's been jammed!
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by MookieTheCat on Dec 5, 2010 8:48 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
It's lost the bleeps, the sweeps, and the creeps.
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but but but
that means I should get auto recs for my avatar.
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by NetsMets4Life on Dec 5, 2010 9:36 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
ha, true
rec’d. I’m instituting a one-time only spaceball rec’ing policy, meaning I’ll only rec each spaceball reference one time, so if it’s repeated on another thread I won’t rec it. Hence, I won’t have to rec everything you write out of principle, though I might give your comments an extra spaceball-related bump.
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Charlie Murphy?
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by MookieTheCat on Dec 5, 2010 10:06 PM EST up reply actions
Awesome
Probably took a little longer to develop than most first round picks, but Werth got his payday.
Do I think he’s worth that much? Probably not, but he turned three good to very good seasons into that contract. The years are insanity as well, but that’s a testament to Boras’ negotiating abilities.
Werth's a very good player, certainly.
I don’t think he’s a product of CBP because he hits some absolute moonshots. The bottom line is that the Phillies are really going to miss him in the lineup, especially if Domonic Brown doesn’t figure it out. They’re also way too lefty heavy with Utley, Howard, Ibanez and Brown. With regards to Werth, he was a perfect fit in that Philly lineup and his loss sort of reminds me of when we lost Xavier Nady at the trade deadline in 2006 and then replaced him with Shawn Green. The lineup had great L/R balance and was clicking through that point and then once Nady was dealt and Green came in, it slowed a bit as it became lefty heavy and Green was sadly worse than Nady.
The difference here is that Werth is a much better player than Xavier Nady ever was and Brown should be better than 2006 Shawn Green (if not in 2011 probably beyond). Plus, this being the offseason, they’ll have time now and during the season to bring in a better bat should Brown falter (whereas we had to settle for Green based on the circumstances of it being an August waiver deal).
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by Steve Schreiber on Dec 5, 2010 8:45 PM EST up reply actions
they'll be fine once they outbid Moore for Frenchy
Hey, wait! I'm having one of those things. You know? A headache with pictures?
by KeithsMoustache on Dec 6, 2010 4:27 PM EST up reply actions
How's Boras doing with Vincent Chase?
I don’t have HBO anymore.
It's a triumph of number crunching over the human spirit...aaaaaand, it’s about time. -- Play-by-Play Announcer, The Simpsons.
See above.
Subtract $12 million for Dunn, and add $18 million or so for Werth. Who knows what other things they’ve done or will do, but $65 – $70 million is a good guess for right now.
It's a triumph of number crunching over the human spirit...aaaaaand, it’s about time. -- Play-by-Play Announcer, The Simpsons.
Or go the easier route and
just add 6 million.
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by Steve Schreiber on Dec 5, 2010 9:05 PM EST up reply actions
Combining addends is false hustle.
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by MookieTheCat on Dec 5, 2010 10:07 PM EST up reply actions
wow, they really want to spend money this offseason don't they
we’ll trade Perez and Castillo for cash then!
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by KeithsMoustache on Dec 6, 2010 4:28 PM EST up reply actions
Brewers have traded for Shaun Marcum according to MLBTR
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Hmm...perhaps they deal some of the prospects they get from the Brewers to
the Royals for Greinke? Just a thought, but I think that makes some sense.
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by Steve Schreiber on Dec 5, 2010 9:10 PM EST up reply actions
Pretty sure someone called for him in AAOPs
Guess it was feasible after all.
Well not for the Mets
Supposedly Marcum for Lawrie, who’s a top 25 prospect. The Mets don’t have any of those.
that seems kind of crazy
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What is this I don't even
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
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the half-blood prince killing dumbledore
Comparing Cam Newton to other Heisman candidates is like watching the end of Jurassic Park. Sure the velociraptors had been running around causing trouble all movie, but at the end the T-Rex just comes stomping through the wall and annihilates them.- TIP
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How dare they!!!
Pasting some crappy Harry Potter characters over Doc Brown and the Libyan terrorist’s faces! This is blasphemy if I ever saw it!
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by Steve Schreiber on Dec 5, 2010 9:53 PM EST up reply actions
This
Next they will make some stupid spell like Fluxcapacitorosis!
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by MookieTheCat on Dec 5, 2010 10:08 PM EST up reply actions
But with a machine gun!
Why wasn’t that part in the movie?
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BLASPHEMY
Comparing Cam Newton to other Heisman candidates is like watching the end of Jurassic Park. Sure the velociraptors had been running around causing trouble all movie, but at the end the T-Rex just comes stomping through the wall and annihilates them.- TIP
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Aren't the movies themselves blasphemy?
by FrancoTAU on Dec 5, 2010 10:15 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Oh snap.
Well done.
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by MookieTheCat on Dec 5, 2010 10:21 PM EST up reply actions
I guess our GM wants to do the shit talking to our rivals.
So that’s why they didn’t hire Backman. Funny stuff though. I hope the Nats sign Pavano to a 5 year deal now.
How awesome is it that we're not the organization signing players to the retarded deals!?!?
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 5, 2010 11:00 PM EST reply actions
I really don't quite know what to do with myself
Another division team falling for a Boras hustle, my GM making witty comments…
But the team still sucks... Strasburg, Storen, Zimmerman, Harper and now Werth, instead of Dunn.
BUT WHY
There is this other team that had Wright, Reyes, and Beltran
And they still sucked. WHY???
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